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Wizard wrote:since god is omnipotent maybe the story of noah actually happened to different people all over the world making multiple arks
again its down to translation or interpretation
QG wrote:Wizard wrote:since god is omnipotent maybe the story of noah actually happened to different people all over the world making multiple arks
again its down to translation or interpretation
I beg you to becareful what you say. Do not take away or add things to the Bible.
The Bible stated Noah's Ark...that means ONE.
If you don't believe in the BIBLE, that's okay, but do not take away or add things from it.
civic SIR wrote:^^ God wrote the ten commandments himself on stone tablets that was placed in the ark of the covenant so that their could be no arguement of human error.
Wizard wrote:not necessarily
is it not a fact that most of the bible was written in an archaic language
some of what is translated can easily become interpretation
civic SIR wrote:d spike, i thank you for your kind words and the same is mutual here, everyone is entitled to his or her beliefs and we should respectfully accept that, whilst you may say that Jonah's account or other accounts are fictional I believe that they are true simply because Jesus referred to them as recorded events in addition to his parables.
But you are right in saying that the language used in the aformentioned texts could be interrpreted as negative and adversely affect others by both parties. It is still honourable to mention that sometimes we have to defend where our faith lies, if we have the courage.
ABA Trading LTD, one flood was recorded in the bible
MG Man wrote:Wizard wrote:since god is omnipotent maybe the story of noah actually happened to different people all over the world making multiple arks
again its down to translation or interpretation
that not what the bible says
now you makin up your own bible babble
civic SIR wrote:d spike wrote:civic SIR wrote:d spike,
I agree totally with bible study in relation to culture and times. the fact that Jonah was regarded as a prophet in the old testament and the account given in his book eludes the point of being fictional
No it doesn't. You need to re-read what I wrote.
Are you saying the book of the prophet Jonah was fictional?
the_DFC wrote:what proof is there of Jesus?
aside of the mostly fictitious bible?
Did he really exist?
This is a very good question. Obviously, if there is no proof that Jesus lived, then this could have been one glorious folly foisted on humanity.
Roman historians of the time (who certainly were not Christians) have written about the odd little Jewish cult and the stories that circulated about their Rabbi.
ask allyuh self that before allyuh jump on the religious horse and gallop down the road of blind faith.
With this beautiful piece of advice in mind (the meaning of which I totally agree with) I leave it to you to find these accounts - if you really are interested. I have learned the hard way long ago not to chew a piece of fruit before I give it to someone.
Cheers
axe wrote:i cant understand people who criticize the bible:
the bible says who will stand in God's presence? "him who has clean hands, a pure heart, a soul not lifted up in vanity, nor sworn deceitfully"
what wrong with that? not one thing!
the bible says "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
trust me if everyone followed this golden rule how wonderful this world will be!
the bible says "pray for your enemies, do good unto those who hate you and use you" ah but we are all consumed with vengeance in our heart arent we?
it's very interesting to see that men will extract the trival parts and form and argument instead of taking the consuels of the bible for themselves as you indicated. Imagine a tread on logistics rather than on the end message. Well Jesus did say that "whosoever has ears to hear" applies.
a fella will walk down the road with a bible in his hand and everyone in the block will harass him and ridicule him. Dont mind that same fella used to curse and smoke weed and drink lots of alcohol before he started going to church.
" The world will always hate those that are not of its own"
The Bible is beautiful... a story like NO other: man and an ongoing relationship with his creator.......an everlasting message of hope: your sins can be washed away! your burdens that keep you addicted to drugs, adultery/fornication, deceit, crime, or whatever can be taken off your shoulders....and what peace! like no other!....a relevant doctrine: are you so blind that the bible prophesies arent plainly being fulfilled? 1000s of years ago Israel as a nation was prophesied to be dispersed and then brought back together....back in the days of Daniel the rise and fall of empires were prophesied in accurate order: babylon to persia-mede to greek to roman
i can go on and on but bear this in mind the bible says in the last days there shall be perilous times: there shall be wars (gulf war? war on terror?) and rumours of wars (US vs Venezuela? Iran vs UN? North Korea vs UN/US....)......there will be earthquakes in divers places (Japan, China, Indonesia?) famines (North Korea, Somalia, Ethiopia, parts of India?)...pestilences (HIV, bird flu, swine flu, reemergence of resistent TB, malaria?)...men will be lovers of themselves, boasters, fierce, lacking natural affection (sounds familiar).....when you see these things turn your eyes to the heaven (for your redemption draweth near)
the fact that people will attack a message of hope and peace tells me that a darker force is behind it all influencing people.
"For we wrestle not against principalites or powers but spiritual wickedness in high places...."
i try not to enter these topics but my testimony burns in my chest...i have to confess Jesus before men (even though they may laugh, criticize, scoff, ridicule...whatever...i have a reward)
"He that testifies of me the same I will testify before the father"
the idea of Noah is fantastic...and i suppose much of the bible is ...there are indeed other stories that may seem less plausible.....
But each account derives benefit to the christian in many aspects
i always tell people test God and see if he is true...God himself in Malachi said to test him....i did i asked for the impossible and got it...and no i dont blindly follow the bible or a preacher....i read, study (even history against the bible) and i pray for a discerning mind....trust me the truth will find you some day (i hope that when it does that it isnt too late)
"Today I put before you a blessing and a curse but I bid you choose life..."
people will keep on attacking this message of hope and peace...some how they are afraid to criticize islam or hinduism.....why not post up something about mohammed? eh mgman? again that all tells me that a darker power is influencing these people.....as it was in times past so shall it be
axe wrote:i cant understand people who criticize the bible
Why not? Have you ever asked them? If you do not expose yourself to a concept that you don't understand, you will remain not understanding. Their criticism of the bible falls into two categories (both the fault of Christians): 1. It isn't factual - this is in response to the mistaken view held and expounded rather loudly by many believers that it is, and it is wrong to think otherwise; 2. It doesn't promote truth - this is in response to the unchristian-like behaviour of Christians. An old saying is, "What you are doing is speaking so loudly that I can't hear what you are saying."
I have dwelt on both topics already within this thread, and as I love repetition as much as broccoli... you can scroll back if you want.
There is another category, but these are the ones who belong to other religions and thus hold their chosen scripture in higher esteem - but you will find their critiques will fall into the same previously mentioned groups.
the bible says "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
trust me if everyone followed this golden rule how wonderful this world will be!
Quite right... the thing is people have been saying this long before the Christ... Confucius and his Golden Rule were around about 500 years before Jesus.
the bible says "pray for your enemies, do good unto those who hate you and use you" ah but we are all consumed with vengeance in our heart arent we?
Other religions say this too, what about it?
The Bible is beautiful... a story like NO other: man and an ongoing relationship with his creator.......an everlasting message of hope: ....and what peace! like no other!...
And yet it has been responsible for so much bloodshed and suffering... Not just the Spanish Inquisition, but all those civil wars and inquisitions that the Protestants of Europe inflicted on each other -Zwingli, one of the great leaders of the Reformation died in such a battle - and that was just Europe.
Of course you might say that it wasn't the bible that caused all that nonsense, but man's inability to use it within his life and society - and THAT, my boy, is the answer to all this.
axe wrote:
.....the funny thing is centuries ago the super power at that time Rome in all her might killed millions of believers for this same "good news" until Constantine (Roman Emperor) was himself converted (read history you'll see this is true)....these early christians were tortured, thrown to lions, nailed to crosses, burnt to death....and many died with a smile on their face (what peace!)
Interesting that you should mention this... Romans didn't have problems with new, secret or strange religions - they actually were proud of having these in their midst. The problem with Christians was their claim of being right while all else was wrong. The very first Christians to be slaughtered by the Romans were a group that attacked (is that too strong a word?) a religious procession in the honour of Venus, in which the niece of the Emperor was taking part. They threw over statues and pulled down garlands with cries of "Woe!" and "Repent!", and frightened the bejesus (no offence meant) out of the young lady. Her honour guard, not caring for the insult, later that evening located the house where these gentle folk met to pray, sealed the door and burnt the building to the ground, with the martyrs inside. If you actually research history, instead of reading those beautifully illustrated books meant for infant Christians, you would realise that, apart from Nero and a few others, Christian persecution was limited to political affairs - some Emperors considered it expedient to have a state religion (they weren't the only world leaders to think thusly, Russia invited religions to send envoys in order to choose an acceptable religion. Muslims reached the court first, and their teachings were admired, except for the part about alchohol - without their vodka, the Russian winter was unsurvivable! The Greek Orthodox were next, hence the existence of Russian Orthodox...) Emperor Hadrian just sealed churches...
......so people like Mgman et al. can huff, puff
Have you asked them why?
If a chocolate cake looks beautiful and tasty, but many of those who eat it vomit and crouch over looking rather green, would you eat it? You are eyeing up the cake... but those boys are staring at the fellahs who are in a state of pain... (this is a reference to the apparent effects, remember I said this when you start your critique...)
...and no i dont blindly follow the bible or a preacher....i read, study (even history against the bible)
Judging by what else you wrote, I am not so sure of this... perhaps you need to find less biased material.
....trust me the truth will find you some day (i hope that when it does that it isnt too late)
What makes you feel it hasn't already long ago? Just because they don't accept YOUR version or concept? That is more a case of pride/vanity than being right or wrong... A Mac and a PC get the same job done using different commands and methods. To apply what works for one to the other results in chaos.
again that all tells me that a darker power is influencing these people.....as it was in times past so shall it be
Yes, it's called ignorance and bigotry, and all, whether Christian or otherwise, can suffer from these...
d spike wrote:axe wrote:i cant understand people who criticize the bible
Why not? Have you ever asked them? If you do not expose yourself to a concept that you don't understand, you will remain not understanding. Their criticism of the bible falls into two categories (both the fault of Christians): 1. It isn't factual 2. It doesn't promote truth -
d spike wrote:axe wrote:
.....the funny thing is centuries ago the super power at that time Rome in all her might killed millions of believers for this same "good news" until Constantine (Roman Emperor) was himself converted (read history you'll see this is true)....these early christians were tortured, thrown to lions, nailed to crosses, burnt to death....and many died with a smile on their face (what peace!)
Interesting that you should mention this... Romans didn't have problems with new, secret or strange religions - they actually were proud of having these in their midst. The problem with Christians was their claim of being right while all else was wrong. The very first Christians to be slaughtered by the Romans were a group that attacked (is that too strong a word?) a religious procession in the honour of Venus, in which the niece of the Emperor was taking part. They threw over statues and pulled down garlands with cries of "Woe!" and "Repent!", and frightened the bejesus (no offence meant) out of the young lady. Her honour guard, not caring for the insult, later that evening located the house where these gentle folk met to pray, sealed the door and burnt the building to the ground, with the martyrs inside. If you actually research history, instead of reading those beautifully illustrated books meant for infant Christians, you would realise that, apart from Nero and a few others, Christian persecution was limited to political affairs - some Emperors considered it expedient to have a state religion (they weren't the only world leaders to think thusly, Russia invited religions to send envoys in order to choose an acceptable religion. Muslims reached the court first, and their teachings were admired, except for the part about alchohol - without their vodka, the Russian winter was unsurvivable! The Greek Orthodox were next, hence the existence of Russian Orthodox...) Emperor Hadrian just sealed churches...
wagonrunner wrote:civic SIR wrote:^^ God wrote the ten commandments himself on stone tablets that was placed in the ark of the covenant so that their could be no arguement of human error.
except when 11-15 fell down and shattered.
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civic SIR wrote:d spike wrote:axe wrote:i cant understand people who criticize the bible
Why not? Have you ever asked them? If you do not expose yourself to a concept that you don't understand, you will remain not understanding. Their criticism of the bible falls into two categories (both the fault of Christians): 1. It isn't factual 2. It doesn't promote truth -
D Spike be carfeul what you say how can you make such allegations
Good grief, you didn't even read through what I wrote... I never said I believed it isn't factual or it doesn't promote truth, I said the criticisms are as such. This (and the following) post explain a lot about how literalists believe what they believe - will deal with this point later.
or claim reasons for others?
How old are you? Your exposure to these sort of discussions must be severely limited (no offense, but really...) for these arguments - and their answers - are as old as the hills. You really NEED to expand your bubble.
Up until now I had some repect for you views
...and you show this respect by reading exactly what I write. I learned moons ago to say precisely what I mean. The language I use means a lot to me, and I know how to use it. In situations/discussions like these I am not vague. I don't flip a coin when I write - please don't do that when you read.
civic SIR wrote:d spike wrote:axe wrote:i cant understand people who criticize the bible
Why not? Have you ever asked them? If you do not expose yourself to a concept that you don't understand, you will remain not understanding. Their criticism of the bible falls into two categories (both the fault of Christians): 1. It isn't factual 2. It doesn't promote truth -
D Spike be carfeul what you say how can you make such allegations or claim reasons for others? Please tell me how the predictions of Daniel are fake or promote truth? The historical Line of Jesus from Adam can you prove otherwise? Was Nebucanezer, Darius, Ceasear, Pilate fictional? Did the history of world powers start from Bablonian days and end at the Roman Empire? Was the Book of Chronicles not historical? Without the bible explain pain and suffering? Explain why fossil fuels are here? Explain Sodom and Gommorah's current condition? Explain faith? Explain Solomon's wisdom?
the promotion of love, caring, patience, longsuffering, hope is not truth to you?
Are you infact the GOD that can prove that the bibile in not factual or promote truth? many have tried but God's word is still here where are they today? Up until now I had some repect for you views, you wrote earlier "you are you to condem what a man believes in or not" Surely millions account and testimonies are greater than yours.
QG wrote:You want a lil proof padna?.....The muslim's book (The Quran) talks about Jesus and they are not ROMANS
They don't believe Jesus is the Son of God, but they see him as a prophet....point is, a non believer of Christ talks about him in their Holy Books other than the ROMAN's Bible
MG Man wrote:civic SIR wrote:d spike wrote:axe wrote:i cant understand people who criticize the bible
Why not? Have you ever asked them? If you do not expose yourself to a concept that you don't understand, you will remain not understanding. Their criticism of the bible falls into two categories (both the fault of Christians): 1. It isn't factual 2. It doesn't promote truth -
D Spike be carfeul what you say how can you make such allegations or claim reasons for others? Please tell me how the predictions of Daniel are fake or promote truth? The historical Line of Jesus from Adam can you prove otherwise? Was Nebucanezer, Darius, Ceasear, Pilate fictional? Did the history of world powers start from Bablonian days and end at the Roman Empire? Was the Book of Chronicles not historical? Without the bible explain pain and suffering? Explain why fossil fuels are here? Explain Sodom and Gommorah's current condition? Explain faith? Explain Solomon's wisdom?
the promotion of love, caring, patience, longsuffering, hope is not truth to you?
Are you infact the GOD that can prove that the bibile in not factual or promote truth? many have tried but God's word is still here where are they today? Up until now I had some repect for you views, you wrote earlier "you are you to condem what a man believes in or not" Surely millions account and testimonies are greater than yours.
yo for real?
the bible is a fictional work set in the backdrop of real places and events
thanks to the romans, you have jesus christ and not appolonius christ.....
go research it...........QG wrote:You want a lil proof padna?.....The muslim's book (The Quran) talks about Jesus and they are not ROMANS
They don't believe Jesus is the Son of God, but they see him as a prophet....point is, a non believer of Christ talks about him in their Holy Books other than the ROMAN's Bible
saddis you on drugs???
you citing evidence from a religion based on christianity, a religion whose founders picked and chose what they liked from the bible, and then added / changed what they saw necessary to suit their needs, values etc
you people have a right to be called sheep by your leaders
QG wrote:wagonrunner wrote:civic SIR wrote:^^ God wrote the ten commandments himself on stone tablets that was placed in the ark of the covenant so that their could be no arguement of human error.
except when 11-15 fell down and shattered.
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People have nothing better to do than to create this sh!t....A Mockery i say!
I does feel sorry for those people, if they only knew
Why is it so easy to mock God's teachings and his begotten son?
And ppl don't really mock Lord Shiva, and Hanuman's teachings?
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