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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby S_2NR » October 27th, 2011, 4:06 pm

mitch what theme is that?
looks like ICS

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Postby Swisha » October 27th, 2011, 4:26 pm

yeah that's a widget locker lock screen with the new ICS theme

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby nemisis » October 27th, 2011, 10:01 pm

Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
Michael DeGusta must be a madman, because he's gone and documented the sad, sad history of neglected Android phones on his blog, theunderstatement. Then he went and made a chart to help visualize it all. Once you are able to take it all in, you can't help but be full of sad...

The announcement that Nexus One users won't be getting upgraded to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich led some to justifiably question Google's support of their devices. I look at it a little differently: Nexus One owners are lucky. I've been researching the history of OS updates on Android phones and Nexus One users have fared much, much better than most Android buyers.

I went back and found every Android phone shipped in the United States(1) up through the middle of last year. I then tracked down every update that was released for each device - be it a major OS upgrade or a minor support patch - as well as prices and release & discontinuation dates. I compared these dates & versions to the currently shipping version of Android at the time. The resulting picture isn't pretty - well, not for Android users:

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Other than the original G1 and MyTouch, virtually all of the millions of phones represented by this chart are still under contract today. If you thought that entitled you to some support, think again:

• 7 of the 18 Android phones never ran a current version of the OS.
• 12 of 18 only ran a current version of the OS for a matter of weeks or less.
• 10 of 18 were at least two major versions behind well within their two year contract period.
• 11 of 18 stopped getting any support updates less than a year after release.
• 13 of 18 stopped getting any support updates before they even stopped selling the device or very shortly thereafter.
• 15 of 18 don't run Gingerbread, which shipped in December 2010.
In a few weeks, when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, every device on here will be another major version behind.
• At least 16 of 18 will almost certainly never get Ice Cream Sandwich.
Also worth noting that each bar in the chart starts from the first day of release - so it only gets worse for people who bought their phone late in its sales period.

Why Is This So Bad?

This may be stating the obvious but there are at least three major reasons.

Consumers Get Screwed
Ever since the iPhone turned every smartphone into a blank slate, the value of a phone is largely derived from the software it can run and how well the phone can run it. When you're making a 2 year commitment to a device, it'd be nice to have some way to tell if the software was going to be remotely current in a year or, heck, even a month. Turns out that's nearly impossible - here are two examples:

The Samsung Behold II on T-Mobile was the most expensive Android phone ever and Samsung promoted that it would get a major update to Eclair at least. But at launch the phone was already two major versions behind - and then Samsung decided not to do the update after all, and it fell three major OS versions behind. Every one ever sold is still under contract today.

The Motorola Devour on Verizon launched with a Megan Fox Super Bowl ad, while reviews said it was "built to last and it delivers on features." As it turned out, the Devour shipped with an OS that was already outdated. Before the next Super Bowl came around, it was three major versions behind. Every one ever sold is still under contract until sometime next year.

Developers Are Constrained
Besides the obvious platform fragmentation problems, consider this comparison: iOS developers, like Instapaper's Marco Arment, waited patiently until just this month to raise their apps' minimum requirement to the 11 month old iOS 4.2.1. They can do so knowing that it's been well over 3 years since anyone bought an iPhone that couldn't run that OS. If developers apply that same standard to Android, it will be at least 2015 before they can start requiring 2010's Gingerbread OS. That's because every US carrier is still selling - even just now introducing(2) - smartphones that will almost certainly never run Gingerbread and beyond. Further, those are phones still selling for actual upfront money - I'm not even counting the generally even more outdated & presumably much more popular free phones.

It seems this is one area the Android/Windows comparison holds up: most app developers will end up targeting an ancient version of the OS in order to maximize market reach.

Security Risks Loom
In the chart, the dashed line in the middle of each bar indicates how long that phone was getting any kind of support updates - not just major OS upgrades. The significant majority of models have received very limited support after sales were discontinued. If a security or privacy problem popped up in old versions of Android or its associated apps (i.e. the browser), it's hard to imagine that all of these no-longer-supported phones would be updated. This is only less likely as the number of phones that manufacturers would have to go back and deal with increases: Motorola, Samsung, and HTC all have at least 20 models each in the field already, each with a range of carriers that seemingly have to be dealt with individually.

Why Don't Android Phones Get Updated?

That's a very good question. Obviously a big part of the problem is that Android has to go from Google to the phone manufacturers to the carriers to the devices, whereas iOS just goes from Apple directly to devices. The hacker community (e.g. CyanogenMod, et cetera) has frequently managed to get these phones to run the newer operating systems, so it isn't a hardware issue.

It appears to be a widely held viewpoint(3) that there's no incentive for smartphone manufacturers to update the OS: because manufacturers don't make any money after the hardware sale, they want you to buy another phone as soon as possible. If that's really the case, the phone manufacturers are spectacularly dumb: ignoring the 2 year contract cycle & abandoning your users isn't going to engender much loyalty when they do buy a new phone. Further, it's been fairly well established that Apple also really only makes money from hardware sales, and yet their long term update support is excellent (see chart).

In other words, Apple's way of getting you to buy a new phone is to make you really happy with your current one, whereas apparently Android phone makers think they can get you to buy a new phone by making you really unhappy with your current one. Then again, all of this may be ascribing motives and intent where none exist - it's entirely possible that the root cause of the problem is just flat-out bad management (and/or the aforementioned spectacular dumbness).

A Price Observation

All of the even slightly cheaper phones are much worse than the iPhone when it comes to OS support, but it's interesting to note that most of the phones on this list were actually not cheaper than the iPhone when they were released. Unlike the iPhone however, the "full-priced" phones are frequently discounted in subsequent months. So the "low cost" phones that fueled Android's generally accepted price advantage in this period were basically either (a) cheaper from the outset, and ergo likely outdated & terribly supported or (b) purchased later in the phone's lifecycle, and ergo likely outdated & terribly supported.

Also, at any price point you'd better love your rebates. If you're financially constrained enough to be driven by upfront price, you can't be that excited about plunking down another $100 cash and waiting weeks or more to get it back. And sometimes all you're getting back is a "$100 Promotion Card" for your chosen provider. Needless to say, the iPhone has never had a rebate.

Along similar lines, a very small but perhaps telling point: the price of every single Android phone I looked at ended with 99 cents - something Apple has never done (the iPhone is $199, not $199.99). It's almost like a warning sign: you're buying a platform that will nickel-and-dime you with ads and undeletable bloatware, and it starts with those 99 cents. And that damn rebate form they're hoping you don't send in.

Notes on the chart and data

Why stop at June 2010?
I'm not going to. I do think that having 15 months or so of history gives a good perspective on how a phone has been treated, but it's also just a labor issue - it takes a while to dredge through the various sites to determine the history of each device. I plan to continue on and might also try to publish the underlying table with references. I also acknowledge that it's possible I've missed something along the way.

Android Release Dates
For the major Android version release dates, I used the date at which it was actually available on a normal phone you could get via normal means. I did not use the earlier SDK release date, nor the date at which ROMs, hacks, source, et cetera were available.

Outside the US
Finally, it's worth noting that people outside the US have often had it even worse. For example, the Nexus One didn't go on sale in Europe until 5 months after the US, the Droid/Milestone FroYo update happened over 7 months later there, and the Cliq never got updated at all outside of the US.

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby achillies » October 27th, 2011, 10:32 pm

Cyanogen: "Are there actual Android developers out there who are worried about all the "fragmentation" that the blogs tell them to worry about?"

"Only when I drop my phone from the 27th floor. :lol: "

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby Swisha » October 27th, 2011, 10:35 pm

the fanboys real running scared of Android lately yes, trying all kinda thing :roll:

hey fanboys, how bout being objective for once?


[Infographic] Android Fragmentation Visualized... If You Like Biased Information, That Is

Apparently there are a whole slew of pissed off users because Google decided that the Nexus One will not be getting updated to Ice Cream Sandwich. As a result, an infographic was made to represent the fact that Apple can support its four devices better than manufacturers support their ump-teen Android devices. The infographic compares the all the iPhones of the past three years (so it excludes the 4S) to most Android devices of the same timeframe.

Let's have a look before we continue:

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At first glance, it seems like a well put together graphic with attention to detail, right? For the most part -- yes. But, there are a few device that should've been included in the list, as they came out around the same time: namely, Droid X and Droid 2. I realize that is only two devices, but those two devices are running the newest version of Android and are still being supported. Granted, neither will probably see Android 4.0, but that's not the point. Those are two devices that are not present to represent the we're still getting updates crowd.

Also, throwing the Devour, BackFlip, Cliq XT, and Ally into the mix? Give me a break -- those phones were doomed before they hit shelves. iPhones are flagship devices. If you want to compare apples to apples, then bring out the Android big dogs to play the game, not the Chihuahuas that weren't intended to hold a candle to the competition in the first place. This brings me to my next point...

So what if the lower end devices were never updated to Gingerbread, or even Froyo? That is still what was in the best interest of the end user. From a hardware standpoint, those devices were not capable of handling newer versions of Android, and while that's less than ideal, the manufacturers made the right choice. How many times have you heard an iPhone 3G owner complain about how awful iOS 4 is on their device? I don't know a single person who had good results with that upgrade -- proof that it shouldn't have been updated. If you want to make sure your device is going to get an update and be able to run it, then don't buy a low end device.

I'm not saying that fragmentation isn't still an issue in some Android devices. We're all aware that there is a problem with certain devices getting updated -- but that isn't Google's fault; it's the manufacturers. Should the Motorola Droid get Android 2.3? No. It runs like crap. Should the LG Revolution (not on this list, just an example) get Android 2.3? Yes -- it's fully capable, and LG should do something about that.

And, before I get called a fanboy, let me make one thing clear. Sure, I feel compelled to defend Android when it's justified. I'm no fanboy -- I pride myself on objectivity, and this infographic just ain't it.

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby achillies » October 27th, 2011, 11:26 pm

Where the Keyboard Lovers

First Pictures Of The DROID4 By Motorola

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Keyboard lovers, get ready – the DROID4 by Motorola is coming and according to our sources, has the best slideout they have “ever seen on a smartphone.” In this set of glamour shots we received, you can get a taste for what’s to come which means ultra-thin slider with DROID RAZR styling and wait for it….4G LTE. You asked for it and Moto appears to have made it.
Spec breakdown:
4″ screen (assuming Super AMOLED Advanced)
Full 5-row “illuminated” keyboard
RAZR styling
4G LTE
Non-removable battery
Android 2.3.5
1080p video recording (assuming 8MP)
Front camera
HDMI out
MotoACTV syncing
Sexy device, right there. No word yet on processor, but will bet that it has at least the 1.2GHz OMAP4430 that the RAZR has. Would not doubt it if it had something newer though. Haven’t heard of a release time line – all others in the DROID keyboard series seem to be getting the summer treatment. However, this phone looks like it might be done. See all of that bloatware already up and running?

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Postby achillies » October 27th, 2011, 11:34 pm

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby achillies » October 27th, 2011, 11:36 pm

Samsung Galaxy Nexus vs White Galaxy Note


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Re: Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby S_2NR » October 28th, 2011, 3:49 am

mitch wrote:yeah that's a widget locker lock screen with the new ICS theme


Where did u get the ics theme?
U have a link?
I'm using cm7

EDIT: if ur using the same one on the market, i got it. :)

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby Swisha » October 28th, 2011, 7:04 am

yeah the ICS theme comes built in with the new version of widget locker

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Postby achillies » October 28th, 2011, 8:53 am

S_2NR wrote:
mitch wrote:yeah that's a widget locker lock screen with the new ICS theme


Where did u get the ics theme?
U have a link?
I'm using cm7

EDIT: if ur using the same one on the market, i got it. :)


It has been updated recently, the entire app had a makeover actually and the themes are built in 8-)

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby S_2NR » October 28th, 2011, 12:41 pm

whuttt?
where in widget locker that theme is?
i downloaded the theme separate from market...its for cm7 theme chooser

and im talking about the phone theme eh. (the whole interface)
not just the lockscreen.
just in case u mixing them up.

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby achillies » October 28th, 2011, 1:01 pm

S_2NR wrote:whuttt?
where in widget locker that theme is?
i downloaded the theme separate from market...its for cm7 theme chooser

and im talking about the phone theme eh. (the whole interface)
not just the lockscreen.
just in case u mixing them up.


Well I thought you were talking about mitch's picture, that's the updated widgetlocker on cyanogen with the cyanogen color scheme (I think)

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Postby achillies » October 28th, 2011, 1:20 pm

Very Cool


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Postby achillies » October 28th, 2011, 1:42 pm

This is going to be sweet


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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby S_2NR » October 28th, 2011, 1:50 pm

Got ice cream sandwich on my nexus s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAHHH!!!
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Postby r3iXmann » October 28th, 2011, 2:00 pm

the official? ^

does everything work? (if its a port)

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Postby S_2NR » October 28th, 2011, 2:04 pm

its a port.
working great so far. bear in mind i just installed it lol
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313337

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do a nandroid backup before u do anything eh.

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Postby Swisha » October 28th, 2011, 2:27 pm

noice!

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Postby S_2NR » October 28th, 2011, 2:31 pm

so far.. bluetooth not working, and its sluggish, bearable but slightly slower than gingerbread.
its just a developer release so im sure it would be ok in the final.

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby r3iXmann » October 28th, 2011, 2:37 pm

ima wait for the official release

stock is the new rice :lol:

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby S_2NR » October 28th, 2011, 2:49 pm

:lol: :lol:
restoring to my nandroid backup now.
too sluggish for daily use IMO.
and little bugs here and there.
i just wanted to play around with it a lil.

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby Strauss » October 28th, 2011, 3:07 pm

What does this mean for the X10 mini please.

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby Swisha » October 28th, 2011, 4:07 pm

S_2NR wrote::lol: :lol:
restoring to my nandroid backup now.
too sluggish for daily use IMO.
and little bugs here and there.
i just wanted to play around with it a lil.


the CM devs said they arent even bothering with the SDK port. they're waiting for the source code to be released which Google said would be shortly after the Galaxy Nexus becomes available.

that date is Nov. 17th...

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby Swisha » October 28th, 2011, 5:03 pm

btw yall need to check out the Google+ "what's hot" stream. some seriously funny sheit up in there :lol:

plus.google.com/hot

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby Swisha » October 28th, 2011, 5:18 pm

Google TV, take two, arrives next week with Honeycomb, Android Market

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It has been a long year for Google TV. The first (and only, so far) round of hardware started shipping in October 2010 and at the time, promised the Android Marketplace with its wealth of third party apps early in the next year. That clearly didn't happen, and it quickly became most notable for what it was being blocked from doing, like streaming video from TV providers like Hulu and various network TV websites. After various false starts and delays, Sony Google TV and Logitech Revue hardware will finally receive updates to Android 3.1 Honeycomb starting this weekend with Sony up first and Logitech "shortly thereafter." The biggest additions are the aforementioned apps, a new interface, and a refocused system for content discovery that starts with the new TV & Movies app pictured above. Check out the gallery for more pictures of the new Google TV, while more details and videos follow after the break.






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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby S_2NR » October 29th, 2011, 4:23 am

restored back to cm7 within 5 mins.
thank god for nandroid backup.
ics is nice but ill wait for the final version, the port is too buggy.
and plus im themed and everything so im not missing much.. :oops:

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby achillies » October 29th, 2011, 7:40 am

^^^^^ what weather widget it that?

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Postby S_2NR » October 29th, 2011, 8:13 am

Fancy widgets

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Re: The *Official* GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

Postby Swisha » October 29th, 2011, 10:00 am

BeWeather for me...

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