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redmanjp wrote:wtf wrote:End of the year you mean.redmanjp wrote:good grief. at this rate we still in lockdown d end of july
nah pfizer/moderna to the rescue
Chain up talk. Biden ain't sharing that.redmanjp wrote:wtf wrote:End of the year you mean.redmanjp wrote:good grief. at this rate we still in lockdown d end of july
nah pfizer/moderna to the rescue
De Dragon wrote:Can't seem to break out from the 500 new case/double digit death numbers
sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:Can't seem to break out from the 500 new case/double digit death numbers
got that 'new catalyst' spark.
sMASH wrote:
the overall trend is down. business closure, SoE, curfew... hardly any moving about as compared to before, so it dying down,
and it burned tru most of the new people now.
only two issues: the new variants, and the SEA. those MAY undo all the pressure u gone tru just now.
De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:Can't seem to break out from the 500 new case/double digit death numbers
got that 'new catalyst' spark.
So we jes hadda wait for EOR conditions then?
DTAC wrote:sMASH wrote:
the overall trend is down. business closure, SoE, curfew... hardly any moving about as compared to before, so it dying down,
and it burned tru most of the new people now.
only two issues: the new variants, and the SEA. those MAY undo all the pressure u gone tru just now.
It's trending down like it's done many many times before, but it's still massively high. It's like owing AV Knowles $200,000 and paying back $100 a week. Anyone in the company saying, "Well it trending down" will get fired.
How much of a sustained "trending down" will be needed for the numbers to get back to how it was before? That's the question. Not, "Well the catastrophic number is a little lower today so it working".
sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:Can't seem to break out from the 500 new case/double digit death numbers
got that 'new catalyst' spark.
So we jes hadda wait for EOR conditions then?
NO BOI. temp ex the loop interchanger low a while now. give it a lil time to flow tru the beds.. it go turn, doh frighten...![]()
sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Liking this idea. We should also follow what is done every year with the flu vaccine caravan. They go around to workplaces with lots of ppl and vaccinate them on site. The employer responsible for scheduling the employees.paid_influencer wrote:military camps are a really good idea. security, enforcement, logistics, medics and it wouldn't take away from the existing resource pool at all. just need a big flat field and tell people line up (first come first served 24/7)
sMASH wrote:DTAC wrote:sMASH wrote:
the overall trend is down. business closure, SoE, curfew... hardly any moving about as compared to before, so it dying down,
and it burned tru most of the new people now.
only two issues: the new variants, and the SEA. those MAY undo all the pressure u gone tru just now.
It's trending down like it's done many many times before, but it's still massively high. It's like owing AV Knowles $200,000 and paying back $100 a week. Anyone in the company saying, "Well it trending down" will get fired.
How much of a sustained "trending down" will be needed for the numbers to get back to how it was before? That's the question. Not, "Well the catastrophic number is a little lower today so it working".
u cant rush nature, thats how the cookie crumbles. it will ONLY be safe when the population is 60% immunized, either by vaccine or natural.
once u not at that bare minimum, any new variant or super-spreader event will trigger a flare up. and no, a lot of people outside is not a super spreader event, its how they interact that will determine that.
Last year, Bahrain became one of the first countries to throw support behind China’s Sinopharm vaccine, granting it emergency use approval in December — a substantial boost for Beijing’s global ambitions for the vaccine, despite doubts on the part of some scientists over lack of public safety and efficacy data.
Now, the Persian Gulf country is the latest to raise doubts about the vaccine’s effectiveness.
Bahraini officials told news outlets this week that it would be offering Pfizer-BioNTech doses to certain high-risk individuals who have already received two Sinopharm jabs, suggesting that they no longer saw two doses of the Sinopharm vaccine as enough, in the face of a new wave of coronavirus infections.
The policy comes just weeks after the World Health Organization granted Sinopharm emergency use listing, making it the first Chinese-developed vaccine to receive the global health body’s stamp of approval.
The vaccine, developed by Sinopharm with the Beijing Institute of Biological Products, makes up a significant chunk of China’s own supply of vaccines for domestic use. Though slow to start, China’s vaccination drive is ramping up, with officials suggesting 80% of the country could be immunized by the end of the year.
In Bahrain, however, a vaccination drive that relied heavily on Sinopharm has so far produced at best mixed results and failed to curb new cases.
Almost 50% of the country has been fully vaccinated, according to The Washington Post’s tracking, but the country has seen its worst wave of cases yet in the past few weeks, and the government has implemented a two-week lockdown in a bid to tame the outbreak.
Some 1,936 new cases were reported on Thursday, according to the Bahrain News Agency, bringing the total cases in the country of 1.6 million to over 240,000, with over a thousand deaths.
Waleed Khalifa al-Manea, Bahrain’s undersecretary of health, told the Wall Street Journal in an article published Thursday that people fully vaccinated with Sinopharm who are over 50, with chronic illnesses or obesity are being urged to get a booster of Pfizer-BioNTech six months after their last Sinopharm shot.
Bahrain and neighboring United Arab Emirates — which also relied heavily on Sinopharm for their rapid vaccine rollouts — had previously announced they would offer third-dose Sinopharm booster shots starting in mid-May, after studies showed that some of those vaccinated had not developed sufficient antibodies.
In Bahrain, residents can use an app to book their booster shots. Though they can choose either Sinopharm or Pfizer-BioNTech doses, those who meet certain risk groups would be advised to get the latter.
Sinopharm representatives did not respond to a request for comment.
The Gulf nation is not the only place where the rollout of Sinopharm doses has coincided with large waves of cases. In the Seychelles, Chile and Uruguay, all of whom have used Sinopharm in their mass vaccination efforts, cases have surged even as doses were given out.
A surge in cases in the Seychelles provided a “critical case to consider the effectiveness of some vaccines and what range we have to reach to meet herd immunity,” Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relation, told The Washington Post at the time.
A WHO panel report last month found that the vaccine had a 79% efficacy rate in stopping symptomatic COVID-19 in adults between 18 and 59, citing evidence from clinical trials in China, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates.
While that efficacy was in the same range as that of a vaccine produced by AstraZeneca, it was considerably lower than that of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, which have reported efficacy of more than 90%.
Unlike those vaccines, which use new mRNA technology to train the body’s immune system using a snippet of virus code, Sinopharm’s uses an inactivated version of the virus to do the same — an older, though well-established, technology.
The WHO panel also cautioned that they had a “low level of confidence” in the vaccine’s efficacy in people 60 and older, and a “very low confidence” about potential side effects in that age group, due to a lack of data.
Despite the concern about Sinopharm’s effectiveness, experts say that the vaccine still works as intended in most cases and that it could play a significant role in shortages of vaccine doses around the world.
This week, millions of Sinopharm doses rolled off the production line in Beijing, intended to play a major role in the United Nations-backed vaccine sharing program Covax, amid persistent shortages. Sinopharm officials said Wednesday that they hope to distribute more than 1 billion doses outside of China in the second half of 2020.
Separately, the WHO granted emergency use listing to another Chinese vaccine, developed by Sinovac, this week, reporting that the vaccine prevented symptomatic disease in 51% of those vaccinated and prevented severe cases in 100% of the population.
However, officials said there was not enough data to estimate the Sinovac vaccine’s efficacy in those over 60.
Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
adnj wrote:Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Most countries like TTO only detect 17% to 20% of Covid-19 cases.
TTO has recorded 25,300 infections. Then it is resonable to assume that 140,000 have been infected.
At least 104,000 are at least partially vaccinated.
244,000 total infected or vaccinated assuming the unlikely scenario of only the uninfected being vaccinated.
20% of the population (280,000) is 14 or under and cannot be vaccinated currently.
Perhaps 15% of the population currently has any Covid-19 immunity.
A Brazilian town has seen a 95% drop in Covid-19 deaths after almost all adults were vaccinated as part of an experiment, researchers say.
Serrana, with 45,000 inhabitants, saw cases plunge after a mass vaccination with the Chinese-developed CoronaVac.
The team said those who had not been vaccinated were also protected by the reduction in the virus's circulation.
The findings suggest the pandemic can be controlled after 75% of people are fully dosed.
Brazil has been hit hard by the pandemic, with nearly 463,000 deaths.
The country is struggling with a slow vaccination campaign due to insufficient jabs, while the average of daily deaths and cases remains high amid a lack of co-ordinated measures to curb infections.
The experiment in Serrana, in the south-eastern São Paulo state, was carried out between February and April by Instituto Butantan, which produces the CoronaVac vaccine developed by China's Sinovac Biotech.
The city was divided into four areas to help determine the threshold for containing the virus. The team said this was achieved after three areas, or about 75% of the population over the age of 18, had been given both doses.
When 95% of adults were fully vaccinated, they said the results showed that:
Deaths fell by 95%
Hospitalisations fell by 86%
Symptomatic cases fell by 80%
Ricardo Palacios, research director at Butantan, said the key figure was the 75%.
"The most important result is that we can control the pandemic without having to vaccinate the whole population," he said.
Mr Palacios also said there was a decline in the number of cases among children and teenagers, who had not been vaccinated. This could indicate that there was no need to vaccinate children for schools to reopen, he said.
Researchers say they controlled the spread of the virus after vaccinating 75% of the adult population
According to Mr Palacios, the vaccine was also effective against the variant originally known as P.1, and now called Gamma, that was first identified in the northern city of Manaus and has been blamed for a surge in cases across the country.
Serrana, some 315km (195 miles) from São Paulo, is surrounded by cities that are grappling with a spike in infections. A lockdown is in place in Ribeirão Preto, located 24km away with a population of 710,000.
The results of the experiment could give a boost to the CoronaVac, which is being used by dozens of developing countries. There was some controversy about the vaccine this year, after clinical trials in Brazil, Indonesia and Turkey put its efficacy in a range of 50% to 90%.
The CoronaVac is an inactivated vaccine, and works by using killed viral particles to expose the body's immune system to the virus without risking a serious disease response.
The experiment in Serrana was the first of its kind in the world, its authors said. There were no reports of severe side effects from the vaccine and no Covid-related deaths among those who had been vaccinated 14 days after the second shot was applied, the results showed.
A similar study is being carried out in another Brazilian city, Botucatu, which has a population of 148,000. Researchers are using the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, produced locally by the Fiocruz institute.
Brazil has the second-highest Covid death toll in the world after the US, and the third-highest number of cases, at more than 16.5 million. The Brazilian Senate is holding an inquiry into President Jair Bolsonaro's handling of the pandemic and the slow roll-out of the vaccine programme.
redmanjp wrote:adnj wrote:Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Most countries like TTO only detect 17% to 20% of Covid-19 cases.
TTO has recorded 25,300 infections. Then it is resonable to assume that 140,000 have been infected.
At least 104,000 are at least partially vaccinated.
244,000 total infected or vaccinated assuming the unlikely scenario of only the uninfected being vaccinated.
20% of the population (280,000) is 14 or under and cannot be vaccinated currently.
Perhaps 15% of the population currently has any Covid-19 immunity.
75% vaccinated in brazil was enough reduce deaths by 95%
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538
Dohplaydat wrote:redmanjp wrote:adnj wrote:Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Most countries like TTO only detect 17% to 20% of Covid-19 cases.
TTO has recorded 25,300 infections. Then it is resonable to assume that 140,000 have been infected.
At least 104,000 are at least partially vaccinated.
244,000 total infected or vaccinated assuming the unlikely scenario of only the uninfected being vaccinated.
20% of the population (280,000) is 14 or under and cannot be vaccinated currently.
Perhaps 15% of the population currently has any Covid-19 immunity.
75% vaccinated in brazil was enough reduce deaths by 95%
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538
This is good news, I wonder how long we'll take to get to 75% here.
I believe if we're mixing vaccines with the Sinopharm we might be able to achieve something similar with 60-70%
Dohplaydat wrote:redmanjp wrote:adnj wrote:Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Most countries like TTO only detect 17% to 20% of Covid-19 cases.
TTO has recorded 25,300 infections. Then it is resonable to assume that 140,000 have been infected.
At least 104,000 are at least partially vaccinated.
244,000 total infected or vaccinated assuming the unlikely scenario of only the uninfected being vaccinated.
20% of the population (280,000) is 14 or under and cannot be vaccinated currently.
Perhaps 15% of the population currently has any Covid-19 immunity.
75% vaccinated in brazil was enough reduce deaths by 95%
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538
This is good news, I wonder how long we'll take to get to 75% here.
I believe if we're mixing vaccines with the Sinopharm we might be able to achieve something similar with 60-70%
hover11 wrote:However sinopharm isn't rather effective though and even against the Indian strain which is right behind us Pfizer is only 30 percent effective so what happens when not if it reaches hereDohplaydat wrote:redmanjp wrote:adnj wrote:Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Most countries like TTO only detect 17% to 20% of Covid-19 cases.
TTO has recorded 25,300 infections. Then it is resonable to assume that 140,000 have been infected.
At least 104,000 are at least partially vaccinated.
244,000 total infected or vaccinated assuming the unlikely scenario of only the uninfected being vaccinated.
20% of the population (280,000) is 14 or under and cannot be vaccinated currently.
Perhaps 15% of the population currently has any Covid-19 immunity.
75% vaccinated in brazil was enough reduce deaths by 95%
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538
This is good news, I wonder how long we'll take to get to 75% here.
I believe if we're mixing vaccines with the Sinopharm we might be able to achieve something similar with 60-70%
The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.
The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.
st7 wrote:anyone else think the numbers are unbelievably high for the 5th week in lockdown now? considering elections last yr people were congregating like crazy and it was never this high, and for so long. it's almost like the authorities can publish anything they want because they don't answer to anyone, and is doing this to push someone's profiting agenda...
redmanjp wrote:hover11 wrote:However sinopharm isn't rather effective though and even against the Indian strain which is right behind us Pfizer is only 30 percent effective so what happens when not if it reaches hereDohplaydat wrote:redmanjp wrote:adnj wrote:Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Most countries like TTO only detect 17% to 20% of Covid-19 cases.
TTO has recorded 25,300 infections. Then it is resonable to assume that 140,000 have been infected.
At least 104,000 are at least partially vaccinated.
244,000 total infected or vaccinated assuming the unlikely scenario of only the uninfected being vaccinated.
20% of the population (280,000) is 14 or under and cannot be vaccinated currently.
Perhaps 15% of the population currently has any Covid-19 immunity.
75% vaccinated in brazil was enough reduce deaths by 95%
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538
This is good news, I wonder how long we'll take to get to 75% here.
I believe if we're mixing vaccines with the Sinopharm we might be able to achieve something similar with 60-70%
that's after 1 dose only, it's 88% effective after 2 doses. AZ however is a concern with 60%
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57214596The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.
The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.
That information was previously posted in this thread.redmanjp wrote:adnj wrote:Herd immunity is expected at 60% to 80% of the population by infection or inoculation.sMASH wrote:vaccine? biden sending all alll all, so bring all all all.
this SoE is such a frickin drag, will take the vaccine JESSS to come out of it.
i am pretty interested to find out how many persons already had covid. they, plus vaccinated woudl mean u dont see as many flare ups. so would lead the powers to not be so jumpy.
Most countries like TTO only detect 17% to 20% of Covid-19 cases.
TTO has recorded 25,300 infections. Then it is resonable to assume that 140,000 have been infected.
At least 104,000 are at least partially vaccinated.
244,000 total infected or vaccinated assuming the unlikely scenario of only the uninfected being vaccinated.
20% of the population (280,000) is 14 or under and cannot be vaccinated currently.
Perhaps 15% of the population currently has any Covid-19 immunity.
75% vaccinated in brazil town with Coronavac vaccine was enough reduce deaths by 95%
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538A Brazilian town has seen a 95% drop in Covid-19 deaths after almost all adults were vaccinated as part of an experiment, researchers say.
Serrana, with 45,000 inhabitants, saw cases plunge after a mass vaccination with the Chinese-developed CoronaVac.
The team said those who had not been vaccinated were also protected by the reduction in the virus's circulation.
The findings suggest the pandemic can be controlled after 75% of people are fully dosed.
Brazil has been hit hard by the pandemic, with nearly 463,000 deaths.
The country is struggling with a slow vaccination campaign due to insufficient jabs, while the average of daily deaths and cases remains high amid a lack of co-ordinated measures to curb infections.
The experiment in Serrana, in the south-eastern São Paulo state, was carried out between February and April by Instituto Butantan, which produces the CoronaVac vaccine developed by China's Sinovac Biotech.
The city was divided into four areas to help determine the threshold for containing the virus. The team said this was achieved after three areas, or about 75% of the population over the age of 18, had been given both doses.
When 95% of adults were fully vaccinated, they said the results showed that:
Deaths fell by 95%
Hospitalisations fell by 86%
Symptomatic cases fell by 80%
Ricardo Palacios, research director at Butantan, said the key figure was the 75%.
"The most important result is that we can control the pandemic without having to vaccinate the whole population," he said.
Mr Palacios also said there was a decline in the number of cases among children and teenagers, who had not been vaccinated. This could indicate that there was no need to vaccinate children for schools to reopen, he said.
Researchers say they controlled the spread of the virus after vaccinating 75% of the adult population
According to Mr Palacios, the vaccine was also effective against the variant originally known as P.1, and now called Gamma, that was first identified in the northern city of Manaus and has been blamed for a surge in cases across the country.
Serrana, some 315km (195 miles) from São Paulo, is surrounded by cities that are grappling with a spike in infections. A lockdown is in place in Ribeirão Preto, located 24km away with a population of 710,000.
The results of the experiment could give a boost to the CoronaVac, which is being used by dozens of developing countries. There was some controversy about the vaccine this year, after clinical trials in Brazil, Indonesia and Turkey put its efficacy in a range of 50% to 90%.
The CoronaVac is an inactivated vaccine, and works by using killed viral particles to expose the body's immune system to the virus without risking a serious disease response.
The experiment in Serrana was the first of its kind in the world, its authors said. There were no reports of severe side effects from the vaccine and no Covid-related deaths among those who had been vaccinated 14 days after the second shot was applied, the results showed.
A similar study is being carried out in another Brazilian city, Botucatu, which has a population of 148,000. Researchers are using the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, produced locally by the Fiocruz institute.
Brazil has the second-highest Covid death toll in the world after the US, and the third-highest number of cases, at more than 16.5 million. The Brazilian Senate is holding an inquiry into President Jair Bolsonaro's handling of the pandemic and the slow roll-out of the vaccine programme.
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