Government achievement thread (PNM EDITION 2015-2025)

[De Dragon]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

It should never apply to education. Keep means tests for things like Gov't assistance, food cards etc.

The hidden agenda here is that Harrylal excels in his school work, so they trying to find means to keep him back.

It's like saying rich people should pay more for gas

[desifemlove]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

means testing there is the norm.
You as a UK citizen should know paying taxes is the UK is a serious thing. Once you are paying taxes you entitled to what is due to you and the UK government will gladly grant it to you once your taxes are in order.
Regardless if you paid £100 or £100k in taxes. All citizens share in the wealth that they contributed to.
Eg in Scotland university cost just £1000 per year as a native Scot. While in England it's £9k max regardless to what taxes is paid plus students are given grants.

All in all these are students and it has no bearing on what the parents earn. However when they are ready for the working world they pay taxes.

Meanwhile here in Trin because ppl look like kumar Sanu it's an automatic blank and the family probability paying more taxes than kwame.

Note it is not the parents that are attending school, it's students.


Another dumb ass PNM move

tuition fees are still means tested. most state services there are....

and who is kwame? last i heard iz a name from Ghana...what yuh doing there?

[desifemlove]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

It should never apply to education. Keep means tests for things like Gov't assistance, food cards etc.

The hidden agenda here is that Harrylal excels in his school work, so they trying to find means to keep him back.

It's like saying rich people should pay more for gas

in principle, why not? provided the burden not too much, i'd support that as a high earner..... if so, then we should have flat taxes, ent?

[De Dragon]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

It should never apply to education. Keep means tests for things like Gov't assistance, food cards etc.

The hidden agenda here is that Harrylal excels in his school work, so they trying to find means to keep him back.

It's like saying rich people should pay more for gas

in principle, why not? provided the burden not too much, i'd support that as a high earner..... if so, then we should have flat taxes, ent?

What would that solve? Our tax system is already designed to make the higher earners pay more. Should they also be denied benefits like subsidised gas prices, GATE, free medical care?

[DanielCW]

So, I sacrifice took loans and went to university, beat real books and got a nice paying job. Now my kids whom I want to do well in life as well are being put through a means test and would be denied funding because of my hard earned success in life. So now the mentality when you do well in life in this country is you pay more taxes, you pay higher property tax, you are denied gate, and just now they might deny you access to the hospitals too.

[matix]

So, I sacrifice took loans and went to university, beat real books and got a nice paying job. Now my kids whom I want to do well in life as well are being put through a means test and would be denied funding because of my hard earned success in life. So now the mentality when you do well in life in this country is you pay more taxes, you pay higher property tax, you are denied gate, and just now they might deny you access to the hospitals too.

We vote for this

[zoom rader]

So, I sacrifice took loans and went to university, beat real books and got a nice paying job. Now my kids whom I want to do well in life as well are being put through a means test and would be denied funding because of my hard earned success in life. So now the mentality when you do well in life in this country is you pay more taxes, you pay higher property tax, you are denied gate, and just now they might deny you access to the hospitals too.

This is the point I was trying to explain to these morons and a UK citizen on here.

We all pay taxes to build this country but a chosen lot must benefit from it because they broke and their parents rather fete for carnival . While you that earning and paying more taxes than the others, your kids are denied funding.

The thing is funding is your tax money.

This is racist as it is designed for one side of people.

[1UZFE]

So, I sacrifice took loans and went to university, beat real books and got a nice paying job. Now my kids whom I want to do well in life as well are being put through a means test and would be denied funding because of my hard earned success in life. So now the mentality when you do well in life in this country is you pay more taxes, you pay higher property tax, you are denied gate, and just now they might deny you access to the hospitals too.

Point taken. !!
So i go to school play d fool. Bool rel girls had d bess Jardan on meh foot. Com out wit nutten. Wukkin cepep n bussing chain. Buh i doh care meh chirren dem would get free schooling cuz #iswetimenow
Not takin away from those who really need it.

[zoom rader]

How is excluding tax payers the right to benefits that's due to then a PNM Achievement?

[1UZFE]

How is excluding tax payers the right to benefits that's due to then a PNM Achievement?

Look at the tuner who made the post. Then think if that tuner is coherent in his thoughts or mental capacity.

[zoom rader]

How is excluding tax payers the right to benefits that's due to then a PNM Achievement?

Look at the tuner who made the post. Then think if that tuner is coherent in his thoughts or mental capacity.

Well that tuner is an immigrant that came from the UK.

This is why I warn ppl of certain types of immigrants. Rather that have means test for funding we needs to have immigrant means test to refuse certain type of undesirables like that poster

[De Dragon]

So, I sacrifice took loans and went to university, beat real books and got a nice paying job. Now my kids whom I want to do well in life as well are being put through a means test and would be denied funding because of my hard earned success in life. So now the mentality when you do well in life in this country is you pay more taxes, you pay higher property tax, you are denied gate, and just now they might deny you access to the hospitals too.

This is the point I was trying to explain to these morons and a UK citizen on here.

We all pay taxes to build this country but a chosen lot must benefit from it because they broke and their parents rather fete for carnival . While you that earning and paying more taxes than the others, your kids are denied funding.

The thing is funding is your tax money.

This is racist as it is designed for one side of people.

Another sheit sandwich for the middle class to eat.

[eliteauto]

seems the PNM has gotten the closet racists out their closet, they've also gotten some idiot to form a band of merry men, achievement unlocked

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

So, I sacrifice took loans and went to university, beat real books and got a nice paying job. Now my kids whom I want to do well in life as well are being put through a means test and would be denied funding because of my hard earned success in life. So now the mentality when you do well in life in this country is you pay more taxes, you pay higher property tax, you are denied gate, and just now they might deny you access to the hospitals too.

The means test would be more along the lines of if you are super rich* you pay your way thru or pay half. You are middle* class or lower* and you get free tertiary education.

*generalizations

You worked hard to be able to afford a certain way of life. Not to be given freebies. What is the real issue if you can afford it? Any by afford I don't mean you are just able to pay in this context. I mean pay it very comfortably and also still live very comfortably while the country itself is not able to afford to subsidize everyone.

[Dizzy28]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

It should never apply to education. Keep means tests for things like Gov't assistance, food cards etc.

The hidden agenda here is that Harrylal excels in his school work, so they trying to find means to keep him back.

It's like saying rich people should pay more for gas

in principle, why not? provided the burden not too much, i'd support that as a high earner..... if so, then we should have flat taxes, ent?

What would that solve? Our tax system is already designed to make the higher earners pay more. Should they also be denied benefits like subsidised gas prices, GATE, free medical care?

Our flat tax system benefits the rich. Whilst it makes them pay more they pay less tax as a percentage increase than their increase in salary over lower income earners.

For example at 300,000 per annum someone would roughly pay 57,000 in PAYE (Only personal allowance used, no account for other discretionary deductions) leaving him with an effective tax rate of 19%
At 900,000 PAYE goes to 207,000 which is an effective tax rate of 23%. So a person earning 900,000 a year earns three times more than the person earning 300,000 a year however they have a tax rate that is only 4% greater.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

It should never apply to education. Keep means tests for things like Gov't assistance, food cards etc.

The hidden agenda here is that Harrylal excels in his school work, so they trying to find means to keep him back.

It's like saying rich people should pay more for gas

in principle, why not? provided the burden not too much, i'd support that as a high earner..... if so, then we should have flat taxes, ent?

What would that solve? Our tax system is already designed to make the higher earners pay more. Should they also be denied benefits like subsidised gas prices, GATE, free medical care?

Our flat tax system benefits the rich. Whilst it makes them pay more they pay less tax as a percentage increase than their increase in salary over lower income earners.

For example at 300,000 per annum someone would roughly pay 57,000 in PAYE (Only personal allowance used, no account for other discretionary deductions) leaving him with an effective tax rate of 19%
At 900,000 PAYE goes to 207,000 which is an effective tax rate of 23%. So a person earning 900,000 a year earns three times more than the person earning 300,000 a year however they have a tax rate that is only 4% greater.

No you missing the point. The one earning 900K worked hard and sacrificed so he should not pay that 207K cuz it's simply more than the 57K a sufferer, who didn't pay attention in school, paying. Nevermind that 4% thing. Most tuners don't use maths like that anyway.

[Kewell35]

five years ah UNC govt...the only ting she achieved was pedestrian walkovers, highways, and ting most country consider normal/par the course...i doh care about corruption...we all knew it was coming.

the hospital in san fdo and tobago

she claim credit for ting PNM start/conceived....cool.....

ball allyuh want, i doh care lolol.

pnm started the new san fdo hospital?

New hospital? She converted a government complex (which was much needed ) to a hospital wing. Because leaving it as a Gov't complex would make PNM look good i suppose

Have you ever been to it? Didn't know a hospital wing could be bigger than a hospital. It was also much needed too, if you look at the state of the the obstetrics and gynecological and surgery wards...that is probably why it was 'converted'. Can't believe what I does be reading here nah. Kamla thief and do sheit etc. etc. but give credit where it due nah man.

Needing one thing doesn't negate another. And yes I've been to it probably more extensively than most. However in San Fernando all the government offices are scattered all over the city in cramped, rented buildings with poor access and parking.
The design of the building also means it wasn't purpose built for wards etc. it was quite a knee jerk reaction.
When the passport office, vat office etc are protesting because of poor working conditions every couple months it's because they would have been housed in a purpose built compound allowing tax payers to do business much more efficiently.
As I said before it doesn't negate the need for hospital facilities but you don't convert one building to something else without considering a solution for mounting rental costs in unsuitable buildings in south.

Oh gosh, all yuh mean 4 real....talking about design of building and ting.
Hoss a new hospital was built. Back in the days before, if you were a doctor and you come 7:30 a.m, you couldn't get a park. It had so much people coming in that were admitted and had to sleep on trolleys (there were no beds until at least the next day). Where they getting O2 via facemask from? You had to kick out other patients and all kinda of craziness.

At the end of the day, them build two new hospitals, one of which was greatly needed. What is the point of talking about converting this and that....is like talking about SAPA when a hospital greatly needed. It honestly sounding like a bunch of excuses. Just give the people credit where it's due. It help the people of south (and more) A LOT.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

I have not posted in one of these political threads since the start of this year but will just drop this here, as far as I see with this whole gate debate. They should get rid of it and give dollar for dollar across the board.

Too much people take it and waste it, too much people sending their kids with 0 cxc passes to these flyby night schools to do some useless degree so they can say my chile have ah degree.

Tax payers are really taken for a ride with GATE. It was designed with good intentions but for profit schools found a way to take advantage of the system. Do we really need to spend hundreds of millions of dollars yearly for more useless business degrees when we have thousands of people graduated with these business degrees and cannot find work?

The UKIP party had a grand idea about GATE funding they were going to fund only Medical and Science degrees because there is a serious lack of doctors and scientists in society and a million people with a set of nonsense "Gender Studies" degree and "peace studies" degrees. How much more of this do we really need?

There is also the issue where GPA criteria has not solved. See having a GPA of 2.0 is one thing but what about the thousands of delinquent students jumping into a degree cause it free then dropping out of year 1? And most schools having literally 0 prerequisite to enter the program?

This is hundreds of millions of dollars down the drain. Tax payers money because come the following year they gonna get a full class of 40 people again with 6 of them reaching year 2.

[desifemlove]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

It should never apply to education. Keep means tests for things like Gov't assistance, food cards etc.

if one can afford to pay, i don't see why not.

[desifemlove]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

You as a UK citizen should know paying taxes is the UK is a serious thing. Once you are paying taxes you entitled to what is due to you and the UK government will gladly grant it to you once your taxes are in order.
Regardless if you paid £100 or £100k in taxes. All citizens share in the wealth that they contributed to.
Eg in Scotland university cost just £1000 per year as a native Scot. While in England it's £9k max regardless to what taxes is paid plus students are given grants.

All in all these are students and it has no bearing on what the parents earn. However when they are ready for the working world they pay taxes.

Meanwhile here in Trin because ppl look like kumar Sanu it's an automatic blank and the family probability paying more taxes than kwame.

Note it is not the parents that are attending school, it's students.


Another dumb ass PNM move

how many 18-21 year olds earn or save that much to pay fees?

[hong kong phooey]

I don't really believe much what any government says but congrats to Rowley for speaking the truth
taken from the Daily Express
"THERE are monsters in some of the nation's schools, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley said yesterday, as he commented that “parents were breeding monsters and sending them to the teachers”."

he now admit there is a problem lets see what he will do.
Another question he should ask all those retards is why all the denominational school does better that the govt based school .

[zoom rader]

I don't really believe much what any government says but congrats to Rowley for speaking the truth
taken from the Daily Express
"THERE are monsters in some of the nation's schools, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley said yesterday, as he commented that “parents were breeding monsters and sending them to the teachers”."

he now admit there is a problem lets see what he will do.
Another question he should ask all those retards is why all the denominational school does better that the govt based school .

Yeah and those monsters and their parents are a certain type of misguided ppl that support this very same government.

[zoom rader]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

You as a UK citizen should know paying taxes is the UK is a serious thing. Once you are paying taxes you entitled to what is due to you and the UK government will gladly grant it to you once your taxes are in order.
Regardless if you paid £100 or £100k in taxes. All citizens share in the wealth that they contributed to.
Eg in Scotland university cost just £1000 per year as a native Scot. While in England it's £9k max regardless to what taxes is paid plus students are given grants.

All in all these are students and it has no bearing on what the parents earn. However when they are ready for the working world they pay taxes.

Meanwhile here in Trin because ppl look like kumar Sanu it's an automatic blank and the family probability paying more taxes than kwame.

Note it is not the parents that are attending school, it's students.


Another dumb ass PNM move

how many 18-21 year olds earn or save that much to pay fees?

Numbnuts if you are referring to funding in the UK . Please read where I said they are given grants. Further to this they have additional funding via student loans if the grants fall short.

[bluesclues]

I don't really believe much what any government says but congrats to Rowley for speaking the truth
taken from the Daily Express
"THERE are monsters in some of the nation's schools, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley said yesterday, as he commented that “parents were breeding monsters and sending them to the teachers”."

he now admit there is a problem lets see what he will do.
Another question he should ask all those retards is why all the denominational school does better that the govt based school .

this is just the beginning of the chaos to ensue from the economic mismanagement and fallout. this isnt parents breeding monsters. this is government breeding monsters.

to quote Newton: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

the children are just the first to express outwardly the degrading mental and environmental state of the country's economy. it is the beginnings of a people who are at risk of reversion to primal instinct based on the current forces working against their survival. it is the butterfly effect stemming from the various failures of the state. the failure to catch murderers and rapists, the failure to bring closure and justice to important cases affecting both the national economy and security. the failure to make sound economic investment by past governments. the mismanagement by previous administrations. it may seem like a localized event in one school atm. but it isnt. its just one of the first to escalate to such a proportion that it make the media. it is a strong statement that is coming from the psychology of the people. its only a matter of time before the parents themselves start bringing turmoil to the public fore and truly demonstrate the failure of proper administration.

as always, when other ppl burnin noone does care. but when you start to burn too that is the only time everyone does unite in a singular interest and goal. so just sit and wait for the game of musical chairs to leave u without a chair. then we will see u out there.

[desifemlove]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

You as a UK citizen should know paying taxes is the UK is a serious thing. Once you are paying taxes you entitled to what is due to you and the UK government will gladly grant it to you once your taxes are in order.
Regardless if you paid £100 or £100k in taxes. All citizens share in the wealth that they contributed to.
Eg in Scotland university cost just £1000 per year as a native Scot. While in England it's £9k max regardless to what taxes is paid plus students are given grants.

All in all these are students and it has no bearing on what the parents earn. However when they are ready for the working world they pay taxes.

Meanwhile here in Trin because ppl look like kumar Sanu it's an automatic blank and the family probability paying more taxes than kwame.

Note it is not the parents that are attending school, it's students.


Another dumb ass PNM move

how many 18-21 year olds earn or save that much to pay fees?

Numbnuts if you are referring to funding in the UK . Please read where I said they are given grants. Further to this they have additional funding via student loans if the grants fall short.

so then why not here? and i never said this was a bad system.......

[desifemlove]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

You as a UK citizen should know paying taxes is the UK is a serious thing. Once you are paying taxes you entitled to what is due to you and the UK government will gladly grant it to you once your taxes are in order.
Regardless if you paid £100 or £100k in taxes. All citizens share in the wealth that they contributed to.
Eg in Scotland university cost just £1000 per year as a native Scot. While in England it's £9k max regardless to what taxes is paid plus students are given grants.

All in all these are students and it has no bearing on what the parents earn. However when they are ready for the working world they pay taxes.

Meanwhile here in Trin because ppl look like kumar Sanu it's an automatic blank and the family probability paying more taxes than kwame.

Note it is not the parents that are attending school, it's students.


Another dumb ass PNM move

how many 18-21 year olds earn or save that much to pay fees?

Numbnuts if you are referring to funding in the UK . Please read where I said they are given grants. Further to this they have additional funding via student loans if the grants fall short.

so then why not here? and i never said this was a bad system.......

[zoom rader]

GATE means test...achievement #1

Surely this should apply for all government services.

GATE is a form of welfare, and welfare is by definition for the lowest earners in any society.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,173895.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-10- ... %80%94colm

More than she did in five years....lol..

i know ZR and company gonna disagree...but if a family earning net $400,000 a year combined, dey can't afford GATE?

You as a UK citizen should know paying taxes is the UK is a serious thing. Once you are paying taxes you entitled to what is due to you and the UK government will gladly grant it to you once your taxes are in order.
Regardless if you paid £100 or £100k in taxes. All citizens share in the wealth that they contributed to.
Eg in Scotland university cost just £1000 per year as a native Scot. While in England it's £9k max regardless to what taxes is paid plus students are given grants.

All in all these are students and it has no bearing on what the parents earn. However when they are ready for the working world they pay taxes.

Meanwhile here in Trin because ppl look like kumar Sanu it's an automatic blank and the family probability paying more taxes than kwame.

Note it is not the parents that are attending school, it's students.


Another dumb ass PNM move

how many 18-21 year olds earn or save that much to pay fees?

Numbnuts if you are referring to funding in the UK . Please read where I said they are given grants. Further to this they have additional funding via student loans if the grants fall short.

so then why not here? and i never said this was a bad system.......

Why not here ?

Cause we a have a jackass government that intents on destroying the education system. They are penalising those that want to learn say that their parents have money.

[desifemlove]

and? why is the notion that those who have more means to pay is wrong?

you keep mentioning the UK, as if you have extensive experience of living there.....well if you do, you'll know that most accept the idea that higher earners pay a higher proportionate share of taxes for ting...... and if it make Kwame able to study and get a good job, or kumarsingh even if he from a poor family, why not?

[De Dragon]

and? why is the notion that those who have more means to pay is wrong?

you keep mentioning the UK, as if you have extensive experience of living there.....well if you do, you'll know that most accept the idea that higher earners pay a higher proportionate share of taxes for ting...... and if it make Kwame able to study and get a good job, or kumarsingh even if he from a poor family, why not?

Then everyone would just rock back and get everything subsidized or free. The point of these social programs is, or they should be, to help people out of poverty, not to keep them there. You cannot overtax successful people, or it will discourage entrepreneurism and innovation. Hell even the Lotto is tax-free, well kind of.

[De Dragon]

seems the PNM has gotten the closet racists out their closet, they've also gotten some idiot to form a band of merry men, achievement unlocked

PNM groupies, hangers-on, sycophants and sheep would consider this an achievement.............