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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby zoom rader » April 11th, 2022, 2:24 pm

adnj wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:Academic success is more about culture than anything else.

Ask people who came from poor backgrounds who ended up doing well how long it took before they learned that acrylic manicures and hair bundles existed.

Now compare that to people from poor backgrounds who only want to lime and study the next trend on tv or social media.


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alfa wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.
More dumbass grown man posts.

Poverty is the main driver for academic deficiency. Apparently, you never studied why it is true and therefore you will never post one thing about it that makes any fukking sense at all.

Poverty directly affects academic achievement due to the lack of resources available for student success. Low achievement is closely correlated with lack of resources, and numerous studies have documented the correlation between low socioeconomic status and low achievement.

https://academicjournals.org/article/article1379765941
Hmm

So all these illiterate injuns that came here according to British wording sent there offsprings to school.

No wonder why we have no injun doctors, lawyers and engineers. I guess they were too poor to send their offsprings to school.

Continue

I'm surprised he didn't say racism is the cause of academic failure. Liberal logic is a hell of a thing. He also never heard about children studying by candle light and achieving success or some of the old Indian doctors in south like the Telluckdary's who had to walk to school hungry or Dr Mootoo who washed dishes while studying abroad. At the same time he never heard of parents having the money for every boat ride and wet fete but their kids are still academic failures. But it's easier to blame race and poverty rather than address cultures that promote slackness or single parent homes
I guess he taught all injuns came here rich rather than cane cutters.

He probably never heard of Noor Hassanail attending school barefeet at the Canadian mission school

He likes to quote mis guilded articles that have an agenda.
You three are providing anecdotes, not evidence.

Three fukkups posting the same thing over and over.
Your article is not Cartered to a trini injun society and holds no water where culture plays a large part when it comes to education.

All round the world Asian immigrant( Chinese, indian, Korean ect) offsprings do better in schools that white kids. There are countless articles written on this.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby alfa » April 11th, 2022, 2:36 pm

People like adjn give lawyers and criminals an excuse for every kind of deviant behavior by always quoting his fancy university articles none of which apply to Trini life and culture

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby ProtonPowder » April 11th, 2022, 5:09 pm

adnj wrote:You three are providing anecdotes, not evidence.

Three fukkups posting the same thing over and over.

Who cares? Go find a local study on it then. The academic wasteland of UWI humanities faculty wont have anything publicly available.

All studies showing low standardised test performance is correlative with low funding wherever it is studied. But never a causative relationship, just positing hypotheses. Add that to parents who just want someone to blame for their kids' failures. But, ask those parents. What was the last thing they read with or to their kids? When was the last time they sat with their kids and tried to figure out the homework together?

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby hover11 » April 11th, 2022, 5:34 pm

Imagine teaching your child that you can get an award, even when you don’t deserve it, because we have money to file a lawsuit :S

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

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JUST IN: Minister of Education, Dr. Nyan Gadsby-Dolly has tested positive for COVID-19.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby De Dragon » April 11th, 2022, 6:54 pm

hover11 wrote:Imagine teaching your child that you can get an award, even when you don’t deserve it, because we have money to file a lawsuit :S

Imagine using preliminary results to first confirm a placing, then suddenly wanting to use final results after. Imagine the child's embarrassment, at having to endure that for other people's publicity seeking and incompetence.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby MDtuner70 » April 11th, 2022, 7:27 pm

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.
More dumbass grown man posts.

Poverty is the main driver for academic deficiency. Apparently, you never studied why it is true and therefore you will never post one thing about it that makes any fukking sense at all.

Poverty directly affects academic achievement due to the lack of resources available for student success. Low achievement is closely correlated with lack of resources, and numerous studies have documented the correlation between low socioeconomic status and low achievement.

https://academicjournals.org/article/article1379765941



Rubbish alert.

Read what you wrote carefully then read the article again and then make the connection to the the poor and under developed areas of Trinidad. Then take the last 10 years of SEA results and see where the top performers came from.

Family support, dedication from parents and a disciplined mindset mixed with hard work is the foundation. What you just did there was make an excuse.

With all the millions the 1% and upper class have, some of them still cannot pass for their sea choices or even get good grades in cxc without mummy and daddy links, big money for extra lessons etc. And if you even more dunce ie not to get through secondary schooling, there is always international and maple leaf to basically spoon feed you education and guarantee a spot in a US or Canadian school.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby ProtonPowder » April 11th, 2022, 7:41 pm

Most that went to primary schools in trinidad know the academic argument of resources=results=rubbish.

In grant school in sando, we had nothing. You needed to purchase every bit of stationery yourself, nearly every textbook had to be purchased yourself because the government provided ones, if not brand new, were short in supply because people didnt return them.

Time for term test? Tell mommy and daddy to give you $8 for photocopies for test papers for end of term because the school didnt pay for it.
Field trips? Funded entirely out of pocket and were few and far between.
Every 5 minutes was a new buy-a-brick fundraiser or walkathon fundraiser, especially at the turn of the millenium.
Yet grant school produced 10 in the top 100 as well as #1 in 2004, about 8-9 in 2005, and 6 or 8 in 2006.

Is all about culture, not resources.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby adnj » April 12th, 2022, 8:31 am

ProtonPowder wrote:Most that went to primary schools in trinidad know the academic argument of resources=results=rubbish.

In grant school in sando, we had nothing. You needed to purchase every bit of stationery yourself, nearly every textbook had to be purchased yourself because the government provided ones, if not brand new, were short in supply because people didnt return them.

Time for term test? Tell mommy and daddy to give you $8 for photocopies for test papers for end of term because the school didnt pay for it.
Field trips? Funded entirely out of pocket and were few and far between.
Every 5 minutes was a new buy-a-brick fundraiser or walkathon fundraiser, especially at the turn of the millenium.
Yet grant school produced 10 in the top 100 as well as #1 in 2004, about 8-9 in 2005, and 6 or 8 in 2006.

Is all about culture, not resources.
No, it is not. Poor parents sentence their own children to a life of being less wealthy.

Wealthy parents provide a glass floor that prevents their children's failures.

Strong and wrong believing that culture is everything. There are lots of really smart street food vendors.

Poor children 7 times less likely to finish school than rich children: new Oxfam report

Published: 17th September 2019

Across the developing world, a child from a poor family is seven times less likely to finish secondary school than a child from a rich family, according to a new report published by Oxfam today.

Oxfam’s research reveals a shocking divide in education opportunities for children depending on their family’s income and wealth —even in rich countries, only three quarters of children from poor families complete secondary education, compared to 90 percent of children from the richest families.

The report, ‘The Power of Education to Fight Inequality’, also shows a clear correlation between underinvestment in free public education and the number of children out of school. For example, with 24 million children out of school, Pakistan has some of the lowest education spending and worst educational inequalities in the world.

Kira Boe, education policy lead at Oxfam, said:

“Governments are jeopardizing the future of children across the globe by failing to invest in free quality public education. Every child should have a fair chance to realize their potential, not just those whose parents can afford to pay.”  

Girls and boys born into poverty arrive at the school gates already disadvantaged as they often suffer from ill health and chronic malnutrition, which stunts their development and impacts on their ability to concentrate at school. Public spending on education tends to be focused in wealthier communities which means schools in poor areas are often overcrowded, lack qualified teachers, and basic resources such as schoolbooks and toilets. For example, in Malawi, Burkina Faso, Madagascar, Lesotho and Senegal, the richest 10 percent get more than half of government-allocated education resources. UNESCO estimates that 330 million children are in school but still not even learning basic skills. 

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases ... fam-report

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby X_Factor » April 12th, 2022, 9:12 am

ProtonPowder wrote:Academic success is more about culture than anything else.

Ask people who came from poor backgrounds who ended up doing well how long it took before they learned that acrylic manicures and hair bundles existed.

Now compare that to people from poor backgrounds who only want to lime and study the next trend on tv or social media.
Academic success is not entirely dependent on one aspect
Guaranteed academic success depends on a mixture of

Access to resources ( money )
Culture ( parents time / mindset)
Child's mindset which can come from culture but not guaranteed at that age

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby zoom rader » April 12th, 2022, 9:13 am

adnj wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:Most that went to primary schools in trinidad know the academic argument of resources=results=rubbish.

In grant school in sando, we had nothing. You needed to purchase every bit of stationery yourself, nearly every textbook had to be purchased yourself because the government provided ones, if not brand new, were short in supply because people didnt return them.

Time for term test? Tell mommy and daddy to give you $8 for photocopies for test papers for end of term because the school didnt pay for it.
Field trips? Funded entirely out of pocket and were few and far between.
Every 5 minutes was a new buy-a-brick fundraiser or walkathon fundraiser, especially at the turn of the millenium.
Yet grant school produced 10 in the top 100 as well as #1 in 2004, about 8-9 in 2005, and 6 or 8 in 2006.

Is all about culture, not resources.
No, it is not. Poor parents sentence their own children to a life of being less wealthy.

Wealthy parents provide a glass floor that prevents their children's failures.

Strong and wrong believing that culture is everything. There are lots of really smart street food vendors.

Poor children 7 times less likely to finish school than rich children: new Oxfam report

Published: 17th September 2019

Across the developing world, a child from a poor family is seven times less likely to finish secondary school than a child from a rich family, according to a new report published by Oxfam today.

Oxfam’s research reveals a shocking divide in education opportunities for children depending on their family’s income and wealth —even in rich countries, only three quarters of children from poor families complete secondary education, compared to 90 percent of children from the richest families.

The report, ‘The Power of Education to Fight Inequality’, also shows a clear correlation between underinvestment in free public education and the number of children out of school. For example, with 24 million children out of school, Pakistan has some of the lowest education spending and worst educational inequalities in the world.

Kira Boe, education policy lead at Oxfam, said:

“Governments are jeopardizing the future of children across the globe by failing to invest in free quality public education. Every child should have a fair chance to realize their potential, not just those whose parents can afford to pay.”  

Girls and boys born into poverty arrive at the school gates already disadvantaged as they often suffer from ill health and chronic malnutrition, which stunts their development and impacts on their ability to concentrate at school. Public spending on education tends to be focused in wealthier communities which means schools in poor areas are often overcrowded, lack qualified teachers, and basic resources such as schoolbooks and toilets. For example, in Malawi, Burkina Faso, Madagascar, Lesotho and Senegal, the richest 10 percent get more than half of government-allocated education resources. UNESCO estimates that 330 million children are in school but still not even learning basic skills. 

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases ... fam-report
Jack arse that report is not for Trini folk.

That report does not show the education cultural values instilled by Asian immigrants offsprings and to some parts African immigrants offspring who do also excel.

Oxfam has their own agenda in writing bogus reports for financial gain. They are scam

You becoming more of a Tun Tun than eliteauto
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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby matix » April 12th, 2022, 9:16 am

We’re speaking about Trinidad & Tobago yet we’re given statistics not relevant to here.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby alfa » April 12th, 2022, 10:09 am

Oxfam ever did any research on Trinidad? But we quoting their stats to sound bright. What do they even classify and rich and poor? If you're living in a jungle and have to walk miles to get to a mud hut school obviously you may not stay but in case you don't know Trinidad has free access to education to all. Culture is what makes a parent tell a child is best you drop out and plant garden or run white women on the beach in Tobago all day, not poverty.Do you own research on Trinidad or stop quoting the irrelevant
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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby zoom rader » April 12th, 2022, 10:10 am

matix wrote:We’re speaking about Trinidad & Tobago yet we’re given statistics not relevant to here.
The idiot pulls up an oxfam report.

Oxfam was is scam where donations are concerned. They write articles to favor them. They where expose a few years ago.


Look here

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... e_btn_link

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby ProtonPowder » April 12th, 2022, 10:34 am

Man really linking oxfam studies talking about countries that dont have free public primary education and comparing it to here.

That wouldve probably compared to here in the 60s, not now.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby adnj » April 12th, 2022, 10:50 am

zoom rader wrote:
matix wrote:We’re speaking about Trinidad & Tobago yet we’re given statistics not relevant to here.
The idiot pulls up an oxfam report.

Oxfam was is scam where donations are concerned. They write articles to favor them. They where expose a few years ago.


Look here

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... e_btn_link

I'm giving facts. You're talking small island stupidshit.

UNESCO, The Organization for Poverty Alleviation and Development, Concern Worldwide, End Poverty Now, The Global Citizen, World Relief, Care International, Institute for Research on Poverty, Innovations for Poverty Action, and Muslim Hands have all published similar research.

Family values support academic achievement? Yep. And a group of brokeass families living next to a group wealthy families will have the same academic success. Nope.

You keep on believing that being a 99th percentile Trinidad CXC student is going to be better educated than anybody's kid that finishes St. Anthony's or Hampden Gurney in the UK.
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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby zoom rader » April 12th, 2022, 10:55 am

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
matix wrote:We’re speaking about Trinidad & Tobago yet we’re given statistics not relevant to here.
The idiot pulls up an oxfam report.

Oxfam was is scam where donations are concerned. They write articles to favor them. They where expose a few years ago.


Look here

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... e_btn_link

I'm giving facts. You're talking small island stupidshit.

UNESCO, The Organization for Poverty Alleviation and Development, Concern Worldwide, End Poverty Now, The Global Citizen, World Relief, Care International, Institute for Research on Poverty, Innovations for Poverty Action, and Muslim Hands have all published similar research.

Family values support academic achievement? Yep. And a group of brokeass families living next to a group wealthy families will have the same academic success. Nope.

You keep on believing that being a 99th percentile Trinidad SEA student is going to be better educated than anybody's kid that finishes St. Anthony's or Hampden Gurney in the UK.
Don't be fooled UK primary education standards is below parr when compared with Trini standards.

Your facts are not centered around Trinidad where it is a cultural for injun kids to excel in education.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby zoom rader » April 12th, 2022, 11:12 am

Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby Redress10 » April 12th, 2022, 11:54 am

zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
matix wrote:We’re speaking about Trinidad & Tobago yet we’re given statistics not relevant to here.
The idiot pulls up an oxfam report.

Oxfam was is scam where donations are concerned. They write articles to favor them. They where expose a few years ago.


Look here

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... e_btn_link

I'm giving facts. You're talking small island stupidshit.

UNESCO, The Organization for Poverty Alleviation and Development, Concern Worldwide, End Poverty Now, The Global Citizen, World Relief, Care International, Institute for Research on Poverty, Innovations for Poverty Action, and Muslim Hands have all published similar research.

Family values support academic achievement? Yep. And a group of brokeass families living next to a group wealthy families will have the same academic success. Nope.

You keep on believing that being a 99th percentile Trinidad SEA student is going to be better educated than anybody's kid that finishes St. Anthony's or Hampden Gurney in the UK.
Don't be fooled UK primary education standards is below parr when compared with Trini standards.

Your facts are not centered around Trinidad where it is a cultural for injun kids to excel in education.


Nah ya by yaself there if you think any level of education in the UK is even comparable to Trinidad here.

It isn't cultural for injun kids to excel. It is based on availability and access to resources etc. If gov't didn't place resources into education in country then education wouldn't be accessed by parties. Also the social system gives ppl the ability to rely on govt for grants etc so their children also don't need to work and have a choice to pursue education all up to the tertiary level. That is just not a possibility in some countries. If it was a cultural thing then India wouldn't be another third world sh*thole.

Alot of our cultural deficiencies stem from a culture of gimme gimme. Ppl rather sit down and wait for govt handout instead of getting up and get. The reality is that when you get up and get you actually get more than waiting on the gov't. Alot of ppl also don't understand the amt of agency they have in their lives so they allow gov't full control.

Compare two set of parents. One who leaves their children education solely up to the gov't and teachers and one who takes the initiative to guide the direction of their children's future. Add to that one who guides their children's career choices and one who lets them "study what they want" as long as they "happy and do well" and the public sector go take care of them. The one with more control will always do better.

Alot of blacks simply place too much faith and control on the centralised decision making of government for jobs, economy, food provision etc. That lack of agency and self determination is the main cause of regression.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby Redress10 » April 12th, 2022, 11:58 am

zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)



Stop using UK indians as a statistic. Most of those indians come from middle class families whose parents are professionals, merchants etc. Ppl whose parents are already doing well will always fair better. Go look at the stats in rural india and the slums in India if you trying to prove a point.

Look at the places where indentured labourers came from and see how they compare to those in TT and the West. The systems provided for success in the west are more than generous and may not have been available to those people back in India. That opportunity plays a role in the success.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby alfa » April 12th, 2022, 12:10 pm

Redress10 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
matix wrote:We’re speaking about Trinidad & Tobago yet we’re given statistics not relevant to here.
The idiot pulls up an oxfam report.

Oxfam was is scam where donations are concerned. They write articles to favor them. They where expose a few years ago.


Look here

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... e_btn_link

I'm giving facts. You're talking small island stupidshit.

UNESCO, The Organization for Poverty Alleviation and Development, Concern Worldwide, End Poverty Now, The Global Citizen, World Relief, Care International, Institute for Research on Poverty, Innovations for Poverty Action, and Muslim Hands have all published similar research.

Family values support academic achievement? Yep. And a group of brokeass families living next to a group wealthy families will have the same academic success. Nope.

You keep on believing that being a 99th percentile Trinidad SEA student is going to be better educated than anybody's kid that finishes St. Anthony's or Hampden Gurney in the UK.
Don't be fooled UK primary education standards is below parr when compared with Trini standards.

Your facts are not centered around Trinidad where it is a cultural for injun kids to excel in education.


Nah ya by yaself there if you think any level of education in the UK is even comparable to Trinidad here.

It isn't cultural for injun kids to excel. It is based on availability and access to resources etc. If gov't didn't place resources into education in country then education wouldn't be accessed by parties. Also the social system gives ppl the ability to rely on govt for grants etc so their children also don't need to work and have a choice to pursue education all up to the tertiary level. That is just not a possibility in some countries. If it was a cultural thing then India wouldn't be another third world sh*thole.

Alot of our cultural deficiencies stem from a culture of gimme gimme. Ppl rather sit down and wait for govt handout instead of getting up and get. The reality is that when you get up and get you actually get more than waiting on the gov't. Alot of ppl also don't understand the amt of agency they have in their lives so they allow gov't full control.

Compare two set of parents. One who leaves their children education solely up to the gov't and teachers and one who takes the initiative to guide the direction of their children's future. Add to that one who guides their children's career choices and one who lets them "study what they want" as long as they "happy and do well" and the public sector go take care of them. The one with more control will always do better.

Alot of blacks simply place too much faith and control on the centralised decision making of government for jobs, economy, food provision etc. That lack of agency and self determination is the main cause of regression.



This is the same thing we're saying all along when we say culture. Culture isn't chutney and soca but rather a mindset so in reality culture is the main driving factor for success

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby adnj » April 12th, 2022, 12:33 pm

zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)
Let's revisit your original and typically stupdfukking post:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.


India has a literacy rate of 74%, Pakistan 54%.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too fukkingdense to see it. But I will give you one mark for consistently being too stubborn to admit it.

The relationship between literacy and poverty

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand. Education is often less available in poverty-stricken areas. Moreover, even when education is available, a struggling family might need their children to work and earn money instead of going to school. Most of the countries with the lowest literacy are located in South Asia, West Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa—regions which also include most of the poorest countries in the world.

There is also a gender gap in literacy: Of the roughly 781 million adults worldwide who cannot read or write, nearly two-thirds are female. This disparity is particularly noticeable in less-developed countries, in which women are often expected to stay at home and care for the house and children while the men go off to work. The developed nations of the world have much higher literacy rates with smaller gaps—if any—between the genders.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby alfa » April 12th, 2022, 1:23 pm

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)
Let's revisit your original and typically stupdfukking post:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.


India has a literacy rate of 74%, Pakistan 54%.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too fukkingdense to see it. But I will give you one mark for consistently being too stubborn to admit it.

The relationship between literacy and poverty

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand. Education is often less available in poverty-stricken areas. Moreover, even when education is available, a struggling family might need their children to work and earn money instead of going to school. Most of the countries with the lowest literacy are located in South Asia, West Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa—regions which also include most of the poorest countries in the world.

There is also a gender gap in literacy: Of the roughly 781 million adults worldwide who cannot read or write, nearly two-thirds are female. This disparity is particularly noticeable in less-developed countries, in which women are often expected to stay at home and care for the house and children while the men go off to work. The developed nations of the world have much higher literacy rates with smaller gaps—if any—between the genders.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

You do know it's strictly Trinidad were taking about right? Nobody cares about what happens in India and Africa. And yeah if you have to worry about where your next meal comes from them education isn't going to bea huge priority so you'd be right in that sense regarding poverty. However it's irrelevant to Trinidad society, are you even from here, serious question?

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby adnj » April 12th, 2022, 1:38 pm

alfa wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)
Let's revisit your original and typically stupdfukking post:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.


India has a literacy rate of 74%, Pakistan 54%.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too fukkingdense to see it. But I will give you one mark for consistently being too stubborn to admit it.

The relationship between literacy and poverty

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand. Education is often less available in poverty-stricken areas. Moreover, even when education is available, a struggling family might need their children to work and earn money instead of going to school. Most of the countries with the lowest literacy are located in South Asia, West Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa—regions which also include most of the poorest countries in the world.

There is also a gender gap in literacy: Of the roughly 781 million adults worldwide who cannot read or write, nearly two-thirds are female. This disparity is particularly noticeable in less-developed countries, in which women are often expected to stay at home and care for the house and children while the men go off to work. The developed nations of the world have much higher literacy rates with smaller gaps—if any—between the genders.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

You do know it's strictly Trinidad were taking about right? Nobody cares about what happens in India and Africa. And yeah if you have to worry about where your next meal comes from them education isn't going to bea huge priority so you'd be right in that sense regarding poverty. However it's irrelevant to Trinidad society, are you even from here, serious question?
He didn't say "just Trinidad." And it's still bullshitt.

There are more illiterates in India and Pakistan than THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE EU.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby alfa » April 12th, 2022, 1:57 pm

adnj wrote:
alfa wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)
Let's revisit your original and typically stupdfukking post:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.


India has a literacy rate of 74%, Pakistan 54%.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too fukkingdense to see it. But I will give you one mark for consistently being too stubborn to admit it.

The relationship between literacy and poverty

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand. Education is often less available in poverty-stricken areas. Moreover, even when education is available, a struggling family might need their children to work and earn money instead of going to school. Most of the countries with the lowest literacy are located in South Asia, West Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa—regions which also include most of the poorest countries in the world.

There is also a gender gap in literacy: Of the roughly 781 million adults worldwide who cannot read or write, nearly two-thirds are female. This disparity is particularly noticeable in less-developed countries, in which women are often expected to stay at home and care for the house and children while the men go off to work. The developed nations of the world have much higher literacy rates with smaller gaps—if any—between the genders.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

You do know it's strictly Trinidad were taking about right? Nobody cares about what happens in India and Africa. And yeah if you have to worry about where your next meal comes from them education isn't going to bea huge priority so you'd be right in that sense regarding poverty. However it's irrelevant to Trinidad society, are you even from here, serious question?
He didn't say "just Trinidad." And it's still bullshitt.

There are more illiterates in India and Pakistan than THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE EU.

I see common sense is not your virtue while you seem to be gifted in academics. All I'm saying is that in Trinidad specifically and in countries that aren't considered chit holes culture is what determines academic success. Your most likely right about India and Pakistan due to extreme poverty but I couldn't care less about those places. Name one area in Trinidad where the majority of the school age population are forced to not go to school or have to fight in a war at age 12 and thus never learned to read? Your sources are irrelevant to the topic at hand yet you obstinately keep mentioning Africa and India. Quote one scholarly article about Trinidad and I'll be inclined to think differently. I'll leave that there

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby ProtonPowder » April 12th, 2022, 1:58 pm

Boss man dont know the difference between survival and socioeconomic mobility.

Damn.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby zoom rader » April 12th, 2022, 2:44 pm

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)
Let's revisit your original and typically stupdfukking post:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.


India has a literacy rate of 74%, Pakistan 54%.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too fukkingdense to see it. But I will give you one mark for consistently being too stubborn to admit it.

The relationship between literacy and poverty

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand. Education is often less available in poverty-stricken areas. Moreover, even when education is available, a struggling family might need their children to work and earn money instead of going to school. Most of the countries with the lowest literacy are located in South Asia, West Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa—regions which also include most of the poorest countries in the world.

There is also a gender gap in literacy: Of the roughly 781 million adults worldwide who cannot read or write, nearly two-thirds are female. This disparity is particularly noticeable in less-developed countries, in which women are often expected to stay at home and care for the house and children while the men go off to work. The developed nations of the world have much higher literacy rates with smaller gaps—if any—between the genders.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country


Dumbarse u are a total idiot

I am referring to Immigrants and their offspring's not people in India or Pakistan.

When an Asian/African leaves their homeland they show they have determination to make their lifes better and offspring's to succeed in life and will push them into education.

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand is a bogus statement cause that does not apply to Trinidad. Indian immigrants made use of what little education was around when they came here . The same can be said in the UK, US , Oz , Can ect .

Further more it was shown in the UK that Indian Kids do much better that kids from Muslim countries

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby Gladiator » April 13th, 2022, 8:37 am

Redress10 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
matix wrote:We’re speaking about Trinidad & Tobago yet we’re given statistics not relevant to here.
The idiot pulls up an oxfam report.

Oxfam was is scam where donations are concerned. They write articles to favor them. They where expose a few years ago.


Look here

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... e_btn_link

I'm giving facts. You're talking small island stupidshit.

UNESCO, The Organization for Poverty Alleviation and Development, Concern Worldwide, End Poverty Now, The Global Citizen, World Relief, Care International, Institute for Research on Poverty, Innovations for Poverty Action, and Muslim Hands have all published similar research.

Family values support academic achievement? Yep. And a group of brokeass families living next to a group wealthy families will have the same academic success. Nope.

You keep on believing that being a 99th percentile Trinidad SEA student is going to be better educated than anybody's kid that finishes St. Anthony's or Hampden Gurney in the UK.
Don't be fooled UK primary education standards is below parr when compared with Trini standards.

Your facts are not centered around Trinidad where it is a cultural for injun kids to excel in education.


Nah ya by yaself there if you think any level of education in the UK is even comparable to Trinidad here.

It isn't cultural for injun kids to excel. It is based on availability and access to resources etc. If gov't didn't place resources into education in country then education wouldn't be accessed by parties. Also the social system gives ppl the ability to rely on govt for grants etc so their children also don't need to work and have a choice to pursue education all up to the tertiary level. That is just not a possibility in some countries. If it was a cultural thing then India wouldn't be another third world sh*thole.

Alot of our cultural deficiencies stem from a culture of gimme gimme. Ppl rather sit down and wait for govt handout instead of getting up and get. The reality is that when you get up and get you actually get more than waiting on the gov't. Alot of ppl also don't understand the amt of agency they have in their lives so they allow gov't full control.

Compare two set of parents. One who leaves their children education solely up to the gov't and teachers and one who takes the initiative to guide the direction of their children's future. Add to that one who guides their children's career choices and one who lets them "study what they want" as long as they "happy and do well" and the public sector go take care of them. The one with more control will always do better.

Alot of blacks simply place too much faith and control on the centralised decision making of government for jobs, economy, food provision etc. That lack of agency and self determination is the main cause of regression.


Sorry Reddress... you have it wrong there. It is a cultural thing... taking away SEA awards, is better the PNM abolish Divali and done.

In the 1940s-1960s in Trinidad there was no access to education for Indian people, even at an elementary level. There were some mission schools where you convert to learn. in the 1960s. The famous cow shed schools is what what was used to educate people.

I remember as early as the 1980s, a family of 9 children, cannot even afford clothes to wear, living in a mud hut in Felicity, produced a President's Medal winner. In fact my eldest uncle from a family of dirt poor 8 siblings was the top SEA student sometime in the 1960s. Most of the Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and the professionals alike in retirement today were born out of that system of absolutely no resources available for education.

You want to compare India, but remember they have 1 billion + people. Our Govt catching tail to manage 1M imagine for 1B+.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby adnj » April 13th, 2022, 10:30 am

zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)
Let's revisit your original and typically stupdfukking post:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.


India has a literacy rate of 74%, Pakistan 54%.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too fukkingdense to see it. But I will give you one mark for consistently being too stubborn to admit it.

The relationship between literacy and poverty

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand. Education is often less available in poverty-stricken areas. Moreover, even when education is available, a struggling family might need their children to work and earn money instead of going to school. Most of the countries with the lowest literacy are located in South Asia, West Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa—regions which also include most of the poorest countries in the world.

There is also a gender gap in literacy: Of the roughly 781 million adults worldwide who cannot read or write, nearly two-thirds are female. This disparity is particularly noticeable in less-developed countries, in which women are often expected to stay at home and care for the house and children while the men go off to work. The developed nations of the world have much higher literacy rates with smaller gaps—if any—between the genders.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country


Dumbarse u are a total idiot

I am referring to Immigrants and their offspring's not people in India or Pakistan.

When an Asian/African leaves their homeland they show they have determination to make their lifes better and offspring's to succeed in life and will push them into education.

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand is a bogus statement cause that does not apply to Trinidad. Indian immigrants made use of what little education was around when they came here . The same can be said in the UK, US , Oz , Can ect .

Further more it was shown in the UK that Indian Kids do much better that kids from Muslim countries
You believe and spew a cornucopia of common misconceptions and popular bullshitt.

I still can't see one muthafucking instance of someone showing some proof.

Your family wants you to be a shop clerk or surgeon? Sure, that's what you will do. And yet, there has been no evidence that socioeconomic standing is not the prime correlative for academic success - or success in general - in the world. Even in Trinidad.

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Re: SEA Exam 2021

Postby zoom rader » April 13th, 2022, 11:33 am

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:Look at the rankings of UK immigrant where Asian achievements are concerned.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... d-training

Why Asian Kids Excel at Education

https://www.admerasia.com/why-asian-ind ... -school-2/

Asian Indian Behaviors and Attitudes Regarding Education

I
ndian parents are extremely ambitious for their children and over 51% rank career success as the most popular goal for them, even above a happy life, and carry that same attitude when they move to the US.
Over 91% see an undergraduate education as essential to achieving life goals. (HSBC Survey Report: The Value for Education: Learning for Life)
Let's revisit your original and typically stupdfukking post:
zoom rader wrote:People need to understand that academics is for those best suited and have a culture to pursue this excellence.

Others are best suited for digging drains and mixing concrete.


India has a literacy rate of 74%, Pakistan 54%.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're too fukkingdense to see it. But I will give you one mark for consistently being too stubborn to admit it.

The relationship between literacy and poverty

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand. Education is often less available in poverty-stricken areas. Moreover, even when education is available, a struggling family might need their children to work and earn money instead of going to school. Most of the countries with the lowest literacy are located in South Asia, West Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa—regions which also include most of the poorest countries in the world.

There is also a gender gap in literacy: Of the roughly 781 million adults worldwide who cannot read or write, nearly two-thirds are female. This disparity is particularly noticeable in less-developed countries, in which women are often expected to stay at home and care for the house and children while the men go off to work. The developed nations of the world have much higher literacy rates with smaller gaps—if any—between the genders.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country


Dumbarse u are a total idiot

I am referring to Immigrants and their offspring's not people in India or Pakistan.

When an Asian/African leaves their homeland they show they have determination to make their lifes better and offspring's to succeed in life and will push them into education.

Poverty and illiteracy tend to go hand-in-hand is a bogus statement cause that does not apply to Trinidad. Indian immigrants made use of what little education was around when they came here . The same can be said in the UK, US , Oz , Can ect .

Further more it was shown in the UK that Indian Kids do much better that kids from Muslim countries
You believe and spew a cornucopia of common misconceptions and popular bullshitt.

I still can't see one muthafucking instance of someone showing some proof.

Your family wants you to be a shop clerk or surgeon? Sure, that's what you will do. And yet, there has been no evidence that socioeconomic standing is not the prime correlative for academic success - or success in general - in the world. Even in Trinidad.
The proof is right in Trinidad, Guyana, Suriname, South Africa, fiji, hence no paper needed.

Illiterate Indian migrants according to the British came to Trinidad just over a 105 years ago which were lower farming caste. Most had no education in English, reading and writing. They did however spoke multiple indian languages including English.

They were the lowest and poorest ethic group. Yet still they sent their offsprings to school. Look at who are the Doctors, lawyers, engineers, technicians ect.

If you need a paper for that then it shows you really are a jack arse.

Ugandan Indians were kick out of Uganda in 1972. They were only allowed to take £50 with them to the UK. They went from being rich shop keepers to poor indians in the UK. Yet still they sent their kids to school and rebuilt their lives. Now their kids are wealthy as businessmen.

Being poor has nothing to do with achieving an education, its all determination.

Continue being a jack arse

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