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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby Shango_13 » October 12th, 2011, 10:56 pm

big theif

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Postby nareshseep » October 12th, 2011, 11:31 pm

And this proves?

I am not saying it is right, but if you can receive a "gift" to benefit the development of your country, will you take it or not?
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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby shogun » October 12th, 2011, 11:35 pm

Habit7 wrote:
pioneer wrote:CFU is a private org. they are not bounded by any government policies, i do not see what's the problem here?

pugboy wrote:so does this imply that large sums of undeclared money was brought into the country
without customs knowledge ?

At least on that we can prosecute the man


The CFU and by extension CONCACAF, has rules/regulations set by FIFA, against directly, or indirectly trying to bribe/influence votes of officials, which is what obviously seems to have happened here...dunno what so hard to understand there?

I guess Jack resigned, out of the goodness of his heart? *shrugs*

The same people seeking to dismiss this as "nothing" are the same people, that cry for friggin' blood, if a mother steals a tin of milk powder, from a supermarket, to feed thier kids :lol: .....funny eh?

I hope people remember, this "person" is a member of cabinet, in the gov't of our lovely island....carry on.

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby Bezman » October 13th, 2011, 12:30 am

I can see how jack is saying he said bring cash equivalent of the gifts of silver placard etc because the local football teams could use the cash more than the placards and trophies etc.. but it can also be easily just put in someones pocket.. but in business, and FIFA is the punto final BIG BUSINESS things like this are normal, taking a prospective client for a eat all ya want in Angelo's or Chaud is normel normel for some, as well as tickets to barbados or vegas for the big boys trying to win a new client/account... dont get tie up ;)

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby pugboy » October 13th, 2011, 4:37 am

big business is one thing but when it involves country FA's which are made up of taxpayers money
it is a different thing

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Postby Mark! » October 13th, 2011, 5:58 am

Yuh see the whole matter really is that..[inaudible].. that is all i have to say

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Postby brams112 » October 13th, 2011, 5:59 am

most contracts are made in resturant's,signed in an office,the fact is the british want's this man baddddddddddddddd

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Postby rfari » October 13th, 2011, 8:10 am

shogun wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
pioneer wrote:CFU is a private org. they are not bounded by any government policies, i do not see what's the problem here?

pugboy wrote:so does this imply that large sums of undeclared money was brought into the country
without customs knowledge ?

At least on that we can prosecute the man


The CFU and by extension CONCACAF, has rules/regulations set by FIFA, against directly, or indirectly trying to bribe/influence votes of officials, which is what obviously seems to have happened here...dunno what so hard to understand there?

I guess Jack resigned, out of the goodness of his heart? *shrugs*

The same people seeking to dismiss this as "nothing" are the same people, that cry for friggin' blood, if a mother steals a tin of milk powder, from a supermarket, to feed thier kids :lol: .....funny eh?

I hope people remember, this "person" is a member of cabinet, in the gov't of our lovely island....carry on.

'Governed by rules and regulations'. Hoss tht's just procedural and it only comes into effect when u get caught. U understand my drift?

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby Habit7 » October 13th, 2011, 9:29 am

*facepalm*

This country is going nowhere it people see Jack Warner as being innocent and his public office as being tenable

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby Chimera » October 13th, 2011, 9:32 am

@ habit7

Who would you prefer in a position of power?

Would you prefer a corrupt individual who does a lot for the country?

or a clean/honest individual who does very little to nothing for the country?

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Postby Habit7 » October 13th, 2011, 9:34 am

No. 2 please with extra ketchup and mayo, slight pepper

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Postby shogun » October 13th, 2011, 5:35 pm

ABA Trading LTD wrote:@ habit7

Who would you prefer in a position of power?

Would you prefer a corrupt individual who does a lot for the country?

or a clean/honest individual who does very little to nothing for the country?




lol. wut?....wow!!

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Postby ~Vēġó~ » October 13th, 2011, 6:08 pm

Shango_13 wrote:big theif


yes he is but let's not bring up Calder Hart in this thread....

Jack is a borse!!!! I support him!!!

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby Habit7 » October 13th, 2011, 6:09 pm

ABA Trading LTD wrote:@ habit7

Who would you prefer in a position of power?

Would you prefer a corrupt individual who does a lot for the country?

or a clean/honest individual who does very little to nothing for the country?


Who would you prefer as employers in this country?

Would you prefer a rich criminal financier who does a lot for the economy?

or a clean/honest businessman who does very little to nothing for the economy?

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby BrotherHood » October 13th, 2011, 7:03 pm

So police probing Jack Warner now? :wtf:

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Postby pioneer » October 13th, 2011, 7:05 pm

shogun wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
pioneer wrote:CFU is a private org. they are not bounded by any government policies, i do not see what's the problem here?

pugboy wrote:so does this imply that large sums of undeclared money was brought into the country
without customs knowledge ?

At least on that we can prosecute the man


The CFU and by extension CONCACAF, has rules/regulations set by FIFA, against directly, or indirectly trying to bribe/influence votes of officials, which is what obviously seems to have happened here...dunno what so hard to understand there?

I guess Jack resigned, out of the goodness of his heart? *shrugs*

The same people seeking to dismiss this as "nothing" are the same people, that cry for friggin' blood, if a mother steals a tin of milk powder, from a supermarket, to feed thier kids :lol: .....funny eh?

I hope people remember, this "person" is a member of cabinet, in the gov't of our lovely island....carry on.


I'm tryna understand your point, but he's no longer associated with FIFA...

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby ElectricoS » October 13th, 2011, 7:07 pm

ok so they sold votes...what's so bad about that ?

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Postby silversurfer TnT » October 13th, 2011, 7:57 pm

i love to see people support their party at the end of the day the rich will get richer no matter who in power :twisted:

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Postby silversurfer TnT » October 13th, 2011, 8:02 pm

i love to see people support their party at the end of the day the rich will get richer no matter who in power :twisted:

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Postby nareshseep » October 13th, 2011, 9:59 pm

Welcome to real world folks!

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Postby pioneer » October 13th, 2011, 10:43 pm

silversurfer TnT wrote:i love to see people support their party at the end of the day the rich will get richer no matter who in power :twisted:


Actually it has nothing to do with party, it's called assessing the situation.

That's how business is done in the modern world, either you in or you out.

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Postby BrotherHood » October 13th, 2011, 11:25 pm

silversurfer TnT wrote:i love to see people support their party at the end of the day the rich will get richer no matter who in power :twisted:

THAT

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Postby Habit7 » October 14th, 2011, 12:11 am

for those who 'St. Cyr'-ly don't understand why JW should be investiaged.

PNM, COP on Jack video: PM must address issue now
Published: Thu, 2011-10-13 18:46
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Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is escorted to the Hyatt Regency by Labour and Small and Micro Enterprise Development Minister, Errol McLeod to formally launch the National Integrated Business Incubator System (IBIS) yesterday. PHOTO: SHIRLEY BAHADUR
The Opposition People’s National Movement (PNM) and the Congress of the People (COP), a coalition partner in the People’s Partnership, have called on Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to immediately act in the issue concerning taped statements by Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner. PNM MP Amery Browne said Persad-Bissessar must immediately suspend Warner from the Cabinet and allow a police probe to proceed. COP chairman Joseph Toney, who said he was not at all comfortable with the situation pertaining to Warner, added that the Prime Minister must speak about the issue and the country must be told whether any laws were broken.

The tape was posted on the Internet by London’s Telegraph newspaper. In it, Warner allegedly urged fellow Caribbean football officials to accept US$40,000 cash gifts from Qatar’s Mohamed bin Hammam, a former presidential candidate for world football governing body, FIFA. Warner was at the time speaking at a meeting of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on May 11 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Port-of-Spain. This was before FIFA’s presidential elections. The gifts were an alleged payment for CFU members to support bin Hammam’s candidacy. Warner was suspended pending investigations into the incident. He subsequently resigned as FIFA vice-president. Warner has admitted to telling the CFU delegates to take the money and use it for development, but he says the tape was doctored.

Yesterday, COP’s Toney said: “While Warner is no longer in FIFA that doesn’t wipe away everything. “This is not a comfortable situation for the Government or Cabinet and I for one am not at all comfortable with it,” he said. “One would hope the matter is cleared up as quickly as possible whether by FIFA, Warner or the Prime Minister. “The country needs to ascertain if any laws were broken, if only to settle this one way or the other...Any action on Warner would be her (PM’s) call.” PNM’s Browne also said: “Warner must be suspended as a government minister and proper investigation done within our shores, taking into consideration the serious allegations made and the evidence that has come to light. “This tape cannot be overlooked using the usual excuses about who has files on who and that ‘all will be revealed in time,’” he said.

“This is evidence in black, white and colour. “Hundreds were arrested under the state of emergency with no evidence or less than what has been produced in Warner’s case. “Government should be ashamed of continuing to subject citizens to such unjust treatment while turning a blind eye to the glaring evidence of atrocities at the highest level of Cabinet.” Noting Warner acted as Prime Minister up to three weeks ago, Browne said: “The Prime Minister can no longer hide from this...She must act immediately and once she does her duty and suspends Warner that will allow the Police Commissioner to conduct the investigation on Warner and the issue which the PNM has been calling for him to do.

“This CFU meeting occurred on T&T soil when Warner was a minister,” he added. “If the Police Commissioner needed evidence, this tape now makes it absolutely necessary for this probe to go forward. “If we wait for Warner to resign, it is clear he will never do so no matter what evidence is presented. “The PM must stop vacillating and do what is right for T&T, especially since Government is seeking investment. “The Prime Minister cannot keep parroting that T&T is open for business when by her inaction on this sort for situation she shows she has no concern for T&T’s image or the alleged conduct of her ministers.”

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Re: Oh no Jack! 'Warner shown discussing cash gifts'

Postby shogun » October 14th, 2011, 12:38 am

:lol: ^you're wasting your time....just saying.

Apologists/supporters, will find innovative ways of justifying, Warners actions, to ease thier conscience...I guess all the beatup over allegations at past adminstrations, was simply for show.

This ched makes it clear, who not to take seriously, when they attempt to level corruption allegations, or question the ethics/morality of anyone.

IMO, Warner should not have been allowed to hold both postions, in the first place.....look at how that decision blew up in their faces.
but, it's no surprise that, some of the tuners that defended that brilliant decision, are in this ched, once again defending Warner.

Personally though, i doubt he'll ever be dropped as a minister, because of his knowledge of the inner workings of the party...if you catch my drift.

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Postby rfari » October 14th, 2011, 8:51 am

pioneer wrote:
silversurfer TnT wrote:i love to see people support their party at the end of the day the rich will get richer no matter who in power :twisted:


Actually it has nothing to do with party, it's called assessing the situation.

That's how business is done in the modern world, either you in or you out.

correk! buying votes is nothing new to fifa. for those who have short memory, trinidad was given centre of excellence by havelange just before he retired from fifa to ensure sepp blatter was elected into office. that's just how the thing is run. lemme put it this way; fifa has a morality of its own.

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Postby Lucian-2nr » October 14th, 2011, 4:11 pm

World Football - Four Caribbean officials banned for corruption

Four Caribbean football officials have been banned, including one for 18 months, for their part in a cash-for-votes scandal in the run-up to this year's FIFA presidential election.

Two other officials were reprimanded and fined by FIFA's ethics committee, one was reprimanded and another five were given warnings, FIFA said in a statement.

The longest ban from all football-related activity was handed to Franka Pickering, president of the British Virgin Islands FA, who was also fined 500 Swiss francs (£354).

The cases are related to a meeting in Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago on May 10 and 11 where it was alleged that FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam handed out bribes to Caribbean members of CONCACAF - the regional body for football in North and Central America and the Caribbean.

Former Asian football chief Bin Hammam has since been banned for life by FIFA but has protested his innocence along with ex-CONCACAF president Jack Warner of Trinidad and Tobago.

Warner was also under investigation by FIFA for allegedly offering bribes but resigned before the probe was completed.

Bin Hammam withdrew his candidacy before the presidential vote, allowing Sepp Blatter to be re-elected for a fourth successive term as head of football's world governing body.

On Friday, FIFA also banned Horace Burrell of Jamaica for six months, three of which have been suspended for a probationary period of two years.

Osiris Guzman (Dominican Republic) and Ian Hypolite (St Vincent and the Grenadines) were suspended for 30 days, 15 of which were suspended for a probationary period of six months, and fined 300 Swiss francs each.

Aubrey Liburd (British Virgin Islands) and Hillaren Frederick (U.S. Virgin Islands) were reprimanded and fined 300 Swiss francs each while Anthony Johnson (St Kitts and Nevis) was reprimanded.

David Hinds and Mark Bob Forde (both Barbados), Richard Groden (Trinidad & Tobago), Yves Jean-Bart (Haiti) and Horace Reid (Jamaica) were warned.

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Postby rfari » October 14th, 2011, 4:32 pm

Is jam de captain geh jam dey? Wha? Tht's what I call nominal punishment. Amounts to less than a slap on the wrist.

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Postby Habit7 » October 19th, 2011, 3:52 pm

Just heard that the Ag cleared Jack Warner of any wrong doing. :shock:

The UNC political leader, asked a UNC politician, to investigate the UNC chairman on a national issue. I wonder why she didn't ask the DPP to investigate, didn't they say he loves to let ppl go even with video evidence? They don't trust him with Jack.

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Postby rfari » October 19th, 2011, 5:09 pm

Jack Warner: I will dish Sepp Blatter dirt
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PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad -- Disgraced former FIFA vice president Jack Warner has threatened to release a "tsunami" of corruption allegations against FIFA president Sepp Blatter.

Warner said Tuesday he will make the allegations after former presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam completes his appeal to the Court of Arbitration of Sport against a life ban for bribery.

"I have promised in the past a tsunami that would hit the FIFA, and indeed, it will come," Warner, a member of FIFA's ruling executive committee for 28 years, wrote in a letter to a newspaper in his native Trinidad.

A verdict in bin Hammam's appeal to CAS is not expected for several months.

The bribery scandal ended Warner's career in soccer when he resigned in June to avoid investigation of his role in arranging $40,000 payments for Caribbean voters during bin Hammam's election challenge to Blatter.

Warner's 1,300-word missive published by the Trinidad and Tobago Guardian stated that he and bin Hammam helped Blatter win "bitter" and "brutal" elections in 1998 and 2002.

He said his revelations would make FIFA's sponsors -- which include adidas, Coca-Cola, Sony and Visa -- "cringe with painful surprise."

The threats were published three days before Blatter will announce details of an anti-corruption drive promised when FIFA member nations gave the 75-year-old Swiss official a final four-year term unopposed in June.

"Blatter now suddenly sees the need to reform the FIFA from within in his last term of office and in the sunset of his days," Warner wrote. "This is hypocritical to say the least for it is public knowledge that his four terms of office have been dogged with controversy and allegations of corruption to which he has never responded."

Warner said he and bin Hammam backed Blatter's first campaign in 1998 and to secure re-election four years later, when the governing body was mired in a financial scandal.

"We took (Blatter) on a worldwide crusade through Africa and Asia begging for support for him, and he won!"

Warner recalled his first meeting with Petrus Damaseb, who chaired the FIFA ethics panel that expelled bin Hammam in July.

He implied that Damaseb, then Namibia soccer federation president, accepted a payment in 1998. FIFA introduced an ethics code in 2006 that prohibited cash gifts.

"I will tell the world what gift Bin Hammam gave to (Damaseb) which was not a bribe then as he has ruled today," Warner wrote.

The bribery scandal was sparked when whistleblowers from four Caribbean countries reported that cash was offered during bin Hammam's May 10 visit to Trinidad ahead of the FIFA vote for president.

A video of Warner urging Caribbean soccer leaders to accept their cash gifts was leaked last week and published on the website of Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper.

Bin Hammam has claimed that Blatter and Chuck Blazer, the American FIFA executive committee member and Warner's longtime ally, orchestrated the bribery scandal because the bin Hammam was poised to take the top job at FIFA.

Warner calculated that his 25 Caribbean Football Union members were key because Blatter was leading the race by just a handful of votes. Because of the bribery allegations, Bin Hammam ended his election bid days before the June vote.

"It would have been an interesting encounter until the region was sold out to Blazer and Blatter," Warner wrote.


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Jack Warner - AGAIN!!!!

Postby bluefete » March 18th, 2014, 9:07 pm

Or is it a case of sour grapes against the developing world countries?

BTW - In the video (go to website to view - cannot embed)- Was she driving in T&T withiout a seatbelt???? Just asking. Video is funny though.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... d-Cup.html

World Cup 2022 investigation: demands to strip Qatar of 2020 World Cup
Senior MPs say Fifa should launch an inquiry into the revelations and that the organisation should also consider stripping the Gulf state of the right to host the tournament

By Holly Watt, Ben Bryant, Claire Newell and Ben Rumsby

10:00PM GMT 18 Mar 2014

Football's world governing body is facing calls to re-run the 2022 World Cup bid after an investigation by The Telegraph revealed that a former official and his family were paid almost $2 million from a firm linked to Qatar’s successful campaign.

Senior MPs have said that Fifa should launch an inquiry into the revelations and that the organisation should also consider stripping the Gulf state of the right to host the tournament.

Clive Efford, the Labour MP for Eltham and Plumstead and shadow sports minister, said, “Fifa should carry out a full investigation. It looks like there may have been serious corruption in the bid and it has to raise serious concerns about sending the World Cup to Qatar.

“If Fifa looks into all the information and finds that there is corruption, they should reopen the bidding process.”

John Whittingdale, the chairman of the parliamentary culture, media and sport committee, said that the payments “provide further evidence that casts doubt over the credibility of the entire process to select Qatar as the country to host the 2022 World Cup”.

Tessa Jowell, Labour MP for Dulwich and West Norwood and former secretary of state for culture, media and sport, said of the disclosures made by The Telegraph: “These are very surprising revelations. It’s a very large amount of money and in everyone’s interests, including [former Fifa official] Jack Warner’s, that this matter is investigated.”

Paul Farrelly, Labour MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme, added that “if wrongdoing is found, the tournament should be moved elsewhere”.

Yesterday The Telegraph revealed that Mr Warner, the former vice-president of Fifa, appears to have been personally paid $1.2 million (£720,000) from a company controlled by a former Qatari football official shortly after the decision to award the country the tournament. Payments totalling almost $750,000 were made to Mr Warner’s sons, documents show. A further $400,000 was paid to one of his employees.

The payments were made by a Qatari-based company, Kemco, which is owned by Mohamed Bin Hammam, the former Fifa executive committee member for the Gulf state. It is understood that the FBI is now investigating Trinidad–based Mr Warner and his alleged links to the Qatari bid, and that the former Fifa official’s eldest son, who lives in Miami, has been helping the inquiry as a co–operating witness.

The investigators are thought to be focusing on Mr Warner’s American and Grand Cayman bank accounts. Michael Garcia, the joint chief investigator of Fifa’s ethics committee, is also investigating irregularities surrounding the bidding process. He is expected to deliver his report to the committee later this year.

Mr Warner resigned from all football positions in 2011 amid allegations of bribery linked to Mr Bin Hammam’s attempt to unseat Sepp Blatter as Fifa president. Mr Bin Hammam was banned from “any kind of football-related activity” by Fifa, but the Court of Arbitration for Sport overturned the ban in July 2012 due to a lack of evidence.

A new investigation into his financial dealings which dated back to his time in charge of Asian football was launched by Fifa’s ethics committee, and this led to a new life ban in 2012.

The awarding of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar was one of the most controversial decisions in sporting history. The intense summer heat in the desert nation has raised the prospect of the tournament being moved to the winter for the first time.

Although Qatar has repeatedly denied wrongdoing during the bidding process, it has long been suspected that the decision was flawed, and several members of the Fifa committee have faced corruption allegations.

One document seen by The Telegraph states that more than $1 million should be paid to Mr Warner to cover “professional services provided over the period 2005–2010”. However, a separate document says that payments are to “offset legal and other expenses”.

The revelations have fuelled concerns that some Fifa executive committee members were not impartial when they cast votes in December 2010. England suffered a humiliation when it secured only two votes to host the 2018 World Cup and was eliminated after the first round.

Damian Collins, Conservative MP for Folkestone and Hythe, and former member of the parliamentary committee that held an inquiry into England’s failed 2018 bid, said: “I think this raises a big concern that the decision to give Qatar the World Cup was based on money, not based on sporting interests.”

Simon Johnson, the chief operating officer for the England 2018 bid, who was interviewed by Mr Garcia last year, said: “This is a very disturbing piece of evidence that The Telegraph has found and it is right and proper that Fifa fully considers the evidence that has been uncovered and that any evidence which is in any way relevant to the award of the 2018 or 2022 Fifa World Cup is made available to the investigation being conducted by Mr Michael Garcia.”

Mr Warner and his family declined to comment. A spokesman for Qatar’s 2022 World Cup organising committee said: “The 2022 bid committee strictly adhered to Fifa’s bidding regulations in compliance with their code of ethics.

“The supreme committee for delivery and legacy and the individuals involved in the 2022 bid committee are unaware of any allegations surrounding business dealings between private individuals.”

Mr Bin Hammam did not respond to calls requesting comment.

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