The Religion Discussion

[bluefete]

are you saying that that Mohism, Taoism, and Confucianism AND the Mahābhārata got these ideas from the Bible?

Which civilizations existed first or had access to writing materials the earliest?

The Europeans will tell you that they did.

However, even the Bible acknowledges that India is one of the oldest civilizations. But Africa is where it all started.

[bluefete]

42 Principles of Maat 2000 years before Ten Commandments

The Ten Commandments, eight of them at least, were taken from the Egyptian Principles of Ma’at written at least 2000 years earlier.

Written at least 2,000 years before the Ten Commandments of Moses, the 42 Principles of Ma’at are one of Africa’s, and the world’s, oldest sources of moral and spiritual instruction. Ma’at, the Ancient Egyptian divine Principle of Truth, Justice, and Righteousness, is the foundation of natural and social order and unity. Ancient Africans developed a humane system of thought and conduct which has been recorded in volumes of African wisdom literature, such as, these declarations from the Book of Coming Forth By Day (the so-called Book of the Dead), The Teachings of Ptah-Hotep, the writings of Ani, Amenemope, Merikare, and others.

THE 42 COMMANDMENTS OF ANCIENT EGYPT

I. Thou shalt not kill, nor bid anyone kill.
II. Thou shalt not commit adultery or rape.
III. Thou shalt not avenge thyself nor burn with rage.
IV. Thou shalt not cause terror.
V. Thou shalt not assault anyone nor cause anyone pain.
VI. Thou shalt not cause misery.
VII. Thou shalt not do any harm to man or to animals.
VIII. Thou shalt not cause the shedding of tears.
IX. Thou shalt not wrong the people nor bear them any evil intent.
X. Thou shalt not steal nor take that which does not belong to you.
XI. Thou shalt not take more than thy fair share of food.
XII. Thou shalt not damage the crops, the fields, or the trees.
XIII. Thou shalt not deprive anyone of what is rightfully theirs.
XIV. Thou shalt not bear false witness, nor support false allegations.
XV. Thou shalt not lie, nor speak falsely to the hurt of another.
XVI. Thou shalt not use fiery words nor stir up any strife.
XVII. Thou shalt not speak or act deceitfully to the hurt of another.
XVIII. Thou shalt not speak scornfully against others.
XIX. Thou shalt not eavesdrop.
XX. Thou shalt not ignore the truth or words of righteousness.
XXI. Thou shalt not judge anyone hastily or harshly.
XXII. Thou shalt not disrespect sacred places.
XXIII. Thou shalt cause no wrong to be done to any workers or prisoners.
XXIV. Thou shalt not be angry without good reason.
XXV. Thou shalt not hinder the flow of running water.
XXVI. Thou shalt not waste the running water.
XXVII. Thou shalt not pollute the water or the land.
XXVIII. Thou shalt not take God’s name in vain.
XXIX. Thou shalt not despise nor anger God.
XXX. Thou shalt not steal from God.
XXXI. Thou shalt not give excessive offerings nor less than what is due.
XXXII. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.
XXXIII. Thou shalt not steal from nor disrespect the dead.
XXXIV. Thou shalt remember and observe the appointed holy days.
XXXV. Thou shalt not hold back the offerings due God.
XXXVI. Thou shalt not interfere with sacred rites.
XXXVII. Thou shalt not slaughter with evil intent any sacred animals.
XXXVIII. Thou shalt not act with guile or insolence.
XXXIX. Thou shalt not be unduly proud nor act with arrogance.
XL. Thou shalt not magnify your condition beyond what is appropriate.
XLI. Thou shalt do no less than your daily obligations require.
XLII. Thou shalt obey the law and commit no treason.

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/ ... mandments/

[bluefete]

I'm just trying to keep up with your logic here.
Are you now saying that: Any county's laws that have words in them that match commandments from a religious scripture proves that the entire legal system is based on the that religious scripture's commandments?

It is a classic chicken and egg situation.

Which came first? Religion or moral laws?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Which came first? Religion or moral laws?

which one do you think?

[crystalE]

Moral' religion is just used to reinforce morals.

[meccalli]

If you don't believe in a God. Why does this matter? But let me answer you before I'm accused of sidestepping.

It's true. It was amazing mercy given the horrors and abominations that happened in that time as well as God's attitude of repentance when he saw what was done. Killing is a general term Ratsakh whereas the translation is mut referring to murder rather than kill. Clear cut on stone. It's that solid and simple. Excluded? God is just and righteous, his law is Godliness. Lawlessness is ungodly as the very definition of sin is transgression against the law and thus against God himself.

[MD Marketers]

Where is all this hate coming from?

Hmmn, I should probably ask you to define hate at this point and what logical evidence can you produce to prove my statements are hateful lol.

Where in my statements have I claimed to believe anything?

Maybe God thinks killing everyone is the best way to end world suffering.
What do you think Bluesclues?

So, you don't believe in the claims the video you posted? Given you assume that they are accurate (as you expected a response from this) without ever investigating it. Are you seeing why I can't possibly take you seriously as someone who's genuinely inquisitive, rather just another headstrong atheist who comes to rant in the thread without ever pursuing any form of study in the very material they criticize and turn their noses upon because of preconceived notions held against it.

I am biased on the side of logical information, not because I have a preconceived belief system.

Hmmn lets see, logical information in a chaotic natural world that was created and functions on the basis of dice and no basis- Everything from nothing, There's absolutely nothing more illogical than that premise . "If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning.”

It needs sources of information outside of the 10 commandments to explain it

Of course, it's not like God ever said anything else. After all, the Bible only consists of 10 commandments personally addressed to MD Marketers living in Trinidad in 2015.

appeal to the masses.

Sorry, people like me aren't popular anywhere if you haven't noticed. We're considered the bane of progress and why atheists must pursue the mandate of debating doctrines of non existent deities.

You attempt to answer the question & did not use a logical explanation

Oh boy. I guess your idea study entails looking at calculus and saying this is nonsense.

If you did not mean these words in a negative way then it is not hateful:
Ignorant
Neglect
Rant
Idiotic


I do not absolutely believe in anything except logic. I assume logical statements to be true for the purpose of discussion. I do not have any preconceived notions other than the assumption of logic. I do not rule out the possibility that something can be true once it is logical. It's the 4th time I have said this in this thread & I will keep saying it each time someone accuses me of having an absolute belief in something other than logic.

Why do you continue to label me as Atheist?
I am not an Atheist. Atheist's believe that God does not exist. I will say it again:
I do not believe that God does not exist. I also do not believe that God does exist. I do not absolutely believe in anything except logic. I assume logical statements to be true for the purpose of discussion.
Eg. Based on the definition of Circles, they are not squares therefore I will not assume that circles are squares until you can logically explain this to me. It is illogical.

I have given arguments for the existence of a creator God in this thread. I have also gotten an Atheist to agree that we cannot 100% rule out the possibility that a creator God can exist.
So how can you possibly accuse me of being an Atheist?
If you want an argument with an Atheist look elsewhere.

Chaotic natural world is not one of my assumptions. If you wish to discuss that logically someday we might.

Calculus isn't illogical.
I am not debating doctrines, I am simply understanding the perspective logic of everyone & everything I communicate with.
I am not Atheist for the last time.

I am Agnostic.

Why does anything matter? If nothing mattered then I would cease to exist.
Why does belief in God matter? It matters to those that wish to understand the logical perspective of others.

[bluesclues]

not just my morality. the morality of all law in all countries. they stem from the 10 commandments and interpretation of it's source intention.

in China too?

BTW only 7, 8, 9 and 10 are illegal by law. Most countries do not have laws that make it illegal to carry out what is forbidden in the first 6 Commandments. In fact some of the first 6 Commandments go against what most countries have laws for, such as freedom of religion to worship which ever God you wish, freedom of expression and you can do what you like on a weekend.

its a bit deeper than that i think. some of the laws are 'nature of man'/karma based. others are enforced by punishment. adultery isnt illegal, but it still drives men to commit murder. that is nature/karma based. it once was illegal, but some dude came along and said 'try your best to forgive your adulterous wives. theyre only human and struggle to avoid sin just like everyone else including you'. its all in there. even why men were allowed to kill adulterous wives in the first place.. as i said.. its nature based. God never said stone your wives or kill them for adultery. the men of the time were simply so enraged by the betrayal and thought of it that they would hear of 'forgiveness. they forced the prophet and God to allow them to kill their wives by local law for adultery because they could not conceive that level of forgiveness. it is a sin they could not give up because of man's nature. murdering their wives was always a sin. and so was adultery. both, keep men and women out of heaven.

so this dude came along and said. u cheated on your husband.. u not going to heaven unless you stop and dont ever do it again (repent). your wife cheated on you, you not going to heaven unless you forgive her. and God will then forgive you for your sins to him because you forgave her.

its a twist on society. going from primitive animalistic drive, to intellectual karma understanding of the universe in operation. sorry if im not being clear on what i mean.

but either way.. a man can obey all the laws of the land and still not go to heaven. God's laws are more important, and even if they arent local laws, obeying them helps to keep the peace. instead.. we face something that even those in the old days could not do. give up certain sins. some of us would rather die than to give up a particular sin. why someone goes on a alter and oath's their life to eachother, promise to be faithful and then cheat or operate selfishly like 2 separate entities still.. is just dishonorable betrayal. that is not what marriage is about or means and many have no clue. they just go thru the motions because others do. not realizing how powerfully symbolic the act of marriage is in aligning oneself with the will of God.. or rather... the intention and hope of God for mankind to achieve.

everything has a reason. and everything is explained. everything God advises in all the religious books is good for peace on earth. it just takes sacrifice. sacrifice of strange things like.. 'revenge', dishonorable behaviour, lying and deception.. etc.

so yeah.. some of the 10 or even 42 of egypt or the 1000s from ancient and pre-ancient judaism and asia arent illegal and enforced by law officers. but ignoring them will most likely not get you graduated spiritually.

all laws however are formed from interpreting universal intention and for keeping the peace and can be found in those 10. which are summarizations of the 42, which are summarizations of the goal of the 1000s. things are just a little different now, and there are laws that were created by corporate powers and not the people. and well.. those laws.. sure dont help keep the peace. they increase the murder rate. so obviously, as soon as man starts doing his own thing he gets punished. they are known as unjust laws. laws which infringe upon human personal belief. just laws are founded on morality. and no law can enter the lawbooks unless the morality it targets can be demonstrated as important and beneficial. so.. u got some sells in there where some people convinced other people that some laws were for moral reasons. but the reason was only money. now the world goes to sh!t.. murder rates go high.. extremism etc etc. all man's doing. all in his choices. all in his assuming he can do anything without there being a backlash. but the backlash comes.. it comes in ways we cant count. just look around at our peaceful country and world. enjoy a romantic night on the beach alone with your gf? nope both of u might get robbed and raped at midnight. but... it wasnt always like that.

[MD Marketers]

Bluesclues,

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.
We will get to the other points up you posted afterwards if you like.

[bluesclues]

Bluesclues,

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.
We will get to the other points up you posted afterwards if you like.

i already did for myself. which is why im stating it. its just hard to go through it all on the forum. i could however show you where in the bible christianity took the rule from kings to give it to the people in the formation of the thing called democracy. if u dont know where it is already. it's very clear.

[MD Marketers]

Bluesclues,

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.
We will get to the other points up you posted afterwards if you like.

i already did for myself. which is why im stating it. its just hard to go through it all on the forum. i could however show you where in the bible christianity took the rule from kings to give it to the people in the formation of the thing called democracy. if u dont know where it is already. it's very clear.

Bluesclues,

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.
We will get to the other points up you posted afterwards if you like.

[bluesclues]

Bluesclues,

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.
We will get to the other points up you posted afterwards if you like.

i already did for myself. which is why im stating it. its just hard to go through it all on the forum. i could however show you where in the bible christianity took the rule from kings to give it to the people in the formation of the thing called democracy. if u dont know where it is already. it's very clear.

Bluesclues,

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.
We will get to the other points up you posted afterwards if you like.

ill tell you what. im pretty sure that you can get those answers by googling.. 'how laws are interpretted from the ten commandments' or something to that effect. because i dont think you understand what you are asking me to type out on a forum for you. i wouldnt even know where to start with you and how much you know about the history.. of law.

there is actually only one law. love. love is all the law and all the laws come from love. so basically the first commandment. love God and have no other Gods(fabricated/idols) before him is the beginning of and major summary of all the law. love is peace. but first you need to know what really is love. love is law. its what keeps life existing planets rotating and galaxies blossoming.

best start i can give you is to read the constitution of any democratic country. the very first lines of them all will mention something called inalienable rights. they are inalienable because God is acknowledged as the original designer and provider of those rights, and so .. no man, nor group of men is allowed to take them away. such rights also exist in communist china. failing that.. circumvention of the setting, will lead to nature's intervention. as history has shown. if man can give rights and take them away of his own accord. he has to remember, that he bleeds and can die no matter how much riches or power he thinks he has or gained through corruption, selfishness and immorality(atheist leaders in history). and when he/they crosses the line, nature takes over and people rise up. e.g is noted in Micah 2 of the bible. that is the major reason why rights and laws come from God. because, our equals cannot set dominion over us. we wouldnt have to obey or listen... unless we agree.

if uve got points u wish to tackle id suggest u take them point by point. there is absolutely no way im going to just ype out everything on a forum. it would be like spoonfeeding on steroids.

[MD Marketers]

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.

[bluesclues]

I am still waiting for you to show 10 commandments being replicated in the laws of all countries.

keep waiting. because ur not asking the correct question. the question u ask cannot be answered. but there is an answer. it just cannot be answered on this forum. iand its obvious now u dont understand what ur asking.

[bluesclues]

when you get the question right. ill answer

[MD Marketers]

Why should I even bother asking you a question?
Why do you even bother making claims?
Never once can you give a proper answer.
Only riddles & redirection.
Imagine a school being run like this.
Imagine a world being run like this.
Filled with 2 people:
People that think they have all the answers but cant explain it and people that want the answers but cant get it.
Where are the people who want answers going to go? Everyone else who thinks they have the answer are telling you look elsewhere. They are totally useless to the questioners.
Why even bother answering a question or making a statement if you can't explain it?
Are you seeking attention?
This might be my last reply to you as I just don't have that much spare time to throw away.

Thanks for your attempts at logical discussion Bluesclues. Hopefully someday people will understand you and give you the attention you think you deserve.

[bluesclues]

no riddles. no redirection. ur just not asking a feasible question. u dont even understand what ur asking. so no. im not going to waste time, and forum space answering. sorry.. i just dont got that kinda zeal no more. ive tried it before. no. just.. no. u dont even see how many answers ive already given you. if u really want to know.. google. as the saying goes. the truth is out there. and nothing is hidden anymore. all has been revealed and is available for anyone who is seeking to know the answers. not like its 3000bc and only the kings can read.

[MD Marketers]

Anyone else here that thinks the 10 commandments founded the Chinese laws please message me. It doesnt sound logical. Until then I have nothing more to say on the matter.

[Slartibartfast]

So... much... reading. What did I miss? TL:DR anyone?

[MD Marketers]

So... much... reading. What did I miss? TL:DR anyone?

Save yourself the trouble. Bluesclues claiming the 10 commandments is responsible for all modern day laws. Even China.

Duane & I asked how he came to this conclusion and he responded something about google & his hidden intellect.

I asked 4 times to explain himself and he redirected me to google each time.

That's the last time I'm responding to Bluesclues. I don't have that much spare time to throw away.

[Slartibartfast]

Ahhhhh OK. Blues is assuming that law is based on morality and that all morality is based on the ten commandments.

[RBphoto]

Do you still believe in leprechauns?

[MG Man]

[Slartibartfast]

Do you still believe in leprechauns?

Nope, now a question for you....









... Do you know the muffin man?

[bluesclues]

what's the capital of port of spain? what street can i find the planet earth? err how much does a mechanic charge to fix a broken water pipe? if anyone can answer tyese questions ill answer md marketers in full lol

[Slartibartfast]

what's the capital of port of spain? what street can i find the planet earth? err how much does a mechanic charge to fix a broken water pipe? if anyone can answer tyese questions ill answer md marketers in full lol

1. Hyatt
2. Any street with a "Knowledge Zone" that sells globes
3. Just as much as an electrician cuz Mr. Carty doin anything

And your answer now please?

[rick46176]

LOL hey when we are the ones in heaven worshiping our lord and saviour and they are the ones burning in hell for help, then we shall see what is fictional from what is not , i really pray for the non believers but they never did listen , jesus was hated in this earth because he was doing his father work , why sould we be loved if we are doing the same

[bluesclues]

dont it make sense? we're already in hell. that's why God saves those who everyone hates. cus when demons hate u.. thats not really a bad thing.

but on another note. case in point. it is sad what immorality and a lack of faith in instruction does to the world. ive finally come to terms with it all tho. i understand why it is the way it is. so sad. but i have no more tears to shed for man.

www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-07-08/no-p ... m=facebook

[bluesclues]

what's the capital of port of spain? what street can i find the planet earth? err how much does a mechanic charge to fix a broken water pipe? if anyone can answer tyese questions ill answer md marketers in full lol

1. Hyatt
2. Any street with a "Knowledge Zone" that sells globes
3. Just as much as an electrician cuz Mr. Carty doin anything

And your answer now please?

nice try..but

1. hyatt is an overpriced shitty multi story Motel with shitty rooms and poor customer service. one ill never be going to again. it may be the capital of the dump. but not of pos

2. what is a knowledge zone? is that like free wifi?

3. ill swap.. what page of the ocean can i find information on donald duck's date of birth?

[Slartibartfast]

w if anyone can answer tyese questions ill answer md marketers in full lol

I answered your questions. That was the only requirement.