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Dohplaydat wrote:What about the J&J? When we have all the J&J and Sinopharm would we be able to choose?
Take bullhover11 wrote:What is with all these confidential and non disclosure agreements , this is taxpayers dollars how in the world can it be spent and we don't know the details of such
hover11 wrote:What is with all these confidential and non disclosure agreements , this is taxpayers dollars how in the world can it be spent and we don't know the details of such
adnj wrote:hover11 wrote:What is with all these confidential and non disclosure agreements , this is taxpayers dollars how in the world can it be spent and we don't know the details of such
The Chinese government requires the nondisclosure clause as a condition of sale and supply.
Controversy over disclosure of Chinese COVID vaccine pricing in Bangladesh
http://ddnews.gov.in/international/cont ... bangladesh
hover11 wrote:Are you comfortable with that ,politics aside, that's ridiculous tbh we are not privy to anything yet money is being passedadnj wrote:hover11 wrote:What is with all these confidential and non disclosure agreements , this is taxpayers dollars how in the world can it be spent and we don't know the details of such
The Chinese government requires the nondisclosure clause as a condition of sale and supply.
Controversy over disclosure of Chinese COVID vaccine pricing in Bangladesh
http://ddnews.gov.in/international/cont ... bangladesh
Then don't buy Chinese vaccines and keep the borders closed and locked down the economy until something else is available.hover11 wrote:Are you comfortable with that ,politics aside, that's ridiculous tbh we are not privy to anything yet money is being passedadnj wrote:hover11 wrote:What is with all these confidential and non disclosure agreements , this is taxpayers dollars how in the world can it be spent and we don't know the details of such
The Chinese government requires the nondisclosure clause as a condition of sale and supply.
Controversy over disclosure of Chinese COVID vaccine pricing in Bangladesh
http://ddnews.gov.in/international/cont ... bangladesh
Vaccinated Britons now make up almost half of Covid cases in the country, a symptom-tracking study suggested today
elec2020 wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790999/Symptom-tracking-app-claims-number-people-falling-ill-virus-day-FALLEN.htmlVaccinated Britons now make up almost half of Covid cases in the country, a symptom-tracking study suggested today
But 47 per cent of cases are among those who have received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine, surging upwards from around a quarter at the start of June.
This does not mean the jabs do not work. Scientists have always been honest that they are not perfect and millions will still be vulnerable to infection even after getting both doses.
Millions of people worldwide have had one shot of two-dose COVID-19 vaccines.elec2020 wrote:the point is still that vaccinated getting infected. Or is it now that because these people only have one vaccine they more at risk than fully vaccinated? Does that not discredit the idiom that "any vaccine is better than none".
hover11 wrote:Renuka Singh
T&T has signed a confidentiality agreement with the US even as it is still negotiating the gift of COVID-19 vaccines.
Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley was interviewed by his former Parliamentary opponent Dr Bhoe Tewarie during the latter’s morning show ‘Brighter Morning with Bhoe’ and gave some details on the promised donation of vaccines from the US and the prices of vaccines overall.
“With respect to the price, I could give the population the assurance that we are doing well with the pricing situation. That’s the most I can say,” he said.
“We are paying a fairly attractive price,” he said.
“The cheapest vaccine available to us and the one with the prices disclosed is the vaccine that we got through the Covax,” Rowley said.
Rowley said $20 per dose is a good price and anything lower than that is better.
The Covax facility is a not-for-profit system that includes some 184 countries investing as unit to obtain vaccines in bulk.
“The Covax price is not $15, I think we are using $5 and that could be one of the reasons why the Covax is not being adequately supplied or replenished because of that arrangement upfront before the vaccines were approved and the price was set,” Rowley said.
The Prime Minister said that once more vaccines received the World Health Organisation (WHO) approval, the price became the driving force.
“The first offering of the vaccine to the wealthy countries was in the order of upwards of 50 Euros a dose. That is where the companies were at,” Rowley said.
The confidentiality agreement, Rowley said, protects the seller, who will try to “extract” the price they could negotiate from the buyer.
“We had to sign three documents, one of which has already been signed, that is a confidentiality document, so all our dealings with the United States are under confidentiality cover,” he said.
Rowley said that T&T is still negotiating with the US for a share of the promised vaccines.
“All along the US has been very forthcoming with promising vaccines but that situation remains a negotiating position,” he said.
Caricom is represented by the Caribbean Public Health Agency (Carpha).
“Only the Carpha persons in the room have the details of the information but that officer is under confidential contract,” he said.
The second document was signed off but the third document represents the supplier and that has not been signed yet.
“When that third document is signed, we should have had a meeting with the supplier a couple of days ago but that meeting was postponed and that should happen in the next few days, maybe even today (yesterday) and maybe after that we would have completed the three documents and then the logistics and distribution could start,” he said.
“So we are waiting on that,” Rowley said.
Rowley said that if the vaccines coming out of that negotiation is able to be used to vaccinate children then it would be used to help get kids back to school.
“But until we have it in our hands from the United States, we can’t say that but we are looking in that direction,” he said.
Access to these vaccines would be useful as the Covax facility is not receiving vaccines to distribute to its participants.
“That Covax mechanism is suffering,” Rowleys said.
“It is not receiving vaccines to distribute to countries like ours. We were to get, during this month of June, that third tranche which would have taken us to 100,000 which we started expecting earlier in the programme,” he said.
Rowley said that two Saturdays ago, Covax advised that the last tranche of 33,000 would no longer be coming in July but should be available in August. Rowley defended the purchase of the China-made Sinopharm vaccine.
“So if we did not get another supply we would have been here with no vaccine now because we had used up all that we have got,” he said.
The Prime Minister said that he still does not know where or how he contracted the COVID-19 virus but suspects he may have come into contact with a contaminated surface.
Rowley tested positive for the virus back in April and has maintained that he was not sure where or how he got the virus.
Rowley reiterated that the 85 people around them were tested and all were negative. The Prime Minister tested positive for the virus just after the Easter weekend in April. He was due to be vaccinated that same time and had to forego the jab then. The Prime Minister was vaccinated on Tuesday.
“I was in Tobago for a full week and I interacted with a few people, which were family members, my household and few family members and some regular friends,” he said.
Rowley said he had no other symptoms other than a “runny nose”.
“And during my period of isolation I didn’t feel ill, I stayed completely in isolation,” he said.
Rowley said he was able to exercise and eventually tested negative and returned fully to work.
Mmoney607 wrote:hover11 wrote:Renuka Singh
T&T has signed a confidentiality agreement with the US even as it is still negotiating the gift of COVID-19 vaccines.
Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley was interviewed by his former Parliamentary opponent Dr Bhoe Tewarie during the latter’s morning show ‘Brighter Morning with Bhoe’ and gave some details on the promised donation of vaccines from the US and the prices of vaccines overall.
“With respect to the price, I could give the population the assurance that we are doing well with the pricing situation. That’s the most I can say,” he said.
“We are paying a fairly attractive price,” he said.
“The cheapest vaccine available to us and the one with the prices disclosed is the vaccine that we got through the Covax,” Rowley said.
Rowley said $20 per dose is a good price and anything lower than that is better.
The Covax facility is a not-for-profit system that includes some 184 countries investing as unit to obtain vaccines in bulk.
“The Covax price is not $15, I think we are using $5 and that could be one of the reasons why the Covax is not being adequately supplied or replenished because of that arrangement upfront before the vaccines were approved and the price was set,” Rowley said.
The Prime Minister said that once more vaccines received the World Health Organisation (WHO) approval, the price became the driving force.
“The first offering of the vaccine to the wealthy countries was in the order of upwards of 50 Euros a dose. That is where the companies were at,” Rowley said.
The confidentiality agreement, Rowley said, protects the seller, who will try to “extract” the price they could negotiate from the buyer.
“We had to sign three documents, one of which has already been signed, that is a confidentiality document, so all our dealings with the United States are under confidentiality cover,” he said.
Rowley said that T&T is still negotiating with the US for a share of the promised vaccines.
“All along the US has been very forthcoming with promising vaccines but that situation remains a negotiating position,” he said.
Caricom is represented by the Caribbean Public Health Agency (Carpha).
“Only the Carpha persons in the room have the details of the information but that officer is under confidential contract,” he said.
The second document was signed off but the third document represents the supplier and that has not been signed yet.
“When that third document is signed, we should have had a meeting with the supplier a couple of days ago but that meeting was postponed and that should happen in the next few days, maybe even today (yesterday) and maybe after that we would have completed the three documents and then the logistics and distribution could start,” he said.
“So we are waiting on that,” Rowley said.
Rowley said that if the vaccines coming out of that negotiation is able to be used to vaccinate children then it would be used to help get kids back to school.
“But until we have it in our hands from the United States, we can’t say that but we are looking in that direction,” he said.
Access to these vaccines would be useful as the Covax facility is not receiving vaccines to distribute to its participants.
“That Covax mechanism is suffering,” Rowleys said.
“It is not receiving vaccines to distribute to countries like ours. We were to get, during this month of June, that third tranche which would have taken us to 100,000 which we started expecting earlier in the programme,” he said.
Rowley said that two Saturdays ago, Covax advised that the last tranche of 33,000 would no longer be coming in July but should be available in August. Rowley defended the purchase of the China-made Sinopharm vaccine.
“So if we did not get another supply we would have been here with no vaccine now because we had used up all that we have got,” he said.
The Prime Minister said that he still does not know where or how he contracted the COVID-19 virus but suspects he may have come into contact with a contaminated surface.
Rowley tested positive for the virus back in April and has maintained that he was not sure where or how he got the virus.
Rowley reiterated that the 85 people around them were tested and all were negative. The Prime Minister tested positive for the virus just after the Easter weekend in April. He was due to be vaccinated that same time and had to forego the jab then. The Prime Minister was vaccinated on Tuesday.
“I was in Tobago for a full week and I interacted with a few people, which were family members, my household and few family members and some regular friends,” he said.
Rowley said he had no other symptoms other than a “runny nose”.
“And during my period of isolation I didn’t feel ill, I stayed completely in isolation,” he said.
Rowley said he was able to exercise and eventually tested negative and returned fully to work.
So America selling vaccine now?
My position in all of these threads is to be objective. You want a vaccine, take it. You don't, keep walking. Beyond that, I am keenly aware of the need for others to join a group. You seem to not want a vaccine but don't seem to want to be the only one that doesn't take it.elec2020 wrote:
time will tell if the benefits really outweigh the risks
paid_influencer wrote:Mmoney607 wrote:hover11 wrote:Renuka Singh
T&T has signed a confidentiality agreement with the US even as it is still negotiating the gift of COVID-19 vaccines.
Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley was interviewed by his former Parliamentary opponent Dr Bhoe Tewarie during the latter’s morning show ‘Brighter Morning with Bhoe’ and gave some details on the promised donation of vaccines from the US and the prices of vaccines overall.
“With respect to the price, I could give the population the assurance that we are doing well with the pricing situation. That’s the most I can say,” he said.
“We are paying a fairly attractive price,” he said.
“The cheapest vaccine available to us and the one with the prices disclosed is the vaccine that we got through the Covax,” Rowley said.
Rowley said $20 per dose is a good price and anything lower than that is better.
The Covax facility is a not-for-profit system that includes some 184 countries investing as unit to obtain vaccines in bulk.
“The Covax price is not $15, I think we are using $5 and that could be one of the reasons why the Covax is not being adequately supplied or replenished because of that arrangement upfront before the vaccines were approved and the price was set,” Rowley said.
The Prime Minister said that once more vaccines received the World Health Organisation (WHO) approval, the price became the driving force.
“The first offering of the vaccine to the wealthy countries was in the order of upwards of 50 Euros a dose. That is where the companies were at,” Rowley said.
The confidentiality agreement, Rowley said, protects the seller, who will try to “extract” the price they could negotiate from the buyer.
“We had to sign three documents, one of which has already been signed, that is a confidentiality document, so all our dealings with the United States are under confidentiality cover,” he said.
Rowley said that T&T is still negotiating with the US for a share of the promised vaccines.
“All along the US has been very forthcoming with promising vaccines but that situation remains a negotiating position,” he said.
Caricom is represented by the Caribbean Public Health Agency (Carpha).
“Only the Carpha persons in the room have the details of the information but that officer is under confidential contract,” he said.
The second document was signed off but the third document represents the supplier and that has not been signed yet.
“When that third document is signed, we should have had a meeting with the supplier a couple of days ago but that meeting was postponed and that should happen in the next few days, maybe even today (yesterday) and maybe after that we would have completed the three documents and then the logistics and distribution could start,” he said.
“So we are waiting on that,” Rowley said.
Rowley said that if the vaccines coming out of that negotiation is able to be used to vaccinate children then it would be used to help get kids back to school.
“But until we have it in our hands from the United States, we can’t say that but we are looking in that direction,” he said.
Access to these vaccines would be useful as the Covax facility is not receiving vaccines to distribute to its participants.
“That Covax mechanism is suffering,” Rowleys said.
“It is not receiving vaccines to distribute to countries like ours. We were to get, during this month of June, that third tranche which would have taken us to 100,000 which we started expecting earlier in the programme,” he said.
Rowley said that two Saturdays ago, Covax advised that the last tranche of 33,000 would no longer be coming in July but should be available in August. Rowley defended the purchase of the China-made Sinopharm vaccine.
“So if we did not get another supply we would have been here with no vaccine now because we had used up all that we have got,” he said.
The Prime Minister said that he still does not know where or how he contracted the COVID-19 virus but suspects he may have come into contact with a contaminated surface.
Rowley tested positive for the virus back in April and has maintained that he was not sure where or how he got the virus.
Rowley reiterated that the 85 people around them were tested and all were negative. The Prime Minister tested positive for the virus just after the Easter weekend in April. He was due to be vaccinated that same time and had to forego the jab then. The Prime Minister was vaccinated on Tuesday.
“I was in Tobago for a full week and I interacted with a few people, which were family members, my household and few family members and some regular friends,” he said.
Rowley said he had no other symptoms other than a “runny nose”.
“And during my period of isolation I didn’t feel ill, I stayed completely in isolation,” he said.
Rowley said he was able to exercise and eventually tested negative and returned fully to work.
So America selling vaccine now?
One of the issues with getting the Pfizer vaccines has been liability protection. Who pays if things don't work out as the research and data suggests? Pfizer doesn't want that liability so it asks for waivers and large countries like the US gives them waivers and they accept.
For small countries, waivers aren't enough. There has been reports of some countries being asked to put up sovereign assets as collateral, to give substance to the manufacturer's liability protection in those countries.
so its not just the cost per vial.
Keith likely can't discuss any of this because of an .... N D A
Yeah Rowlair took it along with 1%MaxPower wrote:Pfizer has been in T&T for a while and only for the privileged.
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