The Religion Discussion

[bluesclues]

^Thats funny. Because i havent told u anything that isnt in all of the texts from christianity to hinduism to buddhism.

I find those ridiculous also. ..but your particular weaving of these stories ranks high up there. Answer these for me, I'd like to hear your take...

1. Doesn't Jesus being resurrected kind of nullify the whole point of 'dying' for our sins? What was the sacrifice there exactly?

Nope. He died exactly for that what im telling u. To show us that we sin to sustain the body, when we should be sacrificing to sustain the spirit.

2. If our souls possess our consciousness, how come it doesn't take over when Alzheimer's and dementia start kicking in?

Because the soul let the mind deteriorate. I know ppl 80 and 90 with no memory problems and they still move around strong. They will tell u about how they pray to God for health and strength and long life.

3. If I know better, create imperfect beings, neglect to teach them myself (because the Bible should have come with Adam and Eve) how can I turn around and constantly threaten them with fates worse than death for stuff that I knew was going to happen, let happen and remained hidden the whole time?

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Maybe u dont know better.

Man by and large neglected God. Remember u have free will. If u dont want him around he will leave. And so he did. Its all in the story. We even killed his miracle working son to prove it. God's plan is thus not to reveal himself but for u to come and find him if u want him.

But in endgame all will be revealed.

For me, God is not hidden
For me i was taught by God who held my hand as i learned. I didnt need adam and eve

It is so for many people learning and evolving at their own rate. So if its not going on with you u must be doing something wrong. Or perhaps unable to see and count ur blessing attributing them to their rightful source.

I find God's participation in my life to be quite sufficient. And this is judging all even in my young years before i became enlightened. I find the bible to be sufficient, the gita, the quran etc are all sufficient in teaching u how to build a relationship with an invisible all powerful ceo of this universe..

Do u use iphone? Why when steve jobs was alive u didnt walk into an iphone outlet and demand that he come down and personally see to the repair of ur iphone when it broke? Is steve jobs a lowly sales rep or technician that he must come at your beck and call? Or is it you that if it is deemed important enough to YOU, will make it your business to find a way to go and see him.

[brainchild]

Firstly, it's not death if you come back and visit friends after, so no real sacrifice there.

Secondly, I obviously wasn't talking about ppl who don't suffer from Alzheimer's which include ppl who believe in gods and those who don't. So you didn't answer that one.

Thirdly, free will my ass. You can't claim to know the beginning and the end and still talk about free will. Destroy Sodom for homosexuality and Gomorrah for no stated reason, have Moses give his army more than 150,000 young girls after pillaging their city for living in the wrong place...and the list goes on.

Understandable free will would be creating ppl and leaving one INDESTRUCTIBLE book of rules, written by God himself and checking back in a million years to see who was naughty and who was nice. Real free will would be creation with no further intervention at all.

[bluesclues]

Firstly, it's not death if you come back and visit friends after, so no real sacrifice there.

Exactly.

Secondly, I obviously wasn't talking about ppl who don't suffer from Alzheimer's which include ppl who believe in gods

Not everyone is awarded what they ask for from God. Sacrifice also has a major part to play. When one shows a yearning for God and spiritual awareness, they are detaching from desire. And thus the suffering that comes with the inability to obtain all their material desires. This is the way it works. U want spiritual blessing from God, what do u offer for trade? Do u assist in his goal for human kind? Did u sacrifice something for the God in another?(namaste)

Ill tell u a secret. The sacrifice christ made was for the whole world. A very grand sacrifice.

Ask yourself. If put in the position, being tested by God, and asked if you are willing to die so that the whole human race can be saved. What would be your choice.

I was put to that test. And with the grim reaper standing over my head with his sickle... i said yes. Save them and take me if it will work and end suffering in this world.

Then much to my surprise, the grim reaper faded, the Holy spirit took it's place and i experienced the lifegiving death.

Are u prepared to make that sacrifice for God's creation?

[bluesclues]

On my way up i made little sacrifices too. Personal sacrifices, not smoking or drinking for a month. Not ea5ing meat which we all so love the taste of. Things that all the flesh desires make for good sacrifice in offering to God to initiate and build a relationship. Charity, forgiveness, heroism are also all good things which the God of this world respects and empowers those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

The key to God's approval lies in this....


The Selfless Act.

[bluesclues]

Count u blessings, because that... is a big secret.

[brainchild]

On my way up i made little sacrifices too. Personal sacrifices, not smoking or drinking for a month. Not ea5ing meat which we all so love the taste of. Things that all the flesh desires make for good sacrifice in offering to God to initiate and build a relationship. Charity, forgiveness, heroism are also all good things which the God of this world respects and empowers those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

Well it's clear you made sacrifices...you sacrificed your common sense, not sure what you received in exchange though.

[bluesclues]

On my way up i made little sacrifices too. Personal sacrifices, not smoking or drinking for a month. Not ea5ing meat which we all so love the taste of. Things that all the flesh desires make for good sacrifice in offering to God to initiate and build a relationship. Charity, forgiveness, heroism are also all good things which the God of this world respects and empowers those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

Well it's clear you made sacrifices...you sacrificed your common sense, not sure what you received in exchange though.

If u say so.

Dont worry, what i received in exchange was well worth it. As far as im concerned, i walked away from this deal a winner. And i can say this almost 10 yrs later.

[brainchild]

On my way up i made little sacrifices too. Personal sacrifices, not smoking or drinking for a month. Not ea5ing meat which we all so love the taste of. Things that all the flesh desires make for good sacrifice in offering to God to initiate and build a relationship. Charity, forgiveness, heroism are also all good things which the God of this world respects and empowers those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

Well it's clear you made sacrifices...you sacrificed your common sense, not sure what you received in exchange though.

If u say so.

Dont worry, what i received in exchange was well worth it. As far as im concerned, i walked away from this deal a winner.

Lemme put it like this...if i have 6 billion dollars in the bank to use as I please, but 300 in my pocket. I see a family rendered homeless after losing their home because of a fire and proceed to dip in my pocket give them the cash and walk away. Does this make me the kindest man in the world?

A man cannot die, come back to life, rub it in everyone's face n then catch a direct flight to heaven, while telling everyone he died for their sins so they can have a chance to beg for forgiveness, die n stay dead till judgement then...maybe,just maybe make it to heaven. Not sure how all the people that existed prior to the commandments are going to be judged though.

[brainchild]

On my way up i made little sacrifices too. Personal sacrifices, not smoking or drinking for a month. Not ea5ing meat which we all so love the taste of. Things that all the flesh desires make for good sacrifice in offering to God to initiate and build a relationship. Charity, forgiveness, heroism are also all good things which the God of this world respects and empowers those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

Well it's clear you made sacrifices...you sacrificed your common sense, not sure what you received in exchange though.

If u say so.

Dont worry, what i received in exchange was well worth it. As far as im concerned, i walked away from this deal a winner. And i can say this almost 10 yrs later.

So you admit to sacrificing your common sense. ..ok then, mystery solved.

[bluesclues]

On my way up i made little sacrifices too. Personal sacrifices, not smoking or drinking for a month. Not ea5ing meat which we all so love the taste of. Things that all the flesh desires make for good sacrifice in offering to God to initiate and build a relationship. Charity, forgiveness, heroism are also all good things which the God of this world respects and empowers those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

Well it's clear you made sacrifices...you sacrificed your common sense, not sure what you received in exchange though.

If u say so.

Dont worry, what i received in exchange was well worth it. As far as im concerned, i walked away from this deal a winner.

Lemme put it like this...if i have 6 billion dollars in the bank to use as I please, but 300 in my pocket. I see a family rendered homeless after losing their home because of a fire and proceed to dip in my pocket give them the cash and walk away. Does this make me the kindest man in the world?

A man cannot die, come back to life, rub it in everyone's face n then catch a direct flight to heaven, while telling everyone he died for their sins so they can have a chance to beg for forgiveness, die n stay dead till judgement then...maybe,just maybe make it to heaven. Not sure how all the people that existed prior to the commandments are going to be judged though.

Much u dont understand getting tied up in the story.

No it will not make u the kindest man in the world as others do this sort of thing. What it will do is contribute to the development and maturity of ur heart and solar plexus chakra wheels. This is the growth of not logical intelligence.. but.. emotional intelligence. Have u ever heard of it? Yes well it is a real thing. So much so that intelligent quoteint tests are now being structured to include emotional intelligence testing.

Every religious lesson taught and every moral if sufficiently learned and also practiced, contributes to the development of ur 7 chakras. Charity develops the heart. Forgiveness elevates the root which is responsible for base animal instinct. This is why you may find many humans still act like wild animals... because they are function only on root chakra or sometimes a combination of root and sacral chakras. So their concerns in life are limited to, territorialism/fighting/violence... and sex and basal material desires with the main interest of preserving their body. And they dont care how many ppl they hurt to do it.

Such is the way of the path highlighted by the 10 sephirot of judaic teaching.

[bluesclues]

On my way up i made little sacrifices too. Personal sacrifices, not smoking or drinking for a month. Not ea5ing meat which we all so love the taste of. Things that all the flesh desires make for good sacrifice in offering to God to initiate and build a relationship. Charity, forgiveness, heroism are also all good things which the God of this world respects and empowers those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

Well it's clear you made sacrifices...you sacrificed your common sense, not sure what you received in exchange though.

If u say so.

Dont worry, what i received in exchange was well worth it. As far as im concerned, i walked away from this deal a winner. And i can say this almost 10 yrs later.

So you admit to sacrificing your common sense. ..ok then, mystery solved.

If ur comprehesion has guided u to take that from what ive said.. then yes. I sacrificed my common sense and now i have none.

[bluesclues]

You are not the only one that can be sarcastic and cynical


Let common sense prevail.

[brainchild]

You are not the only one that can be sarcastic and cynical


Let common sense prevail.

I commend you for being open-minded enough to include other religious teachings in your beliefs. Hopefully one day you'll take it a step further n look at all these things rationally.

[eitech]

jus to add my $0.02, jesus died a physical death. when his blood was shed, that was the sacrifice. when he was resurrected, he didnt get back his original physical body. his new body was not of flesh and blood. without d shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

[crock101]

Chakras .....really.....you do realize that naruto is just a cartoon right.....you really will believe anything won't you?...well except for evidence based arguments.......
Chakras.....lmao

[bluesclues]

Chakras .....really.....you do realize that naruto is just a cartoon right.....you really will believe anything won't you?...well except for evidence based arguments.......
Chakras.....lmao

Yes.. chakras... lmao

[brainchild]

jus to add my $0.02, jesus died a physical death. when his blood was shed, that was the sacrifice. when he was resurrected, he didnt get back his original physical body. his new body was not of flesh and blood. without d shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

You serious? So why wasn't the old body in the tomb? I never get why ppl run with these interpretations from priests,pastors etc. The book, in all its wild claims and contradictions never said anything about that, so clearly you heard that somewhere and agreed without question.

[bluesclues]

jus to add my $0.02, jesus died a physical death. when his blood was shed, that was the sacrifice. when he was resurrected, he didnt get back his original physical body. his new body was not of flesh and blood. without d shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

You serious? So why wasn't the old body in the tomb? I never get why ppl run with these interpretations from priests,pastors etc. The book, in all its wild claims and contradictions never said anything about that, so clearly you heard that somewhere and agreed without question.

The body was ins in a tomb? Show me the tomb. And the body therein.

[brainchild]

jus to add my $0.02, jesus died a physical death. when his blood was shed, that was the sacrifice. when he was resurrected, he didnt get back his original physical body. his new body was not of flesh and blood. without d shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

You serious? So why wasn't the old body in the tomb? I never get why ppl run with these interpretations from priests,pastors etc. The book, in all its wild claims and contradictions never said anything about that, so clearly you heard that somewhere and agreed without question.

The body was ins in a tomb? Show me the tomb. And the body therein.

Luke 24:2-3 “And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they went in they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.”

[eitech]

jus to add my $0.02, jesus died a physical death. when his blood was shed, that was the sacrifice. when he was resurrected, he didnt get back his original physical body. his new body was not of flesh and blood. without d shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

You serious? So why wasn't the old body in the tomb? I never get why ppl run with these interpretations from priests,pastors etc. The book, in all its wild claims and contradictions never said anything about that, so clearly you heard that somewhere and agreed without question.

When jesus died his spirit went to be with the Father. When he was resurrected in three days, his spirit reunited with his glorified new body, which was in fact his old body transformed. his new body was not of flesh and blood.

when the rapture occurs what do you think happens? thos who r dead in christ will the Lord bring and they will be re united with their new glorified bodies. those who r alive will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye

1 Corinthians 15:50-54 KJVS
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
same thing that happened to christ will happen to the believers.

[brainchild]

Yea...you just confirmed someone interpreted that for you and you never bothered to ask where the old body went...smh

[eitech]

Yea...you just confirmed someone interpreted that for you and you never bothered to ask where the old body went...smh

you speaking to me?

[bluesclues]

jus to add my $0.02, jesus died a physical death. when his blood was shed, that was the sacrifice. when he was resurrected, he didnt get back his original physical body. his new body was not of flesh and blood. without d shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin.

You serious? So why wasn't the old body in the tomb? I never get why ppl run with these interpretations from priests,pastors etc. The book, in all its wild claims and contradictions never said anything about that, so clearly you heard that somewhere and agreed without question.

The body was ins in a tomb? Show me the tomb. And the body therein.

Luke 24:2-3 “And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they went in they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.”

So when u read this. It confirmed for u that jesus body is in a tomb, and he did not rise to heaven where in Godly status made him able to manifest a new body made of light. Proving as was mentioned... that he did not really die even though his flesh gave up the ghost?

[brainchild]

Just like you probably never questioned why a king would need his own version of the Bible, why were so many things that didn't exist in the previous version added to this new one e.g. the he who cast the first stone story. ..look it up. Why the old testament, after being burned when Jerusalem was under seige reappeared mysteriously in the middle of king Solomon's temple, found by Ezra a few hundred years later when no one could confirm if the information coincided with that of the original.

[bluesclues]

Just like you probably never questioned why a king would need his own version of the Bible, why were so many things that didn't exist in the previous version added to this new one e.g. the he who cast the first stone story. ..look it up. Why the old testament, after being burned when Jerusalem was under seige reappeared mysteriously in the middle of king Solomon's temple, found by Ezra a few hundred years later when no one could confirm if the information coincided with that of the original.

The bible is not for the king. It is for you and all. Even he has to follow the instructions or he will get naught for spiritual reward. He is even greater afflicted if a bad ruler/leader who is respnsible for the wellbion of millions/billions.

[eitech]

wait wait wait. d man change to another story. lol

[bluesclues]

wait wait wait. d man change to another story. lol

Yes he has plenty issue which cause conflict in his mind for understanding and clarity. As a result he has many doubts which are due to his lack of understanding. He wants to get thru them all in one sitting. But i will remind him that it is better to deal with one issue at a time and attempt to reach full clarity.

Ask and i will answer

[brainchild]

wait wait wait. d man change to another story. lol

Dude...I still waiting to see the passage about the second body and the whereabouts of the first.

[bluesclues]

wait wait wait. d man change to another story. lol

Dude...I still waiting to see the passage about the second body and the whereabouts of the first.

Read ACTS 1. And then tell me if Jesus' body is in a tomb.

[brainchild]

wait wait wait. d man change to another story. lol

Dude...I still waiting to see the passage about the second body and the whereabouts of the first.

Read ACTS 1. And then tell me if Jesus' body is in a tomb.

So what you saying is that passage from luke was a lie or mistaken? Acts have the real story?