The Religion Discussion

[Slartibartfast]

ok, so from a non-religious perspective, is morality subjective and changes on what people feel to believe?

Yes, it can be changed, but not that easily on a large scale. Whites treating blacks as equals and more recently the fight for LGBT rights are two examples where morality can be changed. However, you can see that it takes years and a lot of fighting to do so. But at least it can be challenged.

On a personal level though, that is a bit more complex.

[Habit7]

ok, so from a non-religious perspective, is morality subjective and changes on what people feel to believe?

Yes and no matter much one questions, rationalizes and compares, they can only do so within their society context and time. Eg. Subjective morality of murder could flex whether you are in a passive nation/time or warring nation/time.

[bluefete]

I am taking a big chance with this here but what really had me thinking was its purported size. Twice the size of the earth.


Angelic UFO Travels Toward Sun In NASA Photo, Oct 15, 2012.

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2012/1 ... -nasa.html


Date of sighting: October 15, 2012
Location of sighting: Earth's Sun

Look at this breathtaking object recently caught by the NASA/SOHO photos makes us think that only two possibilities could explain this sighting.

First, this could be a UFO in the shape of an angel headed directly into the sun…probably harvesting its energy.

Second, it is an angel who's size would be bigger than twice Earths size.

What they call a light being which may live in or be part of the sun itself. Also note that it leaves a trail behind it which tells us the direction it was traveling at the time of the photo. SCW

[bluefete]

[bluefete]

The True Mountain of God

[bluefete]

This baby kept looking up.

Baby Sees Jesus

[Slartibartfast]

ok, so from a non-religious perspective, is morality subjective and changes on what people feel to believe?

Yes and no matter much one questions, rationalizes and compares, they can only do so within their society context and time. Eg. Subjective morality of murder could flex whether you are in a passive nation/time or warring nation/time.

Not that the presence of the bible makes things any better. In fact the Bible was used as justification to hold back progress in a lot of cases. Also, man decides on the interpretation of the bible (for which there are hundreds). So you should also ask yourself where does man get the wisdom to interpret the bible and why have there been so many changes over the years in something that claims to be absolute.

But funniest thing is when they adopt societal norms and claim that it was their teaching all along. But not everyone gets the memo of the changes. Hence the amount of variations in something that claims to be absolute.

Victory lap done

[meccalli]

Bluefete, have you seen the entire series with with Michael Rood on that couple who explored the true sinai and the exodus, it's a real blessing.

And while I'm here, might as well throw up the new trend of posting images with witty words about religion, this one isn't from backyard atheists, rather the father of quantum theory.

[bluefete]

Bluefete, have you seen the entire series with with Michael Rood on that couple who explored the true sinai and the exodus, it's a real blessing.

And while I'm here, might as well throw up the new trend of posting images with witty words about religion, this one isn't from backyard atheists, rather the father of quantum theory.

No, I have not. Tried googling it but did not see anything specifically related to that topic.

Nice quote from Max Planck.

Duane would certainly query that because there is no intelligent design to anything that exists, for him.

[aks]

ok, so from a non-religious perspective, is morality subjective and changes on what people feel to believe?

But funniest thing is when they adopt societal norms and claim that it was their teaching all along. But not everyone gets the memo of the changes. Hence the amount of variations in something that claims to be absolute.

Victory lap done

tru dat

When will ppl see that when u decide to follow a religion u really decide to follow a man why not follow God directly I think that is the real test ......books about God are for fools, you are the proof God is a reality what else do u need ......have you ever wondered why does the bible and our legal documentation eg affidavit and so on carry the same type of english eg therewith ,hereto ,thou est ,thou ponder on that

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

ok, so from a non-religious perspective, is morality subjective and changes on what people feel to believe?

But funniest thing is when they adopt societal norms and claim that it was their teaching all along. But not everyone gets the memo of the changes. Hence the amount of variations in something that claims to be absolute.

Victory lap done

tru dat

When will ppl see that when u decide to follow a religion u really decide to follow a man why not follow God directly I think that is the real test ......books about God are for fools, you are the proof God is a reality what else do u need ......have you ever wondered why does the bible and our legal documentation eg affidavit and so on carry the same type of english eg therewith ,hereto ,thou est ,thou ponder on that

how do you follow God without the book?

[aks]

Does one not recognize a higher power exists without a book to tell him so ..?just because a book can tell u about biology or history does that lend to a reason why men are so adapted to learning from books, that no one can see a book written by men about God could only be speculation....

[bluesclues]

Does one not recognize a higher power exists without a book to tell him so ..?just because a book can tell u about biology or history does that lend to a reason why men are so adapted to learning from books, that no one can see a book written by men about God could only be speculation....

why WOULDNT God contact his creation to provide them with instruction? Why would he just create us and leave us here with nothing to go on. i believe the real truth is that God contacted men and gave them instruction. at the end of the day, Religions of all types have overtaken this entire Globe. to believe that they were just constructed so that worldly men can hold power of exploitation over us would mean that all the religions are in collusion. linked by some central source. u then still have to ask, what one source could hold so much power to overtake the Globe?

[aks]

Instructions u say ,do you really need a book to know wrong from right? is it not based within you ,well ok this is wrong and that feels right ,most of the religions preach enmity towards each other especially christianity ,islam the same i'm sure the founders of each and every religion intended good faith among their own ppl and pal God didn jus create us and leave us here to go on God never left, but any how lets take what you said into context u really believe that such a high power the almighty God had the need to come to us to tell us things that God embedded in our dna does somebody have to tell a dog its mating season ....ponder.....religion has led us away from the path of true Godliness, true unity .All religions are not linked anyhow and to think in terms of one global power i would say u watch too many episodes of pinky and the brain my friend and speaking of brains thats why God issued you one so you could do your own thinking not follow someone else's and how do you know that God never contacted you through inspiration......in that thing God gave you the wonderful brain.....

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

well this took a turn

[bluesclues]

Instructions u say ,do you really need a book to know wrong from right? is it not based within you ,well ok this is wrong and that feels right ,most of the religions preach enmity towards each other especially christianity ,islam the same i'm sure the founders of each and every religion intended good faith among their own ppl and pal God didn jus create us and leave us here to go on God never left, but any how lets take what you said into context u really believe that such a high power the almighty God had the need to come to us to tell us things that God embedded in our dna does somebody have to tell a dog its mating season ....ponder.....religion has led us away from the path of true Godliness, true unity .All religions are not linked anyhow and to think in terms of one global power i would say u watch too many episodes of pinky and the brain my friend and speaking of brains thats why God issued you one so you could do your own thinking not follow someone else's and how do you know that God never contacted you through inspiration......in that thing God gave you the wonderful brain.....

right from wrong is written in the heart in the form of the conscience. but not everyone hears or listens to their conscience. some more or less than others. the books, of all religion provide instruction on the same morality that speaks from the heart but is discerned or ignored. i really hope you are smart and using your brain. because in the case of those who recognize the teachings as good and try their best to follow them theyll be in better shoes than you if there is a God and it wouldnt matter if there isnt. but in the case of those who doubt and refuse reverence to God and disregard all teachings to think themselves wise unto themselves, if they are wrong, im afraid the consequences may not be as pleasant as for religious believers being wrong in their belief.

but u already show a certain level of ignorance on topics that matter and are necessary to understand the situation ur in. u think the religions fight eachother. but it is men fighting eachother in the name of religion and in the name of serving God while the instructions are contrary to what men are actually doing. so go ahead. take your gamble. me telling you there is true reward to be gained wont change your mind. so i guess we'll just find out who was wise one day.

what you may be hoping for is that no matter how immoral you live. cheating on girfriends and using women and deceiving them for sex. the lies you tell and the deceptions u make to further your life's ambitions etc. that there should be no punishment. well like i said. i see that as a gamble. i am not a gambling man.

[Slartibartfast]

...what one source could hold so much power to overtake the Globe?

Greed

[Altec55]

ok, so from a non-religious perspective, is morality subjective and changes on what people feel to believe?

Yes and no matter much one questions, rationalizes and compares, they can only do so within their society context and time. Eg. Subjective morality of murder could flex whether you are in a passive nation/time or warring nation/time.

Not that the presence of the bible makes things any better. In fact the Bible was used as justification to hold back progress in a lot of cases. Also, man decides on the interpretation of the bible (for which there are hundreds). So you should also ask yourself where does man get the wisdom to interpret the bible and why have there been so many changes over the years in something that claims to be absolute.

But funniest thing is when they adopt societal norms and claim that it was their teaching all along. But not everyone gets the memo of the changes. Hence the amount of variations in something that claims to be absolute.

Victory lap done

I'm assuming the changes you are talking about relates to the different Bible translations. I hear people saying they only want King James Bibles because it's they think other versions have changes, however that is far from the truth. There are different versions of the Bible because the original scripts are written in many different languages, hence the need for translation. The range of translation goes from "word for word" to "idea to idea." It's something that is necessary in studying the Word. There are also some words that are difficult to translate and someone studying the Bible has to research these things to determine what it means.

Man gets the wisdom to interpret the Bible from God. I can attest to this fact. Anyone will be able to attest to it also if they want to find out for themselves. The meanings/teachings of the Bible doesn't change.

I believe the Bible is God's Word, therefore, for me, morality doesn't change. I know society has its own morals or lack thereof. Within our own lifetimes we've watched it change. Simple example, in the early 90's there was virtually no cursing of any sort on TV or the radio (except for HBO etc), today cursing is normal on both.

You must run a victory lap if you running by yourself. Lol

(BTW, I find it hard to keep up with the pace of discussions on here, but will try to reply if need be and I get a chance.)

[MG Man]

you mean like how god was cool with slaves nshit but then changed his mind on that?
yay god of the bible

[Slartibartfast]

Man gets the wisdom to interpret the Bible from God. I can attest to this fact. Anyone will be able to attest to it also if they want to find out for themselves. The meanings/teachings of the Bible doesn't change.

I literally cannot argue with that. Just want to know, which version of the bible is correct and why does God tell everyone something different?

[Altec55]

Man gets the wisdom to interpret the Bible from God. I can attest to this fact. Anyone will be able to attest to it also if they want to find out for themselves. The meanings/teachings of the Bible doesn't change.

I literally cannot argue with that. Just want to know, which version of the bible is correct and why does God tell everyone something different?

Any translation of the Bible translated from the original scripts are correct. God doesn't tell people something different. Anything that someone says God said, must line up with the Bible. If it doesn't, it wasn't God that said it.

[Slartibartfast]

Well what about this.

About 10 years ago when I was an aspiring theologian, it was taught that only through faith can someone get into heaven, no through deeds, lest any man shall boast (don't remember the exact wording). I was taught that atheists, regardless of how good they were would eventually go to hell, especially those that knew the word of God and turned away from it.

Now, few month ago, Pope Francis (awesome guy IMO btw) went ahead and said that atheists that do good will go to heaven. I linked both religious and secular sites.

http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

So is Pope Francis correct, and everyone to ever teach the opposite wrong, or is everyone else wrong and the Pope correct. Or are they both somehow correct even though they say the opposite thing?

[Dizzy28]

Man gets the wisdom to interpret the Bible from God. I can attest to this fact. Anyone will be able to attest to it also if they want to find out for themselves. The meanings/teachings of the Bible doesn't change.

I literally cannot argue with that. Just want to know, which version of the bible is correct and why does God tell everyone something different?

Any translation of the Bible translated from the original scripts are correct. God doesn't tell people something different. Anything that someone says God said, must line up with the Bible. If it doesn't, it wasn't God that said it.

You really need to have a conversation with the one they call AdamB.

Maybe when he finishes his tour of duty in Iraq with ISIS.

[Slartibartfast]

Is AdamB real name Sterling Archer?

[Dizzy28]

Is AdamB real name Sterling Archer?

I actually think his name is Mohan Persad from Debe who converted to Islam sometime in the 90s cuz he see a best beti in a hijab and is now is its fiercest defender on these here forums.

[Habit7]

Well what about this.

About 10 years ago when I was an aspiring theologian, it was taught that only through faith can someone get into heaven, no through deeds, lest any man shall boast (don't remember the exact wording). I was taught that atheists, regardless of how good they were would eventually go to hell, especially those that knew the word of God and turned away from it.

Now, few month ago, Pope Francis (awesome guy IMO btw) went ahead and said that atheists that do good will go to heaven. I linked both religious and secular sites.

http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

So is Pope Francis correct, and everyone to ever teach the opposite wrong, or is everyone else wrong and the Pope correct. Or are they both somehow correct even though they say the opposite thing?

God is not partial to atheists, Jews, Muslims or even professing Christians. God is perfect and he requires perfection, and not only are all of the above less than perfect, they have missed the mark, tripped over on themselves, stabbed themselves with the arrow, died and are now rotting.

The only way any man can merit themselves to God is by the perfect work of Christ being applied to their life, no further works needed (as you said earlier). The Catholic Church differs severely with Christianity because unlike Christians who solely rely on the closed canon of Scripture for all life and doctrine, the Catholic Church believes that the Pope and church tradition are just as authoritative. Hence the Pope like those that went before him can say stuff that contradicts the bible can the church with just follow him. Historically when Christians pointed this out to the Catholic Church like Savonarola, Martin Luther, Calvin and other reformers they were persecuted. That is why they is a clear distinction between Roman Catholic and Evangelical Christianity. Persecution no longer goes on today but the Pope speaks to Catholics, not to Christians.

[Slartibartfast]

The meanings/teachings of the Bible doesn't change.

...The Catholic Church differs severely with Christianity...

This confuses me.

[meccalli]

http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/maryolotry02.html

[Altec55]

I agree with what Habit7 wrote in response to your question.

The meanings/teachings of the Bible doesn't change.

Why does this confuse you? It really doesn't change.

...The Catholic Church differs severely with Christianity...

This confuses me.

Yes I know this confuses a lot of people, however the fact is that Catholics do not only follow the Bible. What Habit7 wrote concerning the Pope is true. When he speaks, he's speaking to Catholics not Christians. What's the difference you are wondering? Christians are followers of Christ. Followers of Christ see the Bible as the basis for everything, nothing they believe should contradict it. Catholics do not carry this view.

[Habit7]

The meanings/teachings of the Bible doesn't change.

...The Catholic Church differs severely with Christianity...

This confuses me.

Catholic Church differs severely with Christianity because unlike Christians who solely rely on the closed canon of Scripture for all life and doctrine, the Catholic Church believes that the Pope and church tradition are just as authoritative.