The Religion Discussion

[sMASH]

Sounds familiar.

In islam we are taught there is the ruh and the naffs. One is the animal , base desires/ instincts that is with the physical body, it is the same thing in animals. U can refer to it ask ur animal instincts.
The next is u urself or ur spirit. It is what remains when u die, which transcends this realm and will exist in the next. This is the self that makes u different from the animals.





In the past when I had tried to discuss the little intricacies of how things are said to be arranged, the Christians tell me because jesus died and they don't need to follow the old testament. So they eat pork, drink wine, don't make sacrifices.
They are born again and not bound by the old abrahamic traditions.

Tell them about the new testament, and they say the bible is just a guide... and god put it inside u. It is what u feel when the holy spirit.





Is either u use the book, or get rid of it. Don't use it for some things, and then bypass it when u are shown things in it that are contrary to ur practise.

What you have to ask is which of those people you speak to have received God's light and awareness of his spirit. Ask them which has received revelation? Ask them if they have been granted grace and that everlasting life. From pundit to pandit. How does one who has not achieved guide another? The blind leading the blind. Pull the wool out of your own eye first, then you can try to remove the wool from your brothers'. How are you led to salvation by someone who himself has not been saved? How do you believe in this. If they know so much of the right thing to instruct you how come they themselves have not been saved as of yet? Christian muslim hindu. Which of you know God's spirit. Which imam knows more than one in mystic converse with God? From his scholarly work? Who knows more about horses? The stable owner or the man who has seen pictures of horses.

Ask yourself. What do you really KNOW? And what are u guessing about? Men eating pork men not eating pork still between the 2 neither of u are saved as of yet. So maybe is something more than pork.

Anybody that says that they received God's light, or has the holy ghost on them, or walks in the light of god, or is born again, are all ignorant monolougists.

All the knowledge that they have, is all the knowledge that is necessary. They don't want to know more.
When u show them inconsistencies in their own bible, they say Jesus put the bible in them and they have it spiritually.


God doesn't need a son, he doesn't have to pay any debt, and there is no such thing as original sin.

Good day, sir.

[meccalli]

U also seem confused. Saying one thing and then quoting things which contradict you, then trying to spin it to mean and support what u want it to mean.
What spirit goes unto God?
What second birth is possible in an immortal and transformed body made of divine light? What is second death? What is 'to kill him, but killed him not, for he was ascended into heaven?

Blues, again I'll tell you your new age theology has no basis in scripture. Reading into the text what you'd like to believe is eisegetical.

Anybody that says that they received God's light, or has the holy ghost on them, or walks in the light of god, or is born again, are all ignorant monolougists.

All the knowledge that they have, is all the knowledge that is necessary. They don't want to know more.
When u show them inconsistencies in their own bible, they say Jesus put the bible in them and they have it spiritually.


God doesn't need a son, he doesn't have to pay any debt, and there is no such thing as original sin.

Good day, sir.

Then you ought to point it out here, because Islam claims to believe in the prophets and Jesus Christ.
The spirit was promised to men several times in antiquity,

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

And so was the sonship of a prophesied son of David as God's son.
2 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

Sure God doesn't need sons but he has created them and many of them I should add. The bene ha elohim are the sons of God in Genesis and Job as divine beings, Human beings such as Adam was a son of God and so was Christ. And now all of us who are led by the spirit.

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,"

[eitech]

Sounds familiar.

In islam we are taught there is the ruh and the naffs. One is the animal , base desires/ instincts that is with the physical body, it is the same thing in animals. U can refer to it ask ur animal instincts.
The next is u urself or ur spirit. It is what remains when u die, which transcends this realm and will exist in the next. This is the self that makes u different from the animals.





In the past when I had tried to discuss the little intricacies of how things are said to be arranged, the Christians tell me because jesus died and they don't need to follow the old testament. So they eat pork, drink wine, don't make sacrifices.
They are born again and not bound by the old abrahamic traditions.

Tell them about the new testament, and they say the bible is just a guide... and god put it inside u. It is what u feel when the holy spirit.





Is either u use the book, or get rid of it. Don't use it for some things, and then bypass it when u are shown things in it that are contrary to ur practise.

What you have to ask is which of those people you speak to have received God's light and awareness of his spirit. Ask them which has received revelation? Ask them if they have been granted grace and that everlasting life. From pundit to pandit. How does one who has not achieved guide another? The blind leading the blind. Pull the wool out of your own eye first, then you can try to remove the wool from your brothers'. How are you led to salvation by someone who himself has not been saved? How do you believe in this. If they know so much of the right thing to instruct you how come they themselves have not been saved as of yet? Christian muslim hindu. Which of you know God's spirit. Which imam knows more than one in mystic converse with God? From his scholarly work? Who knows more about horses? The stable owner or the man who has seen pictures of horses.

Ask yourself. What do you really KNOW? And what are u guessing about? Men eating pork men not eating pork still between the 2 neither of u are saved as of yet. So maybe is something more than pork.

Anybody that says that they received God's light, or has the holy ghost on them, or walks in the light of god, or is born again, are all ignorant monolougists.

The holy ghost is not on you, it indwells you. This is what it means to be born again. I know this to be true via my experience. You are not born again so you cannot testify to that experience.


All the knowledge that they have, is all the knowledge that is necessary. They don't want to know more.
You are correct here. I know that i know that i know.

1 Corinthians 2:2 KJVS
[2] For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus the Christ, and him crucified.


When u show them inconsistencies in their own bible, they say Jesus put the bible in them and they have it spiritually.
Lol. Jesus did not put the bible in anyone and they do not have it spiritually. Lol who have you been speakin to? I still have to read the bible

2 Timothy 2:15-16 KJVS
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. [16] But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

See there, study...


God doesn't need a son, he doesn't have to pay any debt, and there is no such thing as original sin.

Ur right, God doesn't need a son, he already has one
Ur right in that God doesn't have a debt to pay. He owes man nothing. The potter owes nothin to the clay. Original sin, ur right again. It's just called sin.

Romans 6:23 KJVS
[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus the Christ our Lord.

So man is the one who will be paying for his sins (in-debt). God offers a way out via the gift of eternal life through his son.


Good day, sir.[/]

[sMASH]

Read this thread from the beginning, u would see it went in circles. As new people came in, the same topics got rehashed repeatedly.

In other words been there, done that.

D spike was the only one to explain the modern Christian concept of the trinity that made any sort of sense. Anything I hear from any other Christian sounds like polytheism but explained by a delusional person who doesn't know how to use words and their meaning correctly.

[eitech]

Read this thread from the beginning, u would see it went in circles. As new people came in, the same topics got rehashed repeatedly.

In other words been there, done that.

D spike was the only one to explain the modern Christian concept of the trinity that made any sort of sense. Anything I hear from any other Christian sounds like polytheism but explained by a delusional person who doesn't know how to use words and their meaning correctly.

Tell me, who is a christian?

[sMASH]

Bale, Hemsworth, also Gray

[eitech]

Bale, Hemsworth, also Gray

Lol is all ur folly deserve now yes.

[sMASH]

I want me to answer according to the knowledge that u have. In islam we are taught something different about Christianity.

We are thought that Christ came to earth for s time, and taught some things that was different. Those that lived according to that which he thought, were Christians, as they emulated him.
Christ was a jew, and those that followed him were also jews.

In the bible u have today, there are some words that say that Jesus is either god in human form, or the son of god.
There are also words that say, that issues is distinct from god, lower than god. That he is just a man.
The father is greater than I, our rather who is in heaven, don't call me good it is The father that is good, I would be in my father's house... etc

According to what Islam teaches, that Jesus is only a prophet, and a man, the words in the bible that puts Jesus as just a man, line up with it.
When Jesus is referred to as the son of god, it was not meant literally. It was a saying ment to mean a prophet. People at time understood that, cause that was how they spoke.
And as time went by, people took it to be literal. And in council of nicea, or how ever it is spelled, they decided that that is how it will be. So from that time on, Jesus is the literal son of god, officially.


When he says that now one can go to the father except through me, it doesn't mean u have to pray in Jesus name, or u have to be live that he is the son of god, or part of the trinity. It means that the teachings he had, the way that he did things , was the way they needed to do things.
When he says I am the truth and the light and the way, is just like when a police man says I am the law.
He doesn't mean he is the literal law, he just means that he is the representative of the law, and has certain powers he can enforce at in the situation .



And jesus came only for the jews and the gentiles. Those were two groups of people restricted to either a region or a class. Not the whole world.



Any thing that puts Jesus as son of god, god emodied on earth, and for the whole world to follow, were misinterpretation to what was intended, inexact translation, and some white people bending words intentionally to keep people throwing money into churches for salvation, when the word benders control the church.


When other old world societies and religions teach to preserve the environment and live with nature, and to learn and understand how nature works. Christianity of today, teaches that the only good knowledge is from the bible, and anything else is useless, expect that to use it to ur own profit as u have dominion over everything, and so entitled everything in nature. It doesn't teach to be in harmony with nature, but to be dominant. Especially as the bible has where Jesus cursed a fig tree to death, because it didn't give him fruits.

It tells u the only thing that is important is to be a nice Christian and forget about other knowledge, as it will, lead u Away from salvation.

Islam tells u to gain knowledge front the the cradle to the grave.

And then there are things like giant galaxies, blackholes, quarks, string theory, etc... a lot of things to investigate and learn about.

Christianity tells u that knowledge of the world will lead u away from salvation. And u must only be concerned with salvation. And want is salvation? To be live that god killed himself/son to pay for a debt that he himself out because u ate a fruit that he said not to eat from, yet put it there where u can easily eat it, with out even a fence or some angles to stop u from eating it.

If u Weren't meant to eat it, then he wouldn't have made it easy for u.
That is why in islam, eating of the forbidden fruit wasn't a sin, just a simple act of disobedience. It was a necessary act for humans to be humans, and not disastrous eternal sin. An act that can simply be forgiven. Where he didn't have to kill himself to repay for it... pay the debt? Pay the debts to whom? Who would have collected the debt?

Christianity is simplistic ignorant delusion.

[eitech]

I want me to answer according to the knowledge that u have. In islam we are taught something different about Christianity.

We are thought that Christ came to earth for s time, and taught some things that was different. Those that lived according to that which he thought, were Christians, as they emulated him.
Christ was a jew, and those that followed him were also jews.

In the bible u have today, there are some words that say that Jesus is either god in human form, or the son of god.
There are also words that say, that issues is distinct from god, lower than god. That he is just a man.
The father is greater than I, our rather who is in heaven, don't call me good it is The father that is good, I would be in my father's house... etc

According to what Islam teaches, that Jesus is only a prophet, and a man, the words in the bible that puts Jesus as just a man, line up with it.
When Jesus is referred to as the son of god, it was not meant literally. It was a saying ment to mean a prophet. People at time understood that, cause that was how they spoke.
And as time went by, people took it to be literal. And in council of nicea, or how ever it is spelled, they decided that that is how it will be. So from that time on, Jesus is the literal son of god, officially.


When he says that now one can go to the father except through me, it doesn't mean u have to pray in Jesus name, or u have to be live that he is the son of god, or part of the trinity. It means that the teachings he had, the way that he did things , was the way they needed to do things.
When he says I am the truth and the light and the way, is just like when a police man says I am the law.
He doesn't mean he is the literal law, he just means that he is the representative of the law, and has certain powers he can enforce at in the situation .



And jesus came only for the jews and the gentiles. Those were two groups of people restricted to either a region or a class. Not the whole world.



Any thing that puts Jesus as son of god, god emodied on earth, and for the whole world to follow, were misinterpretation to what was intended, inexact translation, and some white people bending words intentionally to keep people throwing money into churches for salvation, when the word benders control the church.


When other old world societies and religions teach to preserve the environment and live with nature, and to learn and understand how nature works. Christianity of today, teaches that the only good knowledge is from the bible, and anything else is useless, expect that to use it to ur own profit as u have dominion over everything, and so entitled everything in nature. It doesn't teach to be in harmony with nature, but to be dominant. Especially as the bible has where Jesus cursed a fig tree to death, because it didn't give him fruits.

It tells u the only thing that is important is to be a nice Christian and forget about other knowledge, as it will, lead u Away from salvation.

Islam tells u to gain knowledge front the the cradle to the grave.

And then there are things like giant galaxies, blackholes, quarks, string theory, etc... a lot of things to investigate and learn about.

Christianity tells u that knowledge of the world will lead u away from salvation. And u must only be concerned with salvation. And want is salvation? To be live that god killed himself/son to pay for a debt that he himself out because u ate a fruit that he said not to eat from, yet put it there where u can easily eat it, with out even a fence or some angles to stop u from eating it.

If u Weren't meant to eat it, then he wouldn't have made it easy for u.
That is why in islam, eating of the forbidden fruit wasn't a sin, just a simple act of disobedience. It was a necessary act for humans to be humans, and not disastrous eternal sin. An act that can simply be forgiven. Where he didn't have to kill himself to repay for it... pay the debt? Pay the debts to whom? Who would have collected the debt?

Christianity is simplistic ignorant delusion.

Lol. Too many pearls to cast before swine here.

[meccalli]

No Jew ever believed that the messiah was God nor intended to be some form of God. The messiah was a man prophesied from the lineage of David. Christ was a man and continues to be a man, it is what the apostles preached.

"Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus,[b] delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25 For David says concerning him,

“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption."

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"

The fact that Israel was chosen as a nation was a part of a worldwide plan. God disinherited the nations at Babel and Yahweh retained Israel as his inheritance to bring forth his plan giving the other nation over to be ruled by other divine beings. Abraham was a pagan living in Ur but chose to obey God who chose to make a covenant with him and his descendants as his chosen people.
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Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9 For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
12 So the Lord alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him."

Those rulers are the principalities that are pronounced judgement upon later on, It is the reason why Satan has dominion over all other nations. It's a legal problem.
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."

The only way in which the gentiles could be brought into the portion of God's people is integration into Israel. The representative of God go between has been established by Christ which is why it's mandatory to profess him as such, God has made him lord because of his obedience unto death.

The Purpose of his death was to loose man from the curse placed on him from disobedience in the Garden. The curse of death.
Man became a corrupted being subject to decay and death.
The transgression of the one law brought death as decreed by God. When God gave the law to Israel it came to bring knowledge of sin. Forgiveness is not the issue here, forgiveness can't save man from what he put himself under.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Christ's greater sacrifice wasn't about his death, it was about his obedience. Abraham's righteousness was imputed to him because of his obedience and faith. Yet his death and shedding of blood was necessary for establishing the new covenant. The concept of sacrifice appeared when God killed animals for Adam's sake and establishment of Abraham's covenant with several animals. The blood of Christ established the new covenant not only for Israel but for all men, the bringing in of the Gentiles into God's plan for salvation.
Much of the ideas you have about Christian concepts are misrepresented, here's a short discussion about it, http://drmsh.com/part-3-bloodless-atone ... ification/
Entire dissertations have been written on the subject as a plan so grand requires it. You're looking at modern Christianity and casting judgement on their system of belief due to their inability to explain precepts that God put in place that had to satisfied. And while it's true, the method is sound at the end of the day and in this regard they are right.

The ONLY way salvation comes is through God's mediator, Yeshua the messiah. Outside of him, you're a part of the disinherited nations given over to the other 'gods'.

When other old world societies and religions teach to preserve the environment and live with nature, and to learn and understand how nature works. Christianity of today, teaches that the only good knowledge is from the bible, and anything else is useless, expect that to use it to ur own profit as u have dominion over everything, and so entitled everything in nature. It doesn't teach to be in harmony with nature, but to be dominant. Especially as the bible has where Jesus cursed a fig tree to death, because it didn't give him fruits.

It tells u the only thing that is important is to be a nice Christian and forget about other knowledge, as it will, lead u Away from salvation.

As far as this is concerned, again... contextually incorrect conclusions formed from impressions, personal emotions and half assed exegesis.

The bible says the observation of nature proves God, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse."
It also enforces the work of rigid science, " Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
In fact there are entire ministries formed by astrophysicists that study astronomy to show God's work in it.

[sMASH]

For he so loved the world he killed his son... that is the lengths he went to help save us... but can't see fit to give the starving in Africa food to eat... and still allows the christian believer to get raped.
But don't despair, he loves u still. Keep those alms and tithes flowing.

No wonder why they call him the shepherd in ur book, cause u all are sheep.
Dumb deaf and blind to common sense.

[eitech]

For he so loved the world he killed his son... that is the lengths he went to help save us... but can't see fit to give the starving in Africa food to eat... and still allows the christian believer to get raped.
But don't despair, he loves u still. Keep those alms and tithes flowing.

No wonder why they call him the shepherd in ur book, cause u all are sheep.
Dumb deaf and blind to common sense.

1 Corinthians 2:14 KJVS
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.

You are the natural man that is referred to here. So keep misquoting and mis interpreting cuz u will be wrong each time.

[Slartibartfast]

Not feeling to read through the pages I missed. Can someone give me a brief summary?

Did anyone disprove my divinity as yet?

I wonder if I will get a reply now. Or are you guys still against answering questions directly?

Well if u say u r God, i would have to obey ur instructions in any case.

2 Timothy 2:23 KJVS
[23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

And you who claim to be God would be disappointed if i disobeyed....

I agree. You are a disappointment; but not because you disobeyed me. You seem to have forgotten that I gave you free will.

For those of you that do not get it as yet, I am showing that just because something cannot be disproved does not mean it is true. If that was the case then I am God because nobody can prove that I am not.

Therefore, before beginning to argue for any religion you must first prove that God exists. That mean give something for which divine intervention is the only plausible explanation. However, you must be careful not attribute something to divine intervention just because there is currently no explanation for it (like evolution, big bang, etc.)

But don'e worry, lack of proof is only a problem for religions that believe there is a /are god/s.

[sMASH]

Spiritually discerned...
I like the word discerned.

[eitech]

Not feeling to read through the pages I missed. Can someone give me a brief summary?

Did anyone disprove my divinity as yet?

I wonder if I will get a reply now. Or are you guys still against answering questions directly?

Well if u say u r God, i would have to obey ur instructions in any case.

2 Timothy 2:23 KJVS
[23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

And you who claim to be God would be disappointed if i disobeyed....

I agree. You are a disappointment; but not because you disobeyed me. You seem to have forgotten that I gave you free will.

Lol natural man.

[Slartibartfast]

Not feeling to read through the pages I missed. Can someone give me a brief summary?

Did anyone disprove my divinity as yet?

I wonder if I will get a reply now. Or are you guys still against answering questions directly?

Well if u say u r God, i would have to obey ur instructions in any case.

2 Timothy 2:23 KJVS
[23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

And you who claim to be God would be disappointed if i disobeyed....

I agree. You are a disappointment; but not because you disobeyed me. You seem to have forgotten that I gave you free will.

Lol natural man.

Lol... b!tch

[meccalli]

For he so loved the world he killed his son... that is the lengths he went to help save us... but can't see fit to give the starving in Africa food to eat... and still allows the christian believer to get raped.
But don't despair, he loves u still. Keep those alms and tithes flowing.

No wonder why they call him the shepherd in ur book, cause u all are sheep.
Dumb deaf and blind to common sense.

Christ suffered and died at the hands of wicked men just as many Christians today suffer and die for his cause at the hands of followers of Allah and muhammad, they murder, rape and commit suicide at the expense of others because of their common sense. The muslims who were dumb, deaf and blind left this island to go wage war for Allah's cause. It's common sense that prevents the rest from following suit at the expense of disobedience.
The world is the way it is because of men's own actions. He has provided a way out, men are free to choose whether they want it or not. It's their loss to reject a free gift.
In fact there's popular Islamic teachers on youtube who were hailed by muslims only to be disappointed and cursed by them when he left common sense to become dumb, deaf and blind.


Bt, tithing is part of the old covenant. It was essentially a tax to allow the levites/priests to sustain their functions and to ensure the poor were always fed. Under the new covenant we're lead to give out of a free will to do so.
The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[d] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency[e] in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work. 9 As it is written,

“He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor;
his righteousness endures forever.”

[sMASH]

Not feeling to read through the pages I missed. Can someone give me a brief summary?

Did anyone disprove my divinity as yet?

I wonder if I will get a reply now. Or are you guys still against answering questions directly?

Well if u say u r God, i would have to obey ur instructions in any case.

2 Timothy 2:23 KJVS
[23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

And you who claim to be God would be disappointed if i disobeyed....

I agree. You are a disappointment; but not because you disobeyed me. You seem to have forgotten that I gave you free will.

For those of you that do not get it as yet, I am showing that just because something cannot be disproved does not mean it is true. If that was the case then I am God because nobody can prove that I am not.

Therefore, before beginning to argue for any religion you must first prove that God exists. That mean give something for which divine intervention is the only plausible explanation. However, you must be careful not attribute something to divine intervention just because there is currently no explanation for it (like evolution, big bang, etc.)

But don'e worry, lack of proof is only a problem for religions that believe there is a /are god/s.

If some one is being honest, they can neither prove the existence of god or gods, or disprove their existence.

But how Christians make god our to be, as this very yearning, loving being who's only focus in all of creation is man. He made things so big and things so small that they are staggeringly incomprehensible.
Yet his only focus is to get u to heaven, but he can't. So he had to kill his son to repay a debt. Because man took something that he wasn't supposed to take.

That whole story is laughable. And easy for a an atheist to dismiss.


What I gather from Islam about 'god' is that he said to don't bother to figure him out, as we cannot begin to understand a hint like that. We were not made in his image. But were given choice to do things either good or bad. Because of that intelligence we have a responsibility to take care of what we have around us.

What is good in the world and bad, everything we know of and do not know, is from god. The devil cannot do anything that isn't allowed by god.
It is the all powerful being that created everything we know and do not know.

One if the names or attributes if god is that of the creator. It could be the thing that started the big bang, or the thing that started the thing that causes all th3. It bangs.

We cannot begin to understand a being like that, so don't even bother. We were not made in his likeness or image. Cause it is a being that is beyond our ability con conceptualize.


When people wrote in the bible that god created man in his image, that is weak people trying to come to terms with their own insignificance by humanizing god, so that what ever controls all the forces in the world, will feel sorry for them and let them not cause terrible rains, it snows, or droughts, or famine, or plagues, or rival attackers.


That what they need to console each other by saying 'god loves you'.


God doesn't need to love you. A being that can create a safe of matter where the subatomic particles can be so compressed that they exist partially in each other, has no need for u or ur love Of him/it.

God can kill u, remove u from existence, and bring u back to exactly what u was as if u never died.

Such a creative force doesn't need ur praise, does need u in heaven, doesn't need u saved, doesn't need a debt to be paid, doesn't need to kill his son, doesn't need a son.


All he needs to do say way to forgiven and ur forgiven. U are in heaven and u would be in heaven, u are in hell and u would be in hell, u are a frog and u would be a frog.




Come to terms with ur own insignificance and ur own finality.

[eitech]

Not feeling to read through the pages I missed. Can someone give me a brief summary?

Did anyone disprove my divinity as yet?

I wonder if I will get a reply now. Or are you guys still against answering questions directly?

Well if u say u r God, i would have to obey ur instructions in any case.

2 Timothy 2:23 KJVS
[23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

And you who claim to be God would be disappointed if i disobeyed....

I agree. You are a disappointment; but not because you disobeyed me. You seem to have forgotten that I gave you free will.

For those of you that do not get it as yet, I am showing that just because something cannot be disproved does not mean it is true. If that was the case then I am God because nobody can prove that I am not.

Therefore, before beginning to argue for any religion you must first prove that God exists. That mean give something for which divine intervention is the only plausible explanation. However, you must be careful not attribute something to divine intervention just because there is currently no explanation for it (like evolution, big bang, etc.)

But don'e worry, lack of proof is only a problem for religions that believe there is a /are god/s.

Jesus walked the earth, did many miracles, rose from the dead, all his actions were seen by men and yet ppl still not believe. What makes you think if proof of god was shown to you that u would believe? Nothin new is under the sun. That is why it says faith comes by hearing , and hearing by the word of god.

Not proof of seeing. But ur natural man mind is too blinded to see that.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJVS
[3] But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The truth is u have no real intention to know God or prove that he exists to yourself. So you will always remain blind no matter what.

No sense continuing in a merry go round with u fellas. I do like the hilarious reasonings though. Continue.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Jesus walked the earth, did many miracles, rose from the dead, all his actions were seen by men and yet ppl still not believe. What makes you think if proof of god was shown to you that u would believe? Nothin new is under the sun. That is why it says faith comes by hearing , and hearing by the word of god.

We also hear of Buddhism and Islam and Hinduism and Judaism.

[sMASH]

U believe that god killed his son. That is polytheism.

[meccalli]

U believe that god killed his son. That is polytheism.

Clearly I wasted my time writing a response if you won't read even the first sentence. I guess that's that's considered common sense. Must be how deaf, dumb and blind theology works and how it's perpetuated. Talk about monologist rhetoric.

No Jew ever believed that the messiah was God nor intended to be some form of God. The messiah was a man prophesied from the lineage of David. Christ was a man and continues to be a man, it is what the apostles preached.

[sMASH]

U believe that god killed his son. That is polytheism.

Clearly I wasted my time writing a response if you won't read even the first sentence. I guess that's that's considered common sense. Must be how deaf, dumb and blind theology works and how it's perpetuated. Talk about monologist rhetoric.

No Jew ever believed that the messiah was God nor intended to be some form of God. The messiah was a man prophesied from the lineage of David. Christ was a man and continues to be a man, it is what the apostles preached.

Many apologies. Literally didn't see that post. I'm on my tab, and it skipped to the following.
It's only because u quoted part of it, I saw that i didn't come across it, and went back until I found it.

It's a nice explanation, and will check out the link later.

The reason why I say 'modern Christians' is bbecause Muslims believe that there were followers of Jesus who didn't believe that he was son of god or god on earth. That he was just a prophet. We believe that some of the jews accepted him as the Christ. Some didn't.
As time went by, different thing came up, and he became the son of god as the stories got retold. And then that became the decided story.

So, jews who accept him as the Christ will still not believe that he was god, of God's son.



But are u a christian or a jew?

[eitech]

Lol. Man asked the same question yes.

When the "church" was now formed they were first called christians because it was one group of one accord , of one doctrine. As time went by different interpretations came about and there was division. So now we have pentecosts, sda, catholics and d list goes on. But all these are referred to as christians which is incorrect cuz their doctrines/ teachings are very different. They might proclaim to follow the teachings of the apostles but dey do not rightly divide the word. Some believe in sabbath, some believe in reverence to mary and so on. So whenever anyone asks "r u a christian?" I reply what is a christian. The word has out lived its use. We live in the dispensation of "whoever" now. Thats why John 3:16 says "whosoever believeth in him.." not pentecost, jew, sda, catholitc....etc

Also, there is neither bond nor free, male or female, greek or jew in christ...

His grace is for all, not a particular ppl

When ppl look at "christians" now the whole bunch is divided and hence u find atheists having a field day with the contradicting interpretations.

There is one truth and i found it. Christ did say there are few that find it. He never said it would be easy but it is there for all. Once u have the truth u not gonna waste ur time with anything else. The devil did a marvelous job at convincing the masses of the world that God is not real. He is the father of lies. But the most lies are being told in the twisting of the gospel via "christians" and/or religious groups. Hence, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but principalities, spiritual wickedness in high places.

[bluesclues]

U also seem confused. Saying one thing and then quoting things which contradict you, then trying to spin it to mean and support what u want it to mean.
What spirit goes unto God?
What second birth is possible in an immortal and transformed body made of divine light? What is second death? What is 'to kill him, but killed him not, for he was ascended into heaven?

Blues, again I'll tell you your new age theology has no basis in scripture. Reading into the text what you'd like to believe is eisegetical.

Anybody that says that they received God's light, or has the holy ghost on them, or walks in the light of god, or is born again, are all ignorant monolougists.

All the knowledge that they have, is all the knowledge that is necessary. They don't want to know more.
When u show them inconsistencies in their own bible, they say Jesus put the bible in them and they have it spiritually.


God doesn't need a son, he doesn't have to pay any debt, and there is no such thing as original sin.

Good day, sir.

Then you ought to point it out here, because Islam claims to believe in the prophets and Jesus Christ.
The spirit was promised to men several times in antiquity,

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

And so was the sonship of a prophesied son of David as God's son.
2 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

Sure God doesn't need sons but he has created them and many of them I should add. The bene ha elohim are the sons of God in Genesis and Job as divine beings, Human beings such as Adam was a son of God and so was Christ. And now all of us who are led by the spirit.

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,"

There are 2 frms of new age. The old new age which has been around since the 80s which predominantly consists of catwomen and crystal chasers.

Then there is bluesclues chakra ascendency which consists of walking the path of the sephirot and mastering all of the elements therein to achieve keter illumination.

Which one are you speaking about?

[meccalli]

So, jews who accept him as the Christ will still not believe that he was god, of God's son.

But are u a christian or a jew?

A jew is a heritage matter.
I'm a Christian. The term God's son is used in an eschatological fashion to denote the messiah.
Solomon was called God's son. The king of Israel held the unique position of God's representative on earth and was annointed to that hold that position. That's what the term messiah means, the annointed one.
That was Peter's revelation, "Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God!"
It doesn't imply a pre existent spirit being who was God's ethereal son.
Jesus shares in a unique claim not only in this regard but also in another due to God's role in his conception. In a physical sense, Jesus was the son of God in the same creative fashion of Adam as a result of his direct intervention. he came into existence just as any one of us, at conception.

[meccalli]

Which one are you speaking about?

Doesn't matter. Same blavatsky and bailey nonsense.

[bluesclues]

Which one are you speaking about?

Doesn't matter. Same blavatsky and bailey nonsense.

U not sure.

I didnt learn anything from blavatsky. And i dont even know who is bailey. I learned what i know and am 'sure' about from achieving the light of keter after passing thru daath and coming out alive and knowing death.

But what do i know right? Carry on pal i not arguing. I say what i say. Take it or leave it.

[meccalli]

I learned what i know and am 'sure' about from achieving the light of keter after passing thru daath and coming out alive and knowing death.

Like I said, same nonsense -both bailey and blavatsky based most of their work on eastern and jewish mysticism and kabbalah in particular.

[bluesclues]

I learned what i know and am 'sure' about from achieving the light of keter after passing thru daath and coming out alive and knowing death.

Like I said, same nonsense -both bailey and blavatsky based most of their work on eastern and jewish mysticism and kabbalah in particular.

Well maybe you should teach us all the intricate details of spirituality. Since you already blessed by God to understand all the mysteries man has struggled with for centuries.

I want to know how to become blessed like u. Guide us oh knowledgeable one.

I am especially interested in the part where jewish mysticism is different from christian, muslim hindu and buddhist mysticism. Id like to know what the difference is. And why they are all irrelevant.

Teach us knowledgeable one.