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bluefete wrote:Unfortunately, anti-vaxxers might latch on to this:
Double-jabbed people carry same levels of Covid as unvaccinated
Sarah Knapton
Wed, August 18, 2021, 10:01 AM
Fully vaccinated people carry the same amount of Covid as the unvaccinated, scientists have found in a new study that calls into question the effectiveness of vaccine passports and changes to the NHS app.
Experts had hoped two doses of vaccine would significantly reduce the viral load carried by people who became infected, lowering the risk of them passing on Covid.
Previous studies showed that vaccinated people who contracted the alpha variant had far lower viral loads than the unvaccinated, while Boris Johnson backed vaccine passports in the hope they would lower transmission in hotspot venues such as nightclubs.
The NHS Covid app was also changed so double-jabbed people no longer need to self-isolate if pinged.
However, the new study by the University of Oxford shows that the delta variant wipes out the viral load reduction.
Instead, even the fully jabbed carry high levels of the virus if they become infected and are also more likely to be symptomatic than vaccinated people who pick up an alpha infection.
The results suggest those who are fully jabbed could be as capable of passing on Covid as the unvaccinated, although they are less likely to pick up the virus in the first place.
Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at Oxford, and chief investigator and academic lead for the Covid-19 Infection Survey, said: "With alpha, people with two doses had really low levels of virus.
"When delta started to come in, the first thing that happened was that the virus values went up and now we really don't see any difference in the amount of virus people get if they get infected after vaccination.
"Two doses are still protective. You are still less likely to get infected, but if you do you will have similar levels of virus as someone who hasn't been vaccinated at all."
The researchers said they were not sure whether high viral loads would translate into the same levels of transmission for vaccinated and unvaccinated people because the fully jabbed may clear the virus quicker and so be infectious for a shorter period of time.
However, Prof Walker added: "The fact that they can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren't yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the delta variant as we hoped.
"It comes back to this concept of herd immunity, and the hope that the unvaccinated could be protected if we could vaccinate enough people. But I suspect the higher levels of the virus in vaccinated people are consistent with the fact that unvaccinated people are still going to be at high risk."
People who are double jabbed no longer need to be quarantined if they are pinged by the Covid app, but the new results suggest there could still be a risk even among the fully vaccinated.
Dr Koen Pouwels, senior researcher at Oxford University's Nuffield Department of Population Health, said: "Whilst vaccinations reduce the chance of getting Covid-19, they do not eliminate it.
"More importantly, our data shows the potential for vaccinated individuals to still pass Covid-19 onto others and the importance of testing and self-isolation to reduce transmission risk."
Despite the findings, the study showed the jabs are still helpful in preventing an infection in the first place, which will have a role in stopping transmission. Two doses of the AstraZeneca jab lowered the rate of a new infection by 67 per cent and Pfizer by 82 per cent.
The research, not yet peer-reviewed, also showed that while two doses of the Pfizer jab are initially more effective, four to five months after the second dose it is the same as the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The team studied 384,543 people who picked up an infection between December and May, when the alpha variant was dominant, before comparing them to 358,983 people infected between May and August, when delta had taken over.
Prof Walker said that even if the jabs did not stop transmission, they were likely to prevent hospitalisation and death.
"There are lots of reasons why the vaccines may be very good at reducing the consequences of having the virus," she added. "You may well still have a milder infection and might not end up getting hospitalised.
"While the results are important, they aren't everything and it is really important to remember the vaccines are super-effective at preventing hospitalisations."
Prof Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said: "We now know that vaccination will not stop infection and transmission, although they do reduce the risk.
"The main value of immunisation is in reducing the risk of severe disease and death. The evidence available shows that protection lasts longer against severe disease than against mild disease, and all current UK vaccines are very good at this, even against the delta variant. To me, that is the most important value of immunisations."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/double-jabbe ... 26657.html
bluefete wrote:And some anti-vaxxxers really prefer to dead: Hover11 - This is what you prefer, right? This is a tough read
A mom who died of covid days after her husband makes one final wish: 'Make sure my kids get vaccinated'
Andrea Salcedo, (c) 2021, The Washington Post
Wed, August 18, 2021, 2:54 PM
MOTHER AND FATHER DEAD FROM COVID
A few weeks ago, Lydia Rodriguez thought her body was strong enough to fight the coronavirus without the vaccine.
But after a week-long church camp, she and other members of her family tested positive for the coronavirus. By the time Rodriguez, 42, changed her mind and asked for the shot, it was too late, her doctor said. A ventilator awaited her, her cousin Dottie Jones told The Washington Post.
Out of options, the Galveston, Texas, mother of four, asked her family to make a promise: "Please make sure my kids get vaccinated," Rodriguez, a piano teacher, told her sister during their last phone call.
Rodriguez died Monday - two weeks after her husband, Lawrence Rodriguez, 49, also died after coronavirus complications. The couple fought the virus from hospital beds just a few feet from one another in a Texas intensive care unit, Jones said.
Lydia and Lawrence Rodriguez, who were married for 21 years, were among the tens of millions of Americans who have not yet received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine, which is available free to anyone over the age of 12. Health officials have stressed that the vaccine significantly lowers one's chance of becoming severely ill or dying of the virus. The now-orphaned children of the Rodriguez family join the millions tragically affected by the sometimes deadly illness.
The case of the Rodriguez family echoes that of other unvaccinated patients who have begged their doctors for vaccine doses before being intubated.
"Lydia has never really believed in vaccines," Jones, 55, told The Post. "She believed that she could handle everything on her own, that you didn't really need medicine."
A neonatal nurse, Jones was familiar with the serious effects covid-19 had on mothers and babies she treated at the Sugarland, Texas, hospital where she worked. She shared with Rodriguez how she had watched patient after patient be connected to a ventilator for weeks without much improvement.
Jones could have gone on and on. But her cousin's silence spoke for itself, she said.
"I knew she would never get vaccinated," Jones told The Post. "I was very concerned."
Rodriguez's husband, who shared her anti-vaccine beliefs, also declined to get the shot. Three of their four children are eligible but have not yet received the vaccine, Jones said.
In early July, days after Rodriguez and the children returned from a Christian church camp, Jones's worst fears became true. One by one, each member of the family - including Rodriguez's husband, who did not attend camp because of work - tested positive for the coronavirus.
The family didn't tell anyone they were sick until Rodriguez's husband drove her to the hospital on July 12 after she began experiencing shortness of breath. Rodriguez was admitted to the ICU, and her husband was admitted to another ward, Jones said.
By then, the rest of the family stepped in to bring groceries and medicine to the couple's four children, who were all infected and quarantining at home. The youngest child was the only one to experience mild symptoms, Jones said. The rest were asymptomatic.
At one point, Lawrence Rodriguez's condition appeared to be improving, but a couple of days after he was admitted, he was rushed to the ICU. He requested a coronavirus vaccine shortly before being put on a ventilator, Jones said, but it was also too late for him. He died Aug. 2.
By then, Lydia Rodriguez was fully dependent on an oxygen mask that prevented her from talking to her children, who called to check in and sing Christian hymns to lift her spirits.
"We are praying for you and taking care of the kids," Jones recounted telling her cousin during her last days. Hospital staff called the family on Aug. 16 to report that Rodriguez had died.
The family has relayed her last wishes about the vaccine to the couple's 18-year-old twins, Jones said. The plan is to schedule an appointment for the 11-year-old daughter as soon as she qualifies, and the couple's 16-year-old son is expected to get the shot soon.
The family has created an online fundraiser to help the Rodriguez children while the courts figure out who will become the guardian of the minors.
Wednesday is expected to be a difficult day for the four siblings, Jones said. Their mom would have turned 43.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mom-died-cov ... 17009.html
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EUSTACE Nancis, National Lottery Control Board (NLCB) chairman, said he knows nothing of a Vax and Win promotion by the NLCB which promised that 100 newly-vaccinated individuals will be chosen by draw to each win a $5,000 prize, but promised to look into it.
The promotion, in paid newspaper adverts on Wednesday and on the NLCB Facebook page, also promised a grand prize of $50,000.
It said the promotion was open to any adult permanent resident of Trinidad and Tobago who has a TT vaccination card and receives a double or single dose of a covid19 vaccine within the promotion period of August 18-September 14.
However, Nancis told Newsday he was not aware of the promotion.
"You will ask the director (Camille Forde) about that.
"I'm not aware of that (or any) approval by the board.
"You know I would be the first to comment. I may get some information and call you back."
Newsday was unable to contact Forde to ask her expectations of the promotion.
Dizzy28 wrote:NLCB's Chairman said he knows nothing of that promotionEUSTACE Nancis, National Lottery Control Board (NLCB) chairman, said he knows nothing of a Vax and Win promotion by the NLCB which promised that 100 newly-vaccinated individuals will be chosen by draw to each win a $5,000 prize, but promised to look into it.
The promotion, in paid newspaper adverts on Wednesday and on the NLCB Facebook page, also promised a grand prize of $50,000.
It said the promotion was open to any adult permanent resident of Trinidad and Tobago who has a TT vaccination card and receives a double or single dose of a covid19 vaccine within the promotion period of August 18-September 14.
However, Nancis told Newsday he was not aware of the promotion.
"You will ask the director (Camille Forde) about that.
"I'm not aware of that (or any) approval by the board.
"You know I would be the first to comment. I may get some information and call you back."
Newsday was unable to contact Forde to ask her expectations of the promotion.
https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/18/nancis ... promotion/
bluefete wrote:Unfortunately, anti-vaxxers might latch on to this:
Double-jabbed people carry same levels of Covid as unvaccinated
Sarah Knapton
Wed, August 18, 2021, 10:01 AM
Fully vaccinated people carry the same amount of Covid as the unvaccinated, scientists have found in a new study that calls into question the effectiveness of vaccine passports and changes to the NHS app.
Experts had hoped two doses of vaccine would significantly reduce the viral load carried by people who became infected, lowering the risk of them passing on Covid.
Previous studies showed that vaccinated people who contracted the alpha variant had far lower viral loads than the unvaccinated, while Boris Johnson backed vaccine passports in the hope they would lower transmission in hotspot venues such as nightclubs.
The NHS Covid app was also changed so double-jabbed people no longer need to self-isolate if pinged.
However, the new study by the University of Oxford shows that the delta variant wipes out the viral load reduction.
Instead, even the fully jabbed carry high levels of the virus if they become infected and are also more likely to be symptomatic than vaccinated people who pick up an alpha infection.
The results suggest those who are fully jabbed could be as capable of passing on Covid as the unvaccinated, although they are less likely to pick up the virus in the first place.
Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at Oxford, and chief investigator and academic lead for the Covid-19 Infection Survey, said: "With alpha, people with two doses had really low levels of virus.
"When delta started to come in, the first thing that happened was that the virus values went up and now we really don't see any difference in the amount of virus people get if they get infected after vaccination.
"Two doses are still protective. You are still less likely to get infected, but if you do you will have similar levels of virus as someone who hasn't been vaccinated at all."
The researchers said they were not sure whether high viral loads would translate into the same levels of transmission for vaccinated and unvaccinated people because the fully jabbed may clear the virus quicker and so be infectious for a shorter period of time.
However, Prof Walker added: "The fact that they can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren't yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the delta variant as we hoped.
"It comes back to this concept of herd immunity, and the hope that the unvaccinated could be protected if we could vaccinate enough people. But I suspect the higher levels of the virus in vaccinated people are consistent with the fact that unvaccinated people are still going to be at high risk."
People who are double jabbed no longer need to be quarantined if they are pinged by the Covid app, but the new results suggest there could still be a risk even among the fully vaccinated.
Dr Koen Pouwels, senior researcher at Oxford University's Nuffield Department of Population Health, said: "Whilst vaccinations reduce the chance of getting Covid-19, they do not eliminate it.
"More importantly, our data shows the potential for vaccinated individuals to still pass Covid-19 onto others and the importance of testing and self-isolation to reduce transmission risk."
Despite the findings, the study showed the jabs are still helpful in preventing an infection in the first place, which will have a role in stopping transmission. Two doses of the AstraZeneca jab lowered the rate of a new infection by 67 per cent and Pfizer by 82 per cent.
The research, not yet peer-reviewed, also showed that while two doses of the Pfizer jab are initially more effective, four to five months after the second dose it is the same as the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The team studied 384,543 people who picked up an infection between December and May, when the alpha variant was dominant, before comparing them to 358,983 people infected between May and August, when delta had taken over.
Prof Walker said that even if the jabs did not stop transmission, they were likely to prevent hospitalisation and death.
"There are lots of reasons why the vaccines may be very good at reducing the consequences of having the virus," she added. "You may well still have a milder infection and might not end up getting hospitalised.
"While the results are important, they aren't everything and it is really important to remember the vaccines are super-effective at preventing hospitalisations."
Prof Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said: "We now know that vaccination will not stop infection and transmission, although they do reduce the risk.
"The main value of immunisation is in reducing the risk of severe disease and death. The evidence available shows that protection lasts longer against severe disease than against mild disease, and all current UK vaccines are very good at this, even against the delta variant. To me, that is the most important value of immunisations."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/double-jabbe ... 26657.html
bluefete wrote:And some anti-vaxxxers really prefer to dead: Hover11 - This is what you prefer, right? This is a tough read
A mom who died of covid days after her husband makes one final wish: 'Make sure my kids get vaccinated'
Andrea Salcedo, (c) 2021, The Washington Post
Wed, August 18, 2021, 2:54 PM
MOTHER AND FATHER DEAD FROM COVID
A few weeks ago, Lydia Rodriguez thought her body was strong enough to fight the coronavirus without the vaccine.
But after a week-long church camp, she and other members of her family tested positive for the coronavirus. By the time Rodriguez, 42, changed her mind and asked for the shot, it was too late, her doctor said. A ventilator awaited her, her cousin Dottie Jones told The Washington Post.
Out of options, the Galveston, Texas, mother of four, asked her family to make a promise: "Please make sure my kids get vaccinated," Rodriguez, a piano teacher, told her sister during their last phone call.
Rodriguez died Monday - two weeks after her husband, Lawrence Rodriguez, 49, also died after coronavirus complications. The couple fought the virus from hospital beds just a few feet from one another in a Texas intensive care unit, Jones said.
Lydia and Lawrence Rodriguez, who were married for 21 years, were among the tens of millions of Americans who have not yet received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine, which is available free to anyone over the age of 12. Health officials have stressed that the vaccine significantly lowers one's chance of becoming severely ill or dying of the virus. The now-orphaned children of the Rodriguez family join the millions tragically affected by the sometimes deadly illness.
The case of the Rodriguez family echoes that of other unvaccinated patients who have begged their doctors for vaccine doses before being intubated.
"Lydia has never really believed in vaccines," Jones, 55, told The Post. "She believed that she could handle everything on her own, that you didn't really need medicine."
A neonatal nurse, Jones was familiar with the serious effects covid-19 had on mothers and babies she treated at the Sugarland, Texas, hospital where she worked. She shared with Rodriguez how she had watched patient after patient be connected to a ventilator for weeks without much improvement.
Jones could have gone on and on. But her cousin's silence spoke for itself, she said.
"I knew she would never get vaccinated," Jones told The Post. "I was very concerned."
Rodriguez's husband, who shared her anti-vaccine beliefs, also declined to get the shot. Three of their four children are eligible but have not yet received the vaccine, Jones said.
In early July, days after Rodriguez and the children returned from a Christian church camp, Jones's worst fears became true. One by one, each member of the family - including Rodriguez's husband, who did not attend camp because of work - tested positive for the coronavirus.
The family didn't tell anyone they were sick until Rodriguez's husband drove her to the hospital on July 12 after she began experiencing shortness of breath. Rodriguez was admitted to the ICU, and her husband was admitted to another ward, Jones said.
By then, the rest of the family stepped in to bring groceries and medicine to the couple's four children, who were all infected and quarantining at home. The youngest child was the only one to experience mild symptoms, Jones said. The rest were asymptomatic.
At one point, Lawrence Rodriguez's condition appeared to be improving, but a couple of days after he was admitted, he was rushed to the ICU. He requested a coronavirus vaccine shortly before being put on a ventilator, Jones said, but it was also too late for him. He died Aug. 2.
By then, Lydia Rodriguez was fully dependent on an oxygen mask that prevented her from talking to her children, who called to check in and sing Christian hymns to lift her spirits.
"We are praying for you and taking care of the kids," Jones recounted telling her cousin during her last days. Hospital staff called the family on Aug. 16 to report that Rodriguez had died.
The family has relayed her last wishes about the vaccine to the couple's 18-year-old twins, Jones said. The plan is to schedule an appointment for the 11-year-old daughter as soon as she qualifies, and the couple's 16-year-old son is expected to get the shot soon.
The family has created an online fundraiser to help the Rodriguez children while the courts figure out who will become the guardian of the minors.
Wednesday is expected to be a difficult day for the four siblings, Jones said. Their mom would have turned 43.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mom-died-cov ... 17009.html
bluefete wrote:https://tekdeeps.com/coronavirus-everyone-free-in-denmark-from-october-1st/
Coronavirus, everyone free in Denmark from October 1st
August 10, 2021
Discos open from September, via the mandatory buffer for restaurants, masks in the rubbish bin from October. In sharp contrast to the general situation in Europe, Denmark is preparing to revoke all anti-Covid 19 containment measures from October 1st. With a taste of the ‘free all’ already in September, when there will be a further relaxation of the restrictions. in particular for restaurants and night clubs.
Steps made possible by the consistent and constant decline in infections, essentially attributed to the high rates of vaccinated in the Scandinavian country and to the decision of Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen to also immunize children between the ages of 12 and 15, in addition to pregnant women, on a voluntary basis. The Coronapass app also worked well, certifying vaccination, a recent negative tampon or the healing occurred and which for months has been mandatory for restaurants, museums, hairdressers, beauty salons.
The Danish government actually started lifting the coronavirus restrictions as early as spring. The children have returned to school, green light for outdoor catering while in most European countries there was a swing between soft lockdowns, curfews, targeted closures. In August, despite a still relatively high number of infections, other restrictions were lifted, such as the maximum number of passengers for public transport. The anti-Covid tests (two a week to access schools in the presence) have passed to ‘recommendation’ from obligation.
And from 1 September the restrictions for nightlife and the obligation to have a vaccination pass or negative test to go to restaurants and cultural events will be lifted. From 1 October, the Coronapass will also be archived.
High rate of vaccinations
Denmark is sparsely populated and besides the capital Copenhagen has only a few large cities: Odense, Aarhus and Aalborg. This helped in general. Overall, at the beginning of August, the toll of infections was below the threshold of 320 thousand cases, with just over 2,500 deaths (out of a population of less than 6 million inhabitants).
But the key factor seems to be the high rate of vaccinations: according to data reported by The Local, by the end of July almost 60 percent of Danes over 16 were fully vaccinated. The government has decided that teenagers aged 12 to 15 can now also be vaccinated, and over 30% of this age group have already registered for the first dose. Pregnant and breastfeeding women can also be vaccinated on request.
In reality, the government does not rule out a fourth wave, but thinks it can face it without particular limitations and difficulties. Also according to «The Local», over 3,700 fully vaccinated Danes are counted as new infections, or about 0.12 percent of fully vaccinated people. 17,532 people were also infected who received the first dose only, which corresponds to 10.8 percent of all coronavirus infections.
Source: RSS DiariodelWeb.it Esteri by http://www.diariodelweb.it.
Gonna be a while... Year/yearsbluefete wrote:I long for the day when we will not have a single death from Covid.
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