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RASC wrote:Sandy was reporting to his superiors...his superior is none other than KAMALALSINGH!
So how the flyingfuck she could come lie to us about not knowing of its existance. Is Sandy and all knew, how the hell you could not know. This is the second indication that the PM is using this for political mileage. The first being that she was the AG for a while back in the day, and in close relations with Panday when the SIA was in it's infant years. They instituted the machinery and equipment. So doh give we that nonsense.
DPP to decide on charges of wiretapping says PM
Richard Lord
Published: 16 Nov 2010
Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard will decide if criminal charges are to be laid against anyone for illegal tapping of citizens’ phones by the Security Intelligence Agency (SIA), Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said yesterday. At the time she was responding to questions on the matter following an address to an ICT symposium at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain. “Those will be decisions for the Director of Public Prosecutions. I cannot prejudge and compromise a decision to be made by an independent legal officer of the State—the Director of Public Prosecutions,” she said. The PM was asked if she knew of the work of the SIA, which was in existence during the administration of the Basdeo Panday Government between 1995 and 2001.
Persad-Bissessar acted as Prime Minister during that period and was also Attorney General, which meant she would have served on the National Security Council. She responded: “I cannot recall when the SIA was set up but it is my firm view, and I am very committed to that, that no citizens phones should be tapped outside of the law. It must be within a regulated framework.” She continued: “At no time did anyone in the National Security Council or otherwise with the (security) intelligence... no one, no one at any meeting ever said a single word about phones being tapped. There was a definite silence on that issue.” She said only last month she got a text (message) about “a meeting taking place between certain people, where a request was being made for transcripts and tapes from that particular unit.”
The Prime Minister recalled the sequence of events that followed: “When I got that information I actioned the Special Branch, I spoke with the Commissioner of Police and it was reported back to me by the branch that such a meeting was in fact taking place at the time and venue that the source had indicated.” The PM said: “It was only when we were advised on the evening of October 22 that there appeared to have been some attempts to sanitise what was happening in there (SIA) that the Commissioner of Police undertook the operation that he did on the Saturday (October 23) and shut down the place.” She said the offices of the SIA had remained shut since then. Asked about the future of the SIA officers, Persad-Bissessar said: “The police will have to investigate (and) where there is wrongdoing the law will take its course.” She said Deputy Commissioner Stephen Williams is heading a team which is investigating the matter.
“They are putting things in place to have a forensic audit because of the massive amount of cash that was found at the location and indeed how it was being spent because there is no paperwork to support it,” the PM told reporters. She confirmed that the operations of the SIA was shut down on her instructions last month. Persad-Bissessar said she could not say how many names were on the list. “It’s a database and I don’t know the total offhand. We await the report of the investigators,” the PM added. She said the plan was to restructure “all of these intelligence agencies and setting up one national intelligence agency.” A report on that matter was expected next month, the PM added, and the Williams Committee has been discussing the matter with US officials. Persad-Bissessar said the authorities were considering informing other people not identified in her statement to Parliament last Friday that their names were on the list. She said it would be up to those persons to announce it publicly if they so wished.
“It’s a further invasion of their privacy to be putting their names all over the newspapers as being persons whose (phones) were tapped,” she said. The PM said the Government was seeking comments on the possibility of citizens taking legal action against the State and a Joint Select Committee of Parliament or a Commission of Enquiry is being considered to deal with the matter.
UML wrote:5onDfloor wrote:UML wrote:i see the removal of Sandy very soon.....this is the second time he contradicted the PM....cant remember what it was for before....i think a comment on strike action or something like that.
^^ On what MERIT do u forsee his removal soon?
no I in TEAM!!
crime rate?
u choose!
plus dey cud do wah dey wah!!!
5onDfloor wrote:UML wrote:5onDfloor wrote:UML wrote:i see the removal of Sandy very soon.....this is the second time he contradicted the PM....cant remember what it was for before....i think a comment on strike action or something like that.
^^ On what MERIT do u forsee his removal soon?
no I in TEAM!!
crime rate?
u choose!
plus dey cud do wah dey wah!!!
No I in Team!!! so in other words u forsee his sackin because he refuse to lie to us about the SIA existence?
Crime rate? what crime rate? ent d murder rate fro 2010 will be less than previous years? ent allyuh only in power 6mths so its unrealistic to see any fruiltful gains? ent allyuh still in honeymoon period?
plus dey cud do wah dey wah!!! yuh mean jus as Manning did what he wanted with Rowley for goin against him and udecott?
I stand corrected but i thought this was to be a change and a new age of politics for T&T?
kevcam wrote:RASC wrote:Sandy was reporting to his superiors...his superior is none other than KAMALALSINGH!
So how the flyingfuck she could come lie to us about not knowing of its existance. Is Sandy and all knew, how the hell you could not know. This is the second indication that the PM is using this for political mileage. The first being that she was the AG for a while back in the day, and in close relations with Panday when the SIA was in it's infant years. They instituted the machinery and equipment. So doh give we that nonsense.
http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/11/16/dpp-decide-charges-wiretapping-says-pmDPP to decide on charges of wiretapping says PM
Richard Lord
Published: 16 Nov 2010
Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard will decide if criminal charges are to be laid against anyone for illegal tapping of citizens’ phones by the Security Intelligence Agency (SIA), Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said yesterday. At the time she was responding to questions on the matter following an address to an ICT symposium at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain. “Those will be decisions for the Director of Public Prosecutions. I cannot prejudge and compromise a decision to be made by an independent legal officer of the State—the Director of Public Prosecutions,” she said. The PM was asked if she knew of the work of the SIA, which was in existence during the administration of the Basdeo Panday Government between 1995 and 2001.
Persad-Bissessar acted as Prime Minister during that period and was also Attorney General, which meant she would have served on the National Security Council. She responded: “I cannot recall when the SIA was set up but it is my firm view, and I am very committed to that, that no citizens phones should be tapped outside of the law. It must be within a regulated framework.” She continued: “At no time did anyone in the National Security Council or otherwise with the (security) intelligence... no one, no one at any meeting ever said a single word about phones being tapped. There was a definite silence on that issue.” She said only last month she got a text (message) about “a meeting taking place between certain people, where a request was being made for transcripts and tapes from that particular unit.”
The Prime Minister recalled the sequence of events that followed: “When I got that information I actioned the Special Branch, I spoke with the Commissioner of Police and it was reported back to me by the branch that such a meeting was in fact taking place at the time and venue that the source had indicated.” The PM said: “It was only when we were advised on the evening of October 22 that there appeared to have been some attempts to sanitise what was happening in there (SIA) that the Commissioner of Police undertook the operation that he did on the Saturday (October 23) and shut down the place.” She said the offices of the SIA had remained shut since then. Asked about the future of the SIA officers, Persad-Bissessar said: “The police will have to investigate (and) where there is wrongdoing the law will take its course.” She said Deputy Commissioner Stephen Williams is heading a team which is investigating the matter.
“They are putting things in place to have a forensic audit because of the massive amount of cash that was found at the location and indeed how it was being spent because there is no paperwork to support it,” the PM told reporters. She confirmed that the operations of the SIA was shut down on her instructions last month. Persad-Bissessar said she could not say how many names were on the list. “It’s a database and I don’t know the total offhand. We await the report of the investigators,” the PM added. She said the plan was to restructure “all of these intelligence agencies and setting up one national intelligence agency.” A report on that matter was expected next month, the PM added, and the Williams Committee has been discussing the matter with US officials. Persad-Bissessar said the authorities were considering informing other people not identified in her statement to Parliament last Friday that their names were on the list. She said it would be up to those persons to announce it publicly if they so wished.
“It’s a further invasion of their privacy to be putting their names all over the newspapers as being persons whose (phones) were tapped,” she said. The PM said the Government was seeking comments on the possibility of citizens taking legal action against the State and a Joint Select Committee of Parliament or a Commission of Enquiry is being considered to deal with the matter.
UML wrote:so is the PNM ignoring the REAL issues about spying being ILLEGAL, $5.9 MILLION in cash....the remainder unaccounted for AND a stash of UNREGISTERED firearms!!!!
5onDfloor wrote:ah boyyyyyy...........................so Sandy knew and Kamla did not?
Sandy and Clement met FOUR TIMES to discuss admin reports and OTHER STUFF THAT HE CANT DIVULGED?
so who Sandy reporting too?
Isn't the PM the head of the national security council?
Isn't the PM also the head of Caricom Security council?
is really WTN!!!!!!!!!
ek4ever wrote:
Like allyuh fail reading and comprehension.....for the last time...Kamla was aware of the SIA NOT the 'intercept suite' and definitely not its capabilities nor the operations being carried out by that section. The equipment was acquired, installed and commissioned under the PNM gov't....I was there at that time and worked on this....didn't want to say anything before but because of all the foolishness being posted here I thought it was time to do so especially after working there for 14 years.
And btw no one posting here have even an idea of what was really going on...far less these stupid news reporters.
So talk now......
Funnily Kamla went after SAUTT thinking it was they that did the phone tap on her, and was receiving security updates from her Min of Nat Sec who himself was in the dark.
PM compromised national security
Published: 18 Nov 2010
Vernon de Lima
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was ill-advised to make last week’s “wiretapping” revelations since she may have compromised T&T’s national security, Congress of the People vice chairman Vernon de Lima has said. The COP is a minority People’s Partnership partner in the Government. COP chairman Joseph Toney on Tuesday, noting tomorrow’s debate of Government’s “wiretapping” bill, said: “We urge restraint... we’re dealing with the delicate issue of T&T’s security and that should be in mind uppermost—let’s not make this into a political football.”
De Lima added: “I’m aghast at the number of people who were listed last Friday as being ‘tapped.’ That was wrong and the mechanisms employed there are indefensible. So Mr Manning and the PNM are not blamless since one of these so-called spy agencies existed since 2004.” “Why is it that they did not move with alacrity to ensure these agencies were given legal cover?” He said: “It seemed they neglected to do that on purpose because maybe if they had, there would have been certain strictures they were not prepared to abide by.
“However, the Prime Minister’s unfortunate decision to reveal details etc of the modus operandi of these agencies could compromise national security.
“We’ve heard a lot about local vessels being intercepted in various parts of the world with drug hauls, who is to know whether or not this was as a result of these agencies’ work—and now you come and blow their cover? “When you come to matters like national security one should always err on the side of caution and the uppermost consideration of any anything should be T&T’s security. “Therefore I wonder if it was right to do what was done in Parliament last week and I think it was not. If someone has been advising the PM on this, it was clearly not prudent advice. If I’m wrong, I’ll accept that but we are a small state and we must guard our security closely.”
De Lima also said the PM’s idea for a commission of enquiry on the issue would be wrong. “That would certainly compromise security even further due to what information might flow from this probe,” he said. “We have this week’s example of what took place in the UK where the UK government refused such an inquiry on the same grounds where the issue of several Guantanamo prisoners was concerned.”
wagonrunner wrote:http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/11/18/pm-compromised-national-securityPM compromised national security
Published: 18 Nov 2010
Vernon de Lima
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was ill-advised to make last week’s “wiretapping” revelations since she may have compromised T&T’s national security, Congress of the People vice chairman Vernon de Lima has said. The COP is a minority People’s Partnership partner in the Government. COP chairman Joseph Toney on Tuesday, noting tomorrow’s debate of Government’s “wiretapping” bill, said: “We urge restraint... we’re dealing with the delicate issue of T&T’s security and that should be in mind uppermost—let’s not make this into a political football.”
De Lima added: “I’m aghast at the number of people who were listed last Friday as being ‘tapped.’ That was wrong and the mechanisms employed there are indefensible. So Mr Manning and the PNM are not blamless since one of these so-called spy agencies existed since 2004.” “Why is it that they did not move with alacrity to ensure these agencies were given legal cover?” He said: “It seemed they neglected to do that on purpose because maybe if they had, there would have been certain strictures they were not prepared to abide by.
“However, the Prime Minister’s unfortunate decision to reveal details etc of the modus operandi of these agencies could compromise national security.
“We’ve heard a lot about local vessels being intercepted in various parts of the world with drug hauls, who is to know whether or not this was as a result of these agencies’ work—and now you come and blow their cover? “When you come to matters like national security one should always err on the side of caution and the uppermost consideration of any anything should be T&T’s security. “Therefore I wonder if it was right to do what was done in Parliament last week and I think it was not. If someone has been advising the PM on this, it was clearly not prudent advice. If I’m wrong, I’ll accept that but we are a small state and we must guard our security closely.”
De Lima also said the PM’s idea for a commission of enquiry on the issue would be wrong. “That would certainly compromise security even further due to what information might flow from this probe,” he said. “We have this week’s example of what took place in the UK where the UK government refused such an inquiry on the same grounds where the issue of several Guantanamo prisoners was concerned.”
Amazing what the flock can't see. and kaylex this bunch can see no wrong done by their people, yet they talk about accountability.
5onDfloor wrote:Kamla is ah TUNTZ!!!!!!!!!!!
zoom rader wrote:5onDfloor wrote:Kamla is ah TUNTZ!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the mind of a PNM. No respect for a beyotch
RASC wrote:zoom rader wrote:5onDfloor wrote:Kamla is ah TUNTZ!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the mind of a PNM. No respect for a dumb skunt
Fixord
wagonrunner wrote:well look something to occupy the "flock"
taxpayer monies being spent for personal satisfaction, but......... see. i was really always a victim.
wagonrunner wrote:so after the flock huff and puffwagonrunner wrote:well look something to occupy the "flock"
taxpayer monies being spent for personal satisfaction, but......... see. i was really always a victim.
SIA gets okay to continue ‘spying’
Gibbs: Probe over, SIA back in business
wagonrunner wrote:so after the flock huff and puffwagonrunner wrote:well look something to occupy the "flock"
taxpayer monies being spent for personal satisfaction, but......... see. i was really always a victim.
SIA gets okay to continue ‘spying’
Gibbs: Probe over, SIA back in business
Asked about the involvement of the Criminal Intelligence Unit (CIU), an agency under the Police Service which has also been spying on citizens' telephone conversations, Gibbs refused to give a definite answer.
He said it was the work of CIU and other intelligence agencies, which leads the police on several exercises, which yield positive results.
"It (CIU) helps us to be able to narrow down and say, 'these are our targets here, these are the hot spots.' These are the areas that we need to work on criminally, .. they put those pieces together for us.
"And again, I won't either confirm or deny what they (CIU) do, they do their intelligence gathering, and how they do it is something that is not open to the public," Gibbs said.
Gibbs said interception of communication is a vital tool in the fight against crime, adding such methods must be employed when other avenues have failed.
"Those (interception) are police tactics; those are Government tactics in terms of dealing with criminal activities, security activities," he said.
Asked whether the elite Criminal Intelligence Unit (CIU) also was engaged in spying Gibbs said the unit was intelligence-driven, dealing primarily with criminal intelligence.
“That’s their function, to gather criminal intelligence and it helps us to narrow down on the targets and hotspots and in terms of anything national, in terms of security. They help us put those pieces together,” Gibbs said.Pressed further whether the CIU was involved in wiretapping Gibbs said: “Those are police tactics. Those are Government tactics in terms of dealing with criminal and security activities.
“I won’t go into detail of how they do things. I won’t confirm or deny what they do. They deal with intelligence-gathering which is not open to the public.”
douglaking wrote:wagonrunner wrote:so after the flock huff and puffwagonrunner wrote:well look something to occupy the "flock"
taxpayer monies being spent for personal satisfaction, but......... see. i was really always a victim.
SIA gets okay to continue ‘spying’
Gibbs: Probe over, SIA back in business
hmm........now all the wagonis.......no sorry......die har.........no not quiet right....."supporters" who initially supported the removal of the wiretapping will turn full circle as with the ATM comments and show their support.....
bunch of sheep...
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