PNM in Gov't (2020-2025)

[Kickstart]

The forex problems is a result of bad economic policies set out by the present government. It has nothing to do with oil & gas . We have been a gas based economy for some time now and not oil & gas.

Noted

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Back pedal again as you did not know that Trinidad is not an oil & gas economy.

[Dohplaydat]

Elec rel toting feelings

[sam1978]

This is the reason I generally read and don’t get involved in discussions. I’m in Couva Hospital with nothing to do so I decided to join in. The mental issues are real out here. I don’t see how discussing something with people who have different views could ever be like this. That’s why the world has so many problems today. People are not normally adjusted and some can’t cope with the pressures of life, so they trigger.

[widdyphuck]

What you all fail to realize is that whether the economy is diversified or not, ALL politicians always earn the salary, perks entertainment allowance and tax benefits so it dont affect them.
It's the small man does always have to pay when subsidies get cut or sharp drops in oil and gas are occurring. Rain sun or snow nothing affecting a dollar of their salary.
This is why I look forward to alot of them exiting this life the same way Frankie did.
On a chair by themselves leaving all the tax payers dollars behind in a bank account.

[pugboy]

i thought the tuner sycophants does get a little change

What you all fail to realize is that whether the economy is diversified or not, ALL politicians always earn the salary, perks entertainment allowance and tax benefits so it dont affect them.
It's the small man does always have to pay when subsidies get cut or sharp drops in oil and gas are occurring. Rain sun or snow nothing affecting a dollar of their salary.
This is why I look forward to alot of them exiting this life the same way Frankie did.
On a chair by themselves leaving all the tax payers dollars behind in a bank account.

[adnj]

Let’s try again.


No diversification.
Low forex supply.
Influx of illegal immigrants.
Country finances in a bad shape.
Compound means increase or aggravate.

Which one is incorrect ? (without childish memes and attacks)

Aggravate? Aggregate, yes.

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Dry wit evades you.

[sam1978]

Not really getting it though. Sorry.

[mad]

I see pics all the time, plus I’m based in Deep South and have actually seen boatloads land with lots of them. Three weeks ago I actually saw customs and police arrest 24 in Penal that just landed and the villagers in the St they were coming through reported them. The coast Guard do not patrol for the main part and that’s my point. They’re not doing their jobs. Checks and balances have to be put in place. Kudos to the Govt on that achievement. It’s a start.

Those who live in south knows exactly what's going on and the amount of Vene coming undetected day in day out by the boat load. When it now started I remember was $500US a head, not sure how much it is now. So money nice and everyone getting a lit cut. Hence it goes undetected.
To add to the burden, a lot of them coming in sick, no doubt they spreading Covid like wild fire. Cause when they land they all over Trinidad. Many of the ladies coming pregnant also.

[Habit7]

The forex problems is a result of bad economic policies set out by the present government. It has nothing to do with oil & gas . We have been a gas based economy for some time now and not oil & gas.

Noted

20201213_165422.jpg

Back pedal again as you did not know that Trinidad is not an oil & gas economy.

This is not a backpedal. This is me pointing out your nonsense that forex problems is a fault of this govt when it clearly existed prior to them. Why don't you backpedal from that?

I actually ignored your secondary nonsense of trying to be exacting. Being a gas based economy is subsumed in the fact we are comprehensively an oil and gas economy. We do produce oil, we just produce more gas relative to oil. But every year we make a national budget estimate based on forecasted Brent index crude oil price and a Henry Hub gas price because we are an oil and gas economy and the fluctuation of both commodities determine the majority of our revenues.

[Kickstart]

The forex problems is a result of bad economic policies set out by the present government. It has nothing to do with oil & gas . We have been a gas based economy for some time now and not oil & gas.

Noted

20201213_165422.jpg

Back pedal again as you did not know that Trinidad is not an oil & gas economy.

This is not a backpedal. This is me pointing out your nonsense that forex problems is a fault of this govt when it clearly existed prior to them. Why don't you backpedal from that?

I actually ignored your secondary nonsense of trying to be exacting. Being a gas based economy is subsumed in the fact we are comprehensively an oil and gas economy. We do produce oil, we just produce more gas relative to oil. But every year we make a national budget estimate based on forecasted Brent index crude oil price and a Henry Hub gas price because we are an oil and gas economy and the fluctuation of both commodities determine the majority of our revenues.

You failed to point out anything

[redmanjp]

This is the reason I generally read and don’t get involved in discussions. I’m in Couva Hospital with nothing to do so I decided to join in. The mental issues are real out here. I don’t see how discussing something with people who have different views could ever be like this. That’s why the world has so many problems today. People are not normally adjusted and some can’t cope with the pressures of life, so they trigger.

couva hospital u say? so what's the situation there? getting filled with covid patients?

[sMASH]

Problem is, people don't care if they get kick in they teeth, once is not an Indian party in power... they red and dead!

[sam1978]

This is the reason I generally read and don’t get involved in discussions. I’m in Couva Hospital with nothing to do so I decided to join in. The mental issues are real out here. I don’t see how discussing something with people who have different views could ever be like this. That’s why the world has so many problems today. People are not normally adjusted and some can’t cope with the pressures of life, so they trigger.

couva hospital u say? so what's the situation there? getting filled with covid patients?

Real busy , patients being dropped off all the time. Some being discharged and it fills right back up. The system is well rehearsed though , no real glitches.

[Habit7]

Problem is, people don't care if they get kick in they teeth, once is not an Indian party in power... they red and dead!

You know that Afro Trinibagonians make up only 36% of the population and PNM got 49% of the 2020 vote. So even if every single Afro voted for PNM, they still got a considerable number of other ethnicities to vote for them.

Tobago is 87% Afro and voted for Kamla in 2010.

So your problem is, that your attempt to push racism doesn't line up with the facts.

[sMASH]

apply that proportionality to the pnm strong holds... where pnm wins hands down. u really want to say lavantee is 36% afro?

[Habit7]

apply that proportionality to the pnm strong holds... where pnm wins hands down. u really want to say lavantee is 36% afro?

You cannot use a PNM stronghold to exemplify the entire country. The majority of the country has no problem with an Indo Trinidadian running the country and has voted for one several times. The UNC is currently unelectable, so rather than deal with the inherent faults within the UNC to make them electable, you and other UNC supporters say that the country is the problem.

Thus, you push race.

[sMASH]

the entire country didnt vote for pnm... and didnt win it for them. its the strong holds that keeping them in. come hell, high water, or pool, they red and ready!!!

people mad, keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. oarrrr, keep doing the same thing, cause they want that result....

[elec2020]

voter turnout was 58 % (658,297 voted and 1,134,135 are registered to vote). implying that a significant amount of the electorate are displeased with the options provided.

[adnj]

voter turnout was 58 % (658,297 voted and 1,134,135 are registered to vote). implying that a significant amount of the electorate are displeased with the options provided.

Or, in a broader sense, that there is no relevant issue being addressed.

Why is Turnout at Elections Declining Across the Democratic World?

Luca Ferrini

Cultural explanations are largely successful in explaining the change in voter turnout that has occurred in the last four decades. While experiencing declining turnout, this period has also experienced decreasing levels of personal interest in politics and lowering levels of civic culture (including trust in political institutions and in the political system). Declining trust in traditional democratic institutions as vehicles for personal fulfilment and well-being has eroded the sentiment of civic duty.

The data available supports these patterns of social change. Data does not cover all periods of interest, and not all countries equally and is particularly deficient with regards to social indicators that are not easily quantifiable. As Stolle and Hooghe admit,

“Outside the United States, few long-term and reliable time-series are available.  True, voter turnout, party and union memberships are well documented, but most informal forms of social interaction are not”.

The data that is available, however, is strikingly consistent in its results and can be effective in explaining cultural and behavioural trends.

Since the 1960s, there has been a shift in the priorities and values of western citizens who, by adapting to high levels of material well-being and abundant food and health security, have increasingly prioritised autonomy and individual quality-of-life issues over more basic economic necessities and class divisions. Traditional forms of community life and interaction have largely eroded, giving space to individualism and social isolation; the growth in interest groups and single-issue lobbies reflects the inadequacy of traditional party politics to address specific individual interests and concerns.

Such progressive shift to, as Inglehart describes them, postmodern values, is probably the deepest cause for declining turnout. It is the reason behind lower levels of civic and political culture, which, in turn, has caused decreasing confidence in political processes, a lower sense of civic duty and declining political engagement.

https://www.e-ir.info/2012/09/27/why-is ... tic-world/

[elec2020]

yes and no. Because when it matters voters will come out. so when NAR came in voter turnout was 65.5 per cent. When PP came in voter turnout was 69.8 per cent. When PP came out, voter turnout was 66.8 per cent. History shows that people will come out and vote out a party when they believe the options are better than what is present. In the 2020 elections what options we had? UNC and PEP. Please. Hoping that 2025 we have some better options.

[Habit7]

the entire country didnt vote for pnm... and didnt win it for them. its the strong holds that keeping them in. come hell, high water, or pool, they red and ready!!!

people mad, keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. oarrrr, keep doing the same thing, cause they want that result....

Both parties have strongholds in ethnically homogenous constituencies, almost equally. But that is not enough to win elections. It is about winning the marginals and for the last 2 elections PNM has been winning them comfortably. Rather than point to poor campaigning and poor candidate choices by the UNC, you pull the race card. Anything to absolve the UNC and divide the country you want them to lead.

The PNM chose a bad candidate with Gypsy and lost horribly in that marginal. But in your small mind, in 2015 they want no Indian leader, but in 2020 they changed their mind.

[sam1978]

the entire country didnt vote for pnm... and didnt win it for them. its the strong holds that keeping them in. come hell, high water, or pool, they red and ready!!!

people mad, keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. oarrrr, keep doing the same thing, cause they want that result....

Both parties have strongholds in ethnically homogenous constituencies, almost equally. But that is not enough to win elections. It is about winning the marginals and for the last 2 elections PNM has been winning them comfortably. Rather than point to poor campaigning and poor candidate choices by the UNC, you pull the race card. Anything to absolve the UNC and divide the country you want them to lead.

The PNM chose a bad candidate with Gypsy and lost horribly in that marginal. But in your small mind, in 2015 they want no Indian leader, but in 2020 they changed their mind.

This is the main reason for the UNC loss. Fence sitters and swing voters who would have wanted to vote out the PNM , would have seen the choices as even worse than what they were faced with in the PNM. That coupled with Kamla Persad- Bissessar’s petulant holding on to the reins, even while seeing what it cost in previous elections twisted the knife for the final kill.

[Kickstart]

apply that proportionality to the pnm strong holds... where pnm wins hands down. u really want to say lavantee is 36% afro?

You cannot use a PNM stronghold to exemplify the entire country. The majority of the country has no problem with an Indo Trinidadian running the country and has voted for one several times. The UNC is currently unelectable, so rather than deal with the inherent faults within the UNC to make them electable, you and other UNC supporters say that the country is the problem.

Thus, you push race.

Constituencies was created and boundaries shifted to maintain that PNM keeps the lead. They entire election and boundaries is rotten to the core. When a constituency population grows they mark out the opposition areas with that constituency and they simply change it to maintain that PNM wins that seat. Then you have voter padding via HDC homes. We all know that HDC houses are given to PNM family.

[elec2020]

^ another person claiming that PNM thief the elections. If the UNC was smart then why did they not engage in practices to improve voter turnout (in their favor). Oh wait they did with the blank man narrative. But guess that was counter-productive

[Kickstart]

^ another person claiming that PNM thief the elections. If the UNC was smart then why did they not engage in practices to improve voter turnout (in their favor). Oh wait they did with the blank man narrative. But guess that was counter-productive

I am not understanding you, where did I say that PNM stole an election? If anything I showed how they manufactured votes by moving boundaries , HDC homes and expanding in to opposition areas .

[Gladiator]

apply that proportionality to the pnm strong holds... where pnm wins hands down. u really want to say lavantee is 36% afro?

You cannot use a PNM stronghold to exemplify the entire country. The majority of the country has no problem with an Indo Trinidadian running the country and has voted for one several times. The UNC is currently unelectable, so rather than deal with the inherent faults within the UNC to make them electable, you and other UNC supporters say that the country is the problem.

Thus, you push race.

Constituencies was created and boundaries shifted to maintain that PNM keeps the lead. They entire election and boundaries is rotten to the core. When a constituency population grows they mark out the opposition areas with that constituency and they simply change it to maintain that PNM wins that seat. Then you have voter padding via HDC homes. We all know that HDC houses are given to PNM family.

Didn't this happen with Greenvale and the La Horquetta/Talparo seat???

[Kickstart]

apply that proportionality to the pnm strong holds... where pnm wins hands down. u really want to say lavantee is 36% afro?

You cannot use a PNM stronghold to exemplify the entire country. The majority of the country has no problem with an Indo Trinidadian running the country and has voted for one several times. The UNC is currently unelectable, so rather than deal with the inherent faults within the UNC to make them electable, you and other UNC supporters say that the country is the problem.

Thus, you push race.

Constituencies was created and boundaries shifted to maintain that PNM keeps the lead. They entire election and boundaries is rotten to the core. When a constituency population grows they mark out the opposition areas with that constituency and they simply change it to maintain that PNM wins that seat. Then you have voter padding via HDC homes. We all know that HDC houses are given to PNM family.

Didn't this happen with Greenvale and the La Horquetta/Talparo seat???

I believe so and I know it happened in San Fernando in the opposition areas where caroni land was taken and HDC homes built and given to PNM supporters. Manipulation was played out

[Habit7]

apply that proportionality to the pnm strong holds... where pnm wins hands down. u really want to say lavantee is 36% afro?

You cannot use a PNM stronghold to exemplify the entire country. The majority of the country has no problem with an Indo Trinidadian running the country and has voted for one several times. The UNC is currently unelectable, so rather than deal with the inherent faults within the UNC to make them electable, you and other UNC supporters say that the country is the problem.

Thus, you push race.

Constituencies was created and boundaries shifted to maintain that PNM keeps the lead. They entire election and boundaries is rotten to the core. When a constituency population grows they mark out the opposition areas with that constituency and they simply change it to maintain that PNM wins that seat. Then you have voter padding via HDC homes. We all know that HDC houses are given to PNM family.

Didn't this happen with Greenvale and the La Horquetta/Talparo seat???

I believe so and I know it happened in San Fernando in the opposition areas where caroni land was taken and HDC homes built and given to PNM supporters. Manipulation was played out

The fictitious scenario you conjured up with the EBC remains a lie https://newsday.co.tt/2020/05/09/ebc-or ... ituencies/
The PP gave out the houses at Greenvale, not the PNM https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2. ... 8e5602fcb1

Somehow the constituencies are fine when UNC wins, but PNM is all manner of subterfuge. Apparently, UNC never loses, somebody always cheating them.

[bluefete]

Did he or didn't he?

[MaxPower]

Not sure,

But hey, getting “hacked” is always the excuse.