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bluesclues wrote:The bible is full of verifiable history. The gospel accounts were also verified and vouched for by various authority figures from right after christ's death up to being included in the bible. That's why they're there. Because what has been included in the bible has been verified at least to a reasonably acceptable level through history and that's why there are so many who believe.
As long as you don't get caught up in distractions. Examining any religious doctrine you will find that it simply proposes that just like there is opposites, up/down, left/right, male/female that this rule of opposites reveals that since this world is finite and decaying, their is an opposite world to that that is infinite and eternal. That man has a finite attribute, AND an infinite attribute. That discovering the infinite attribute requires living in harmony with nature and universal intention. It goes on to define what those intentions are so you are not left in the wilderness. And the rest... is up to you. A path is defined already and vouched for that it works if you follow the instructions. The path that is defined is the same in all religions modern and ancient.. though the congregates interpretations of the path throughout history may have been skewed and giving rise to death cults etc. The knowledge presented was accurate and so survived, encrypted and backups made with multiple religions, each with special knowledge or focus on a particular aspect of spiritual knowledge. Keepers of parts of a secret each hold. But all are talking about the same secret. Each religion verifies the other, and each story is the same. Each claim is the same, the explanations are the same and the possibilities are the same. Each have just gone about their own way of recording that which their ancestors vouched for.
Religions claim of an infinite existence as a mirror opposite of this finite world encourages man to reach higher and remove any limits he has set on his self as to what he is capable of. That we can access the power of the creator of this world and thus mold it as we wish. But in our powerless and weak spirited state, we bicker, cheat, steal and murder and drive the world towards turmoil because of selfishness and desire. Religion thus teaches us how to create peace and many feel that peace is made at the negotiation table. But not according to religion. According to all religion.. world peace will be achieved when...
A)You stop horning your wife/husband and honour your promises and commitments
B)help the downtrodden and lift them up(give to the poor)
C)stop taking advantage of people and do fair and honourable business
D)not participate in corrupt practices when in positions of authority
E)judge not our fellow man as we don't live in his/her shoes
F)forgive trespasses and don't seek murderous revenge for every little thing(civility/control)
G) there is more but last but not least.. Love and serve God as he instructed.
Just like the greatest effect of negating crime is not hiring more police and buying more vehicles, but facilitating low unemployment rates and high gainful employment opportunities. The way to peace and bridging of the intercontinental and cultural divide is just in truly following the instructions given. The morals and values that the stories are meant to instill in the reader above all will make both the world and the person... better.
timelapse wrote:You know , If I say I met God last night ,the religious would be the first to doubt me
matr1x wrote:A book written by humans, guided by a divine hand. Do you know how mental that sounds?
Religious people try to separate the atrocities from the religion to trap others. Lines like the person not the religion of blame are cop outs to excuse the danger of religion
sMASH wrote:Didn't a man recently kill his son because god told him to do so?
sMASH wrote:Like u don't watch news... he heard a voice in his head. First reports said it was Jesus, later reports said god.
When he hearing god, and allyuh hearing god, and in the bible god killed more people than the devil... what is one to believe....
sMASH wrote:U know for a fact, the same way any other average person knows.
Ur word against his.
Many people in the past said that Jesus appeared to them in troubling times and brought them out. What if that Jesus they spoke of actually caused the trouble, in order to appear to save them, just to get bragging rights and more converts?
What if that knife wielding person did see that same Jesus figure, but the Jesus figure was just not up got the saving part of the gimmick?
Hoss, ur knowledge is as substantial as any other person. What u claim as facts is just ur beliefs, ur faith, and basically ur opinion.
There is nothing to distinguish between the Jesus that he saw and the Jesus that other people saw.
In the bible, god killed more people than the devil did... he told Abraham to kill his beloved son, he causes job to loose all his family throguh death, he killed his own son on the cross!!!
That stabbing guy was probably seeing the real god of the bible.
U know for a fact,,, ur facts,,, in ur head. Not readily reproducible.
sMASH wrote:
sMASH wrote:Not because th crowd clapped, but because it makes no sense for God to kill himself or his son to get rid of sin or even remove the punishment. That is what judgement day is for.
Islam teaches that pharoah was given the afflictions of the pests and diseases and calamities to change his ways. Each time he begged forgiveness and was forgiven. When the calamity was removed, he went back to his previous self important belief. Then he was given another calamity. And so on.
Each time he begged he was forgiven.
Until the last time, when he was drowned, and did not have the chance to get for forgiveness.
Just like the prodigal son, as long as the father wants to forgive, all he has to do is forgive. If he wants to wave the penalty of punishment, he can do so. He is not bound to inflict any penalty or exact any recompense.
All he has to do is say ur are forgiven to ur transgressions, and mercy has been granted from any punishment, and it is so.
No need to kill urself or ur son for any sin.
Simple. Effective.
Killing of one's son or one's self, eating if the flesh and drinking of the blood, washing with the blood, filled with spirits,,, all very contrived and convoluted, unnecessarily so.
Say u on Israel god is one!
Father, son and holy ghost...
Who is blasphemous there?
Oh yes, u and many others have answered it many times before.
Just like clapping doesn't means he is correct, producing words doesn't mean it was a sufficient or logical explanation.
Islam does it best; god is one, indivisible, with out predecessors, progeny or partners.
Simple. Effective.
Let me put it this way.
If Islam says that god is one and Christianity says god is rather son and holy ghost, which is more resembling the statement that god is one?
It is obvious, that the declaration that Islam says that god is one, is closer in meaning to god is one, then what Christianity says by god is one made up of father son and holy ghost.
The explanations that modern Christians provide to explain how rather son and holy ghost can still be one god, can make sense,,,, if u think about it in certain ways.
But if god is one and comes says that god is one, then that seems the easiest way to think about it.
Think about it.
bible wrote:I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
sMASH wrote:If u deny his Son he will deny you?bible wrote:I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
that's because when god tells u all not to associate partners with him, what u all do?
Allyuh gone an give god a son... begotten no less, and give him a pet ghost.
Jesus isn't good, only the father is good.
The father is greater than him.
And nothing can happen through him except by the will of the father.
sMASH wrote:I posted stuff from ur bible
sMASH wrote:Matthew 7. 21-23
matr1x wrote:Here is the problem with religion : it takes real history and skews it in a particular way to make itself favorable. Mix in imaginary characters like Mohammed and Jesus and you have a party. Funny how instead of dying they "ascent to heaven " and no genetic relatives to trace back. Convenient.
bluefete wrote:matr1x wrote:Here is the problem with religion : it takes real history and skews it in a particular way to make itself favorable. Mix in imaginary characters like Mohammed and Jesus and you have a party. Funny how instead of dying they "ascent to heaven " and no genetic relatives to trace back. Convenient.
So Muhammed and Jesus never existed?
But the Bible gives the lineage of Jesus and, ironically, that of Muhammed as well.
So are you saying that all that information is made up?
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