The Religion Discussion

[MD Marketers]

GTC:
Abbreviated form of "God the Creator".
Meaning: The catalyst that created the space & time of this universe.

Logical reason for believing in a catalyst that created the space & time of this universe:
Infinity can create the finite, but the finite cannot create the infinite.

Regards intelligent creator:
I haven't argued for or against the existence of an intelligent creator as yet.
It took me a week just to establish that it is logical to believe in a catalyst for creation outside the realm of space time.
Will probably tackle that tonight.

Regards an above all realities God:
We will end up at an illogical paradox if we assume that there was a catalyst that can "create time".
The very words "create time" is a contradiction & thereby illogical. Therefore such a being cannot exist.

[Slartibartfast]

Ok how about these definitions moving forward in discussions between us.

ISIS - God as an all powerful being
GTC - The catalyst that created the space & time of this universe. (i.e. may or may not be ISIS)
CrEv - Creation event or the catalyst that is purely physical that created the space and time of this universe (i.e. definitely not ISIS). [can also use CREV or Crev).

So when Habit or one of the blues mention God it can take on the meaning of ISIS.

I agree with your logical reasoning. By this logic it is also illogical to assume finite can come from absence.

I just want to add that there are arguments, theories and experiments that affirm the notion that this illogical paradox is true. The arguments are compelling and interesting and assuming the affirmations to be true, it is logical to think that it may be due to something imperceptible. In other words, we may be unable to perceive some of the infiniteness from which our finiteness sprouted. Like a parasitic worm trying to perceive deep space.

Regards to an intelligent creator:
Now, even if we assume that was the case, it would still hold true with a CREV and by extension your GOD while not offering any proof of ISIS.

Regards "Creating time":
There is nothing that points to something being able to create time and I agree it sounds like a paradox. However, even I am neither for or against the idea of a CREV that can create time as there are many physical phenomena in the quantum world that seem paradoxical to me. So we could agree to ignore this as I will have nothing of relevance to put in.

[MD Marketers]

To move forward in discussion we most both agree to the definitions.

Gtc is not contradictory & therefore logical.
Crev I not contradictory & therefore logical.

Isis I am not sure what you mean by "all powerful"?
Does this mean that it can do anything it wants?
Meaning: It can cease to exist, it can uncreate the universe, it can unexist, it can prove circles are squares, it can be the most powerful whilst still being the most powerless?

[Slartibartfast]

Isis is really just meant to be GTC if GTC was definitely an intelligent being. So the only power of Isis that is confirmed is that he/she can create and entire universe and he/she did it.

However, even though I did not mean it this way, I would not object to you creating powers of your own for the sake of the argument (like turning water into wine and bringing people back from the dead). I will entertain your thoughts to keep the discussion flowing. As you have not yet brought up these powers, they do not yet exist.

[MD Marketers]

Ok agreed to assume all 3 descriptions are logical & do not contradict themselves.
So what's next on our agenda?
Intelligent design for the purpose of creating mankind?
Can I debate on behalf of unintelligent design?
The alternative is going to be harder.

[Slartibartfast]

Hmmm... this should be interesting. Which deity would do you think would be mosy interesting to assume? I was raised Catholic but I feel that has been beaten to death in this thread.

[MD Marketers]

Ok I have given it some thought.
I am going to defend almost any religion you give me from the perspective of logic and sanity.
I will do my utmost best to defend this religion honestly and logically as if my very life depended on it.

Name the faith.
Tuners help me defend too please & keep it logical

[bluesclues]

some say religion is only a tool used to control the masses.

my question. would the world be a better place if religion didnt exist with it's Gods saying 'thou shalt not murder'? and its laws being enforced with punishment? would we all be living peaceful lives across the world if there were no Gods and no Gods laws?

[MD Marketers]

some say religion is only a tool used to control the masses.

my question. would the world be a better place if religion didnt exist with it's
Gods saying 'thou shalt not murder'? and its laws being enforced with punishment? would we all be living peaceful lives across the world if there were no Gods and no Gods laws?

Assuming that the bible is the word of God I think humanity would have been much better off if God had just shut his mouth.

Maybe God thinks killing everyone is the best way to end world suffering.
What do you think Bluesclues?

[bluesclues]

errr. i thought u were defending religion?

[MD Marketers]

errr. i thought u were defending religion?

No. Only religious logic.
It's me vs SBF.
If you say something illogical like God doesn't like Murder, I'm gonna have to point it out.

[bluesclues]

ok so the world would be a better place if man didnt put forward laws from 'a supreme being'? it would be better if man just made the laws and said.. man made them instead of some invisible God then?

[MD Marketers]

ok so the world would be a better place if man didnt put forward laws from 'a supreme being'? it would be better if man just made the laws and said.. man made them instead of some invisible God then?

If that God doesn't have man's best interest at heart then yes.

[bluesclues]

ok so the world would be a better place if man didnt put forward laws from 'a supreme being'? it would be better if man just made the laws and said.. man made them instead of some invisible God then?

If that God doesn't have man's best interest at heart then yes.

ok from the basic laws put forward. the 10 commandments. does it seem like that God has our best interest at heart?

[MD Marketers]

ok so the world would be a better place if man didnt put forward laws from 'a supreme being'? it would be better if man just made the laws and said.. man made them instead of some invisible God then?

If that God doesn't have man's best interest at heart then yes.

ok from the basic laws put forward. the 10 commandments. does it seem like that God has our best interest at heart?

We are discussing morality with reference to God here.
Are you making the claim that the 10 commandments are the only source of your morality?
I will discuss further once we clear this up.

[MD Marketers]

On a side note take a look this:
"1.“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2.“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments."

What does he mean "before me"?
Don't bring another God before him?
Don't listen to another God before you listen to him?
Don't believe in other God's before you start believing in him?
Don't believe anything another God tell's you if it contradicts with Yahweh's commands?

If this is supposed to mean "There is only one God" then why didn't he say:
"I am the Lord your ONLY God"
"You shall have no other God's EXCEPT me"

Obviously the person explaining God's words has found some more literature on the matter that clears this up.

So technically I am still allowed to have a God other than Yahweh.
Also I am not allowed to make/worship any idols of these God's if they are anything above ground, on the ground or below it.

This is what these words mean if you read it as is. If you need an outside source then obviously the 10 commandments cannot stand on its own.

I can worship the Galaxy without carving an idol of it & Yahweh wouldn't have any objections right?
I can worship this planet as a whole from exosphere to core & the possibility of me going to heaven still exists?

I'm just following your logic here. The instant you tell me it's so because you said so then this conversation is over. So bring logic to the table please.

[meccalli]

lol, MD I hope you actually read those verses in those videos you posted. The author is either highly ignorant or never understood basic comprehension.

On a side note take a look this:

'before' is not indicating priority here, it's denoting placement. In front of, God sees it all, he doesn't wan't to see the foolishness that are idols which men create and worship as gods.

And the rest of it he makes into a god. To blocks of wood he bows down, worships, prays, and says, "Save me, since you are my god."

[MD Marketers]

lol, MD I hope you actually read those verses in those videos you posted. The author is either highly ignorant or never understood basic comprehension.

On a side note take a look this:

'before' is not indicating priority here, it's denoting placement. In front of, God sees it all, he doesn't wan't to see the foolishness that are idols which men create and worship as gods.

And the rest of it he makes into a god. To blocks of wood he bows down, worships, prays, and says, "Save me, since you are my god."

Hello mecalli. Thank you for joining in on this conversation.
I am trying to understand Bluesclues understanding of the 10 commandments.
If you wish to join the conversation please indicate if you believe that the first 2 commandments refer to the concept that "There is only one God" namely concept of the "Trinity".
Bluesclues has claimed that the 10 commandments is all we need to establish right & wrong. My topic of discussion is:
Is believing that more than one God exists right or wrong according to the 10 commandments.

Also please indicate if "basic comprehension" means one of the following:
1. Understanding a statement in a most unambiguous manner. Ie. no other sources of information are required.
Or
2. Understanding a statement in an ambiguous manner. Ie. In reference to other sources of information.
Or
3. Some other form of understanding other than the ones listed above.

I assumed 1. was the true meaning of "basic comprehension".
Of course I could be wrong (relatively speaking) so please indicate.

Moving forward:
I assume we both agree that the statement does not make sense on it's own and needs some further assumptions/explanations to decipher it's meaning.
I am going to assume for the remainder of our discussion that "God before me" as referenced above means "God in front of me"

The statement now reads "Thou shall have no other God in front of me"
How did you correlate this to mean "There is only one God" aka "Trinity"

To ask someone to not have (place) something (idols) in front of you is acknowledgement that "that something exists".
If other God(s) exist then "There is only one God" is a contradiction.

For us to correlate "Thou shall have no other God be me" to mean "There is only one God" would it not make more sense for us to assume the following words mean this:
Have = Believe In
Before = Except

The statement would now read:
"Thou shall believe in no other God except me"

This is the closest I have gotten the statement to correlate to "there is only One God". This still does not mean "there is only one God" it simply means "Ignore other Gods" or "there is only one God for you.

If you believe the above explanation is more logical then I need you to answer this please:

Where in the Bible do the words "have" mean "believe in" and "before" mean "except".
It need not come from the Bible but I assumed that your arguments are based from the Biblical perspective.

Please note:
I am conforming my understanding to your scripture & not the other way around. The subject is the 10 commandments of the Bible, therefore outside information or personal belief absent referencing in the Bible will make this a different subject.

Again I warn do not say "it's so because you said so" or it would be pointless to continue, because in doing so I fully understand your logic and there would be no need for you to explain your logic any further.

[meccalli]

Unfortunately for you, ancient texts don't conform to your reasoning. Sitting in this this 600+ page thread and asking asking questions that have been debated multiple times won't get you anywhere when you are ignorant to collaborative and authoritative research on the topic at hand by neglecting geographical, cultural, time, language context as apparent in your mindless acceptance of the videos you previously posted. Comprehension - six year olds could read those passages and not draw the idiotic portrayal of the passages illustrated.

Where in the Bible do the words "have" mean "believe in" and "before" mean "except".

This is very simple to research if you truly care about finding out what the text says and not reading into scripture personal bias.

"that something exists

Idols exist, people believe they are gods. Those gods exist.

We know that "An idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one."For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords" yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Again, this isn't english. gods' has been used all throughout the text to indicate different things from judges, men, celestial objects, idols. You need to be able to interpret and study exegetically.
eg,
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

This is all petty and basic, all explained before in the thread and all over the net...if you want to find it.

[MD Marketers]

Unfortunately for you, ancient texts don't conform to your reasoning. Sitting in this this 600+ page thread and asking asking questions that have been debated multiple times won't get you anywhere when you are ignorant to collaborative and authoritative research on the topic at hand by neglecting geographical, cultural, time, language context as apparent in your mindless acceptance of the videos you previously posted. Comprehension - six year olds could read those passages and not draw the idiotic portrayal of the passages illustrated.

Where in the Bible do the words "have" mean "believe in" and "before" mean "except".

This is very simple to research if you truly care about finding out what the text says and not reading into scripture personal bias.

"that something exists

Idols exist, people believe they are gods. Those gods exist.

We know that "An idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one."For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords" yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Again, this isn't english. gods' has been used all throughout the text to indicate different things from judges, men, celestial objects, idols. You need to be able to interpret and study exegetically.
eg,
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

This is all petty and basic, all explained before in the thread and all over the net...if you want to find it.

Where is all this hate coming from?
Where in my statements have I claimed to believe anything? I specifically stated I will assume anything you say to be true once it makes logical sense. You upset with that?

Yes I am ignorant: I am ignorant, because I am lacking logical information regarding a statement that was made, not because I have found the information & chose to ignore it. You upset with that?

Yes I am biased: I am biased on the side of logical information, not because I have a preconceived belief system. You upset with that?

The 1st commandment is ambiguous. You affirmed this above. It needs sources of information outside of the 10 commandments to explain it. It is subject to interpretation. If there are many sources of information which upholds a particular meaning & none that contradicts it then it would be logical to believe that interpretation is accurate.

The topic in question is:
"Is the belief that there is only 1 God right or wrong according to the 10 commandments only"

The question is not:
"Is the belief that there is only 1 God right or wrong according to the Bible"

Please let me know if the topic in question is right or wrong because "you said so". If this is what you believe then we need not discuss further as I understand your logical explanation.
If it is not right or wrong simply because "you said so" then please explain further.
If you cannot explain further then there is nothing more for us to discuss regarding the topic.
You refer to "another source of information" with the assumption that the explanation lies within.
If you believe "the answer lies within some other source & you need not answer my questions directly" then, why did you even attempt to answer my question in the first place instead of simply referring me this other source.

"Is the belief that there is only 1 God right or wrong according to the 10 commandments only"
If you do not have the answers but are pretending to have them then you are just as ignorant as I am, the only difference is I choose to find answers to take me out of that ignorance.

Do you know what the meaning of a "forum troll" is?

You attempt to answer the question & did not use a logical explanation in your answer but simply made an appeal to the masses. Do you think a statement is true simply because more people believe it? Do you think it is true simply because someone wrote an article about it? If you aren't even going to place the article here or paraphrase it to assist with your explanation then your not doing anyone any favors, especially me. If I were to use your logic of "appeal to the masses absent paraphrasing" I would say something like "The Quran is the word of God because many people wrote articles about it's divinity, if you would check you will know". This does not help find answers, it just redirects the discussion.

Imagine what all debates would sound like if they started with "it's true because x wrote an article about it. This proves that it's true, therefore we should all end the debate now & declare me the winner"

A logical statement:
Cannot contradict itself
Must correlate it's premises to it's conclusion.
Must have a base premise

There are many other things that make a statement logical but the absence of any of these 3 makes it illogical.

Side note:
Videos posted are just that, videos. They are there for the purpose of discussion or to show examples of apparent contradictions. They do not portray my belief.
I have no belief, only assumptions based on logic.
If you wish to discuss the videos we can do so.
Feel free to bring a logical bias as an acceptable base premise for discussion but if it is not logical then it cannot be an acceptable base premise & we must go further back to find an acceptable logical base premise.
Eg. Circles are squares is not logical as an acceptable base premise. You will need to go further back to find an acceptable base premise to prove circles are squares.

[bluesclues]

ok so the world would be a better place if man didnt put forward laws from 'a supreme being'? it would be better if man just made the laws and said.. man made them instead of some invisible God then?

If that God doesn't have man's best interest at heart then yes.

ok from the basic laws put forward. the 10 commandments. does it seem like that God has our best interest at heart?

We are discussing morality with reference to God here.
Are you making the claim that the 10 commandments are the only source of your morality?
I will discuss further once we clear this up.

not just my morality. the morality of all law in all countries. they stem from the 10 commandments and interpretation of it's source intention.

[MD Marketers]

ok so the world would be a better place if man didnt put forward laws from 'a supreme being'? it would be better if man just made the laws and said.. man made them instead of some invisible God then?

If that God doesn't have man's best interest at heart then yes.

ok from the basic laws put forward. the 10 commandments. does it seem like that God has our best interest at heart?

We are discussing morality with reference to God here.
Are you making the claim that the 10 commandments are the only source of your morality?
I will discuss further once we clear this up.

not just my morality. the morality of all law in all countries. they stem from the 10 commandments and interpretation of it's source intention.

I will assume anything you say to be true once it makes logical sense.

Is this what you are saying:
"The 10 commandments is the source of Moral Laws in ALL countries"

This would include China & India since you did say ALL.
I will assume this to be true for now. I hope you are not misleading me or this discussion is nearing it's end. Can you show me how the 10 commandments were the source of Moral Laws in China & India?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

not just my morality. the morality of all law in all countries. they stem from the 10 commandments and interpretation of it's source intention.

in China too?

BTW only 7, 8, 9 and 10 are illegal by law. Most countries do not have laws that make it illegal to carry out what is forbidden in the first 6 Commandments. In fact some of the first 6 Commandments go against what most countries have laws for, such as freedom of religion to worship which ever God you wish, freedom of expression and you can do what you like on a weekend.

[bluefete]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

And many other countries as well!

Ancient China

The Golden Rule existed among all the major philosophical schools of Ancient China: Mohism, Taoism, and Confucianism. Examples of the concept include:

"Zi Gong asked, saying, "Is there one word that may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not reciprocity such a word?" – Confucius[11][12]
"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." – Confucius[13]
"If people regarded other people's families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself." – Mozi
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." – Laozi[14]
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." – Laozi[15]


India
Sanskrit tradition

In Mahābhārata, the ancient epic of India, comes a discourse where the wise minister Vidura advises the King Yuddhiśhṭhira thus, “Listening to wise scriptures, austerity, sacrifice, respectful faith, social welfare, forgiveness, purity of intent, compassion, truth and self-control — are the ten wealth of character (self). O king aim for these, may you be steadfast in these qualities. These are the basis of prosperity and rightful living. These are highest attainable things. All worlds are balanced on dharma, dharma encompasses ways to prosperity as well. O King, dharma is the best quality to have, wealth the medium and desire (kāma) the lowest. Hence, (keeping these in mind), by self-control and by making dharma (right conduct) your main focus, treat others as you treat yourself."

tasmād_dharma-pradhānéna bhavitavyam yatātmanā | tathā cha sarva-bhūtéṣhu vartitavyam yathātmani || (तस्माद्धर्मप्रधानेन भवितव्यं यतात्मना। तथा च सर्वभूतेषु वर्तितव्यं यथात्मनि॥ Mahābhārata Shānti-Parva 167:9)

[bluesclues]

ok so the world would be a better place if man didnt put forward laws from 'a supreme being'? it would be better if man just made the laws and said.. man made them instead of some invisible God then?

If that God doesn't have man's best interest at heart then yes.

ok from the basic laws put forward. the 10 commandments. does it seem like that God has our best interest at heart?

We are discussing morality with reference to God here.
Are you making the claim that the 10 commandments are the only source of your morality?
I will discuss further once we clear this up.

not just my morality. the morality of all law in all countries. they stem from the 10 commandments and interpretation of it's source intention.

I will assume anything you say to be true once it makes logical sense.

Is this what you are saying:
"The 10 commandments is the source of Moral Laws in ALL countries"

This would include China & India since you did say ALL.
I will assume this to be true for now. I hope you are not misleading me or this discussion is nearing it's end. Can you show me how the 10 commandments were the source of Moral Laws in China & India?

err leave out whatver countries u want. altho i know its all countries. the whole earth. but either way. is the intention of the laws to help mankind or malevolent in nature?

[MD Marketers]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

And many other countries as well!

Ancient China

The Golden Rule existed among all the major philosophical schools of Ancient China: Mohism, Taoism, and Confucianism. Examples of the concept include:

"Zi Gong asked, saying, "Is there one word that may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not reciprocity such a word?" – Confucius[11][12]
"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." – Confucius[13]
"If people regarded other people's families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself." – Mozi
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." – Laozi[14]
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." – Laozi[15]


India
Sanskrit tradition

In Mahābhārata, the ancient epic of India, comes a discourse where the wise minister Vidura advises the King Yuddhiśhṭhira thus, “Listening to wise scriptures, austerity, sacrifice, respectful faith, social welfare, forgiveness, purity of intent, compassion, truth and self-control — are the ten wealth of character (self). O king aim for these, may you be steadfast in these qualities. These are the basis of prosperity and rightful living. These are highest attainable things. All worlds are balanced on dharma, dharma encompasses ways to prosperity as well. O King, dharma is the best quality to have, wealth the medium and desire (kāma) the lowest. Hence, (keeping these in mind), by self-control and by making dharma (right conduct) your main focus, treat others as you treat yourself."

tasmād_dharma-pradhānéna bhavitavyam yatātmanā | tathā cha sarva-bhūtéṣhu vartitavyam yathātmani || (तस्माद्धर्मप्रधानेन भवितव्यं यतात्मना। तथा च सर्वभूतेषु वर्तितव्यं यथात्मनि॥ Mahābhārata Shānti-Parva 167:9)

I'm just trying to keep up with your logic here.
Are you now saying that:
Any county's laws that have words in them that match commandments from a religious scripture proves that the entire legal system is based on the that religious scripture's commandments?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

And many other countries as well!

Ancient China

The Golden Rule existed among all the major philosophical schools of Ancient China: Mohism, Taoism, and Confucianism. Examples of the concept include:

"Zi Gong asked, saying, "Is there one word that may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not reciprocity such a word?" – Confucius[11][12]
"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." – Confucius[13]
"If people regarded other people's families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself." – Mozi
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." – Laozi[14]
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." – Laozi[15]


India
Sanskrit tradition

In Mahābhārata, the ancient epic of India, comes a discourse where the wise minister Vidura advises the King Yuddhiśhṭhira thus, “Listening to wise scriptures, austerity, sacrifice, respectful faith, social welfare, forgiveness, purity of intent, compassion, truth and self-control — are the ten wealth of character (self). O king aim for these, may you be steadfast in these qualities. These are the basis of prosperity and rightful living. These are highest attainable things. All worlds are balanced on dharma, dharma encompasses ways to prosperity as well. O King, dharma is the best quality to have, wealth the medium and desire (kāma) the lowest. Hence, (keeping these in mind), by self-control and by making dharma (right conduct) your main focus, treat others as you treat yourself."

tasmād_dharma-pradhānéna bhavitavyam yatātmanā | tathā cha sarva-bhūtéṣhu vartitavyam yathātmani || (तस्माद्धर्मप्रधानेन भवितव्यं यतात्मना। तथा च सर्वभूतेषु वर्तितव्यं यथात्मनि॥ Mahābhārata Shānti-Parva 167:9)

are you saying that that Mohism, Taoism, and Confucianism AND the Mahābhārata got these ideas from the Bible?

[meccalli]

Where is all this hate coming from?

Hmmn, I should probably ask you to define hate at this point and what logical evidence can you produce to prove my statements are hateful lol.

Where in my statements have I claimed to believe anything?

Maybe God thinks killing everyone is the best way to end world suffering.
What do you think Bluesclues?

So, you don't believe in the claims the video you posted? Given you assume that they are accurate (as you expected a response from this) without ever investigating it. Are you seeing why I can't possibly take you seriously as someone who's genuinely inquisitive, rather just another headstrong atheist who comes to rant in the thread without ever pursuing any form of study in the very material they criticize and turn their noses upon because of preconceived notions held against it.

I am biased on the side of logical information, not because I have a preconceived belief system.

Hmmn lets see, logical information in a chaotic natural world that was created and functions on the basis of dice and no basis- Everything from nothing, There's absolutely nothing more illogical than that premise . "If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning.”

It needs sources of information outside of the 10 commandments to explain it

Of course, it's not like God ever said anything else. After all, the Bible only consists of 10 commandments personally addressed to MD Marketers living in Trinidad in 2015.

appeal to the masses.

Sorry, people like me aren't popular anywhere if you haven't noticed. We're considered the bane of progress and why atheists must pursue the mandate of debating doctrines of non existent deities.

You attempt to answer the question & did not use a logical explanation

Oh boy. I guess your idea study entails looking at calculus and saying this is nonsense.

[MD Marketers]

Mecalli,

God killed every man, woman, child, animal & plants except Noah, family & selected animals when he flooded the earth.

Do you think this statement is true according to the Bible?
Do you think this was the act of a Merciful God according to the Bible?
Do you think killing is always wrong according to the 10 commandments?
Do you think the 10 commandments of the Bible are explicit commandments or subject to interpretation?
Do you think God is excluded from his rules for mankind?

Do the words Love, Mercy, Jealous carry a different meaning when speaking about God compared to speaking about humanity?
If they carry a different meaning do you still expect us to understand God's mercy in the same way we understand Man's mercy?
If they don't carry the same meaning & we aren't supposed to understand it the same way then why do you use it as a word to describe God. Obviously we will be mislead because we are misinterpreting the meaning.
Is it wrong to ask for a new explanation of the word Mercy in this instance or create a new word altogether?
If something is impossible to understand logically then is it fair to say that it is not logical?
If that something is God is it not fair to say that God is not logical.
If I only assume logical things to be acceptable then is it ok if I don't assume an illogical God as acceptable?

[bluefete]

If you create a living entity, do you have the right to take its life?