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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Melchizedek » January 26th, 2019, 7:00 am

Real or fake?

Russian intervention?

Meanwhile, Reuters reported on Friday that private military contractors “who do secret work for Russia” have been dispatched to Venezuela to help beef up Maduro’s security team. Russia’s ambassador to Venezuela, Vladimir Zayemsky, denied the Reuters report, telling Russian state media it was a “spoof story.”

Evgeny Shabaev, the leader of a paramilitary Cossack group with ties to the contractors, told ABC News that the contractors were military veterans who specialize in VIP protection, and that they had been flown into Caracas via Havana on the night Jan. 22, landing the same day that Guaido declared himself interim president.
Shabaev said some of the contractors' relatives had told him the group could be as many as 400 men, flown on two flights. Other sources told Reuters that the numbers were much smaller.

Russian mercenaries have been appearing with increasing frequency around the world, most prominently in Syria but recently also in Africa, including in Central African Republic where they are believed to be guarding the country’s president.

They’ve also been reported in Sudan and Gabon. Shabaev said he did not know who had hired the men for Venezuela. The contractors are often linked to a private company known as the Wagner Group, owned by an oligarch close to Putin. Experts believe the contractors are often hired for sensitive missions where the Kremlin prefers some deniability.
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Postby hydroep » January 26th, 2019, 7:11 am

Maduro announces military drills to show Venezuela is ‘unassailable’

After US and its allies recognized an opposition leader as president of Venezuela, sitting President Nicolas Maduro announced military drills to show that his country is more than a match to any potential invader.

Venezuela's National Armed Forces will hold massive exercises between February 10 and 15, Maduro told journalists at a press conference on Friday. During the war games, he said, the troops will repel a simulated invasion and enhance their skills in defending the territories, coast and waterways of the Latin American state.

“Our Armed Forces make our country unassailable,” Maduro said, adding that the military is quite capable of standing against any aggressor that sets foot on Venezuela's soil. According to the president, the Venezuelan military has reached the “highest professional level.”

Venezuela indeed commands a sizeable military force, amounting to some half a million personnel, including both male and female soldiers. The military consists of the ground forces, the Navy, the Air Force as well as the National Guard and the National Militia. The Latin American state also continues the modernization of its military equipment, which has been started by Maduro's predecessor, Hugo Chavez.

Subjected to the US military embargo since 2006, Venezuela turned to Russia and China – among others – to procure weapons and equipment. The Venezuelans currently have Russian-made Su-30MK fighter jets, several types of strike and transport helicopters, as well as a vast arsenal and weapons ranging from Russian laser-guided bombs to air-to-surface and air-to-ship missiles.

The army has remained loyal to the elected government, despite the reports of isolated small-scale uprisings among the lower ranks of the military. Venezuela remains in political turmoil, however, after the opposition leader and head of the National Assembly, Juan Guaido, declared himself “interim president” earlier this week, immediately receiving support from the US as well as a number of the Latin American countries.

The troubled country might face something more than a heated internal political conflict. US President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that “all options are on the table” when asked if Washington considers sending troops to Venezuela, though the White House is “not considering anything” right now.

The head of the Organization of American States (OAS), which has backed Washington’s regime change push, argued last year that a military intervention against Caracas should not be ruled out as a response to the ongoing crisis.

“With regards to a military intervention aimed at overthrowing the regime of Nicolas Maduro, I think we should not exclude any option,” OAS Secretary-General Luis Almagro said in September 2018, provoking an angry reaction from Maduro.

Ecuadorian ex-president Rafael Correa told RT this week that the US and its allies could still resort to "military [action], assassinations or kidnappings" in their reckless push for a regime change in Venezuela.

So far, the US State Secretary Mike Pompeo openly urged Maduro to step down and called on the Venezuelan military to support efforts to restore "democracy," in a move which could be seen as encouraging an armed coup.

Washington's actions have been repeatedly criticized by Moscow, which accused the US of "bullying" Venezuela, meddling into its internal affairs, and showing no respect to its sovereignty.


https://www.rt.com/news/449753-venezuela-military-drills-counter-invasion/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby 4kin4kar » January 26th, 2019, 7:13 am

We goose cooked.......

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2019, 7:24 am

he want dragon gas badddd.

also, if maduro is allowed to be ousted, by the people, it would justify, the rowley administration being ousted. when they calling for order, and recognition of the rules, and adherence, is they low key trying to say to trinidadians, to be quiet, dont rise up.

they done know that what they doing IS good enough reasons for people to riot and throw them out... but, the people eh riot yet.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby teems1 » January 26th, 2019, 9:58 am

sMASH wrote:he want dragon gas badddd.

also, if maduro is allowed to be ousted, by the people, it would justify, the rowley administration being ousted. when they calling for order, and recognition of the rules, and adherence, is they low key trying to say to trinidadians, to be quiet, dont rise up.

they done know that what they doing IS good enough reasons for people to riot and throw them out... but, the people eh riot yet.
Rowley won elections in 2015. Caricom and other parties the EBC invites deemed it a free and fair election.

Basically think an external audit of your elections.

Venezuela does not have this process but instead they ensure the world that the election was not rigged.

Think an internal audit with your job on the line so you do as the CEO says.

No way any nation would agree with the ousting of Rowley the way Venezuela is doing Maduro.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2019, 10:23 am

UNSC meeting on vene

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Postby hydroep » January 26th, 2019, 11:27 am

^Thanks.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby hydroep » January 26th, 2019, 11:35 am

Venezuela crisis: Maduro given ultimatum by European leaders

Spain, Germany, France and the UK have warned Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro that he must call elections within eight days - or they will officially recognise the opposition.

Mr Maduro is under pressure after his rival Juan Guaidó declared himself "acting president" on Wednesday.

Several countries, including the US, already back Mr Guaidó as president.

On Saturday, an attempt by Russia to block a UN Security Council discussion on Venezuela failed.

President Maduro, who has accused Mr Guaidó, head of the National Assembly, of mounting a coup and has cut ties with the US, was sworn in for a second term earlier this month.

But polls were marred by an opposition boycott and allegations of vote-rigging, leading to large-scale anti-Maduro protests.

On Saturday, Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez wrote on Twitter: "Spain has a responsibility to Latin America... we do not seek to change or remove governments, we want democracy and free elections in Venezuela."

France and Germany also issued similar statements, in what looked like a co-ordinated demand that elections be held in Venezuela.

UK Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the election in Venezuela had been "deeply flawed", repeating his view that Mr Maduro was "not the legitimate leader".

A UN Security Council meeting is being held to discuss the crisis.

Addressing nations at the meeting, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said it was time to "support the Venezuelan people immediately".

"No more delays, no more games. Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you're in league with Maduro and his mayhem," he said.

But Russia's UN ambassador, Vassily Nebenzia, accused Washington of plotting a coup against Mr Maduro.
Why is Maduro being challenged?

He was re-elected to a second term last year - but the elections were controversial, with many opposition candidates barred from running or jailed.

The National Assembly argues that the presidential position is actually vacant because the election was unfair - and that under the constitution this means that Mr Guaidó, as head of the National Assembly, should take over as acting president instead.

Tens of thousands have held protests over Venezuela's economic crisis - including an annual inflation rate that the opposition says reached 1,300,000% last year.

Mr Maduro has so far retained the support of the country's military, but Mr Guaidó has asked them to "put themselves on the side of the Venezuelan people" and back him instead.

How has the international community responded?

The US, more than a dozen Latin American countries, and Canada have backed Mr Guaidó after he said he was the legitimate president.

On Saturday, the US is expected to demand a UN Security Council statement recognising Venezuela's National Assembly as the country's "only democratically elected institution", Reuters reports.

However Russia, a UN Security Council member, has condemned foreign support for Mr Guaidó, saying it violates international law and is a "direct path to bloodshed".

China, Mexico and Turkey have also publicly backed Mr Maduro.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47014322

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2019, 11:45 am

Quite a reasonsble course..

Very well.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby l33t2 » January 26th, 2019, 11:49 am

teems1 wrote:
sMASH wrote:he want dragon gas badddd.

also, if maduro is allowed to be ousted, by the people, it would justify, the rowley administration being ousted. when they calling for order, and recognition of the rules, and adherence, is they low key trying to say to trinidadians, to be quiet, dont rise up.

they done know that what they doing IS good enough reasons for people to riot and throw them out... but, the people eh riot yet.
Rowley won elections in 2015. Caricom and other parties the EBC invites deemed it a free and fair election.

Basically think an external audit of your elections.

Venezuela does not have this process but instead they ensure the world that the election was not rigged.

Think an internal audit with your job on the line so you do as the CEO says.

No way any nation would agree with the ousting of Rowley the way Venezuela is doing Maduro.
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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby ek4ever » January 26th, 2019, 11:57 am

The_Honourable wrote:PM Responds to US Embassy: I take umbrage at the US Ambassador for making a public statement criticising the government of T&T as we take action in protecting the citizens of T&T.

Who cares who shitk1cker takes umbrage at? Growley need to sit his little peong ass down and STFU! The big boys doh give a fcuk what this jackarse have to say. And this fool going to UN for what? It will be like intermission in an Indian movie when he get up to talk. Trump and Putin will be like "who De fack is this"?

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby gastly369 » January 26th, 2019, 12:30 pm

ek4ever wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:PM Responds to US Embassy: I take umbrage at the US Ambassador for making a public statement criticising the government of T&T as we take action in protecting the citizens of T&T.

Who cares who shitk1cker takes umbrage at? Growley need to sit his little peong ass down and STFU! The big boys doh give a fcuk what this jackarse have to say. And this fool going to UN for what? It will be like intermission in an Indian movie when he get up to talk. Trump and Putin will be like "who De fack is this"?
This is what he sounds like basically


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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Monk BANzai » January 26th, 2019, 1:12 pm

ek4ever wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:PM Responds to US Embassy: I take umbrage at the US Ambassador for making a public statement criticising the government of T&T as we take action in protecting the citizens of T&T.

Who cares who shitk1cker takes umbrage at? Growley need to sit his little peong ass down and STFU! The big boys doh give a fcuk what this jackarse have to say. And this fool going to UN for what? It will be like intermission in an Indian movie when he get up to talk. Trump and Putin will be like "who De fack is this"?


Interesting you'd say that.... cuz the big boys are not allies in the least... but bribery and corruption is a common language... one that's reliable. Growley knows this....

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Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2019, 1:18 pm

St Vincent and Grenadines rip America a new one.

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Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2019, 1:36 pm

Bolivia and Surinam ripping america a new one.

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Postby hydroep » January 26th, 2019, 1:40 pm

This making the rounds since the Venezuela situation flare-up. Not sure I believe everything he's saying but it could shed some light on what's going on...


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Postby ek4ever » January 26th, 2019, 3:16 pm

hydroep wrote:This making the rounds since the Venezuela situation flare-up. Not sure I believe everything he's saying but it could shed some light on what's going on...

Maybe we could beg UK to take us back

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Postby teems1 » January 26th, 2019, 3:30 pm

ek4ever wrote:Maybe we could beg UK to take us back


Hmm

One of the main reasons many colonies were granted independence was that Charles De Gaulle vetoed the UK joining the EU until they sorted out their "empire".

He didn't want so many colonies to get EU benefits when the UK eventually joined.

This explains why so many colonies in the late 50's to 1975 were "granted" independence.

Sudan/Ghana/Malaysia/Cyprus/Nigeria/Kuwait/Sierra Leone/Tanzania/Jamaica/T&T/Uganda/Kenya/Malawi/Malta/Zambia/Gambia/Maldives/Barbados/Botswainia/Guyana/Lesotho/Yemen/Mauritius/Nauru/Swaziland/Fiji/Tonga/Bahrain/Qatar/UAE/Bahamas/Grenada etc.

Now that Brexit is about to happen, maybe the band could get back together... who knows...

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Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2019, 3:56 pm

what does UK have to gain?

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Postby pugboy » January 26th, 2019, 4:22 pm

They done raped and pillaged the countries

At least France does still help out their places and take some refugees

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Postby Dizzy28 » January 26th, 2019, 5:42 pm

French colonisation was not peaceful by any means. The Algerian and Indo china wars were brutal and there is some speculation the French still controlling some African countries money and economies via the CFA franc.

And the UK probably has a larger subcontinent origin immigrant population than France has an African origin one.
pugboy wrote:They done raped and pillaged the countries

At least France does still help out their places and take some refugees

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Postby zoom rader » January 26th, 2019, 6:11 pm

sMASH wrote:i agree that they need to shelve dragon gas...
The pnm took down the Dragon from the red house now they want a dragon deal. This funny

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Postby The_Honourable » January 26th, 2019, 11:02 pm

The divided Security Council continues to meet on the unfolding situation in Venezuela with calls from the United States for the international community to recognise the new democratic government led by self- proclaimed president Juan Guaido. This as momentum grew for political dialogue in the country, with countries from the European Union declaring that they too would recognise the new president if incumbent President Nicolas Maduro did not call fresh elections within 8 days.



Prompted by a call from the United States, the United Nations Security Council met Saturday after several countries backed Juan Guaido as interim president of Venezuela. Caryn Ceolin has more on the ongoing crisis.



The UN Security Council held an emergency session to discuss the ongoing crisis in Venezuela. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called on the world pick sides and for the Security Council to support back self-proclaimed Interim President Juan Guaido.


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Postby matr1x » January 27th, 2019, 1:20 am

ek4ever wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:PM Responds to US Embassy: I take umbrage at the US Ambassador for making a public statement criticising the government of T&T as we take action in protecting the citizens of T&T.

Who cares who shitk1cker takes umbrage at? Growley need to sit his little peong ass down and STFU! The big boys doh give a fcuk what this jackarse have to say. And this fool going to UN for what? It will be like intermission in an Indian movie when he get up to talk. Trump and Putin will be like "who De fack is this"?


Trump would joke to Putin and say, "you believe we let one of them run our country for 8 years? "

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Postby agent007 » January 27th, 2019, 3:37 am

The world is extremely divided on many things today. We have varying views on politics and economics etc but we must be mature and logical and briefly put aside persons who hold certain offices. That said, let’s consider the US. Republicans vs Democrats on President Trump’s decisions concerning southern border security, return of troops from the Middle East and return of manufacturing to the USA. He meaning the POTUS is trying to deal with 3 very pertinent areas.
A secured border means managing arrivals and departures would be more controlled and it is to protect both citizens and non citizens of the USA regardless of race or political affiliation. Fact is, drugs, weapons and human trafficking do take place and the cartels exploit their very own. Many Mexicans and other central and South American nationals die as a result of failed policies and a lack of it which can be considered blood on their own hands. This is a form of genocide.
West Indians have a big presence in the US and many of our relatives arrived there illegally to seek a better life known as the American dream. Naturally, we may feel bitter over a man who would prevent this from happening so freely and frequently as it did before. We have a POTUS who is against abortion and LGBTQIA practices but here in T&T we are adopting a liberal stance to keep accepting these vices. So naturally, I would expect the majority of us to join roughly 60% of the world who is against Trump.
Based on the above, we cannot decide to support Venezuela’s Maduro just because we hardwired ourselves to automatically reject a Trump administration decision. The whole shutdown surrounds the bitter hatred of one man who must not get his way. Partisan politics at its very best.
Here in T&T, we have a thriving democracy in the theoretical form and we would not agree to any communist leader running for elections in this country. Also, if things were all great and civil in Venezuela, millions of its own people would not want to leave their very own home land. Look at the crises in the other Central American countries. People are fleeing from persecution, crime, corruption and characteristics of a fail state. People empathize and sympathize with fellow human beings having to face these daily struggles in the third world but the truth is, the US cannot be a home to everyone who seeks asylum through refugee status or seeping through illegally. There is a process to follow and the law of a democracy of the US must prevail. Yet, the media is not focusing on the failed leadership of these nations that are literally driving their people out of the country where migration and brain drain are hot topics of discussion.
Look at here in T&T, the crises we face now due to 57 years of successive failed leadership where corruption and wastage have us where we are today. Yet, many nationals of sweet T&T whether PNM or UNC are tired of our open/porous borders. Some of the concerns are:
1. Illegal immigrants taking the legitimate jobs which should have been filled by citizens
2. Influx of drugs, guns, ammunition, human trafficking, illegal birds and diseases etc.
3. Many women complained about these Spanish women are taking their men. Marriages of failed, families broken up, STD’s become a reality and legit businesses are breaking the law by hiring illegals just to pay them less. This is wrong, illegal, immoral and unethical.
Based on the above, some of us still support Maduro yet things are really chaotic in Venezuela. He has failed his people and we cannot blame Guiado for taking this temporary position until a fresh democratic election is Called. Perhaps with a thriving democracy in place, Venezuela can move on with its mission to eventually become a superpower.
In terms of choosing sides, sadly, if we were to look at it from a viewpoint of who tends to benefit T&T more, I would say it would be better to side with the US on this one. If we become defiant of the US then we must be prepared to ask ourselves, should the POTUS decide not to facilitate us in funding, grants and donations like it has done in the past, are we prepared to ask for and receive help, should we really need it, from countries like Mexico, Russia, Cuba, China, Iran and Turkey etc?
The US has been nothing short of a friend to us. They donated time, money, resources and equipment to us over the years in the form of training sessions, crime detections and analysis, thwarting terror attacks, providing intel to our military during the 1990 coup, donation of k9’s to our TTPS to computer equipment to our FIU and signing of an MOU between the NYPD and the TTPS etc..this is just a drop in the bucket to all those initiatives and projects we have received over the years. We need the US more than they need us and alienating ourselves from them over the likes of leaders such as Maduro would not strengthen our position. I can’t think of any other nation who has supported us the way the US does.
Most of the international influential community are for Guaido and eventually when the dust is settled, do we really want an awkward silence between our PM and the US Ambassador etc?
All right thinking trinbagonians should be thinking that this whole debacle is for Venezuela to finally return to its feet so that it’s people will be given the opportunity for the first time in decades the ability to live In a democracy so that their nationals can return home to their families and jobs and build a nation. This would also fix our illegal immigration situation right now as, like Guyana, I’m not sure if you all are aware but many Guyanese nationals actually returned to their country and it is expected that more will follow.
I am disappointed that we don’t see it the correct way, it is why T&T does show signs of eventual fail state status and I don’t think the opportunity for us to truly be a developed nation would ever be given to us again. Thousands of us are actually leaving our country and migrating to other nations to seek a better life. While Venezuela is about to have its issues fixed now, consider where would we as a country be in 10yrs and who would be willing to intervene and recognize or not recognize our government then in a bid to fix our country?
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Postby Redman » January 27th, 2019, 5:36 am

The idea that sanctions will be place due to a expressed non intervention position are ignoring the fact that the US it self does 16B a year in trade with Vene.

The hopes here that the Dragon Gas will be scrapped ignore the reality that the deal took decades to develop, and will be monetizing gas that Vene will be challenged to monetize at a point when they need cashflow.
That reality will outweigh the political personalities that occupy the noise now.

Regardless of who is President at the end of this will need to continue the business of V...
As has been done for decades.

Mugabe,Pinochet,Saddam and the whole ISIS thing all had their beginning s in the CIA/ US intervening in sovereign states internal politics.

The direct line to stability for V....isn't a puppet of the US...but a clearly internally resolved political process that spits out a home grown and SELF determined leader. Meaning a President that is supported by the majority of Venezuelans
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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » January 27th, 2019, 8:11 am

Aljazeera talking about the two russian bombers that landed in vene...them thing need parachute to assist in stopping after they land

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Postby Gladiator » January 27th, 2019, 8:46 am

Taken from Facebook... For those who high on the balisier juice.

I’m going to try to summarize what’s going on in Venezuela for those who don’t understand.

1) Maduro’s presidential period ended on January 10th. Before that, there were no free and democratic elections; however, on that day his cronies from the Supreme Court, who were illegally handpicked by him, swore him in for a second 6 year term, officially becoming a dictator.

2) Article 233 of the constitution states that the president of the National Assembly (parliament) assumes the position of interim president while the democratic order is reinstated and new free and democratic elections are held. By the way, the National Assembly is the only power remaining that was actually elected by the people.

3) The president of the National Assembly is Juan Guaido and yesterday, complying with the constitution and committed to reestablishing the democratic order, he assumed the position of interim president. Again, AS STATED IN THE CONSTITUTION!

4) It’s important to correct the media that irresponsibly say that he declared himself president. Those reporters should be ashamed of themselves for not doing due diligence.

5) According to the survey company, Meganalisis, more than 81% support the action taken by Guaido and the proof is in the pictures and videos of yesterday’s marches.

6) More than 20 people were murdered during yesterday’s marches by Maduros “defense forces”. Hundreds others were injured or jailed.

It’s is time for countries to choose what side they they are on... right or wrong... good or evil. Right now, Trinidad is on the wrong side and we will pay the price. You can’t sleep with the devil and expect that all go well.

Oh! And regarding Stuart Young’s comment on Venezuela being a sovereign country... Venezuela’s military has been invaded by Cuba many years now. The oil industry is practically taken over by Russia and the gold minds by hezbollah and Colombian ELN.

Originally posted by Jeanette Pollonais

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Postby Dizzy28 » January 27th, 2019, 9:26 am

One of them junk bombers crashed yesterday. Russia parades 50 year old planes and fanboys go crazy.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/22/eu ... gle.com%2F
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Aljazeera talking about the two russian bombers that landed in vene...them thing need parachute to assist in stopping after they land

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby sMASH » January 27th, 2019, 9:54 am

when police or LO pull someone over and tell them remove thier tint, that isnt legal. but if u dont remove it, u getting a 2k ticket, and then u have to go to court and they might still tell u remove it, in addition to paying the fines. up to u to decide on the spot, if ur gonna stand up and go with the legal ting, and take the ticket, or go the illegal way and take the bligh the officials give u.

the rules are applicable, according to who applies them and agree to them. and when.

all that legal, technical, procedural, bureaucratic about who is president, and who is right, and if this happen and if that didnt occur..... all that is for them to decide amongst themselves, what they will follow and what they will not. right here, we had a situation where, the PATT wasnt finding any suitable boat, and cabinet decide to fly out and go and look for boat. it didnt matter for people to submit tenders, to the tenders committee, or get approvals from the board or what not, cabinet say they bringing a boat for tnt to use.

the ligitimacy of their president is for the citizens of venezuela to decide. they, their law makers, their law enforcers, and their military need to settle the matter. the rest of the worl will deal with who answering the fone.

all that talk about who is rightful, in the UN, it was a maduro offical that represented venezueala. not a guaido offical. the maduro holds the power.




u can choose any which way to decide ur president; election, electoral college, paper ballot, electronic voting system, voice vote, drawing straws, pitching marble or trial by combat. the world cant tell a soverign nation how to conduct the way to decide their president. and we cant judge to say if it is legitimate or not, if not invited as overseer. they have to decide which of THEIR OWN rules to follow, and at the end of the process, we will deal with the resultant president.



yes, people saying the process was wrong, they rig the system. but it have some people also supporting the present government. again, they need to sort out their house.

look at what happen to north and south korea. different factions, different ideologies, none was able to reconcile to one head, and u had a separation into two separate systems. same thign happend to north america and the british empire. a faction of colonists didnt want the contemporary administration, they wanted their own rules, and their own leader. they end up thowing out the rulers, saying that they dont think the rules there was valid, and made up their own rules.

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