DIVALI 2012

[DFC]

Free to the Public.

[WetR]

An eight member Bhojpuri Dance and Music Group from India is here for Diwali celbrations.

They performed tonight at the Divali Nagar, it was amazing.

Amazing because the native language for most of our Indian Ancestors, is Bhojpuri, which is a dialect form of Hindustani . To hear true bhojpuri in its original form, gave me an epiphany.
From this performance, you can clearly see where Chutney and what we term Classical Indian Singing" has its origins.

I met with the performers today after their performance and i had a really nice talk about Life in Uttar Pradesh and one of the performers came from the same area as my ancestors did, so it was really nice to link with him.

We are generations apart but still share common ancestry.

So come on guys, this is something to take in and appreciate.

They will be performing Thursday, Saturday and Monday at Divali Nagar.

And Sunday @ LRC auditorium in UWI @ 5.pm.

well stated. i'm interested.

[Sumana.00]

Everyone should also go see Quincy dance, everyone was spell bound

Indian classical dancer Quincy Kendall Charles has travelled a long way from his home at Lajpat Nagar, New Delhi, India, to perform at Divali Nagar 2012 on November 5 and 12. But performance wasn’t the only thing that brought him to T&T. Charles is a son of the soil and wants to give back to his homeland.

Born in rural Mayaro, he says he had a love affair with Indian dance ever since he could remember. Coming from a family that shares a mixed ethnic heritage and growing up in a community with a blend of local cultures, Charles says Indian dance was not new to him.

His early introduction to Indian film dance was under the tutelage of local dancer Michael Salickram. It was during that time he says he felt a divine calling to explore a higher form of dance and began an eight-month dance course under Kathak teacher Susan Mohip, of the Sangeet Mahividyalaya.

Charles eventually left T&T and graduated with first class honours from the New Delhi, India-based Kathak Kendra under the guidance of Pundit Guru Jai Kishan Maharaj, whom he promised he would dance until he dies. He has also trained with Pundit Birju Maharaj, Jayashree Achayra, Saraswati Sen, Shankar Ray and Sushmita Gosh. He has performed at several venues in Europe and the UK, including the Golden Jubilee celebrations of Queen Elizabeth at Buckingham Palace, London.

Charles now runs the Black Diamond International Dance Company.

He says he is convinced T&T has a lot to offer and could prove itself a shining example of what the world seeks to achieve when it comes to harmony and unity.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/entertainment ... ll-he-dies

http://www.newsday.co.tt/features/0,168753.html

[WetR]

^^i saw him dance earlier this week. it was a really lengthy performance also. not the most graceful dance i've seen, but definitely a conversation piece! but we need more of this activity.

[crazybalhead]

paper....sohari.....leaf???? WHAT MANNER OF SORCERY IS THAT???

[AllTrac]

wah kindda chamar thing going on in here? paper soohari? Indian classical dancer Quincy Kendall Charles ? ative language for most of our Indian Ancestors, is Bhojpuri?
sucks to be you all.

[maj. tom]

I doubt that most Indian indentured laborers came from the Bihar region of India or spoke Bhojpuri.
The people of the northern regions of India have fairer skin due to their climatic evolution, and the majority of Indian laborers that came to Trinidad would have been of lower castes and darker skin from the British capital of Calcutta and Bengal regions and other regions like Brahmapur and maybe as far south as Madras and Pondicherry.

The fairer skinned Indian people would generally have a higher standing in the caste system as Vaisyas (merchants, craftsmen, herders) while darker skinned people would have been the lowest caste Sudras (laborers, workers servants), and these higher caste indentured workers would have claimed that they were of even higher castes (Bramins - priests, holy men and Kshatriyas - warriors) when they stepped off the ships in Trinidad. Very obscure in history since the registering British Officers here would not have been speaking Indian languages. The migration of people from this region in India also explains the simultaneous occurrence of Islam and Hinduism in one boatload of indentured labourers.

A lot of hindi words that those older folks and your great-grandmother used to speak are Bengali/Urdu hindi or a common hindi mixed dialect of that region in India. The majority of hindi words for the spices we use in Trinidad are the Bengali and Urdu names such as methi (fenugreek), gorom masala, amchur, gur (jaggery), jeera (cumin), elaichi (cardamom), haldi (tumeric).

[shake d livin wake d dead]

real sohari leaf ftw !!

fixed

[Sumana.00]

^^i saw him dance earlier this week. it was a really lengthy performance also. not the most graceful dance i've seen, but definitely a conversation piece! but we need more of this activity.

As a classical Indian dancer, I think he's very graceful and was well impressed by his technique

[Sumana.00]

wah kindda chamar thing going on in here? paper soohari? Indian classical dancer Quincy Kendall Charles ? ative language for most of our Indian Ancestors, is Bhojpuri?
sucks to be you all.

Pepper roadie later o wa

[DFC]

I doubt that most Indian indentured laborers came from the Bihar region of India or spoke Bhojpuri.
The people of the northern regions of India have fairer skin due to their climatic evolution, and the majority of Indian laborers that came to Trinidad would have been of lower castes and darker skin from the British capital of Calcutta and Bengal regions and other regions like Brahmapur and maybe as far south as Madras and Pondicherry.

The fairer skinned Indian people would generally have a higher standing in the caste system as Vaisyas (merchants, craftsmen, herders) while darker skinned people would have been the lowest caste Sudras (laborers, workers servants), and these higher caste indentured workers would have claimed that they were of even higher castes (Bramins - priests, holy men and Kshatriyas - warriors) when they stepped off the ships in Trinidad. Very obscure in history since the registering British Officers here would not have been speaking Indian languages. The migration of people from this region in India also explains the simultaneous occurrence of Islam and Hinduism in one boatload of indentured labourers.

A lot of hindi words that those older folks and your great-grandmother used to speak are Bengali/Urdu hindi or a common hindi mixed dialect of that region in India. The majority of hindi words for the spices we use in Trinidad are the Bengali and Urdu names such as methi (fenugreek), gorom masala, amchur, gur (jaggery), jeera (cumin), elaichi (cardamom), haldi (tumeric).

Bengali Urdu?? No, that quite incorrect.


Bengali, is a derivative of the Pali language with alot of Sanskrit influence. Bengali , according to wikipedia, is native to the region of eastern South Asia known as Bengal, which comprises present day Bangladesh, the Indian state of West Bengal, and parts of the Indian states of Tripura and Assam.

Urdu (from wikipedia) developed under the influence of Persian, Arabic, and Turkic languages over the course of almost 900 years.Urdu is mutually intelligible with Standard Hindi spoken in India. Both languages share the same Indo-Aryan base and are so similar in phonology and grammar that they appear to be one language.

Classical Hindi came from Sanskrit , but with Urdu Influences, there came about the popular mix called Hindustani. Alot of Bollywood films and music are Hindustani.


But a Bengali- Urdu mix? Highly Unlikely. Maybe you meant Hindustani?

I doubt that most Indian indentured laborers came from the Bihar region of India or spoke Bhojpuri.

Of 94,135 Indian immigrants to Trinidad, between 1874-1917, 50.7 percent were from the NW/United Provinces (an area, which today, is largely encompassed by Uttar Pradesh), 24.4 percent hailed from the historic region of Oudh (Awadh), 13.5 percent were from Bihar, and lesser numbers from various other states and regions of the Indian Subcontinent, such as Punjab, West Bengal, and South India [primarily Madras (Chennai)- Professor of Anthropology, Steven Vertovec










A large percent of Indentured indians did come to trinidad, speaking bhojpuri.

I doubt that most Indian indentured laborers came from the Bihar region of India or spoke Bhojpuri.
The people of the northern regions of India have fairer skin due to their climatic evolution, and the majority of Indian laborers that came to Trinidad would have been of lower castes and darker skin from the British capital of Calcutta and Bengal regions and other regions like Brahmapur and maybe as far south as Madras and Pondicherry.

Dont get confused with Caste and Skin Color. Thats a very big mistake.
In South India, everyone is dark skinned, and there are Dark Skinned Brahmins who did come on the ships.

I've seen untouchables in india, who have fair skin and light brown eyes.
Similarly when i visited south india, i was still shocked to see caste system still at work even though everybody dark.

Did you know, that the purest Brahmin Priests are South Indian?
In some of the most holy temples of India, the cheif priest is south indian. That is another story by itself.

People of all castes came to Trinidad. I've traced back my lineage and spent months in National Archive researching my ancestry. Each Indian who came, have a document with them that has their name, father's name, place in india, height, bodily marks, caste, age, etc.

And alot of Indentured laborers do have brahmin as their caste in their Emigration Passes.

Very obscure in history since the registering British Officers here would not have been speaking Indian languages.

During the British Raj rule of India,there were quite a number of British who spoke the local languages, adding to this is that alot of british persons were born in india, grew up speaking fluent English and Hindustani.

So alot of these british officers were very intelligent, and had knowledge of the local languages.
If you ever see one of the ship registers, you will then understand how intelligent they were.

[eliteauto]

nice info DFC

[AllTrac]

wah kindda chamar thing going on in here? paper soohari? Indian classical dancer Quincy Kendall Charles ? ative language for most of our Indian Ancestors, is Bhojpuri?
sucks to be you all.

Pepper roadie later o wa

yup, might be meh last time for de week, so ah plan to take home to lol

[WetR]

we can never hope to know every intricacy of india. even people that have lived there for generations can have limited perspectives....

[DFC]

The nagar have extended their parking lot, and also created two huge lots on the northern side to facilitate parking.

Parking is very convenient and easy and with the new security details we have, your vehicle is very secure.

Please people, do not park on the highway, please do not attempt to cross the highway. Do not park on the side of the road.
The security can only do so much for your own safety.

The way traffic is regulated now, it flows pretty well, so the wait time is greatly diminished.

If you dont want to be in the traffic, stay home and watch it on tv.

So do the right thing nah people.

[AllTrac]

so who coastin de full raj kit today?
ah tantie in work here real sumintra down

[crazybalhead]

Forgot. I in a work long sleeve here. maybe Monday if ah remember.

[AllTrac]

monday for me 2

[tr1ad]

ohh myyyy

[gastly369]

paper....sohari.....leaf???? WHAT MANNER OF SORCERY IS THAT???

from ah 2nr prayers gone

[Ted_v2]

wogard^

now getting the divali vybz, saw two youths playing with stratch bombs on my street

[*$kїđž!™]

so who coastin de full raj kit today?

try a thing today...co workers wanted to know what going on....lol.....cause Monday was suppose to be the dress down day....BUT......I wanted a 4 day weekend so pfff....monday...work....yeah right......

start of a good long weekend today.......nice..!!

[shady23]

paper....sohari.....leaf???? WHAT MANNER OF SORCERY IS THAT???

from ah 2nr prayers gone

Lol wth

Good thing I have a big sohari patch in my yard yes.

[Hook]

yeh bhaiii...I eat on one ah dem tings in a wedding abt a mth ago

U take up a tray with one of those paper "leaves"on it, have the servers put what u want on it and then proceed to the table.
I think I prefer that to having 7 different ppl ask u if u want this and that while u're already seated to eat.

[dredman1]

Might make a pass later to get some pepper roti

Heard there's a few people selling though, so dunno who to buy from. Opinions?

[pyung99]

the longest line might indicate besserness

[AllTrac]

guyanese take over de nagar now, if they not making and selling food they doing sales in all booths, tr1ad is behind this shenanigans

[eurogirl]

Teach a man to fish and u have food for life !

Teach a friend how to make gulab jamon and rasgullah and you have sweets year round !! whoo hoo !! .. Divali has offically started for me !!

[S_2NR]

when is your birthday euro girl?

[mitsu_chick941]

frying up of kurma and gulab jamoon....