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i am an idiot wrote:AdamB wrote:Hey, gotta go...my whore, sorry wife waiting for me at home!
Disrespectful. U really refer to ur wife like that.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:AdamB wrote:Disrespectful to whom? My wife is MY whore? Who offended?
Real Saints visiting here boy!
Allah of the Quran gave Muhammad a concession though, he alone could marry his 12 wives including 8 year old Aesah.AdamB wrote:However, only ISLAM legalizes it and gives rights to both or all (up to 4) wives and their children.
No Christian denies that they practised polygamy, they would however affirm that they were wrong for doing what they did. From even in the Garden of Eden God set out His standard as monogamy with Adam and Eve. It is reiterated in Deuteronomy 17:17 and polygamists were disqualified from church leadership in 1 Timothy 3:2, 12; Titus 1:6.AdamB wrote:There are examples in the Bible of prophets who practised polygyny, like Abraham, Jacob, Saul, David and Solomon. Christians would deny it but those prophets were not their prophets (of Christianity).
as opposed to a religion where the leader claims that he IS god.Habit7 wrote:To me, Islam and its 18th century cousin Mormonism, is the same man created religion where only the leader has access to God while he accumulates for himself "wives" that the followers cannot do also.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:as opposed to a religion where the leader claims that he IS god.Habit7 wrote:To me, Islam and its 18th century cousin Mormonism, is the same man created religion where only the leader has access to God while he accumulates for himself "wives" that the followers cannot do also.
HE WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THE SON OF GOD
PROPHECY: “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, today I have begotten You.’” Psalms 2:7 "I will be His Father,
and He will be My Son. I will never take My love away from Him as I took it away from your predecessor. I will set Him over My house and My
kingdom forever. His throne will be established forever." I Chronicles 17:13-14
FULFILLMENT: “And suddenly a voice came from the heavens saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:17
"And a voice came from heaven: "You are My Son, whom I love. With you I am well pleased." Mark 1:11
HE WOULD BE BORN FROM THE SEED OF A WOMAN
PROPHECY: “And I will put enmity between you [Satan] and the woman and between your seed and her Seed. He shall bruise your head, and
you shall bruise His heel.” Genesis 3:15
FULFILLMENT: “But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law.” Galatians 4:4
HE WOULD BE FROM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM
PROPHECY: “In your [Abraham's] seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because you have obeyed My voice.” Genesis 22:18
FULFILLMENT: “The book of genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham.” Matthew 1:1 "The promises were spoken to
Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, 'and to seeds,' meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who
is Christ." Galatians 3:16
HE WOULD BE FROM THE SEED OF ISAAC
PROPHECY: “But God said to Abraham… in Isaac your seed shall be called.” Genesis 21:12
FULFILLMENT: “Jesus… the son of Isaac.” Luke 3:23,34
HE WOULD BE FROM THE SEED OF JACOB
PROPHECY: “I see Him but not now. I behold Him but not near. A Star will come out of Jacob, A Scepter out of Israel.” Numbers 24:17
FULFILLMENT: “Jesus… the son of Jacob.” Luke 3:23,34
HE WOULD BE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH
PROPHECY: “…though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for Me One who will be ruler over Israel, whose
origins are from old, from ancient times.” Micah 5:2
FULFILLMENT: “Jesus… the son of Judah.” Luke 3:23,34
HE WOULD BE FROM THE LINE OF JESSE
PROPHECY: “There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots.” Isaiah 11:1
FULFILLMENT: “Jesus… the son of Jesse.” Luke 3:23,32
HE WOULD BE FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID
PROPHECY: “...I will raise up to David a righteous branch. A King shall reign wisely and execute judgment and righteousness in the land.”
Jeremiah 23:5
FULFILLMENT: “Jesus… the son of David…” Luke 3:23,32
HE WOULD BE BORN OF A VIRGIN
PROPHECY: “The Lord will give you a sign: The virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.” Isaiah 7:14
FULFILLMENT: “...God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a
descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary... the angel said to her... ‘You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give
Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.’” Luke 1:26-27, 30-32
HE WOULD BE BORN IN BETHLEHEM
PROPHECY: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for Me One who will be
Ruler in Israel, whose origins are from of old, from the days of eternity.” Micah 5:2
FULFILLMENT: “Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea." Matthew 2:1
HE WOULD COME TO ZION
PROPHECY: "Rejoice greatly Oh daughter of Zion! Shout Oh daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you!" Zechariah 9:9
FULFILLMENT: “And so all Israel will be saved as it is written: 'The Deliverer will come from Zion. He will turn godlessness away from
Jacob. And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins'" Romans 11:26-27
HE WOULD RETURN FROM EGYPT
PROPHECY: "Out of Egypt I called My Son." Hosea 11:1
FULFILLMENT: "So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt where he stayed until the death of Herod."
Matthew 2:14-15
HE WOULD BEGIN HIS MINISTRY IN GALILEE
PROPHECY: "...In the past He humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future He will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by
the way of the sea, along the Jordan." Isaiah 9:1
FULFILLMENT: “Now when Jesus heard that John had been put into prison, He departed to Galilee. And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt
in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali. From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, 'Repent for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.'" Matthew 4:12-13,17 "After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee proclaiming the good news of God."
Mark 1:14
HE WOULD BE A NAZARENE
PROPHECY: "A Shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse. From his roots a Branch will bear fruit." Isaiah 11:1
FULFILLMENT: "And He went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: He will be called a
Nazarene." Matthew 2:23
A MESSENGER WOULD PRECEDE HIM
PROPHECY: “A voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord. Make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” Isaiah
40:3 "I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to His temple. The
Messenger of the covenant whom you desire will come." Malachi 3:1
FULFILLMENT: “John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, and saying, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!’”
Matthew 3:1-2
HE WILL HEAL THE SICK
PROPHECY: “Then the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. Then the lame will leap like a deer and the
tongue of the dumb will sing for joy.” Isaiah 35:5-6
FULFILLMENT: “The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good
news is preached to the poor.” Matthew 11:5
HE WILL SPEAK IN PARABLES
PROPHECY: “I will open my mouth in a parable. I will utter dark sayings of old.” Psalm 78:2
FULFILLMENT: “All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them.” Matthew 13:34
HE WAS TO ENTER JERUSALEM ON A DONKEY
PROPHECY: “Behold, your King is coming to you. He is just and having salvation, humble, lowly, and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a
donkey.” Zechariah 9:9
FULFILLMENT: “And they brought him to Jesus. And they threw their own clothes on the colt, and they set Jesus on him.” Luke 19:35
HE WILL BE REJECTED BY THE JEWS BUT ACCEPTED BY THE GENTILES
PROPHECY: "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering." Isaiah 53:3 “The Gentiles shall come to
your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising.” Isaiah 60:3
FULFILLMENT: "He came to that which was His own, but they did not receive Him." John 1:11 “For so the Lord has commanded us, ‘I have set
you as a light to the Gentiles that you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and
glorified the word of the Lord.” Acts 13:47-48
HE WILL BE BETRAYED BY A FRIEND
PROPHECY: “Even my familiar friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.” Psalm 41:9
FULFILLMENT: “Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.” Matthew 10:4
HE WILL BE BETRAYED FOR 30 PIECES OF SILVER
PROPHECY: “Then I said to them, ‘If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages. And if not, refrain.’ So they weighed out for my wages thirty
pieces of silver.” Zechariah 11:12
FULFILLMENT: “What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you? And they counted out thirty pieces of silver.” Matthew 26:15
THE SILVER WILL BE THROWN INTO THE TEMPLE FOR THE POTTER’S FIELD
PROPHECY: “So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter.” Zechariah 11:13
FULFILLMENT: “Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed. And they consulted together and bought with them the
potter’s field, to bury strangers in.” Matthew 27:5,7
HE WILL BE DENIED BY HIS DISCIPLES
PROPHECY: “Strike the Shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.” Zechariah 13:7
FULFILLMENT: “Then they all forsook Him and fled.” Mark 14:50
HE WILL BE SILENT BEFORE HIS ACCUSERS
PROPHECY: “He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth.” Isaiah 53:7
FULFILLMENT: “And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing.” Matthew 27:12
HE WILL BE FLOGGED
PROPHECY: “But He was wounded for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him
and by His stripes we are healed.” Isaiah 53:5
FULFILLMENT: “Then he released Barabbas to them. And when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.” Matthew 27:26
HE WILL BE TORTURED
PROPHECY: “I gave My back to those who struck Me and My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard. I did not hide My face from
shame and spitting. Isaiah 50:6
FULFILLMENT: “Then they spat in His face and beat Him. And others struck Him with the palms of their hands. Matthew 26:67
HE WILL BE MOCKED
PROPHECY: “All who see Me ridicule Me. They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, ‘He trusted in the Lord. Let Him rescue Him.
Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!’” Psalm 22:7-8
FULFILLMENT: “When they had twisted a crown of thorns, they put it on His head, and a reed in His right hand. And they bowed the knee
before Him and mocked Him saying, ‘Hail, King of the Jews!’” Matthew 27:29 “In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and
the elders mocked him. ‘He saved others,’ they said ‘but he can’t save Himself! He’s the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the
cross, and we will believe in him. He trusts in God. Let God rescue Him now if He wants…’” Matthew 27:41-43
HIS HANDS AND FEET WILL BE PIERCED
PROPHECY: “Dogs have surrounded me. A band of evil men has encircled me. They pierced My hands and My feet.” Psalm 22:16 "And I will
pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on Me, the one they have
pierced, and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child..." Zechariah 12:10
FULFILLMENT: “And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him.” Luke 23:33
HE WILL SUFFER WITH COMMON SINNERS
PROPHECY: “Because He poured out His soul unto death, He was numbered with the transgressors.” Isaiah 53:12
FULFILLMENT: “Then the two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and another on the left.” Matthew 27:38
HIS FOLLOWERS WOULD FORSAKE HIM
PROPHECY: “My loved ones and my friends stand aloof from my plague, and my relatives stand afar off.” Psalm 38:11
FULFILLMENT: “But His acquaintances and the woman who followed from Galilee stood at a distance watching these things.” Luke 23:49
HE WOULD BE STARED UPON
PROPHECY: “I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me.” Psalm 22:17
FULFILLMENT: “And the people stood looking on.” Luke 23:35
LOTS WILL BE CAST FOR HIS GARMENTS
PROPHECY: “They divide My garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots.” Psalm 22:18
FULFILLMENT: “The soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His garments and made four parts, to each soldier a part, and also the
tunic. Now the tunic was without seam, woven from the top in one piece. They said… ‘Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be.’”
John 19:23-24
HE WOULD BE GIVEN GALL AND VINEGAR TO DRINK
PROPHECY: “They also gave me gall for my food and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.” Psalm 69:21
FULFILLMENT: “They gave Him sour wine mingled with gall to drink…” Matthew 27:34 "A jar of wine vinegar was there so they soaked a
sponge in it, put the sponge on a hyssop stalk, and lifted it to Jesus' lips." John 19:29
HIS BONES WOULD NOT BE BROKEN
PROPHECY: “He guards all His bones. Not one of them is broken.” Psalm 34:20
FULFILLMENT: “But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.” John 19:33
HE WOULD BE PIERCED
PROPHECY: “They will look on Me whom they pierced.” Zechariah 12:10
FULFILLMENT: “But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear.” John 19:34
THE LAND WOULD BE DARKENED
PROPHECY: “And it shall come to pass in that day says the Lord God that I will make the sun go down at noon and I will darken the earth in
broad daylight.” Amos 8:9
FULFILLMENT: “Now from the sixth hour until the night hour there was darkness over all the land.” Matthew 27:45
HE WOULD BE BURIED IN A RICH MAN’S TOMB
PROPHECY: “And they made His grave with the wicked- but with the rich at His death.” Isaiah 53:9
FULFILLMENT: “There came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph…and [he] asked for the body of Jesus… When Joseph had taken the
body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and laid it in his new tomb.” Matthew 27:57-60
HE WOULD BE CURSED FOR HANGING ON A TREE
PROPHECY: "You must not leave His body on the tree overnight. Be sure to bury Him that same day because anyone who is hung on a tree is
under God's curse." Deuteronomy 21:23
FULFILLMENT: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who is hung
on a tree.'" Galatians 3:13
HE WOULD ATONE FOR THE SIN OF MAN
PROPHECY: “And He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors.” Isaiah 53:12
FULFILLMENT: “God presented Him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in His blood…” Romans 3:25
HE WOULD REPRESENT THE PASSOVER LAMB
PROPHECY: "...Each man is to take a lamb for his family... The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect... All the people of
the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight... Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the door
frames... On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn... The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where
you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt... Do not break any of the
bones." Exodus 12:3, 5-7,12-13,46
FULFILLMENT: "For Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed." I Corinthians 5:7
HE WOULD BE RESURRECTED
PROPHECY: “For You will not leave my soul in Sheol nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.” Psalms 16:10
FULFILLMENT: “His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.” Acts 2:31
HE ACHIEVED VICTORY OVER DEATH
PROPHECY: "He will swallow up death forever." Isaiah 25:8
FULFILLMENT: "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord
Jesus Christ." I Corinthians 15:56-57
HE WOULD APPEAR DURING A TIME OF SPIRITUAL APOSTASY AND POLITICAL UNREST
PROPHECY: "He grew up before him like a tender shoot and like a root out of dry ground." Isaiah 53:2
FULFILLMENT: The root out of dry ground analogy refers to the Messiah's appearance during a time of spiritual drought and political
upheaval. History shows Israel was in a state of chaos during the first century. The religious leaders were unscrupulous, more than 400
years had passed since the last canonical prophet, and Israel was under the tyrannical domination of Rome. Jewish rebellions were frequent
and the average Jew was more concerned with religious rites and worldly affairs instead of their love for God. Jesus appeared on the scene
with new revelations from God, established the New Covenant, urged an apostate Israel to return to God, and brought the gift of Salvation.
HE WOULD APPEAR BEFORE "THE SCEPTER DEPARTS FROM JUDAH”
PROPHECY: “The scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a lawgiver from between his feet until Shiloh comes...” Genesis 49:10
FULFILLMENT: According to this passage, two signs would take place shortly after the Messiah appeared. Judah would lose its
scepter/tribal identity and Jewish judicial power would be eradicated. In this verse, the word scepter is best translated into tribal staff. For
centuries, each of the twelve tribes of Israel possessed their own tribal staff. This prophecy states the tribal staff, or tribal identity, of Judah
would not be lost until the Messiah came. Even when Judah was deprived of its sovereignty during the Babylonian captivity, it never lost its
national identity or tribal staff. The people still possessed their own laws, lawgivers, and judges.
Judah began to lose its power when Herod the Great (a Gentile) succeeded the Maccabean dynasty, the last Jewish family to reign in
Jerusalem. Furthermore, the legal power of the Sanhedrin was now being limited under Roman domination. This loss of power included the
ability to execute capital punishment sometime between 7 and 11 A.D. The Jews believed the Messiah would appear before Judah lost its
identity but with the legal restrictions imposed on them by Rome, their power was rapidly diminishing. The question remained: where was
the Messiah?
The Jews were well aware of the loss of power. The Jewish Talmud even documents the lamentations of their people with the words Woe
unto us, for the scepter has been taken from Judah and the Messiah has not appeared! But the Messiah had appeared. He was Jesus, a
humble Galilean teacher, traveling about the countryside.
HE WOULD COME BEFORE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE
PROPHECY: “And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple.” Malachi 3:1
FULFILLMENT: The above verse (and others mentioned in Psalms, Daniel, Haggai, and Zechariah) gives a definite reference to the
existence of the Jewish temple when the Messiah appears. This means the temple must still be standing when He comes. Of course, the
Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans and has never been rebuilt- for almost 2,000 years!
The book of Daniel not only speaks of the destruction of the temple, he also provides us with an exact sequence of events:
“...The Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.”
Daniel 9:26
According to Daniel:
The Messiah comes (This happened with Jesus’ birth in 1 A.D.)
The Messiah is cut off (an idiom for killed) (This happened with Jesus’ crucifixion in 33 A.D.)
Jerusalem and the temple are destroyed (This happened in 70 A.D.).
THE EXACT YEAR OF HIS DEATH
PROPHECY: “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city... Know therefore and understand this: from the
issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks... After
sixty-two weeks the Messiah shall be cut off... And the people of the ruler who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary... Then he
shall confirm a covenant with many for one week...” Daniel 9:24-27
FULFILLMENT: This prophecy is known as Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy. Biblical scholars agree the interpretation of the word week
represents seven years. This comes from the Hebrew word for week (shabua) which literally means seven. Seven sets of seven (49 years)
added to Sixty-two sets of seven (434 years) added to one seven (7 years) gives us a total of 490 years.
God reveals to Daniel 483 years would pass between the decree to rebuild Jerusalem and the Messiah's death.
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/prophecy_jesus.html
AdamB wrote:i am an idiot wrote:Allah created satan?
Isn't that what I said? Satan is a jinn created from smokeless fire, not an angel (created from light) that has fallen like my christian brethren say. Angels do exactly as they are commanded. Jinns have free will just like mankind.
Read about the story in the Quran. Satan used to be in the company of the angels. When Allah created Adam HE commanded the angels (and Iblis, later Satan) to bow (of respect) to Adam. All of the angels did so because that's their nature. However, Iblis did not. Allah asked him why he didn't obey (it's not that Allah didn't know). Iblis said, "I was created from fire and he (Adam) from clay, I AM BETTER THAN HIM."
Satan has no power to challenge GOD (Allah) but rather Allah allows him to try to lead astray Allah's servants from among mankind by whispering to them suggesting evil desires. There's no war or rapture to come where you know who will come on a cloud to save ppl...all Nancy stories.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:as opposed to a religion where the leader claims that he IS god.Habit7 wrote:To me, Islam and its 18th century cousin Mormonism, is the same man created religion where only the leader has access to God while he accumulates for himself "wives" that the followers cannot do also.
Habit7 wrote:There was only man who did no wrong, the Lord Jesus Christ, all other true prophets pointed to him. If God didn't choose sinful, faulty people then nobody would meet His standards, but inspite of men's faults He chooses them, and accomplishes His will.
To me, Islam and its 18th century cousin Mormonism, is the same man created religion where only the leader has access to God while he accumulates for himself "wives" that the followers cannot do also.
my comment was from Habit7's point of view i.e. Jesus said he is GodAdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:as opposed to a religion where the leader claims that he IS god.Habit7 wrote:To me, Islam and its 18th century cousin Mormonism, is the same man created religion where only the leader has access to God while he accumulates for himself "wives" that the followers cannot do also.
That's not true, Jesus didn't claim that he was GOD.
It was the "pious" corrupt followers, who knew better than him, knew what they wanted to make GOD (into a man) by making a man into GOD.
Jesus is innocent of that accusation. He (may Allah be pleased with him) was a Humble Servant of God.
Read about it in the Quran:
"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).
:lol::lol:Bukhari (72:715)
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"
Habit7 wrote:^^^you are new here, they are several well written commentaries of people's views from all sides.
that being said:Bukhari (72:715)
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"
The words of Muhammad most favourite wife.
Translation of Sahih Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan:
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"
Habit7 wrote:AdamB I dont see how I manipulated anything, I posted the source and the hadith, I gave no commentary or interpretation, I highlighted what was relevant to current discussion. But if you think the entire hadith would not convey what Aisha is clearly saying then:Translation of Sahih Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan:
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"
Habit7,Habit7 wrote:Firstly, Aisha said from her point of view that Muslim women suffer more than others.This statement does not mean that the suffering was from abuse by their husbands.
Secondly, if you are highlighting that "it was the habit of ladies to support each other" are you saying Aisha was lying too?I am saying that the narrator put this in because it is relevant that Aishah's statement was a natural emotional response to support her fellow woman without even hearing both sides of the story.
Thirdly, Abdur-Rahman is not saying that his wife is lying about the abuse (her skin didn't turn green on its own) he is saying that she is lying about the reason for the abuse. He beat her not because he is impotent, but because she was disobedient and wanted to go back to Rifa'a.
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