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Re: CHAGUANAS Traffic Reduction Trial from Mon 3oth Now 2020 ...

Postby Rovin » December 7th, 2020, 6:20 pm

i dunno if d mayor does be a on tuner so like i said in my 1st post : mayor is often on fb so also go post some suggestions there


chaguanas needs more in\out routes for d area since its a pain to be time wasting in all d traffic ...

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Re: CHAGUANAS Traffic Reduction Trial from Mon 3oth Now 2020 ...

Postby ek4ever » December 8th, 2020, 11:28 am

No plan that simply trying to reroute traffic gonna work. The fact is the road infrastructure in that area just cannot accommodate the amount if vehicles. This is the result of planning with your head up your a$$

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Re: CHAGUANAS Traffic Reduction Trial from Mon 3oth Now 2020 ...

Postby Blaze d Chalice » December 8th, 2020, 7:20 pm

https://www.ptvgroup.com/en/solutions/p ... tv-vissim/

https://www.ptvgroup.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Products/Prodcut_Brochures/PTV-Vissim_BRO_EN_2019-06_web.pdf

This thing even has a free 30-day trial period.

But I feel regardless of which software they use, they will eventually be limited by the chit layout of the existing roads.

Best course of action would be to scrap down/dismantle/bomb the whole thing and start over from scratch.

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Re: CHAGUANAS Traffic Reduction Trial from Mon 3oth Now 2020 ...

Postby st7 » December 9th, 2020, 2:54 pm

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/chaguan ... e79a5a14ad

The Chaguanas Borough Corporation has scrapped parts of its traffic plan. However, Mayor Faaiq Mohammed said traffic would still be able to flow east along Eleanor Street and exit to the north and south on to the Southern Main Road and subsequently on to the Chaguanas Main Road if proceeding north after exiting Eleanor Street. He said traffic leaving Marc Street would still be able to cross the Chaguanas Main Road and enter into Trial Street.

The mayor said the plan to allow traffic to enter the Endeavour overpass after exiting the Price Plaza Roundabout has been scrapped. He said while this was working it was causing a backlog of traffic along Rodney Road in the vicinity of the roundabout near ANSA Mc AL complex .

He said this was also causing a backlog of traffic along the Montrose Main Road that filters through Lange Park to access the highway.


He said the one way traffic in the area of Chan Ramlal Street has also been reverted.

Mohammed said this was done after discussions with the Ministry of Works. He said in the new year plans would be discussed for the Endeavour Overpass and the Chan Ramlal area.

Mohammed said the existing roadways cannot cope with the volume of traffic and more roads and lay-bys are needed to allow traffic to exit on to the highway.

Mohammed said he wrote to the Minister of Works requesting a lay-by be installed at Mulchan Sieuchan Road for traffic to exit on to the North Bound lane of the Highway. He said this would ease the congestion near the Medford Gas Station and allow a quicker exit on to the northbound lane for motorist coming from Lange Park and areas in Chaguanas East and allow for a faster flow to the highway from downtown Chaguanas and the Orchard Gardens area.

Mohammed said an overpass was also needed in the Brentwood area to allow commuters from Edinburgh 500 access to both lanes of the highway.


wonder if i'll be credited for that XD

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Re: CHAGUANAS Traffic Solution?

Postby maj. tom » July 12th, 2023, 10:22 am

A solution has been found for Chaguanas traffic snarl

https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/a-solution-has-been-found-for-chaguanas-traffic-snarl/article_0ed6bf0a-2046-11ee-9279-174ad44ce5ad.html

On Monday, Rohan Sinanan, Minister of Works and Transport, Senator the Richie Sookhai, Minister in the Ministry of Works and Transport, and an executive team met with members of the Chaguanas Chamber of Industry and Commerce and other members of the business community.

At the meeting, both parties explored potential collaborative measures to address traffic management issues in the Chaguanas Borough and surrounding areas.

>>>>>The Ministry presented a three-tier plan for short, medium, and long-term solutions for traffic management challenges. The technical team presented a range of projects, including the construction of overpasses and roundabouts to ease traffic flow and congestion in Central Trinidad. Director of the Programme for Upgrading Roads Efficiency (P.U.R.E.), Hayden Phillip also updated the Chamber on a series of initiatives to be executed in the near future. Key initiatives include:

• The expansion of the Solomon Hochoy Highway, to three lanes in both directions, from Chaguanas to the Chase Village Highway.

• A comprehensive reconstruction of the Bridal Road Bridge.

• Rehabilitation of the Caroni Road that spans from the Silver Bridge to the Uriah Butler Highway.

Other ongoing projects that were identified are:

• Improvements to Phase 2A of the Endeavour Interchange.

• Improvements to the Uriah Butler Highway at various sections from Chaguanas to Grand Bazaar.

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Re: CHAGUANAS Traffic Reduction Trial from Mon 3oth Now 2020 ...

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 12th, 2023, 11:22 am

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this proposed road (in blue) that will pass behind Xtra Plaza, Pennywise Plaza and Price Plaza will help a lot to ease up the traffic that currently occurs on the Nagar Rd., however the roundabouts at both ends of Price Plaza are too small and get clogged quickly.

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Postby maj. tom » July 12th, 2023, 11:46 am

*Improvements to Phase 2A of the Endeavour Interchange

Does this mean the flyover, or just generally talking about the entire traffic flow in that area? What changes can be made to the flyover? Unless another separate 2-lane flyover is built parallel so traffic won't have to cross each other to get on the other side of the highway instead of adding that volume to the roundabout and back roads. I think that's unlikely.

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Re: CHAGUANAS Traffic Reduction Trial from Mon 3oth Now 2020 ...

Postby pugboy » July 12th, 2023, 12:37 pm

folks going lange park can go with this behind route?
if so it will reduce those cars

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby maj. tom » July 12th, 2023, 1:33 pm

Found this posted 4 years ago. So they now reach Phase 2 of 5? I think the plan has changed too.




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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby Rovin » July 12th, 2023, 1:50 pm

maybe dise why richie join pnm cause d borough powerless to do major road changes cause that falls under MOW & they always fundless cause "d govt doh gee dem $" to fix nutten ... dey wicked ! ........ :lol: ............ :roll:

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby 2ndchance » July 12th, 2023, 5:41 pm

This work below is ongoing. It's on the short road from the roundabout that is south of the overpass up to the overpass.

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Postby st7 » July 12th, 2023, 9:33 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Image

this proposed road (in blue) that will pass behind Xtra Plaza, Pennywise Plaza and Price Plaza will help a lot to ease up the traffic that currently occurs on the Nagar Rd., however the roundabouts at both ends of Price Plaza are too small and get clogged quickly.


ehh... idk. if that will make any difference... like who would be the demographic for that route? for example, ppl going from price plaza area to soogrim trace to either heartland plaza or jerningham railway road? but i suppose most of the traffic along the nagar road would be for the other plazas too.

they could do better lol

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby pugboy » July 12th, 2023, 9:40 pm

it benefitting those heading south on ubh and swinging off to go lange park, montrose
they can get behind and bypass the roundabout or the lil traffic by bhagwansingh
but not sure how the back road will be meeting rodney road unless they fixing up behind where the old republic bank was in price plaza

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby st7 » July 12th, 2023, 9:48 pm

pugboy wrote:it benefitting those heading south on ubh and swinging off to go lange park, montrose
they can get behind and bypass the roundabout or the lil traffic by bhagwansingh
but not sure how the back road will be meeting rodney road unless they fixing up behind where the old republic bank was in price plaza


that dont make any sense. u only diverting cars and creating more traffic in endeavour and lange park.

let's say in your example they take that road, they now travelling down the road at the back of price plaza which narrow as hell, and then have to wait to get out onto endeavour road. that gonna create a backlog of cars waiting to get out.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby pugboy » July 12th, 2023, 9:58 pm

true, and the distance between that back road connection is quite close to the roundabout off the highway
so they just moving the bottle neck further down the road

but who knows, maybe they will reconstruct that area behind
dont see any other way to channel and break up the large volume heading off the highway onto roundabout and rodney road

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby st7 » July 12th, 2023, 10:18 pm

2ndchance wrote:This work below is ongoing. It's on the short road from the roundabout that is south of the overpass up to the overpass.

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i dont understand from ur description...i'm but a humble idiot lol

anyone has a diagram for the plan for there?

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby maj. tom » July 12th, 2023, 10:38 pm

Watch what they can do:

The traffic on the Nagar Road (Narsaloo Ramaya Rd) is heavy at peak time in the evenings and Saturdays. It's caused by the volume of cars northbound on Nagar Road crossing the south lane to get into Pennywise and Xtra Foods plazas. This makes both lanes stop every 10 seconds and more. Stop that. No crossing of the traffic flow, only one way in the front entrance of the Plazas via the south lane. Put up an uncrossable middle barrier along the Nagar road, widen the road a bit because there is room. This is all the traffic coming in from the Southbound highway too and through the Heartland roundabout. No crossing lanes. Traffic delays right there would ease up considerably and keep the roundabout by PriceSmart flowing.

So what about the northbound Nagar Road lane? Keep driving and go up to the Heartland Plaza roundabout and back southbound now through that new road they're building. Yeah 10 minutes more of driving is not killing your gas tank. Remember this would make the traffic ease up considerably so it shouldn't be a crawl. Make new entrances from that new road into the plazas from the other side. And this is how they can regulate the exits too, only one way flow each side. If you're exiting to go south Nagar road, only exit at the front of the plaza to keep the flow moving in one direction. Exit to Southbound highway, exit at the back where the new road takes the Heartland roundabout back to the highway. Exit to Northbound highway remains the same as now down around the ANSA roundabout and back up across the flyover.

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In fact that entire traffic region is caused by crossing lanes to get to the other side, and it's especially bad too on the opposite side by Medford gas station to go northbound highway and the exit by SM Jaleel Mulchan Seuchan Rd to get back onto the flyover ramp. All this traffic backs up when the volume is peak time and the entire system gets clogged. You can trace it back to that problem.

Roundabouts, double roundabouts and double mini-roundabouts and cutting a few more new access roads can help alleviate the problem of cutting across traffic flow to get to the other side. It's easier and cheaper too than engineering new flyovers and ramps to hold 100 metric tons or more for the next 60 years.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby maj. tom » July 12th, 2023, 10:54 pm

st7 wrote:
2ndchance wrote:This work below is ongoing. It's on the short road from the roundabout that is south of the overpass up to the overpass.

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i dont understand from ur description...i'm but a humble idiot lol

anyone has a diagram for the plan for there?


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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

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maj. tom wrote:Watch what they can do:

The traffic on the Nagar Road (Narsaloo Ramaya Rd) is heavy at peak time in the evenings and Saturdays. It's caused by the volume of cars northbound on Nagar Road crossing the south lane to get into Pennywise and Xtra Foods plazas. This makes both lanes stop every 10 seconds and more. Stop that. No crossing of the traffic flow, only one way in the front entrance of the Plazas via the south lane. Put up an uncrossable middle barrier along the Nagar road, widen the road a bit because there is room. This is all the traffic coming in from the Southbound highway too and through the Heartland roundabout. No crossing lanes. Traffic delays right there would ease up considerably and keep the roundabout by PriceSmart flowing.

So what about the northbound Nagar Road lane? Keep driving and go up to the Heartland Plaza roundabout and back southbound now through that new road they're building. Yeah 10 minutes more of driving is not killing your gas tank. Remember this would make the traffic ease up considerably so it shouldn't be a crawl. Make new entrances from that new road into the plazas from the other side. And this is how they can regulate the exits too, only one way flow each side. If you're exiting to go south Nagar road, only exit at the front of the plaza to keep the flow moving in one direction. Exit to Southbound highway, exit at the back where the new road takes the Heartland roundabout back to the highway. Exit to Northbound highway remains the same as now down around the ANSA roundabout and back up across the flyover.

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In fact that entire traffic region is caused by crossing lanes to get to the other side, and it's especially bad too on the opposite side by Medford gas station to go northbound highway and the exit by SM Jaleel Mulchan Seuchan Rd to get back onto the flyover ramp. All this traffic backs up when the volume is peak time and the entire system gets clogged. You can trace it back to that problem.

Roundabouts, double roundabouts and double mini-roundabouts and cutting a few more new access roads can help alleviate the problem of cutting across traffic flow to get to the other side. It's easier and cheaper too than engineering new flyovers and ramps to hold 100 metric tons or more for the next 60 years.


Also cars coming out of Medford after getting gas turn right causing a backup. You should only be allowed to turn left and head towards Chan Ramlal

Medford needs to redesign and do away with the Royal Castle drive through, let cars filter back onto the main road from the western side of the gas station after filling gas.

Construction of a filter lane from Meulchan Seuchan straight onto the northbound highway will help a huge amount.

Construction of a filter lane cutting through AMCO to head onto the southbound will also help lots. All the cars from Lange Park who want to head south have no need to go to the roundabout.

Allow U turns for coming from Xtra foods heading onto the flyover. No need to route every car to the roundabout.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby maj. tom » July 12th, 2023, 11:13 pm

Yep, once there's no major crossing of lanes. The thing is, all this should have been planned and allocated for new road construction way back when all those Plazas were being first drawn on paper. The owners and government approval authorities didn't care at all about planning for this nor care about the volume of traffic they would bring to the area. The Borough and whoever else authority should not have given permissions for construction without assurance of future traffic planning.

Now it has turned into a frustrating nightmare every morning and evening for the residents in the region. Is rel sheit every morning, the whole of Montrose, all the back streets in Lange Park, the entire of Rodney Rd and that flyover. It reminds me of the days by Grand Bazaar before the interchange. And those Valsayn crossing lights by Nestle in the morning. Nauseous memories.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby st7 » July 13th, 2023, 12:23 am

maj. tom wrote:
st7 wrote:
2ndchance wrote:This work below is ongoing. It's on the short road from the roundabout that is south of the overpass up to the overpass.

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i dont understand from ur description...i'm but a humble idiot lol

anyone has a diagram for the plan for there?


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so what they doing there? widening it or something for more cars to flow to the round about?

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Postby st7 » July 13th, 2023, 12:37 am

maj. tom wrote:Watch what they can do:

The traffic on the Nagar Road (Narsaloo Ramaya Rd) is heavy at peak time in the evenings and Saturdays. It's caused by the volume of cars northbound on Nagar Road crossing the south lane to get into Pennywise and Xtra Foods plazas. This makes both lanes stop every 10 seconds and more. Stop that. No crossing of the traffic flow, only one way in the front entrance of the Plazas via the south lane. Put up an uncrossable middle barrier along the Nagar road, widen the road a bit because there is room. This is all the traffic coming in from the Southbound highway too and through the Heartland roundabout. No crossing lanes. Traffic delays right there would ease up considerably and keep the roundabout by PriceSmart flowing.


i like this idea.. hadda put one by Nagar too cause men go turn there lol

So what about the northbound Nagar Road lane? Keep driving and go up to the Heartland Plaza roundabout and back southbound now through that new road they're building. Yeah 10 minutes more of driving is not killing your gas tank. Remember this would make the traffic ease up considerably so it shouldn't be a crawl. Make new entrances from that new road into the plazas from the other side. And this is how they can regulate the exits too, only one way flow each side. If you're exiting to go south Nagar road, only exit at the front of the plaza to keep the flow moving in one direction. Exit to Southbound highway, exit at the back where the new road takes the Heartland roundabout back to the highway. Exit to Northbound highway remains the same as now down around the ANSA roundabout and back up across the flyover.


maybe 5 mins from PP north round about and back around.


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In fact that entire traffic region is caused by crossing lanes to get to the other side, and it's especially bad too on the opposite side by Medford gas station to go northbound highway and the exit by SM Jaleel Mulchan Seuchan Rd to get back onto the flyover ramp. All this traffic backs up when the volume is peak time and the entire system gets clogged. You can trace it back to that problem.


maybe they should try to construct something like this, but i think there's a building where the ramp would be now
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Roundabouts, double roundabouts and double mini-roundabouts and cutting a few more new access roads can help alleviate the problem of cutting across traffic flow to get to the other side. It's easier and cheaper too than engineering new flyovers and ramps to hold 100 metric tons or more for the next 60 years.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby pugboy » July 13th, 2023, 6:08 am

ask who is the developer of price plaza and how they got it pushed thru so quick
hint a former minister of health

maj. tom wrote:Yep, once there's no major crossing of lanes. The thing is, all this should have been planned and allocated for new road construction way back when all those Plazas were being first drawn on paper. The owners and government approval authorities didn't care at all about planning for this nor care about the volume of traffic they would bring to the area. The Borough and whoever else authority should not have given permissions for construction without assurance of future traffic planning.

Now it has turned into a frustrating nightmare every morning and evening for the residents in the region. Is rel sheit every morning, the whole of Montrose, all the back streets in Lange Park, the entire of Rodney Rd and that flyover. It reminds me of the days by Grand Bazaar before the interchange. And those Valsayn crossing lights by Nestle in the morning. Nauseous memories.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby Dave » July 13th, 2023, 7:09 am

Another hint...company went public the last couple of years.

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Postby pugboy » July 13th, 2023, 7:59 am

yeah, they took advantage of tax free incentives to go public for small businesses
not sure if $800m in assets is considered small business but say wha
the securities and exchange board were fine with it

Dave wrote:Another hint...company went public the last couple of years.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby Dizzy28 » July 13th, 2023, 8:51 am

pugboy wrote:yeah, they took advantage of tax free incentives to go public for small businesses
not sure if $800m in assets is considered small business but say wha
the securities and exchange board were fine with it

Dave wrote:Another hint...company went public the last couple of years.


They didn't go public with the main company.
They formed a new company.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby K74T » July 13th, 2023, 10:00 am

All this super duper secret talk lol

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby Rovin » July 13th, 2023, 10:36 am

its public info

https://trinidadexpress.com/price-plaza ... 2a99f.html

Amalgamated Security Services director, John Aboud and property developer, Anthony Rahael, are the main shareholders of Endeavour Holdings, which was listed as an SME (Small and Medium Enterprise) on the Trinidad and Tobago Stock Exchange on December 12, 2019. Aboud and Rahael together indirectly own 59 per cent of Endeavour ABRA Holdings, which owns 97.32 per cent of the public company.

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby Rovin » July 13th, 2023, 10:48 am

both endeavor & monroe road flyovers needs some sort of interchange ... too many big businesses there for decades close to d chaguanas flyover for interchange

donkey yrs of traffic on chaguanas main road from longdenville junction down to lion house ... then caroni savannah road & southern main road

all these areas being unc strongholds is prolly why they leff dem to suffer & ketch dmc in traffic daily ... d unc in its brief time in office took here for granted cause they know they votes safes, is d same sh1t in areas where pnm have their strongholds

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Re: Chaguanas Traffic Plan

Postby teems1 » July 13th, 2023, 1:02 pm

pugboy wrote:ask who is the developer of price plaza and how they got it pushed thru so quick
hint a former minister of health

maj. tom wrote:Yep, once there's no major crossing of lanes. The thing is, all this should have been planned and allocated for new road construction way back when all those Plazas were being first drawn on paper. The owners and government approval authorities didn't care at all about planning for this nor care about the volume of traffic they would bring to the area. The Borough and whoever else authority should not have given permissions for construction without assurance of future traffic planning.

Now it has turned into a frustrating nightmare every morning and evening for the residents in the region. Is rel sheit every morning, the whole of Montrose, all the back streets in Lange Park, the entire of Rodney Rd and that flyover. It reminds me of the days by Grand Bazaar before the interchange. And those Valsayn crossing lights by Nestle in the morning. Nauseous memories.


There's another massive plaza planned to be open shortly between Pennywise and Price Plaza. Saturday traffic is already ridiculous on that stretch. I can't imagine what it will be once this new one opens.

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