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kjaglal76v2 wrote:Kidnappings flourish under the PNM
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hustla_ambition101 wrote:mrtrini45 wrote:
Allan Karim is that you? Have you disclosed who paid for your surgery yet
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:I must say the PP does propaganda better than the PNM. Say something provocative over and over and people will begin to believe you even if it's false or meaningless.
I am still waiting on their 90 day crime plan.
UML wrote:UML wrote:Help Us Bring Hangman Back
As the country grapples with a murderous start to 2015, Government is seeking to bring back the hangman by once again returning the death penalty legislation to Parliament. There have been 16 murders in the country in the past ten days. In February 2011, the controversial “Hanging Bill” failed to secure a majority vote in the House of Representatives as the Opposition raised concerns over provisions in the legislation. The bill was defeated as 29 Government members voted for the bill and 11 members of the Opposition People’s National Movement (PNM) voted against. it. As the People’s Partnership’s tenure of office comes to an end this year, the ruling party intends to once again make another effort to ensure the death penalty is carried out in the country. Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar had signalled last year her Government will again try to work with the Opposition to make this a reality, given the high murder toll. At the Parliament sitting last Friday, at Tower D, International Waterfront Centre, Port of Spain, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan handed Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley a letter, requesting the PNM make proposals to ensure the Constitution (Amendment) (Capital Offences) Bill, 2015 is passed this year. Ramlogan stated in his letter the intention of this bill is to allow the State to carry out the sentence of death imposed by the courts on convicted murderers, regardless of how long they take to exhaust the various appellate procedures. Ramlogan pointed out that in 2011 when the bill was brought to Par- liament, the Opposition supported the death penalty as the mandatory sentence for murder. He further noted Opposition MP Marlene McDonald indicated the Opposition was in agreement that the death penalty is good law and had stated, “The position of the PNM is that we support the law of the land, and the law of the land is in Section IV of the Offences Against the Person Act, which says, ‘Every person convicted of murder shall suffer death’.” He reminded that the Opposi‐tion voted against the Constitution (Amend‐ment) (Capital Offences) Bill, 2011 although the Government made a major concession by removing the categorisation of murders. “Again, the Government would be happy to remove the categorisation of murders if the Opposition finds this objectionable, and would support the measure,’’ stated Ram‐logan. He stated subsequent to the last debate, he wrote on two occasions to solicit legislative proposals from the Opposition that supports the execution of convicted murderers who are sentenced to death. “To date, I have not received any response from your Office, and I therefore renew my invitation from you to either indicate your support for the Constitution (Amendment) (Capital Offences) Bill, 2015 or provide a counter-proposal for the Government’s consideration,’’ stated Ramlogan. “Having regard to the PNM’s public declaration of support for the implementation of the death penalty, I write to ask whether the Opposition would be minded to support the Gov‐ernment’s proposed bill to allow the sentence of death to be carried out,” he added. “You would no doubt agree that the role of the Opposition is not limited to opposing but includes proposing. It is untenable and unacceptable that a Parliament comprising elected members of Parliament from parties that support the death penalty are unable to pass a simple amendment for its implementation in the criminal justice system of Trinidad and Tobago,’’ stated Ramlogan. He pointed out in Jamaica, the Opposition joined hands with the Government in 2011 to pass similar legislation and amend its consti‐tution, section 13 (8), as follows: 13 (8) The execution of a sentence of death imposed after the commence- ment of the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms (Constitutional Amendment) Act, 2011 on any person for an offence against the law of Jamaica shall not be held to be inconsistent with, or in contravention of, this section by reason of— (a) the length of time which elap‐ses between the date on which the sentence is imposed and the date on which the sentence is executed (b) the physical conditions or arrangements under which such person is detained pending the exe‐cution of the sentence, by virtue of any law or practice in force immediately before the commencement of the Charter of Funda‐mental Rights and Freedoms (Constitutional Amendment) Act, 2011. Ramlogan stated Parliament had an inherent duty to ensure the rule of law was upheld and that laws are not passed in vain. He added the death penalty was part of the laws of Trinidad and Tobago, and Parliament had a duty to respond to the legal manoeuvres by convicted murders that frustrate and defeat the carrying out of a sentence of death imposed by a court after trial before a judge and jury. “Save and except for the catego-risation of murders (which we are prepared to remove), the Government’s bill is similar to the Jamaican legislation,” he said.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Hel ... lmob=y&c=n
The summary of the PNM....Opposition without recommendations!!!
Rowley's response
Rowley: Govt playing politics with crime
Government is playing politics with crime by seeking to return the controversial “Hanging Bill” in an election year, says Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
He was responding to questions from the Sunday Express about a letter that was sent to him by Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, asking the Opposition to state proposals that would allow the passage of legislation to ensure the death penalty is carried out. “Capital punishment is the law of the land, as we speak now, it is the written law. The punishment for murder is death by hanging, that is the existing law; it is the same law under which nine people were hanged one weekend,’’ said Rowley. Rowley said the final court of appeal in this country had ruled this country’s death penalty law was proper law. He said the Privy Council had indicated there were certain conditions that had to be carried out before the death penalty was carried out in this country. “The Privy Council had ruled in response to appeals that the death penalty law was proper law; it had laid down conditions and the State had to meet those conditions,” said Rowley. He said the State had not been meeting those conditions. The first condition was to catch the criminals, Rowley said. He said the State also had to win the appeals, and all this must be done within a five-year period. “Every time there is an election or an upsurge in crime, the Government looks to bring the “Hanging Bill” to the Parliament and play politics with crime,’’ said Rowley. Government, he said, should try to meet the conditions of the Privy Council or make the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) the final court of appeal. “On the verge of a general election, the Attorney General is talking about hanging people. How will that be received by the Privy Council and lawyers who will argue this is an election ploy?’’ said Rowley. “The Opposition is not prepared to play politics with crime,’’ said Rowley. He asked since when the United Na‐tional Congress (UNC) wanted proposals from the People’s National Movement (PNM) as it never sought its adviceon Section 34 and the run-off legislation. Rowley said PNM lawyers will look at the bill and he will officially respond to the AG’s letter.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Row ... lmob=y&c=n
Crime pays for the PNM....more criminals mean more pnm voters
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:Can't hang a person if you can't find the murderers. What's the point of even talking about hanging until police actually capture the killers?
UML wrote:PNM supports death penalty
....but Rowley upset as PP uses it as political tool
Renuka Singh
Published:
Sunday, January 11, 2015
People’s National Movement (PNM) Leader Dr Keith Rowley is slamming the Government for using the controversial death penalty as an “election tool.” With 16 murders in just ten days, T&T had a bloody beginning to the new year and by Friday, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan wrote to Rowley asking him to either support the Constitutional (Amendment) (Capital Offences) Bill or propose changes to the bill that would foster the PNM’s support.
“As you are aware, the Government proposes to reintroduce the Constitutional (Amendment) (Capital Offences) Bill 2015 to operationalise the death penalty in Trinidad and Tobago,” Ramlogan stated in the letter. This is Ramlogan’s third attempt to pin down the PNM on the death penalty issue. But, in an interview with the Sunday Guardian yesterday, Rowley accused the Government of resurrecting the death penalty for the sake of the upcoming general election and not as a crime fighting initiative.
“It is quite annoying that with a few weeks to go before elections, they choose to play games with the death penalty. ” Rowley said. “The death penalty is already the law and the PNM supports it, we are not going to be distracted by foolish political games,” Rowley said. Rowley said instead of using the current crime situation to score political points, the Government should ensure that T&T met guidelines and procedures laid out by the Privy Council to use the death penalty.
“I know they (Government) want to say that the Opposition is not in support of the death penalty, and that is a lie,” he said. He said in 1999 former United National Congress (UNC) attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj utilised that existing law to execute nine men, including known drug lord, Nankisson ‘Dole Chadee’ Boodram. Boodram was the first person to be hanged in T&T after more than 20 years. “The identical law is what is there today,” Rowley said.
“What the Government needs to do is improve the administration so that they can improve detection, improve conviction instead of scoring political points by lying to the population and saying the PNM is against the death penalty,” he said. Rowley accused the Government of trying to use the PNM as the “scapegoats” and “part of their stupid agenda” as they are unable to deal with the spiralling crime situation.
He also said that the Government was seeking to amend the Constitution instead of complying with the Privy Council conditions. “And we know what they are because they have been tested and retested through trials and retrials,” he said. Rowley said the death penalty on its own was useless unless the police detection rate improved. “Imagine, out of 100 murders, 87 go undetected. We must be able to identify criminals,” he said.
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Anand: Opposition leader playing smart with foolishness
In a subsequent interview, Ramlogan challenged Rowley to a public debate on the death penalty issue. Ramlogan yesterday said Rowley was “deliberately playing smart with foolishness” by mixing up the detection rate with the death penalty issue. “Rowley is confused if he thinks the death penalty has anything to do with the detection rate,” Ramlogan said.
“There are currently 500 persons charged with murder and awaiting trial in the system right now, those are 500 persons caught and waiting,” Ramlogan said. He challenged Rowley to “join hands” with the Government when the ongoing investigations, trials and convictions are determined by the courts.
“The question is when a convict is caught and prosecuted, would the PNM join hands with the Government to amend the law?” Ramlogan said.He said Rowley claims to support the death penalty but has consistently voted against it in the past.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-01- ... th-penalty
so the PNM supports the death penalty but votes AGAINST it?!!!
hustla_ambition101 wrote:Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:Can't hang a person if you can't find the murderers. What's the point of even talking about hanging until police actually capture the killers?
Imagine some sitting Ministers used to be the champions of the cause and defend these same criminals. Their lawyers friends defending them now and their magistrate friends giving bail.....but its much easier to blame pnm
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