The Religion Discussion

[sMASH]

[sMASH]

Which part in the bible it say to be vegetarians?

To understand why God sacrificed his son you have to understand why that is necessary.

it isn't necessary to 'understand It' because it isn't necessary.
I thought to was not necessary, and afterwards saw that Islam thought it wasn't necessary.
Because god is all powerful all he has to to is that u are forgiven, and u are forgiven. And the fact that your book said that Jesus prayed three times for the cup to pass from him, shows that even he didn't want to do it. And he gave up, He lost hope, his spirit was broken. When I won't believe that something like a god, with power to create black holes, would be so human in behaviour, desire, emotion.
Why? Because they don't need to be.
Why? Because they are above so that.

Christianity preys on the weak minded and the poor, because it shows them a father figure who will take care of them, it gives them emotional support,promises that they all see better days... like the same reason people gamble.

Satisfy the people' basic needs, allow them to think rationally, and they move away from Christianity.

[eitech]

Strange eh. For atheists they sure reference the bible alot. Trying to use text and misinterpreting. If you stand by the islam way use their text. If you stand by science do that too. But you all so confused you jump here there and everywhere. 50% muslim, 50% atheist, quoting from scriptures 75% of the times, wrongly, and ur folly logic d next 25%.

[maj. tom]

It's alright bro. Why you even arguing like this?

[bluesclues]

Which part in the bible it say to be vegetarians?

To understand why God sacrificed his son you have to understand why that is necessary.

it isn't necessary to 'understand It' because it isn't necessary.
I thought to was not necessary, and afterwards saw that Islam thought it wasn't necessary.
Because god is all powerful all he has to to is that u are forgiven, and u are forgiven. And the fact that your book said that Jesus prayed three times for the cup to pass from him, shows that even he didn't want to do it. And he gave up, He lost hope, his spirit was broken. When I won't believe that something like a god, with power to create black holes, would be so human in behaviour, desire, emotion.
Why? Because they don't need to be.
Why? Because they are above so that.

Christianity preys on the weak minded and the poor, because it shows them a father figure who will take care of them, it gives them emotional support,promises that they all see better days... like the same reason people gamble.

Satisfy the people' basic needs, allow them to think rationally, and they move away from Christianity.

sorry. but your comprehension problem is not one that i can help you with in this thread.

please go back to school. and also continue to guide yourself. you know best and i dont know what im talking about.

[eitech]

It's alright bro. Why you even arguing like this?

Actually i was laughing while writing that. Laughable as dey say.

[matr1x]

To understand why God sacrificed his son you have to understand why that is necessary by the way God created this universe to function. It would be easier for me to explain it to someone who is a programmer. Basically the process of a divine being entering our space as a regular man and ascending gave the credit to the human race for producing 'one successful aspirant'. And while that ascended being was here, the spiritual knowledge he disseminated would be the purest form you can get without being in heaven face to face with God. For which you would have to die. So instead God hacked his own computer to cheat for us to get a better gradepoint average and also lowered the passing mark requirement to give us a better chance of earning our way out of absolom and back to paradise.

Just because you dont understand something or WHY something was done doesnt mean it's nonsense. It just means you dont understand. There are things a man simply cannot wrap his mind around sometimes, riddles he is unable to solve even when the answer is easy. This should be known and not justify discarding something because you cant solve the problem. Why should you expect yourself to see every answer and see the solution to every task and obstacle with ease? What you dont see someone else sees and what they cant see you might see with ease.

Wait, whut?

That is not just nonsense, it's stupid.
As a programmer, I can tell you the universe is more an organized chaos than a system. Chance, cause and effect. Nothing more.

The problem with your second statement is that you think humans cannot think on multiple levels. Just because you cannot think on those levels doesn't mean others cannot.

There is no need for a celestial being in the workings of the universe

[sMASH]

Which part in the bible it say to be vegetarians?

To understand why God sacrificed his son you have to understand why that is necessary.

it isn't necessary to 'understand It' because it isn't necessary.
I thought to was not necessary, and afterwards saw that Islam thought it wasn't necessary.
Because god is all powerful all he has to to is that u are forgiven, and u are forgiven. And the fact that your book said that Jesus prayed three times for the cup to pass from him, shows that even he didn't want to do it. And he gave up, He lost hope, his spirit was broken. When I won't believe that something like a god, with power to create black holes, would be so human in behaviour, desire, emotion.
Why? Because they don't need to be.
Why? Because they are above so that.

Christianity preys on the weak minded and the poor, because it shows them a father figure who will take care of them, it gives them emotional support,promises that they all see better days... like the same reason people gamble.

Satisfy the people' basic needs, allow them to think rationally, and they move away from Christianity.

sorry. but your comprehension problem is not one that i can help you with in this thread.

please go back to school. and also continue to guide yourself. you know best and i dont know what im talking about.

Used to top the class in comprehension...

[bluesclues]

and that you think this means noone can have a higher level of comprehension than you while you fail to see clearly available logic in the literature makes your persona laughable :ugeek:

[matr1x]

and that you think this means noone can have a higher level of comprehension than you while you fail to see clearly available logic in the literature makes your persona laughable :ugeek:

Kek, let's ask Jesus.

[sMASH]

and that you think this means noone can have a higher level of comprehension than you while you fail to see clearly available logic in the literature makes your persona laughable :ugeek:

Primary school had like 26 pupils, I topped that class. I was only better than 25 other people at that time. The world has more than 26 persons in it these days.

I'm not saying That I am the best at comprehension in the world.
I was merely replying directly to an instruction u gave,,, for me to go back to primary school comprehension class. And my response was to demonstrate that I was already shown to be capable. And it was primary school, that can't be compared to the whole world.


Comprehend?

[matr1x]

It's a couple of years a.d. and you got names like john, paul,Matthew and such. Names like those were not around not just back then, but especially in that region. Who Christians trying to fool

[eitech]

Sometimes i like to go up to dem JW on d street and challenge them jus to show them how narrow minded they are. Jus like here. Anyways onetime i told a lady, lets follow ur belief for a moment and consider there is no hell. I die and perhaps if i was a bad person, non existence would be my " punishment". She agreed.
So i flipped the story now. I said lets follow my belief and lets say there was the smallest of chances a hell existed and you, the Jw, was not prepared for such a scenario because u didnt believe it existed. What would ur position be? She screw her pan and walked off without considering. The answer was pretty clear.
My point is, ok lets say i am wrong in my belief, no god, or whatever, i die and thats it. I guess i would have wasted by life preachin for nought. Fair enough. On the flip side, similarly, if what i say has any credit, then what would be the atheist position? The answer here is also clear. Be prepared. Thats one of the teachings of the gospel.
So, don't think i brought up this analogy cuz i have doubts in anyway cuz i know but it doesn't take a scientist or programmer to figure out that if ur probability is not 100% certain, therein lies doubt because at the end of the day, science doesn't say what happens after u die, it only makes assumptions. These assumptions no matter how much evidence put forward, dey dont know.
So do like d JW and try to avoid but it is better to be prepared than not. Doesn't matter which way you look at it.

[sMASH]

That is fear based belief. Where u threaten people with a bad outcome, and offer then a solution out of it.

It works on the poor, weak, and simple minded.
When u live hand to mouth everyday, ur not sure where ur next meal is coming from, there are dangerous and venomous animals all around, any sickness that passes through has a higher likelihood of wiping out the majority of people than not, there are warlords around to which there is no defense. These are the dire situations the simple folk face. Real trouble.

So when they can't overcome it them selves, they try to induce the higher powers to relieve them of their struggles, their worries. Then u get s person promising a kingdom, wealth beyond dreams, to protect them from harm, so that they can just say some words and they can drink poison and not be harmed. They are identified and related to by being revered to as sheep, and there is a divine sheppard to look after them.

They can take the easy way out and at least pacify their worries.

Just like gambling, they are promised a high reward with little input. That reward is the solution to their daily struggles.

And as people get richer and richer, they see less of a need to get deliverance from bondage... they are not bound into the dire constraints of their existence anymore. So they move away from religion.
As we see today.

Remove the threat of help and promise of security from the threats of the world, would people still stay with it? As u see todsy, no.


But when people are given the opportunity to think about the world, think about themselves, think about how each relates to each other, we see a lot of atheism coming about.

But, these days u see a lot of reverts to Islam... surprisingly. And these people come from populations whom have their needs met, they have little threats to their selves. The choice they made is in intellectual choice.

It promises little, yet imposes a lot of restrictions, and a has a lot of demands on ur time which is precious these days. And people still see something worth doing it for.

It's projected to be the largest religion by 2070. It seems counter intuitive.

Would u still do It, if u didn't have to?

[matr1x]

Religious ppl accuse atheists of being self-righteous and condescending but what do.you hear 90% of the time from them? They are following the righteous path, no weapons formed against them, lead by faith not by sight, my Co pilot is jesus.

A bunch of self indulgent, self important, manipulation based ideology. Aside from the fact they have nothing but their book, all they have is the veiled threat from the afterlife. Science is about discovery and moving forward. Religion is about not moving at all to please the space man.

Like i.say, bring jesus, god, bramha, Allah and let's prove this.

[eitech]

Yup. Jus proved eveything most have said before over and over. Reading is not jus barking at words. Its understanding what the words convey. I cannot prove to you that Jesus is real. Only you can discover that through your sincere desire to know. Can you not understand that? So many times it has been said.
Why do you think when Jesus asked peter who do you say i am. Peter said the christ, son of the living God. Jesus said FLESH and BLOOD didn't reveal that to you but my father in heaven. When you desire to know God, then he reveals himself to you not the other way around.
But your cop out is for someone else to show you God when the power is with you. But the truth is you do not want to know for yourself. You choose to remain blind. You choose to be ignorant.

[matr1x]

Yup. Jus proved eveything most have said before over and over. Reading is not jus barking at words. Its understanding what the words convey. I cannot prove to you that Jesus is real. Only you can discover that through your sincere desire to know. Can you not understand that? So many times it has been said.
Why do you think when Jesus asked peter who do you say i am. Peter said the christ, son of the living God. Jesus said FLESH and BLOOD didn't reveal that to you...
But your cop out is for someone else to show you God when the power is with you. But the truth is you do not want to know for yourself. You choose to remain blind. You choose to be ignorant.

Dat sir, was verbal diarrhea

[eitech]

Religious ppl accuse atheists of being self-righteous and condescending but what do.you hear 90% of the time from them? They are following the righteous path, no weapons formed against them, lead by faith not by sight, my Co pilot is jesus.

A bunch of self indulgent, self important, manipulation based ideology. Aside from the fact they have nothing but their book, all they have is the veiled threat from the afterlife. Science is about discovery and moving forward. Religion is about not moving at all to please the space man.

Like i.say, bring jesus, god, bramha, Allah and let's prove this.

I say to you i cannot prove to you that jesus is real.
Through my born again experience and l know Jesus is real. Disprove my experience.

[matr1x]

You died and came back? Someone gave birth to you again

[eitech]

You died and came back? Someone gave birth to you again

Do you not understand the born again experience? Before you let your imagination run away, it does NOT mean entering the mother's womb a second time and be born. It has nothin to do with dying and coming back. Go check google or elsewhere and see if you can come up with answer. Then bring your interpretation and disprove mine

[sMASH]

Yup. Jus proved eveything most have said before over and over. Reading is not jus barking at words. Its understanding what the words convey. I cannot prove to you that Jesus is real. Only you can discover that through your sincere desire to know. Can you not understand that? So many times it has been said.
Why do you think when Jesus asked peter who do you say i am. Peter said the christ, son of the living God. Jesus said FLESH and BLOOD didn't reveal that to you but my father in heaven. When you desire to know God, then he reveals himself to you not the other way around.
But your cop out is for someone else to show you God when the power is with you. But the truth is you do not want to know for yourself. You choose to remain blind. You choose to be ignorant.

in the past, people prayed to gods for food, crops, rain, the ability to defeat their neighboring tribes. Made sacrifices, offerings etc. I am taking about from Egyptians to Aztecs to Eskimos. They induced forces the control of nature to make their own standing in the world better.
That's how u got Easter and corpus Christi and what not... offerings/celebrations for the equinoxes, solstices, and seasons.

With advancements in technology, humans were better able to harness nature and protect themselves from its unfavorable whims. So, u get a more prosperous people, with more wealth and a need to induce some god to make them even wealthier. So u form religion to take that wealth and contribute it to the life after.

And when poor people see how rich people in that religion, they want the same rewards. And while the church gets rich, the poor people have their souls saved.

When people have those simple needs met, they have no need to search for a god to appease to give them more.

Ur saying if u want to believe In god then he will become real to u. Ur saying it will only work if u believe it will work. But now people dont need it to work, and don't care if it works or not.

I say to you i cannot prove to you that jesus is real.
Through my born again experience and l know Jesus is real. Disprove my experience.

That is ur experience, not quantifiable, not even qualifiable. So to the rest of the world it will be an opinion.

So if u start every lecture about religion with the preface 'I believe' or 'I think' I will have no problem with that. But don't spread your thoughts And ur personal experiences to other people as if ur experiences are greater or have more authority than anyone else's. Because they don't.

Everyone knows for certain that their way is the truth. But only one set of people going house to house to annoy the rest of the world. Only set of people braying in the city center. Its annoying, and disrespectful.

U know ur right like Noah knew he was right. But until the flood, every body had their own opinion on life. And until that flood comes, can't u just respect other people's right to think something else?

[bluefete]

Did Jesus really study in India?

Hindusim was around thousands of years before Christianity and Islam.

Yet the ancient texts mention Issa.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm

[bluesclues]

@smash

An atheist woman once came to me. After seeing me speak before many and teach many things even to christians and to muslims and other atheists. She like all of those who opposed was unable to find defiance in the logic I proposed to answer all the questions that have been troubling them for so long.

The atheist woman said to me: 'i have read the bible. And there are two creation stories in genesis. For my life, This mistake keeps me from believing. Explain to me why there are 2 creation stories and I will believe.'

My response came immediately after a 30 second consultation of the text in which she had her qualm. By the terms of the agreement, she is now a believer.


What did I say to her? Why are there 2 Creation stories in genesis?

#comprehension

[eitech]

LMAO. d man say that i said if u want to be believe in God then he will be come real to you. That's ur level of comprehension? Wow. Jus wow. I said if u truly want to know God then he will reveal himself to you. My friend whether you believe in God or not he is very much real. Pleas stop misquoting me. Oh sorry, thats what you do all the time.

Lol. I am still waiting for you to disprove my experience. And if you read and understand you will see that i did say that no one can prove to you that Jesus is real. IT IS ONLY THROUGH UR SINCERITY TO KNOW GOD THAT IT WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU. IT IS A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, duh.

So go ahead and disprove it cuz what you said and nothing is the same.

[bluesclues]

30 seconds up yet?

[bluefete]

30 seconds up yet?

There is only one but it is divided into parts. The creation of the universe and the creation of man.

More details is given about the creation of man.

[bluesclues]

30 seconds up yet?

There is only one but it is divided into parts. The creation of the universe and the creation of man.

More details is given about the creation of man.

@smash

[sMASH]

I not going to read over genesis to get the two creation stories.

Reveal/come to, what's the effective difference? Replace one with the other, does it have that much of a change in meaning? No, the context renders it similar enough work. I just used the term that was used wrt the holy ghost, that it comes upon u. U really going to differentiate between the holy ghost coming upon someone, and god revealing himself? If there is that much of a distinction, u will have to concede that they're separate entities, thus constituting polytheism.



No one is disputing ur personal experience. What goes on in the internal environment of ur person is ur business.

If u are so imbued with god, can ur neck be cut off and u still live? Can u drink poison and still live? Can u work miracles and cure the sick as u go forth into the world?
Do that and u have ur proof. As of now, I have not come across any scientific test to prove if Jesus is God or not. I have not come across any scientific test to prove if god is inside, came to or revealed to any one.

And the only prove u can offer that supports ur claim is referenced from ur book. Exactly circular... the book says that what the books says is true. And if u believe ur book, then I reference ur book to prove my own points.

And as u boldly wrote that it is a personal experience, I think that would constitute an opinion. Also a paraphrase on my part.

[eitech]

I not going to read over genesis to get the two creation stories.

Reveal/come to, what's the effective difference? Replace one with the other, does it have that much of a change in meaning? No, the context renders it similar enough work. I just used the term that was used wrt the holy ghost, that it comes upon u. U really going to differentiate between the holy ghost coming upon someone, and god revealing himself? If there is that much of a distinction, u will have to concede that they're separate entities, thus constituting polytheism.



No one is disputing ur personal experience. What goes on in the internal environment of ur person is ur business.

If u are so imbued with god, can ur neck be cut off and u still live? Can u drink poison and still live? Can u work miracles and cure the sick as u go forth into the world?
Do that and u have ur proof. As of now, I have not come across any scientific test to prove if Jesus is God or not. I have not come across any scientific test to prove if god is inside, came to or revealed to any one.

And the only prove u can offer that supports ur claim is referenced from ur book. Exactly circular... the book says that what the books says is true. And if u believe ur book, then I reference ur book to prove my own points.

And as u boldly wrote that it is a personal experience, I think that would constitute an opinion. Also a paraphrase on my part.

You are so dependent on physical evidence. You still cannot disprove it. I rest my case.

[matr1x]

@smash

An atheist woman once came to me. After seeing me speak before many and teach many things even to christians and to muslims and other atheists. She like all of those who opposed was unable to find defiance in the logic I proposed to answer all the questions that have been troubling them for so long.

The atheist woman said to me: 'i have read the bible. And there are two creation stories in genesis. For my life, This mistake keeps me from believing. Explain to me why there are 2 creation stories and I will believe.'

My response came immediately after a 30 second consultation of the text in which she had her qualm. By the terms of the agreement, she is now a believer.


What did I say to her? Why are there 2 Creation stories in genesis?

#comprehension

Cool story bro. I am sure this "atheist " woman is as real as Jesus. I am sure the Easter bunny agrees.

Born again means you give into Jesus. Nothing special.

Of course, Christianity has the moral high ground of the worst Pol pot. I as a Carib descendant can say that that born again is the worst insult to our ancestors. Not forgetting the lack.of actual evidence for miracles in the bible, or the inability of God to actually show up

Religion lacks the answers and slither to adapt whenever science disproves on of religion 's "facts"