COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[redmanjp]

I don't think we have the UK variant spreading. That was only detected in state quarantine so was contained.

The P1 variant is about twice as contagious. Meaning if the original strain spread to 2 ppl on average this one spreading to 4 ppl on average. Which means 1>4>16>64>256! Which would explain why we are at this stage.

[redmanjp]

want to cite india for covid stats.... well....

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blo ... -in-india/

Yes, 850 died of covid recently in a day, but 27,000 die every day in India


Governments, international organisations and mainstream media continue to drum up fear and panic in India, even as the facts entirely contradict their claims.

At this time last year, in April 2020, much less information was known about the virus. But even though some models were suggesting that this could turn out to be a severe pandemic, our party, Swarna Bharat Party, had insisted that India not implement any lockdowns but follow, instead, an age-based risk management approach. Our recommendation was consistent with the approach identified in officially approved pandemic plans across the world and also with the approach supported later in 2020 by the eminent authors of the Great Barrington Declaration.

After one year of the pandemic, though, we are no longer at the mercy of ridiculous models. We know a lot more – enormously more – about the lethality of the virus. We can say without the slightest hesitation that covid is not a major pandemic by any stretch of imagination.

Around 27,000 people die in India from all causes every day: around one crore annually. People reporting on covid deaths in the media have forgotten that in the arithmetic of fractions there is thing called the denominator which exists for a reason: to provide a sense of context.

If you take one piece of pizza out of eight, then it is 12.5 per cent of the pizza. Likewise, 850 (the number of people who died of covid in a single day recently) divided by 27,000 is around 3 per cent.

But if that is the worst that covid can do, it is definitely not a severe pandemic.

In actual fact, this is not how it works: the average daily covid deaths over the course of the year are far fewer. When we add up India’s covid deaths from 2020, we get a total of around 150,000, which is less than six days worth of additional annual deaths, or 1.5 per cent in all. This then qualifies as random noise – being entirely insignificant.

Had covid been in a once-in-100-year event in the range of the Spanish flu, then well over three times normal annual deaths would have occurred last year, in the range of 20 million additional deaths. Compare 0.15 million with 20 million. That’s the level of exaggeration in the media and by international organisations. Someone has forgotten basic arithmetic.

Likewise, consider the media’s frenzy about covid cases. Does anyone in the media know that approximately one billion people get infected with the flu each year in the world, i.e. roughly one out of eight persons on this planet, which is around 4.6 lakhs people per day in India. If the media were to tell us this figure – i.e. the denominator – then the number of daily covid cases today would not sound high at all.

And so, no matter which way we look at this pandemic, it is – at worst – in the range of the Hong Kong flu: definitely not enough to prompt draconian CCP-style lockdowns that have been imposed once again in many parts of India. We have clearly lost our marbles as a nation.

But even if it was the Spanish flu, lockdowns would never have been justified. Society-wide lockdowns were never imposed in human history. Instead, lockdowns are purely the personal invention of President Xi Jinping of China. As I have shown in great detail in my November 2020 complaint to the International Criminal Court, lockdowns are unsuitable even for Ebola, let alone for a respiratory virus which is necessarily endemic and cannot possibly be eradicated.

There are many other issues that we need to keep in mind while considering covid. For instance, there are serious problems with the use of PCR tests as a stand-alone diagnostic tool, as well as many problems with its accuracy. Then there are issues with covid death counts. Suffice it to say that posterity will note that both covid cases and covid death counts across the world have been grossly exaggerated in 2020 and 2021.

In the end, I wish to reiterate our party’s firm opposition to lockdowns. We are seeing the continuation of irrationality and hysteria in India, of a sort that the data does not support. These draconian lockdowns and curfews are further harming the poor of India, who are now on their knees: at the end of their tether.

Let the Modi government regain some sanity before it weakens India even further.

covid is a problem in india, a small problem compared to their everyday problems.

Article a few weeks old. Latest rate is around 3800 per day. Even if it's a fraction of total deaths it puts a strain on everything else as well. But that is probably not the highest it can go.

[nervewrecker]

Oh yea, your dad would know him.

Anyone updated the man with the grey legacy?

Gunna inbox him now .

well yesterday. now seeing the time

Yep good friend.... Very shocking news got today..

[daring dragoon]

why is there no videos from anyone in couva or any parallel covid hospital or a post from anyone who home quarantine on FB or anywhere. last year had videos from ian to persons inside couva and this year nothing. is this a ploy to get free vaccine from WHO by fabricating the numbers?

Bro in the last 3-4 weeks my brother, mom and dad tested positive (well my mom didn't test but she did have minor symptoms).

I know of 4 people right now who are positive as well, 3 young so nothing serious yet. 1 is a former colleague's mother who is extremely worried as she is diabetic and close to 70.

I keep trying to tell people PNM has nothing to gain from making the numbers look this high.

It reflects poorly on literally every decision they've made and if anything the numbers are much worse.

Where did they get it from? What was their movements?
Did they follow the guidelines?

All got it from co-workers, all are covid paranoid people (who normally don't go out) one of whom still sanitizing she groceries.

The older woman (my friend's mom) most likely got it at puja she went too 2.5 weeks ago. She and several others from that puja have it now one of whom died over the weekend.

Indoor setting.

if dr richards is correct then the people positive above had to remove their mask at least one time at work and at the puja. no offence they were not very careful.
what about your shoes that you wear outside on the road, trini people spit everywhere, do we have to sanitize shoes as well?
my mask dont ever come off outside, i sanitize from elbow down, leave all clothes outside that i wore to go out the road and each an everytime i go out in public i bathe as i get home before i go inside.

[alfa]

I don't think we have the UK variant spreading. That was only detected in state quarantine so was contained.

The P1 variant is about twice as contagious. Meaning if the original strain spread to 2 ppl on average this one spreading to 4 ppl on average. Which means 1>4>16>64>256! Which would explain why we are at this stage.

But didn't only like 25 people so far test positive for the P1 strain?

[daring dragoon]

What's interesting to me is that right now, we have the 4th highest Rnaught in the world.

Rnaught is the reproduction rate represents the average number of new infections caused by a single infected individual. If the rate is greater than 1, the infection is able to spread in the population. If it is below 1, the number of cases occurring in the population will gradually decrease to zero.

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This means we are spreading covid to each other far more than most countries in the world. What's even more alarming is that throughout the pandemic the US or India never had a reproduction rate so high (though I'm sure localized to cities it was far higher than 1.5, e.g. NY).

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people still 'jackarse the scene' everyday. people still taking their children to the grocery, stll rushing the places that sell food, FFS people you could buy a tin of sausage and a kiss bread, tin of tuna, walk with bread and butter, macaroni and whatever, kiss have a bread and cheese selling,baked bean an boil some rice, it have tin lentil and channa and other beans, it have cornbeef and rice, chinese cup soup, hot dog and bread, it have plenty options so no need to jackarse the scene, smartmanism so built into us that we hadda pull smartman tricks on the virus and the lockdown.

[2WNBoost]

Hold this

[matr1x]

So it's not that bad.

[sMASH]

What's interesting to me is that right now, we have the 4th highest Rnaught in the world.

Rnaught is the reproduction rate represents the average number of new infections caused by a single infected individual. If the rate is greater than 1, the infection is able to spread in the population. If it is below 1, the number of cases occurring in the population will gradually decrease to zero.

Screenshot 2021-05-05 at 11.12.09 pm.png

This means we are spreading covid to each other far more than most countries in the world. What's even more alarming is that throughout the pandemic the US or India never had a reproduction rate so high (though I'm sure localized to cities it was far higher than 1.5, e.g. NY).

Screenshot 2021-05-05 at 11.14.00 pm.png

people still 'jackarse the scene' everyday. people still taking their children to the grocery, stll rushing the places that sell food, FFS people you could buy a tin of sausage and a kiss bread, tin of tuna, walk with bread and butter, macaroni and whatever, kiss have a bread and cheese selling,baked bean an boil some rice, it have tin lentil and channa and other beans, it have cornbeef and rice, chinese cup soup, hot dog and bread, it have plenty options so no need to jackarse the scene, smartmanism so built into us that we hadda pull smartman tricks on the virus and the lockdown.

they trace back any cases to the grocery spread?

[Kenjo]

So it's not that bad.

Volunteer and go help nah

[pugboy]

folks are getting carried away thinking that because they are wearing a mask they can carry on as normal and be in close proximity to other persons

wearing a mask is not a 100% safe guarantee, it is only intended to

1 - reduce aerosol spread of a person's exhaled breath(with any viral droplets) into the open air of surrounding persons
2 - reduce a person's sucking in another person's exhaled air due to less intake velocity
3 - filter viral particles, only with an n95 type mask

if you stay close enough and long enough to another person you will certain breath in their exhaled breath.

i have no doubt many persons have contracted covid wearing a mask
even when wearing a mask or around masked persons I keep my distance and try to avoid crossing paths of their exhalation
esp in places like grocery or general queues

[ST Auto]

Ppl don't even know how to wear a mask properly. Went in the gas station this morning. Every person that was in there had mask on their chin or their neck. No one enforcing the washing hands before entering. Ppl just doing what they want as normal

[randolphinshan]

I have had a contentious interaction with some tuners here , but I hope you all are ok.



Except randolphinshan and Habit7. Your pnm people doom us.

Fat Man you fat AND stupid too ? You should be the last one talking here. Overweight and unfit you don’t have the discipline or shame to look after your own health and appearance. Now come off Tuner little boy and go microwave that KFC you stockpiled and leave the Managemet of Covid to big men

[MaxPower]

Not wearing masks properly

Not wearing the correct masks

Not sanitizing properly

Not distancing properly

Businesses/establishments have no wash bins, no paper towels/hand dryers, no soap or ineffective soap/hand sanitizer, no temp gauges and no one reminding customers on the proper guidelines.

In the eyes of Trinis, they follow the instructions of “No Mask No Service” and “Please wash Hands” etc exactly like how they abide with “Do Not Litter”, “No Vending”, “Do not Urinate”, “Do not Drink/Drive” etc.

I understand everyone has their own perspectives on the Covid19 spread, but why can’t we simply do what is asked?

Why the ignorance?

And we want to know why all the cases.

[j.o.e]

Guys a mask is like a condom….. even worn properly there is some risk. Add that most people are not wearing properly or being lackadaisical about it around friends co-workers.
Mask wearing, social distance, hand sanitation all out together increase the success of each action.
Stay home unless you NEED to be out.
Those who keep saying there is no proof persons contracted from outdoors etc are assuming people even know where they contracted it from.

[aaron17]

Ole ppl mentality..i can confirm this.
They saying if they have to get it....they hadda get it. God choose that....

Smh

[2WNBoost]

And this
37 - 38 from the samples analysed

[ST Auto]

Just leaving this here

[sMASH]

ppl wearing masks the same way since mask law come out. spread remained relatively low month after month.
u had over a week of vigil with thousands of people gathering in public, no spread. numbers even reduced compared to the months before.

then ah man say go tobago, we get a new boat.

[nervewrecker]

Just leaving this here Screenshot_20210506-081401_Photos.jpeg

now got word his dad passed on as well.

[pugboy]

we reach the stage where everybody know somebody who get covid
and almost everybody know somebody who died

[matr1x]

I have had a contentious interaction with some tuners here , but I hope you all are ok.



Except randolphinshan and Habit7. Your pnm people doom us.

Fat Man you fat AND stupid too ? You should be the last one talking here. Overweight and unfit you don’t have the discipline or shame to look after your own health and appearance. Now come off Tuner little boy and go microwave that KFC you stockpiled and leave the Managemet of Covid to big men

Your pnm thief and thief and now want to cry about limited hospital capacity. Talking about fat, how your gyul Marlene going?

You mean utter mismanaged?

[nervewrecker]

What I posted above is all I can say. Can't say anymore.

Just know there is more.

[ST Auto]

sheit

Just leaving this here Screenshot_20210506-081401_Photos.jpeg

now got word his dad passed on as well.

[aaron17]

What I posted above is all I can say. Can't say anymore.

Just know there is more.

There is always more..

[aaron17]

Just leaving this here

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When the hospitals collapse...this will be more a normal thing...

[matr1x]

So it's not that bad.

Volunteer and go help nah

I am doing my part and getting food to less fortunate areas. That is what I can do

[nervewrecker]

So it's not that bad.

Volunteer and go help nah

I am doing my part and getting food to less fortunate areas. That is what I can do

market produce by chance? From which market? asking for a friend

[aaron17]

Media ppl should cover the wards and show the harsh reality of what going on ...and make it viral for the entire population to see. Everybody should share it .....And that could enforce at least something.

[ST Auto]

Everything is a joke in the country. No one is taking anything serious.

Media ppl should cover the wards and show the harsh reality of what going on ...and make it viral for the entire population to see. Everybody should share it .....And that could enforce at least something.