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So who won the pandemic debate?

Poll ended at August 3rd, 2023, 3:48 pm

Antivaxxers - Ah still alive! babylon cyah kill me!
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43%
Covidians - Small pin does chook hard but it save the world.
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Me eh care - Allyuh keep arguing nah man, ah wining on dis bumper right here.
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Total votes: 14

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 7:24 pm

If it falls in your garden plant it, your body your choice, I hope they try to implement that policy here let's see how they pick up the slack with less nurses and doctors
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Covid-19: France suspends 3,000 unvaccinated health workers


Is this protecting the Healthcare system , if we were to do this here in trinidad can you imagine the increased deaths due to less doctors and nurses. People on here bash the regular folk who not willing to vaccinate but these are professionals who blatantly refuse to vaccinate for whatever reason I guess we will call them small minded and judge them based on their personal choice as well.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who protects the healthcare system and the drain of public money from the unvaccinated?


who does that? again with your baseless attacks to drive ur own antivax and antichoice narrative.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 16th, 2021, 7:27 pm

CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

    [*}Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study released Tuesday.
    [*}The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.
    [*}The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk.[/list]
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-stu ... covid.html

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 7:28 pm

With this knowledge, what would make health professionals turn down or refuse vaccination
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

    [*}Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study released Tuesday.
    [*}The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.
    [*}The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk.[/list]
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-stu ... covid.html

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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 7:29 pm

hover11 wrote:With this knowledge, what would make health professionals turn down or refuse vaccination
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

    [*}Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study released Tuesday.
    [*}The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.
    [*}The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk.[/list]
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-stu ... covid.html


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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 7:32 pm

I asking a genuine question? If you can't answer you don't need to speak
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hover11 wrote:With this knowledge, what would make health professionals turn down or refuse vaccination
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

    [*}Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study released Tuesday.
    [*}The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.
    [*}The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk.[/list]
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-stu ... covid.html


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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 7:36 pm

hover11 wrote:I asking a genuine question? If you can't answer you don't need to speak
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:With this knowledge, what would make health professionals turn down or refuse vaccination
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

    [*}Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study released Tuesday.
    [*}The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.
    [*}The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk.[/list]
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-stu ... covid.html


you tell us -- you have all the answers


u are? it's hard to tell because whenever we answer, you never accept the answers because it's not the things u want to hear.

much like when those ladies tell you 'no'.

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Postby adnj » September 16th, 2021, 7:38 pm

hover11 wrote:I confused, are US hospitals supposed to be making a profit or saving lives? Last time i checked they are non profit and people are covered by insurance so whats the problem, an unvaxxed has the same rights to a hospital bed as anyone else in need
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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who protects the healthcare system and the drain of public money from the unvaccinated?
COVID-19 hospital stays cost 3 times more than a stay for heart attack

September 9, 2021 — 

The estimated average cost of a hospital stay for COVID-19 is more than $23,000. This includes both intensive care unit (ICU) and non-ICU admissions. New data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) shows that a COVID-19 hospital stay costs about 3 times more than for heart attack ($7,000) or pneumonia ($8,000), 4 times more than the cost of a stay for influenza (approximately $5,000) and almost as much as a kidney transplant ($27,000). 

People who have COVID-19 remain in the hospital about twice as long as the average pneumonia patient (15 days and 7 days, respectively), and a larger proportion of them are admitted to the ICU and ventilated.

Estimated costs for COVID-19 hospital stays 

The estimated total cost of COVID-19 hospital stays in Canada (excluding Quebec) was almost $1 billion in 2020–2021, tripling between November 2020 and March 2021.

A COVID-19–related hospitalization with ICU admission is estimated to cost over $50,000 — more than 3 times the cost of a stay without ICU admission ($15,000). By comparison, the average cost of an ICU admission for pneumonia is $22,000 and for heart attack is $8,400. 

https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospita ... art-attack


Canada - not the USA - they have a public health care system.

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 7:40 pm

Canada has always been expensive, it's just a big welfare state, you get money for basically anything up there , they accustom to high taxes lol
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hover11 wrote:I confused, are US hospitals supposed to be making a profit or saving lives? Last time i checked they are non profit and people are covered by insurance so whats the problem, an unvaxxed has the same rights to a hospital bed as anyone else in need
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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who protects the healthcare system and the drain of public money from the unvaccinated?
COVID-19 hospital stays cost 3 times more than a stay for heart attack

September 9, 2021 — 

The estimated average cost of a hospital stay for COVID-19 is more than $23,000. This includes both intensive care unit (ICU) and non-ICU admissions. New data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) shows that a COVID-19 hospital stay costs about 3 times more than for heart attack ($7,000) or pneumonia ($8,000), 4 times more than the cost of a stay for influenza (approximately $5,000) and almost as much as a kidney transplant ($27,000). 

People who have COVID-19 remain in the hospital about twice as long as the average pneumonia patient (15 days and 7 days, respectively), and a larger proportion of them are admitted to the ICU and ventilated.

Estimated costs for COVID-19 hospital stays 

The estimated total cost of COVID-19 hospital stays in Canada (excluding Quebec) was almost $1 billion in 2020–2021, tripling between November 2020 and March 2021.

A COVID-19–related hospitalization with ICU admission is estimated to cost over $50,000 — more than 3 times the cost of a stay without ICU admission ($15,000). By comparison, the average cost of an ICU admission for pneumonia is $22,000 and for heart attack is $8,400. 

https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospita ... art-attack


Canada - not the USA - they have a public health care system.

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Postby adnj » September 16th, 2021, 7:48 pm

hover11 wrote:Canada has always been expensive, it's just a big welfare state, you get money for basically anything up there , they accustom to high taxes lol
adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:I confused, are US hospitals supposed to be making a profit or saving lives? Last time i checked they are non profit and people are covered by insurance so whats the problem, an unvaxxed has the same rights to a hospital bed as anyone else in need
adnj wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who protects the healthcare system and the drain of public money from the unvaccinated?
COVID-19 hospital stays cost 3 times more than a stay for heart attack

September 9, 2021 — 

The estimated average cost of a hospital stay for COVID-19 is more than $23,000. This includes both intensive care unit (ICU) and non-ICU admissions. New data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) shows that a COVID-19 hospital stay costs about 3 times more than for heart attack ($7,000) or pneumonia ($8,000), 4 times more than the cost of a stay for influenza (approximately $5,000) and almost as much as a kidney transplant ($27,000). 

People who have COVID-19 remain in the hospital about twice as long as the average pneumonia patient (15 days and 7 days, respectively), and a larger proportion of them are admitted to the ICU and ventilated.

Estimated costs for COVID-19 hospital stays 

The estimated total cost of COVID-19 hospital stays in Canada (excluding Quebec) was almost $1 billion in 2020–2021, tripling between November 2020 and March 2021.

A COVID-19–related hospitalization with ICU admission is estimated to cost over $50,000 — more than 3 times the cost of a stay without ICU admission ($15,000). By comparison, the average cost of an ICU admission for pneumonia is $22,000 and for heart attack is $8,400. 

https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospita ... art-attack


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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 7:50 pm

Na trinidadians have no belly for that....Gas rose multiple times with no riots, we will be fine
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hover11 wrote:Canada has always been expensive, it's just a big welfare state, you get money for basically anything up there , they accustom to high taxes lol
adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:I confused, are US hospitals supposed to be making a profit or saving lives? Last time i checked they are non profit and people are covered by insurance so whats the problem, an unvaxxed has the same rights to a hospital bed as anyone else in need
adnj wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who protects the healthcare system and the drain of public money from the unvaccinated?
COVID-19 hospital stays cost 3 times more than a stay for heart attack

September 9, 2021 — 

The estimated average cost of a hospital stay for COVID-19 is more than $23,000. This includes both intensive care unit (ICU) and non-ICU admissions. New data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) shows that a COVID-19 hospital stay costs about 3 times more than for heart attack ($7,000) or pneumonia ($8,000), 4 times more than the cost of a stay for influenza (approximately $5,000) and almost as much as a kidney transplant ($27,000). 

People who have COVID-19 remain in the hospital about twice as long as the average pneumonia patient (15 days and 7 days, respectively), and a larger proportion of them are admitted to the ICU and ventilated.

Estimated costs for COVID-19 hospital stays 

The estimated total cost of COVID-19 hospital stays in Canada (excluding Quebec) was almost $1 billion in 2020–2021, tripling between November 2020 and March 2021.

A COVID-19–related hospitalization with ICU admission is estimated to cost over $50,000 — more than 3 times the cost of a stay without ICU admission ($15,000). By comparison, the average cost of an ICU admission for pneumonia is $22,000 and for heart attack is $8,400. 

https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospita ... art-attack


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Postby Mmoney607 » September 16th, 2021, 7:50 pm

Well by some of the logic on here, unhealthy people should may more taxes as they would use up more resources of the health care system.

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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 7:51 pm

well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 7:57 pm

Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh

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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 7:58 pm

hover11 wrote:Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh



then why are you complaining? oh that's right, u want everyone to do the work to benefit you --- you really work for govt.

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 8:00 pm

That's right work smart, not hard
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hover11 wrote:Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh



then why are you complaining? oh that's right, u want everyone to do the work to benefit you --- you really work for govt.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 16th, 2021, 8:02 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:Well by some of the logic on here, unhealthy people should may more taxes as they would use up more resources of the health care system.

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who protects the healthcare system and the drain of public money from the unvaccinated?


People without comorbidities

Comorbidity refers to the presence of more than one diagnosis occurring in an individual at the same time.
It could be asthma, allergies, age, pregnancy, sickle cell etc.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... tions.html
None of those are lifestyle diseases.

Perfectly healthy people, even athletes can be hospitalized from their body's reaction to Covid-19.
Different people react differently to viruses.
Most times it's your immune system's over-reaction to the virus that proves deadly - it's called a cytokine storm
https://www.newscientist.com/definition/cytokine-storm/

There are negative effects of long-covid even on athletes
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/3/3/2 ... -asia-durr

Vaccination is shown to greatly reduce that risk as your body's immune system was already trained to handle the coronavirus.

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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 8:03 pm

hover11 wrote:That's right work smart, not hard
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh



then why are you complaining? oh that's right, u want everyone to do the work to benefit you --- you really work for govt.


well thats good. now work on being a better person towards women. i know i call you out and ketch u offguard but when a girl says 'no' ... respect her choice. thanks

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 8:06 pm

Not everyone shares your tendencies and that is not normal, please seek medical professional help
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hover11 wrote:That's right work smart, not hard
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh



then why are you complaining? oh that's right, u want everyone to do the work to benefit you --- you really work for govt.


well thats good. now work on being a better person towards women. i know i call you out and ketch u offguard but when a girl says 'no' ... respect her choice. thanks

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Postby Mmoney607 » September 16th, 2021, 8:09 pm

hover11 wrote:That's right work smart, not hard
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh



then why are you complaining? oh that's right, u want everyone to do the work to benefit you --- you really work for govt.


Yup

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Postby adnj » September 16th, 2021, 8:11 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:That's right work smart, not hard
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh



then why are you complaining? oh that's right, u want everyone to do the work to benefit you --- you really work for govt.


Yup



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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 8:12 pm

adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:That's right work smart, not hard
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:Why must I riot and risk myself for the benefit of everyone and everyone not seeking their interests but I must seek the country's interest no thanks. If we were serious about good governance the people would be vocal and demonstrative, guess that's why it's easy for them to treat us like children and they are parents. Anyway back to covid
st7 wrote:well why dont u riot?

just another keyboard warrior eh



then why are you complaining? oh that's right, u want everyone to do the work to benefit you --- you really work for govt.
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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 8:13 pm

the govt worker mentality --- sufferers oui... contribute nothing, but want everything.

small minds again

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st7 wrote:the govt worker mentality --- sufferers oui... contribute nothing, but want everything.

small minds again
Hard times coming for the bureaucrats.

Imbert: Over $5b spent on covid

https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/16/imbert ... -on-covid/

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 8:18 pm

Yup all government workers are sufferers....just collecting pay with less work .You got us
st7 wrote:the govt worker mentality --- sufferers oui... contribute nothing, but want everything.

small minds again

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Postby hover11 » September 16th, 2021, 8:19 pm

With nothing to show
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st7 wrote:the govt worker mentality --- sufferers oui... contribute nothing, but want everything.

small minds again
Hard times coming for the bureaucrats.

Imbert: Over $5b spent on covid

https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/16/imbert ... -on-covid/

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Postby st7 » September 16th, 2021, 8:20 pm

hover11 wrote:Yup all government workers are sufferers....just collecting pay with less work .You got us
st7 wrote:the govt worker mentality --- sufferers oui... contribute nothing, but want everything.

small minds again


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Postby bluefete » September 16th, 2021, 8:43 pm

Hover: This one is for you!


Fully vaccinated woman's family blames unvaccinated Americans for her death in scathing obituary: 'She was infected by other who chose not to be. The cost was her life'


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Candace Ayers, 66, died from COVID-19 at HSHS St Johns Hospital in Springfield, Illinois despite being fully vaccinated

The family of a fully vaccinated Illinois woman who died from COVID-19 has blamed the millions of unvaccinated Americans for her death.

Candace Ayers, 66, of Springfield, was vaccinated with the Moderna shot in March along with her husband Terry before being infected with the virus. She died six months later, on September 3 at HSHS St. John’s Hospital.

Her family published an obituary which stated: 'She was preceded in death by more than 4,531,799 others infected with Covid-19.

'She was vaccinated but was infected by others who chose not to be. The cost was her life.'

Her son Marc believes that his mother contracted the virus in July after she and his father went to visit a friend, whose husband died of COVID-19, in Mississippi, where the vaccination rate is only 42%, according to the state's health website.

It is incredibly rare for fully vaccinated Americans to contract a severe breakthrough case of COVID-19 and to die from the disease - and those who have had the shot have less than one in 13,000 chance of a severe breakthrough infection, according to a DailyMail.com analysis of data from the CDC.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tuary.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/15/us/i ... index.html
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Postby DMan7 » September 16th, 2021, 8:45 pm

Looks like our boi hoover has blood on his hands this time.

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Postby bluefete » September 16th, 2021, 8:46 pm

DMan7 wrote:Looks like our boi hoover has blood on his hands this time.


Yuh know he will flip the script.

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