The Religion Discussion

[marlener]

Unfortunately,what is taking place now is that people arey just taking what their pastors etc says instead of studying their Bible and asking the Holy Spirit for understanding.I have seen people going to church not even a Bible in hand. There is a place for teachers as the bible clearly says that some God has appointed teachers etc...... When all is said and done,personal prayer and study cannot be replaced as it develops a closer relationship with God and that cannot be gained by someone else. Even where a teacher is concerned,with all his studying if he is not inspired by the Holy Spirit then his learning is earthly and subject to flaws,biases and error.

[Lioniron]

Well said my friend.

[New_SPECIES]

You copied and pasted (quite possibly from a Islamic website) 4000+ words you offered as contradictions in Bible, I equally offered you one of the many websites that answered those apparent contradictions, and I cited my source. Nevertheless in this post viewtopic.php?f=4&t=267363&start=16440#p7377766 you said "NOW, In terms of these Contradictions..." and began to try harder in pressing your first apparent contradiction despite the well worded explanation you received prior.

It clearly seems as though you can’t handle your own medicine!

Especially since every response you give to me is a copy/paste that is always from a Islam Slandering - Christian Site

It is even very easy for you to gather “responses” and to any issues that I would raise since your Christian religion is so threatened by others that they continuously post new websites with discrediting information on other religions.
That gives you alot of ‘ammunition’ to fight you battles on this thread.
Everyone reading this will agree that if a person google’s any question on any religion, the first few pages of sites that come up are those created and maintained by Christians...
And these so called Christians use wrong or twisted information about religions other than Christianity to misguide others. (I’ve said it a hundred times before...)

Also, in the past when myself and others offered multiple answers and explanations to your questions you blatantly refuted them putting up a block wall against everything we had say (regardless of any citation stated) and you always keep quoting from Islam Hating websites that openly insult and ridicule the religion.

The Contradictions I quoted are mentioned on thousands of websites, so there is no need for me to quote where I got them. Even the Christian Site where you Copied your response has these exact contradictions listed.

AND, when I said, "NOW, In terms of these Contradictions...", I wasn't just 'trying' to "press harder" on the first contradiction, I just chose a random Contradiction from the list (as an example) to show how your "responses" just don't make sense and not even logically understandable!


Like I said before: All the so called issues that anyone attempts to raise here, have been argued by the best in all religions for numbers of years with no final conclusion.

So a response to all the issues raised here can EASILY be located on the internet.

But no conclusion can ever be agreed upon since it is based on different beliefs.

That is why, something that “makes sense” to you is totally “wack” for me to believe!


And like I also said before, the questionable statements you made (and keeping making) are:

(1) God occasionally controls Satan (eg. to accomplish is tasks)

(2) Children are always born in sin, since their parent made them through sinful lust.

(3) Jesus is God, but God allowed the people to crucify himself (in the form of Jesus) for it to appear that Jesus is the saviour of the people.
....according to you, in further words, God used Satan to influence the people to murder himself so that the other people watching would think that God/Jesus was the saviour...


Why I refuted your various statements:

(1) If God created, owns and have the ability to control everything, then why control Satan to influence man into wrong doings for a plan to be completed. You are making it appear as though God is limited to only mind control (of Satan) rather than overall superior power.

(2) The act of reproduction is well known as a ‘natural’ act, done by all organisms through various methods. Animals aren’t born to then decide if to reproduce, so hence their life objective is to reproduce, but yet you are saying that it is sinful for man to have sex to reproduce...
Also why does the child have to bear the sin of the parents, if they (the parents) committed the sin of sex due to lust?

(3) You accused the Quran blindly, of stating that Allah is the best of deceivers, although you use your literal interpretation of a particular sentence.
Then according to you, God controlled Satan to crucify himself to make the population think that God is the saviour, (since God is Jesus).
To me... it sounds like you are saying that God has limited power and had to choose that last act of desperation to convince the people...
it also sounds like God Clearly Deceived the people to think he was crucified in the form of Jesus just so that the people would think Jesus is the saviour.
I used the word ‘deceive’ because according to you, God planned the entire thing literally, by controlling Satan.

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[Habit7]

Dude you can quote from which ever website you like but when you do quote verbatim, please do like others and cite your source. If you don't cite, it appears that if the ideas you copy and paste are your own and that is deceptive. At the least reword the statements in your own understanding.

(1) If God created, owns and have the ability to control everything, then why control Satan to influence man into wrong doings for a plan to be completed. You are making it appear as though God is limited to only mind control (of Satan) rather than overall superior power

Let me emphasise again, "our sin is primarily our responsibility that initiates within ourselves, not by any demons prodding us." His sovereignty over all things doesn't limit Him to stay clear of evil that occurs in this world. God has fixed a day that He will judge all evil in righteousness, but until then, even the evil that He allows to occur, it will accomplish His ends while He still remains holy. If you believe in a god that has no control over evil you are free to believe so, but the God of the Bible has sovereign control of even those in rebellion to Him and their acts of rebellion cannot thwart He preconceived plans, rather they subscribe to them. If you still doubt that God is not sovereign over all, His read the first chapter of Job (just as I posted before) and see what Satan has to do before he acts.

(2) The act of reproduction is well known as a ‘natural’ act, done by all organisms through various methods. Animals aren’t born to then decide if to reproduce, so hence their life objective is to reproduce, but yet you are saying that it is sinful for man to have sex to reproduce...
Also why does the child have to bear the sin of the parents, if they (the parents) committed the sin of sex due to lust?

What? I never said anything about sex or children bearing the sins of the parents. Where are you getting this from?

However, if I perceive you mean that you doubt the doctrine of our inherent sin, that doesnt mean that is a result of sinful conception. The Bible teaches that because one man sinned, sin entered the world and everything within our cosmos is in a fallen corrupted state. Children likewise are born sin stained and corrupted, but they are not judged according to their inherent state but according to their deeds (actions). When children come to a level of accountability where they actively disobey their conscience in rebellion then their sins are counted against them. God judge us according to our deeds, not by our parents sin.

(3) You accused the Quran blindly, of stating that Allah is the best of deceivers, although you use your literal interpretation of a particular sentence.
Then according to you, God controlled Satan to crucify himself to make the population think that God is the saviour, (since God is Jesus).
To me... it sounds like you are saying that God has limited power and had to choose that last act of desperation to convince the people...
it also sounds like God Clearly Deceived the people to think he was crucified in the form of Jesus just so that the people would think Jesus is the saviour.
I used the word ‘deceive’ because according to you, God planned the entire thing literally, by controlling Satan.

You are mixing issues, the Quran says that Allah is best of deceivers. The Quran says that Allah made it appear that Jesus was crucified, but took Him up to heaven. This act of deception was one of the examples consistent with the Quran's view of Allah being the best of deceivers.
However, in giving examples of an evil motive being used for God's good, I mentioned, "Satan's interaction with Job, Joseph being sold into slavery but then becoming governor of Egypt and most importantly, Jesus being crucified by men but then becomes the Saviour of all men who believe." I never said God controlled Satan to crucified Jesus. Jesus proclaimed Himself to be equal with the Father and to be Yahweh. Despite the many signs, wonders and fulfilment of prophecy the Jews wanted to kill Him for the charge of blasphemy. However, this was consistent with His plan that was even put forward in the Old Testament, for God to come in the form of man, to suffer and die for the sins of many. Jesus' crucifixion wasn't a "last act of desperation to convince the people," people were convinced before, their faith faltered while He remained in the tomb, but was revived and expounded when He resurrected and ascended to the Father.

That is why Job can say of his affliction, "Though He slay me, I will hope in Him" (Job 13:15)
That is why Joseph can say of his brothers, "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive." (Genesis 50:20)
That is why Peter can say to the Jews concerning Jesus, "But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses." (Acts 3:14-15)

[RBphoto]

No matter.. it's all bullocks.

[Habit7]

Yet you find yourself here...posting

[rocknrolla]

a thing that many people forget to do is action.

ppl study the bible and try to seek God by understanding words in the bible. they try to decode everything all at once and end up falling in a trap of perpetual study trying to understand God with the brain and with logic. as a result they ignore the little good they do learn in search of more knowledge and without incorporating into their lives all the good they learn.

in the end seeking God is more action than words of a discussion. by incorporating and striving to becoming better individuals by improving upon our nature. and by striving to become closer to God by trying to 'walk in Jesus' footsteps trying to conquer our base instinct which control us more than we control them as is our power to do. by striving for perfection, which we may never achieve but that each day we grow closer toward as a show of good faith to God and that we trying.

by living the way, and incorporating the good teachings into ur heart and the way of life, new insights open up to u. u see the world through different eyes, and riddles that baffled you before become clear. and u grow in wisdom being able to see ur previous ignorance and your present mental state differentiated.

trying to wrap ur mind around the whole bible with just the human brain.. u might have to have no life doing that because the deeper u look, the more u will see. it is constructed quite profoundly.

but if u incorporate the core message u will learn more and come closer to God and the Holy Spirit which will provide u better insight.

the core message is live good with good will towards all men(compassion, empathy etc), praise God(pray), and meditate(find a peaceful place to try and synchronize flesh and spirit and end the inner war between the two).

dont stick on things u cant understand. move on and learn from the things u can. take what is good and incorporate it along the way. it wont only make u a better person, but a stronger person in faith with God by your side.

[bluefete]

Under God’ Atheist Family’s Pledge Battle That Could Have Nationwide Implications Heads to Mass. Supreme Court


The Blaze
Billy Hallowell 7 hours ago

It was in early 2012 that TheBlaze first reported about a Massachusetts family's efforts to have "under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. While the atheist parents ardently pushed the case, a judge ruled in favor of the Acton Boxborough Regional School District, finding that there is nothing unconstitutional about the proclamation.

The case is returning to the courtroom on Wednesday, when the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court will hear oral arguments at 9 a.m.

The current battle commenced in February 2012 when an atheist family launched the case to have the words "under God" removed from the pledge. Months later, in June 2012, the American Humanist Association's Appignani Humanist Legal Center announced the parents planned to appeal after the Middlesex Superior Court ruled against the family.

As The Blaze previously reported, the family decided to sue the Acton-Boxborough school system, claiming that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words "under God" discriminates against their children. The parents, who wish to remain anonymous, are identified only as John and Jane Doe. They have three children in the district -- one in high school and two others in middle school.

In Middlesex Superior Court last year, David Niosie, the family's lawyer asked that the words be taken out of the pledge.

"No child should go to school every day, from kindergarten to grade 12, to be faced with an exercise that defines patriotism according to religious belief," Niose said at the time of the initial dismissal. "If conducting a daily classroom exercise that marginalizes one religious group while exalting another does not violate basic principles of equal rights and nondiscrimination, then I don't know what does."

While some might dismiss the case as similar to past unsuccessful efforts to remove "under God," the family, led by their attorneys, is taking a very different strategic approach. Rather than using the U.S. Constitution as their basis, the plaintiffs are going after the state's use of "under God," claiming that it is, instead, a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.

"This is the first time a legal challenge to government use of 'under God' is based on the equal protection rights in a state constitution instead of the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment," the law center said in a statement Tuesday.

Religion News Service's Kimberly Winston reported that this intentional strategy follows a blueprint that was used by gay rights advocates a decade ago. In 2003, Massachusetts became the first state to issue gay marriage licenses, using equal rights laws to secure a win. Later, other states followed this model. In the case of the pledge, as Winston notes, a win for the atheist family could spark a similar pattern in other localities.

Last year, Noise said that the pledge is "a daily indoctrination." The recitation essentially, in his view, defines patriotism as a belief in the ideal that a higher power exists. Since state law requires the inclusion of the pledge in schools, the lawyer argues that this is a problematic endorsement that discriminates.

"When we define patriotism with a religious truth claim -- that the nation is in fact under a god -- we define nonbelievers as less patriotic," he said following last year's proceedings.

But the pledge, the Middlesex Superior Court noted, is only optional for students to say. Now, the state's highest court will have a say in the matter.

"Under God" was added to the pledge by various groups in the late 1940s and early 1950s and was officially adopted by Congress in 1954. Since then, it has sparked controversy among atheist and church-state separation advocacy organizations.

[New_SPECIES]

Dude you can quote from which ever website you like but when you do quote verbatim, please do like others and cite your source. If you don't cite, it appears that if the ideas you copy and paste are your own and that is deceptive. At the least reword the statements in your own understanding.

If the contradictions that I posted previously are from my mind or from a site... what’s the difference?

They all deserve some kinda viable explanation... One that I clearly haven’t received from you as yet!

And if the views are my own, then how is it that the site where you got all those responses from, has responses to each of the issues I raised?

..... it is because it was raised already!...... year after year!..... what you need site reference for?

It is all over the internet word for word... you self accused me of coping it word for word from a site, but then you saying you want citation?

Don’t distract yourself from the issues.

(1) If God created, owns and have the ability to control everything, then why control Satan to influence man into wrong doings for a plan to be completed. You are making it appear as though God is limited to only mind control (of Satan) rather than overall superior power

Let me emphasise again, "our sin is primarily our responsibility that initiates within ourselves, not by any demons prodding us." His sovereignty over all things doesn't limit Him to stay clear of evil that occurs in this world. God has fixed a day that He will judge all evil in righteousness, but until then, even the evil that He allows to occur, it will accomplish His ends while He still remains holy. If you believe in a god that has no control over evil you are free to believe so, but the God of the Bible has sovereign control of even those in rebellion to Him and their acts of rebellion cannot thwart He preconceived plans, rather they subscribe to them. If you still doubt that God is not sovereign over all, His read the first chapter of Job (just as I posted before) and see what Satan has to do before he acts.

I do believe that God can control evil, but I don’t believe that he does that right now...

I believe that evil exists in this world to roam as they please and influence as they please, hence the reason why Muslims are commanded to say a prayer at least five times a day.

The regular prayer maintains a closeness of a person to God which in turn keeps the person “God Conscious”.

This God consciousness resists a person’s temptation to do evil and creates a temporary guard against the “evil whisperers” that rampantly exists.

Due to the free roaming of evil and their relentless desire to send man into error, one prayer is considered as only a ‘temporary guard’ and the person is required to “rebuild his defences” with the following prayer.

I do believe (obviously) that God has superior control over everything...

And I also do believe that God has a fixed Judgement day...

But I don’t believe that God needs to CONTROL evil for his plan to be fulfilled.
I believe that God’s superior power doesn't require an interaction with a demon nor a creation of his to be sinned, in order for him to achieve his desired outcome.

I just don’t believe that any plan of God had anything to do with an influence of Satan.

I believe that the influence of Satan is allowed and man is required to resist and stay steadfast in worship to maintain resistance.

Where the influence of Satan is triumphant and man does fall into error, then the sincerity of the man and his respective plea for forgiveness from God, will determine the man’s future.

With God’s forgiveness, the man will then come out of an undesired (sinful) path and return to the path that God has intended.

It’s my personal belief from what I understand in my religion...

Because to me, if the sin committed by a man was due to God controlling Satan, then how can that person be fairly judged in front of others on Judgement Day?

So when you made reference to:

"Satan's interaction with Job, Joseph being sold into slavery but then becoming governor of Egypt..."

God’s plan for Joseph becoming the Governor could have taken many paths...
I personally don’t believe that God’s plan required Satan’s influence on Job.

Satan’s influence happened but it just showed that no matter who influenced who or who tried to stop what, in the end, God’s plan for Joseph could not be stopped.

It doesn’t mean that Satan’s influence was necessary for the accomplished plan, it just showed the persistence of Satan to interfere and obstruct to no avail.

[Habit7]

I respect your beliefs and your objections, but they do not prove that the Bible is inconsistent with itself. It is just inconsistent with you Islamic ideology which came from Muhammad 700 years later.

[MG Man]

So what wrong if Islam came after??? Your book came millennia after the Gita

[Habit7]

The Bible doesn't reference the Gita.

[New_SPECIES]

I respect your beliefs and your objections, but they do not prove that the Bible is inconsistent with itself. It is just inconsistent with you Islamic ideology which came from Muhammad 700 years later.

The inconsistencies that I quoted was in no way referencing Islamic ideology...


It was showing where the Bible "say one thing" in a particular verse...

But then says something contrary (about the same incident) in another verse.


Also, I said already that I moved away from that "Bible Inconsistency" thing a long time ago, since your defence raised many other issues that we are now discussing...

And since within your defence... there are ‘issues’ to be discussed then the topic of Bible Inconsistency will have to take a back seat while these issues take the forefront.


So let me bring you up to speed...

We were discussing your views, when (in your defence of Bible Inconsistencies) you said:

(1) “God controls Satan to accomplish his plans”

(2) “Man being born to commit sin naturally even without Satan’s influence”

Hence the reason for my last few posts...

[MG Man]

The Bible doesn't reference the Gita.

ok fine, it rips off Sumerian stories, which predate it as well...happy now?

[New_SPECIES]

So what wrong if Islam came after??? Your book came millennia after the Gita.

The Bible doesn't reference the Gita.

But the Book of Moses came before the Bible...

And the Bible references the Book of Moses...

......................

So what will be your defence, if the people who believe in the Book of Moses, say that the Bible is False?

Why should the people of Moses, go on to believe the Book of Jesus?

Especially, since you (the people of Jesus) blatantly deny and ignore the follow up book of the Jesus, which is the Quran.

They would be thinking no different than you are right now (under Christianity)...

[Habit7]

New_SPECIES you might disagree with certain views of the Bible and you have the freedom to. But these issues are fleshed out and discussed within the Bible and harmonizes totally with it teachings. That is why it is with good reason Muhammed's illiteracy becomes a shortcoming because He references Job in the Quran yet he was never able to read that Job's affliction at the hand of the Satan was allowed and tempered by God. Further, he also references the Torah, but it seems he never read Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5

If the God of Bible was the same of Islam, then a consistent Muslim would agree with those two points. But while Muhammed endorsed Genesis (the Genesis of his day is the same of today, unchanged) and referenced Job, you as a Muslim disagree with them. Thus Islam does not share the God of the Bible.

The Bible doesn't reference the Gita.

ok fine, it rips off Sumerian stories, which predate it as well...happy now?

Conspiracy theory much?

[Habit7]

So what wrong if Islam came after??? Your book came millennia after the Gita.

The Bible doesn't reference the Gita.

But the Book of Moses came before the Bible...
And the Bible references the Book of Moses...
......................
So what will be your defence, if the people who believe in the Book of Moses, say that the Bible is False?
Why should the people of Moses, go on to believe the Book of Jesus?
Especially, since you (the people of Jesus) blatantly deny and ignore the follow up book of the Jesus, which is the Quran.
They would be thinking no different than you are right now (under Christianity)...

The Book of Moses is within the Bible (the first 5 books/Pentateuch/Torah/Book of Moses).
There is no Book of Jesus.
The Bible teaches that the New Testament is final revelation from God and if any man or angel comes with something else, don't believe it. Galatians 1:8

I am beginning to believe that you are speaking absolutely about things you don't understand or never heard a counterpoint to what you were taught. I advise you to do some research outside your sources before you pronounce on something you lack any depth in.

[HOPE4ALL]

MAYBE YOU ALL READY FOR THIS NOW....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... c8IWGN9-8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 4SbNlA6xrw



באלוהים אנו בוטחים

[rocknrolla]

Under God’ Atheist Family’s Pledge Battle That Could Have Nationwide Implications Heads to Mass. Supreme Court


The Blaze
Billy Hallowell 7 hours ago

It was in early 2012 that TheBlaze first reported about a Massachusetts family's efforts to have "under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. While the atheist parents ardently pushed the case, a judge ruled in favor of the Acton Boxborough Regional School District, finding that there is nothing unconstitutional about the proclamation.

The case is returning to the courtroom on Wednesday, when the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court will hear oral arguments at 9 a.m.

The current battle commenced in February 2012 when an atheist family launched the case to have the words "under God" removed from the pledge. Months later, in June 2012, the American Humanist Association's Appignani Humanist Legal Center announced the parents planned to appeal after the Middlesex Superior Court ruled against the family.

As The Blaze previously reported, the family decided to sue the Acton-Boxborough school system, claiming that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance with the words "under God" discriminates against their children. The parents, who wish to remain anonymous, are identified only as John and Jane Doe. They have three children in the district -- one in high school and two others in middle school.

In Middlesex Superior Court last year, David Niosie, the family's lawyer asked that the words be taken out of the pledge.

"No child should go to school every day, from kindergarten to grade 12, to be faced with an exercise that defines patriotism according to religious belief," Niose said at the time of the initial dismissal. "If conducting a daily classroom exercise that marginalizes one religious group while exalting another does not violate basic principles of equal rights and nondiscrimination, then I don't know what does."

While some might dismiss the case as similar to past unsuccessful efforts to remove "under God," the family, led by their attorneys, is taking a very different strategic approach. Rather than using the U.S. Constitution as their basis, the plaintiffs are going after the state's use of "under God," claiming that it is, instead, a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.

"This is the first time a legal challenge to government use of 'under God' is based on the equal protection rights in a state constitution instead of the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment," the law center said in a statement Tuesday.

Religion News Service's Kimberly Winston reported that this intentional strategy follows a blueprint that was used by gay rights advocates a decade ago. In 2003, Massachusetts became the first state to issue gay marriage licenses, using equal rights laws to secure a win. Later, other states followed this model. In the case of the pledge, as Winston notes, a win for the atheist family could spark a similar pattern in other localities.

Last year, Noise said that the pledge is "a daily indoctrination." The recitation essentially, in his view, defines patriotism as a belief in the ideal that a higher power exists. Since state law requires the inclusion of the pledge in schools, the lawyer argues that this is a problematic endorsement that discriminates.

"When we define patriotism with a religious truth claim -- that the nation is in fact under a god -- we define nonbelievers as less patriotic," he said following last year's proceedings.

But the pledge, the Middlesex Superior Court noted, is only optional for students to say. Now, the state's highest court will have a say in the matter.

"Under God" was added to the pledge by various groups in the late 1940s and early 1950s and was officially adopted by Congress in 1954. Since then, it has sparked controversy among atheist and church-state separation advocacy organizations.

lmao. an atheist trying to use her God-given inalienable rights to fight the constitution? it really doesnt matter what choice the court makes because as an atheist with no God, she really doesnt or shouldnt have the benefit of any rights to contest anything in court.

ppl really dont know nah. still interested to see what direction the court will take. they may afford her her ability to refuse the 'under God' part. and note her ungrateful systematic use and benefit of the rights she used to fight the case considering the only reason they will rule in her favour is because her rights are God-given in the constitution whether she acknowledges God or not. lucky her.

[New_SPECIES]

New_SPECIES you might disagree with certain views of the Bible and you have the freedom to. But these issues are fleshed out and discussed within the Bible and harmonizes totally with it teachings. That is why it is with good reason Muhammed's illiteracy becomes a shortcoming because He references Job in the Quran yet he was never able to read that Job's affliction at the hand of the Satan was allowed and tempered by God. Further, he also references the Torah, but it seems he never read Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5

If the God of Bible was the same of Islam, then a consistent Muslim would agree with those two points. But while Muhammed endorsed Genesis (the Genesis of his day is the same of today, unchanged) and referenced Job, you as a Muslim disagree with them. Thus Islam does not share the God of the Bible.

No matter what you are quoting and where you quote from, the scripture is always clearly manipulated, either in the text as you state it or in the meaning that you derive from it.

Simple and small changes in any text can have, and did have very, very different interpretations and meanings, causing alot of misguidance.

See this page as an example as what I am saying:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NI ... hanges.htm

........ It shows where at least 300 changes were made from the original text over the years.

So your meaning or interpretation that you explained is never accurate to what is taught in Islam because you have your own interpretation of the original text from the original language...

And that is why discrepancies appear.... Like I said: Small Changes = Large Difference in Interpretation!

Discrepancies will also always appear when you try to quote from the "Latest Edition" of the Bible (the New Testament) and compare it to the Original Quran.

Similarities will only be seen in the Original Old Testament with Original Text and the Original Quran.

Explain it however you like and try to convince yourself in how many ever ways you want, but the fact remains that your overwhelming misguidance comes merely from the fact that you are continuously quoting from a book that has been manipulated and adjusted after Jesus died.


As you can see below, there are a number of Misinterpreted or Re-written Bible Verses (that differ from the original script) that does not agree with the teachings of the Quran.

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#1

BIBLE:

“And God said, let us make a man in our image, after our likeness.”Genesis 1:26


QUR’AN:

“Say He is God, the One and Only God, the Eternal, Absolute. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him!” Qur’an112:1-4

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#2

BIBLE:

“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED, and was REFRESHED”. Exo. 31:17

QUR’AN:

“We have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six days, and no fatigue touched us.” Qur’an 50:38
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#3

BIBLE:

6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
6:6 And the LORD repented that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:5-6

QUR’AN:

“With Him (God) are the keys to all secrets; none knows them except He. He knows everything on land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls without His knowledge. Nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil. Nor is there anything wet or dry, that is not recorded in a profound record.”Qur’an 6:59
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#4

BIBLE:

“With the pure you show yourself pure and with the crooked you show yourself perverse”
2Samuel 22:27

QUR”AN:

“O you who believe stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to God even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin.” Qur’an 4:135
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#5

BIBLE:

“And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the son of man had built. And the Lord said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they can do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down; and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called bable, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.” Genesis 11:5-9.

QUR’AN:

”O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.” Qur’an 49:13
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#6

BIBLE:

“We conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” Roman 3:28

QUR’AN:

“Do men think that they will be left alone on saying we believe and they will not be tested?
But, we did test those before them and God will certainly know those who are true from those who are false.” Qur’an 29:1
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#7

BIBLE:

How long will you forget me, O Lord. Psalm 13:1

QUR’AN:

He said, “The knowledge thereof is with my Lord in a record. My Lord never errs, nor does He forget.” Quran 20:52
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#8

BIBLE:

Then the Lord AWAKED as one out of SLEEP, and like a mighty man that shouts by reason of WINE.
Psalm 78:65

QUR’AN:

GOD: there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. Quran 2:255
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#9

BIBLE:

God said to Jesus, “You are my son today I have begotten you” Heb.5:5
God said to David, “You are my son today I have begotten you” Psalm2:7

QUR’AN:

Proclaim, “He is the One and only GOD. “The Absolute GOD. “Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
Quran 112:1

They said, “The Most Gracious has begotten a son”! You have uttered a gross blasphemy. The heavens are about to shatter, the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble. Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son. It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Every single one in the heavens and the earth is a servant of the Most Gracious. He has encompassed them, and has counted them one by one. All of them will come before Him on the Day of Resurrection as individuals.
Quran 19:88-95
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#10

BIBLE:

The Lord said, “I will break my covenant with them”[Levi. 26:44]
You said O Lord: My covenant will I not break..
38. But you cast off and abhorred, you have been wroth with your annointed. You have made void the covenant of your servant.
43 You have made all his enemies to rejoice, you have also turned the edge of his sword, and have made him to stand in the battle.
46 How long, Lord? will you HIDE yourself forever?
Psalm 89

QUR’AN:

Such is GOD’s promise – and GOD never breaks His promise – but most people do not know.
Quran 30:6
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#11

BIBLE:

“And the Lord said, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
9:6 Slay utterly old [and] young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the elderly men who [were] before the house.
9:7 And he said to them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
Ezek. 9:5-7

QUR’AN:
“GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.”(60:8)
“If they withdraw from you and fight you not, but (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God alloweth no way for you (to war against them).” (4:90)
“If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God.” (8:61)
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I highlighted the above to show the differences between the beliefs, due to the tampering of the Original Text and the circulation of misguided information...

This shows how Christians steered themselves away from the truth.

Aside from that...
You are saying, that the “Bible” (your “New Testament”) said that any book that comes after, is not recognized.
BUT, which VERSION of the “Bible” said this?
Because since so many versions came out afterwards, then how do you know if you should follow any of the later versions of this “Bible”.


Below shows (an example) the various “Bibles” over the years:

NASB New American Standard Bible (1971; update 1995)
AMP Amplified Bible (1965)
ESV English Standard Version (2001)
RSV Revised Standard Version (1952)
KJV King James Version (1611; significantly revised 1769)
NKJV New King James Version (1982)
HCSB Holman Christian Standard Version (2004)
NRSV New Revised Standard Version (1989)
NAB New American Bible (Catholic, 1970, 1986 (NT), 1991 (Psalms)
NJB New Jerusalem Bible (Catholic, 1986; revision of 1966 Jerusalem Bible)
NIV New International Version (1984)
TNIV Today’s New International Version (NT 2001, OT 2005)
NCV New Century Version
NLT1 New Living Translation (1st ed. 1996; 2nd ed. 2004)
NIrV New International reader’s Version
GNT Good News Translation (also Good News Bible)
CEV Contemporary English Version
Living Living Bible (1950). Paraphrase by Ken Taylor. Liberal treatment of ‘blood.’
Message The Message by Eugene Peterson (1991-2000s)


Also see this page for “small” variations in interpretations and translations that could steer people along completely different paths:

http://www.apbrown2.net/web/Translation ... nChart.htm


So for example:

If the a book was issued in year 1611, and it said, “any book after this is false...”

Then how can you follow the “editions” of the later years..?

Especially when, ever so often, some kinda “small change” is made in it!



What you blind yourself from, is the fact that, the Original Bible is the Book of Jesus....

It’s the books that were written over and over and over.... Are Not of Jesus.

So you are right to some extent, since the books that you follow, quote from, and believe in, Are Not anything from Jesus.

At least you acknowledge that you don’t know of Jesus’ Book.

Because if you knew of it, in its true form, you clearly would not have been misguided!

[MG Man]

doesn't matter either way.............clearly your book was written by someone who took the old testament and re-wrote it to suit his own agenda
but jeesz man, of all things to use as a template, the old testament?
the book of the angry, genocidal god :-/

[bluefete]

The Bible doesn't reference the Gita.

But India is mentioned in the Old Testament (Esther 1:1, 8:9)

[t&t tech]

I nw seein this thread............
But i gonna contribute one ting and i never comin bk here, this discussion will never end, simply because different people have different beliefs embedded in them from their own life, no matter wat u say here, it really makes no difference to those who believe what they believe, you show a person where his theory is flawed and he'll show you a loophole in yours, search for the truth in your own lives.

Peace out tuners. Continue as u were.

[bluefete]

Too long to post so here's the link. It's really about whether Hindus helped write the Bible.

http://www.viewzone.com/noah.story.html

[rocknrolla]

doesn't matter either way.............clearly your book was written by someone who took the old testament and re-wrote it to suit his own agenda
but jeesz man, of all things to use as a template, the old testament?
the book of the angry, genocidal god :-/

for there to be JOSTISS God must punish the wicked and reward the good. u want to do what u want and infringe on others and face no consequences while they struggling to behave?

secondly, it might take a little thinking.. but when an inferior intelligence tries to judge a superior intelligence a y2k bug occurs. divide by zero. when ur father smokin cigarette on the chair and tellin u at 8 yrs old 'doh let me catch u smokin eh'. u have to listen. even tho the manner in which he said it may not agree with u. he smarter and know why he telling u not to smoke.

we cant judge God. that is madness to even attempt.

[marlener]

Rocknrolla meet MG man. By the way he is trying to READ the Bible and the Koran for a second time so "knows" what he is talking about.

[MG Man]

lol fella, I do not claim to 'know'
I am just sharing my impressions as I go along
Book of Joshua, for example............kill man woman and child of the cities of the 5 kings who fight israel......put kings in a cave for a few days, then go back, kill them and hang them.........nice way to deal with your enemies
Yet we are horrified in today's world when innocent women and children are casualties of war.........
and what about kill all the men but keep the wimmins for yourselves??? we supposed to believe the women went along happily? Sounds like instructions for slavery and rape to me.............again, this is as I read along to the book............I am not referencing any websites etc....just sitting and reading

[goalpost]

holy crap i've lost track of who's who in this thread. adamb still around?

[MG Man]

prolly lurking somewhere
I wonder what he'd say, knowing my bible app and my qur'an app are living side by side on my iphone, sharing a screen with drinking games app and truth or dare app

[rocknrolla]

Rocknrolla meet MG man. By the way he is trying to READ the Bible and the Koran for a second time so "knows" what he is talking about.

lol i believe i already know mgman. he have a shiny bald head lol