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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby The_Honourable » May 30th, 2024, 5:34 pm

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US energy giant to go after Venezuela's Dragon gas $$

THE HIGH COURT has recognised a US$1.1 billion arbitration award to a United States energy giant against the Venezuelan government for unlawfully expropriating its investments in Venezuela in 2007.

In an order on May 29, Justice Frank Seepersad allowed ConocoPhillips and its subsidiary Phillips Petroleum Company Venezuela Ltd to register the 2018 International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) final award against Venezuela’s state-owned oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, SA (PDVSA), and two subsidiaries.

The award has been recognised in several other jurisdictions, including the UK, the US, Hong Kong, the Netherlands, Jamaica, Belize and Portugal.

Seepersad’s order allows CoconoPhillips to enforce the award and judgments for US$1.1 billion and post-award interest. He also gave orders for the service of the documents submitted by ConocoPhillips.

The application referred to other arbitration and enforcement actions in ConocoPhillips’ favour against the Venezuelan oil companies.

Supporting documents said ConocoPhillips intends to go after PDVSA for "relinquishing its rights in respect of the Dragon Gas Field and for the infrastructure it owns; and any consideration paid by the National Gas Company or Trinidad and Tobago to a PDVSA-related entity or Venezuela for ongoing supplies of gas."

On the Dragon Gas field project between Trinidad and Tobago and Venezuela, ConocoPhillips said it was aware of the project through media reports; the US Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control sanctions and amendments to OFAC’s licences; providing its own timeline of the project, dating back to 2008 and which included the MOU signed with the TT Government in 2016 and the March 2017 US$100 million agreement to supply gas to NGC and Shell.

It also said ConocoPhillips wished to have the arbitral award recognised so it could enforce it as a judgment of the TT High Court against any compensation (or other monies) payable to PDVSA.

“Sources within Venezuela disclosed that Venezuela was ‘close’ to approving a licence for Shell and NGC to develop the Dragon Field and to export subsequent gas products to TT. “Negotiations were expected to take place in Venezuela at the end of November 2023.

“The terms proposed were said to provide a 25-year exploration and production license for the Dragon Field in favour of Shell and NGC, with Shell having a 70 per cent stake and operational control, and NGC holding the remaining 30 per cent.

“PDVSA would no longer have a stake in the project; instead, Venezuela would receive 'cash or a portion of gas production as royalties,'” supporting documents said.

The application further said ConocoPhillips “truly believes” there are assets belonging to PDVSA and the subsidiaries, “within the court’s jurisdiction which can be used to satisfy some or all of the award.

In the early 1990s, Venezuela created a new fiscal framework to induce foreign investment in its heavy oil projects in the Orinoco Belt and elsewhere.

ConocoPhillips helped Venezuela develop the Petrozuata, Hamaca and Corocoro projects by providing industry-leading technology and substantial long-term investments to the government of Venezuela.

However, in 2007, the Venezuelan government expropriated ConocoPhillips’ investments in their entirety without compensation, the company said in documents filed in support of its application to have the arbitral award recognised and registered in TT.

The documents filed in support said after the final award was issued, the parties entered into a confidential settlement agreement which allowed the Venezuelan oil companies to satisfy it in various ways, including making periodic payments to ConocoPhillips.

It said the ICC tribunal held that PDVSA and its subsidiaries were required to indemnify CoconoPhillips for the Petrozuata and Hamaca agreements and after the award, the Venezuelan companies “expressly and irrevocably” waived their right to challenge the award.

“The defendants also expressly consented to the recognition of the award in all the jurisdictions around the world where the claimants had commenced enforcement proceedings at the time of the settlement agreement, including the US and United Kingdom.

“The settlement agreement provided that as long as the defendants continued to satisfy their payment obligations, the claimants would suspend all legal action to enforce the award.”

However, the court documents said under the agreement CoconoPhillips would be entitled to fully enforce the award and the defendants were required to pay through quarterly payments until April 24, 2023.

“However, the defendants failed to make the required quarterly payments and otherwise perform their obligations under the settlement agreement.”

CoconoPhillips sent several notices of payments in default, but as of May 27, 2024, the company said all three defendants “continue to fail to comply with the award.

“Consequently, the total outstanding balance due to the claimants is US$1,326,937,851.”

This comprises US$1,103,936,231 excluding interest ordered under the award, which stands at US$223,001,619.

“The total outstanding balance due to the claimants arising out of the defendants’ default on their

obligations under the settlement agreement as of May 27, 2024, is US$1,790,373,981 accruing at the corresponding default interest.”

Seepersad’s order provided directions for service in several countries, including Venezuela, the US, France, and the UK, by hand and e-mail, as well as to the Venezuelan Embassy in TT.

According to the order, PDVSA and its subsidiaries, Corpoguanipa, SA and PDVSA Petróleo, SA, have seven days, from the date of service, to apply to have it set aside.

Providing affidavit evidence in support of the application was UK-based attorney Stephen Hayes of the firm Kobre and Kim. Attorney Sophia Vailloo of Ignatius Chambers applied on behalf of ConocoPhillips.

https://newsday.co.tt/2024/05/30/us-ene ... ragon-gas/

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby bluefete » May 30th, 2024, 5:43 pm

^^^ So if they start to monetize, Seepersad could seize any monies we get from the field?


https://www.guardian.co.tt/business/tt- ... 3af3b97c6a
T&T gets green light for cross-border gas field

The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of the US Treasury Department at US Treasury has granted Trinidad and Tobago a licence to explore a natural gas field that straddles the maritime border between T&T and Venezuela.

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby The_Honourable » May 30th, 2024, 10:32 pm

bluefete wrote:^^^ So if they start to monetize, Seepersad could seize any monies we get from the field?


Not us I believe but PDVSA's share of the monies which would be enforced by our local court to repay the debt until it's cleared.

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby The_Honourable » July 19th, 2024, 12:53 pm

ConocoPhillips' $1.3b claim against PDVSA stands

THERE has been no attempt so far by Venezuela’s state-owned oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, SA (PDVSA), and two subsidiaries to set aside US energy giant ConocoPhillips right to enforce a US$1.33 billion ($8.97 billion) claim against Venezuela for past expropriations.

The new deadline for the Venezuelans was July 17. Since no application has been filed, this means the High Court’s order on May 27 remains in effect and the ConocoPhillips arbitration judgment is duly registered and recognised in TT.

On June 25, Justice Frank Seepersad varied his original order so that ConocoPhillips could serve the court’s decision in English and in Spanish.

The revision of the judge’s order came after he was told the enforcement proceedings were not served because of the time it was taking to translate the more than 1,000 pages of documents. Seepersad’s order in May gave ConocoPhillips the green light to enforce its US$1.33 billion arbitration award in Trinidad if it could establish there were assets held by the Venezuelans or money owed to them (PDVSA) by entities in TT.

The decision gave the US oil company the right to seize any compensation to Venezuela from joint gas projects with Trinidad.

Supporting documents said ConocoPhillips intends to go after PDVSA for “relinquishing its rights in respect of the Dragon Gas Field and for the infrastructure it owns, and any consideration paid by the National Gas Company or TT to a PDVSA-related entity or Venezuela for ongoing supplies of gas.”


The judge’s order also gave the Venezuelan state companies seven days after they were served to challenge it and have it discharged.

The sitting on June 25 was convened by the judge, who expressed concern that the court’s order was not served on PDVSA and its subsidiaries.

Seepersad said when he issued the exparte order, he did so considering that a successful litigant was entitled to the spoils of their judgment while noting that neither the cause of action nor the arbitration award took place in TT.

“The court also took judicial notice of the fact that the registration of the judgment debt in this jurisdiction had the potential to impact upon the ongoing energy partnership discussions between this Republic and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela relative to the Dragon gas project,” he said.

“The freedom to contract also imposes an obligation to exercise due diligence and to ascertain the bona fides of proposed contracting parties.

“On the face of the claimant’s application, there appeared to be no operative circumstance which prevented the registration of the award in this jurisdiction but natural justice mandates that the other side should be afforded an opportunity to be heard.

“This court will, however, not condone any abuse of its process nor will it tolerate its issued order being held over the head of the defendants like the sword of Damocles.”

Seepersad warned if the defendants were not served in the identified time period, the court would be inclined to discharge its order.

In its application, ConocoPhillips said it “truly believes” there are assets belonging to PDVSA and the subsidiaries “within the court’s jurisdiction which can be used to satisfy some or all of the award.”

In the early 1990s, Venezuela created a new fiscal framework to induce foreign investment in its heavy oil projects in the Orinoco Belt and elsewhere.

ConocoPhillips helped Venezuela develop the Petrozuata, Hamaca and Corocoro projects by providing industry-leading technology and substantial long-term investments to the government of Venezuela.

However, in 2007, the Venezuelan government expropriated ConocoPhillips’ investments in their entirety without compensation, the company said in documents filed in support of its application to have the arbitral award recognised and registered in TT.

The arbitration award has been registered in other countries.

Seepersad’s original order provided directions for service in several countries, including Venezuela, the US, France, and the UK, by hand and e-mail, as well as to the Venezuelan Embassy in TT.

ConocoPhillips was represented by Garvin Simonette and Sophia Vailloo, who would be joined by UK attorney Andrew Stafford SC and Merrick Watson of the British Virgin Islands.

https://newsday.co.tt/2024/07/19/conoco ... sa-stands/

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby wing » July 19th, 2024, 5:11 pm

Seepersad and Kamla should be charged for treason for endangering and actively undermining the country and its economy.

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Postby paid_influencer » July 19th, 2024, 5:23 pm

wing wrote:Seepersad and Kamla should be charged for treason for endangering and actively undermining the country and its economy.


also the treasonous privy council too

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby sMASH » July 25th, 2024, 4:51 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
wing wrote:Seepersad and Kamla should be charged for treason for endangering and actively undermining the country and its economy.


also the treasonous privy council too
Privey council is uncccccc

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby K_J_R » July 26th, 2024, 9:15 am

sMASH wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:
wing wrote:Seepersad and Kamla should be charged for treason for endangering and actively undermining the country and its economy.


also the treasonous privy council too
Privey council is uncccccc


den conocophilip ppl taking chain up from penal ppl like Kamla again.

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby The_Honourable » September 27th, 2024, 11:35 pm

Receiver picked to seize Dragon Gas payments

THE Supreme Court has approved a receiver to go after US energy giant ConocoPhillips’ enforcement of a US$1.33 billion ($8.97 billion) claim against Venezuela's state-owned oil companies for past expropriations, including payments stemming from the Dragon gas deal.

On September 27, Justice Frank Seepersad appointed Anthony Pierre, of Moore Business Solutions TT, as interim receiver over Petróleos De Venezuela, SA (PDVSA) assets in TT. Pierre would be expected to provide periodic reports to the court on his progress.

According to the receivership order, these assets include “any compensation (or other monies) payable to PDVSA for relinquishing its right in respect of the Dragon Gas Field and for the infrastructure it owns; any right accrued to PDVSA to be paid consideration, now or in the future, by the TT government or any of its departments, the National Gas Company (NGC), and/or any of its subsidiary companies and/ or any of their respective bankers under any agreement for the supply and purchase of gas extracted from the Dragon Gas Field.”

ConocoPhillips’ application was filed on September 25, in the name of its two subsidiaries Phillips Petroleum Company Venezuela Ltd (PPCVL) and Phillips Petrozuata BV against PDVSA and its two subsidiaries Corpoguanipa SA and PDVSA Petroleo SA.

Seepersad said his decision was made as there is a risk that PDVSA will move assets from TT's jurisdiction to avoid paying ConocoPhillips.

The September 27 decision followed ConocoPhillips’ previous application for the enforcement and recognition of the Petrozuata arbitration judgment in TT.

On May 27, Seepersad gave ConocoPhillips the green light to enforce its US$1.33 billion arbitration award in Trinidad if it could establish there were assets held by the Venezuelans or money owed to them (PDVSA) by entities in TT.

The decision gave the US oil company the right to seize any compensation to Venezuela from joint gas projects with Trinidad. His order was varied to amend the method of delivery of service and the Venezuelan companies were given until July 17, to apply to set aside the order. However, that deadline passed with no attempt made by PDVSA and its two subsidiaries to do so.

In June, Energy Minister Stuart Young rubbished claims that the court’s recognition of the Petrozuata award would affect the 30-year-exploration and production license for the Dragon gas field.

He said the government secured a 30-year license for the Dragon gas field as well as a specific amended OFAC license from the US, to develop Dragon and produce and export gas from the field to TT. Venezuela and Trinidad, along with energy companies TT’s National Gas Company (NGC and Shell are looking to develop major offshore gas fields shared by the countries and on the Venezuelan side of the maritime border.

Young also referred to an announcement in late May that the Government was granted another OFAC license to develop the Manakin-Cocuina hydrocarbon field. That license is due to expire in May 2026.

Seepersad said the modality of payment under the OFAC licence was “sufficient to hold there are likely receivership assets which exist or can become due and owing and same can be possibly transferred out of the jurisdiction.”

ConocoPhillips’ lead attorney Andrew Stafford, KC, referred to Young’s statements, confirming PDVSA’s intention to relinquish ownership and operation of the Dragon gas field.

A 400-plus page affidavit from attorney Stephen Richard Dillon Hayes of the law firm of Kobre and Kim, Broad Street, London, noted that Shell and NGC committed to reimbursing PDVSA for its earlier investments at US$1billion, having previously insisted on a US$65 million signing bonus payment.

Hayes said while ConocoPhillips would not be entitled to payments to Venezuela, any sums owed to PDVSA associated with the license agreement were susceptible to enforcement action.

“Any sums due to PDVSA would not be shielded by a claim of sovereign immunity since those sums are not due to Venezuela as a sovereign entity,” Hayes said, referring to Young’s statements that the “same 30-year licence is not anywhere related to PDVSA. …there is something called the ‘corporate veil’. …the licence is with the Government of Venezuela, which is a sovereign entity.

“There is also a concept called ‘sovereign immunity’. So whilst you may have a decision against a commercial entity called PDVSA and payments with respect to PDVSA, that does not automatically equate to the Government of Venezuela. You cannot just simply pierce a corporate veil, Young said.

However, Hayes said, “As is put forward in the written submission of the claimants, any sums due to PDVSA would not be shielded by a claim of sovereign immunity since those sums are not due to Venezuela as a sovereign entity.”

Seepersad said any defence of state immunity, at the execution stage against assets of PDVSA, would be a difficult defence to mount.

He said from the minister’s statements and the other evidence provided by ConocoPhillips, there was likely to be “some type of monetary compensation” from the OPAC licence agreement.

“The modality of the payment of the OFAC licence is sufficient to hold there are likely to be receivership assets which can become due and owing and can be possibly transferred out of the jurisdiction,

He said if this was done, it would put it outside the reach of ConocoPhillips and the Supreme Court.

Seepersad noted that PDVSA did not have tangible assets in TT, apart from those identified stemming from the Dragon gas deal, and considered the difficulty for enforcement so the appointment of the receiver “would offer a level of practical protection.”

Hayes said it appeared that PDVSA has made claims to recoup its investment in the Dragon Gas Field which NGC and/or TT may be obligated to pay.

He also referred to the development of the Manakin-Coquina gas fields between bp, PDVSA, Venezuela, and NGC, Young’s statements on the negotiations an the award of an OFAC licence in July 2024 and the possibility of natural gas from Venezuela’s Loran gas fields.

However, for now, ConocoPhillips will not be seeking an order on the Manakin-Coquina and Loran gas fields projects until agreements are reached and made clear. If at that point, rights accrue to any of the defendants under those agreements, ConocoPhillips said it reserved the right for the preservation of those assets by the interim receiver.

Hayes said ConocoPhillips has applied for a special OFAC licence to take steps to execute against the receivership assets but its application is still pending.

Hayes also provided the court with extensive details on PDVSA’s “record of evasion,” which was referred to by the judge in his ruling. ConocoPhillips referred to past attempts to enforce international arbitral awards against Venezuela and its state-owned companies. However, it alleged, “Venezuela and those state-owned enterprises have taken drastic steps to try to place assets situated around the world out of the reach of creditors and to thwart execution, including resisting enforcement action in other countries on the Petrozuata award.”

Seepersad said he considered injunctive relief to prevent payments to PDVSA and the grant of a declaration of rights but decided against it as the State would have to be joined as a party to any such proceedings which would involve time and expense incurred by taxpayers.

“That is an unnecessary course having regard to the nature of the award registered in TT and the undeniable right the claimant has to enforce the award to ensure payment is received…The appointment of a receiver is a more viable option… in a dispute which is essentially a commercial dispute.”

The terms of the receivership order

The receivership order approved by the court not only extends to any compensation payable to PDVSA for the Dragon gas field but also any rights under other agreements for the supply of gas including the Manakin-Coquina and Loran gas fields without the receiver having to return to the court with a new application.

The order also gives the receiver the right to collect and take control of the receivership assets; and request information on those assets from third parties in TT, among others.

The receiver and his staff would be paid from the receivership assets up to a limit of US$50,000.

Like the previous order, PDVSA and its subsidiaries have the right to apply to have the receivership order set aside within seven days of service of the court’s order.

ConocoPhillips was also represented by TT attorneys Garvin Simmonette and Sophia Vailoo.

Background

In the early 1990s, Venezuela created a new fiscal framework to induce foreign investment in its heavy oil projects in the Orinoco Belt and elsewhere.

ConocoPhillips helped Venezuela develop the Petrozuata, Hamaca and Corocoro projects by providing industry-leading technology and substantial long-term investments to the government of Venezuela.

However, in 2007, the Venezuelan government expropriated ConocoPhillips’ investments in their entirety without compensation, the company said in documents filed in support of its application to have the arbitral award recognised and registered in TT.

The arbitration award has been registered in other countries.

PDVSA paid ConocoPhillips about $700 million through a settlement agreement but ceased payments in late 2019, the court documents said.

https://newsday.co.tt/2024/09/27/receiv ... -payments/

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby zoom rader » September 28th, 2024, 7:16 am

^^^ PNM in the as usual

Kick PNM out

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Postby The_Honourable » November 12th, 2024, 12:32 am

Well sheeeeeeeet...

If rumors in the Trump administration are true, Marco Rubio is tipped to be Secretary of State

The Secretary of State is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser

Rubio despises Maduro and wants to reinstate sanctions on Venezuela

Read his press release back in August post venezuelan elections: https://www.rubio.senate.gov/icymi-rubi ... lp-maduro/

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby wing » November 12th, 2024, 9:08 am

The_Honourable wrote:Well sheeeeeeeet...

If rumors in the Trump administration are true, Marco Rubio is tipped to be Secretary of State

The Secretary of State is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser

Rubio despises Maduro and wants to reinstate sanctions on Venezuela

Read his press release back in August post venezuelan elections: https://www.rubio.senate.gov/icymi-rubi ... lp-maduro/
Dragon gas is 2027. When Kamla returns to power in 2025, there won't be any need for that project, since she will increase production and revenue. Plus she's already written to the US to impose sanctions.

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Postby zoom rader » November 12th, 2024, 11:56 am

wing wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:Well sheeeeeeeet...

If rumors in the Trump administration are true, Marco Rubio is tipped to be Secretary of State

The Secretary of State is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser

Rubio despises Maduro and wants to reinstate sanctions on Venezuela

Read his press release back in August post venezuelan elections: https://www.rubio.senate.gov/icymi-rubi ... lp-maduro/
Dragon gas is 2027. When Kamla returns to power in 2025, there won't be any need for that project, since she will increase production and revenue. Plus she's already written to the US to impose sanctions.
History has shown than non PNM governments pulled this country of the shiťhole that PNM put us in.

NAR, UNC and PP all brought Trinidad back

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby MaxPower » November 12th, 2024, 12:40 pm

Friends,

The only person that should be commenting here is the great DJT.

Let him lay the pipe how he want it and then comments should be welcomed.

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Postby sMASH » November 12th, 2024, 2:06 pm

The_Honourable wrote:Well sheeeeeeeet...

If rumors in the Trump administration are true, Marco Rubio is tipped to be Secretary of State

The Secretary of State is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser

Rubio despises Maduro and wants to reinstate sanctions on Venezuela

Read his press release back in August post venezuelan elections: https://www.rubio.senate.gov/icymi-rubi ... lp-maduro/
Ursala von delyon , eu chief , has said that US lng is cheaper than Russian lng and will be looking towards increasing imports from the US.

Thats a bag ah crap , but a reason why usa might allow dragon gas... To supply Atlantic , who sells to usa.

Remeber ngc bought lng facilities in Beaumont

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby sMASH » November 12th, 2024, 2:07 pm

But really and truly , ya don't know what trump will do.... Hadda wait an see.

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Postby The_Honourable » November 12th, 2024, 6:23 pm

Remember this?


Marco Rubio @marcorubio: The United States has an excellent & growing relationship with #TrinidadandTobago @mfagovtt.

@TTMEEI helping #Cuba circumvent sanctions related to #Venezuela through shipment of LPG via a 3rd party would be an unnecessary irritant in our bilateral relationship.

7:50 PM · Jul 17, 2019

https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1151640312290467841

(TTMEEI is Trinidad & Tobago Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries)

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby sMASH » November 12th, 2024, 7:51 pm

The_Honourable wrote:Remember this?


Marco Rubio @marcorubio: The United States has an excellent & growing relationship with #TrinidadandTobago @mfagovtt.

@TTMEEI helping #Cuba circumvent sanctions related to #Venezuela through shipment of LPG via a 3rd party would be an unnecessary irritant in our bilateral relationship.

7:50 PM · Jul 17, 2019

https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1151640312290467841

(TTMEEI is Trinidad & Tobago Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries)
Many reasons for and against , many indications it coudl or could not go tru..

Only when the ink dry we could be sure.

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Postby MG Man » November 13th, 2024, 9:37 am

zoom rader wrote:History has shown than non PNM governments pulled this country of the shiťhole that PNM put us in.

NAR, UNC and PP all brought Trinidad back

they pull us out with hard choices, the population gets pissed, and votes PNM back in because 'dem bring hard times on we'
it's a cycle
PNM not chuppid...why you think Patos call a snap election at the peak of his unpopularity? That was a very smart move. Hand over the shitstorm to the opposition, and come back in 5 years

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Postby sMASH » November 13th, 2024, 12:43 pm

MG Man wrote:
zoom rader wrote:History has shown than non PNM governments pulled this country of the shiťhole that PNM put us in.

NAR, UNC and PP all brought Trinidad back

they pull us out with hard choices, the population gets pissed, and votes PNM back in because 'dem bring hard times on we'
it's a cycle
PNM not chuppid...why you think Patos call a snap election at the peak of his unpopularity? That was a very smart move. Hand over the shitstorm to the opposition, and come back in 5 years
Smart move is to drop the ball for the next election and let pnm take a hat trick and prove once and for all is them that mash it up.

But, kams might want the last chance at the cookie jar , and let who ever fight up.



I kinda want pnm to solidify their reputation ...

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Postby MG Man » November 13th, 2024, 12:55 pm

sMASH wrote:
MG Man wrote:
zoom rader wrote:History has shown than non PNM governments pulled this country of the shiťhole that PNM put us in.

NAR, UNC and PP all brought Trinidad back

they pull us out with hard choices, the population gets pissed, and votes PNM back in because 'dem bring hard times on we'
it's a cycle
PNM not chuppid...why you think Patos call a snap election at the peak of his unpopularity? That was a very smart move. Hand over the shitstorm to the opposition, and come back in 5 years
Smart move is to drop the ball for the next election and let pnm take a hat trick and prove once and for all is them that mash it up.

But, kams might want the last chance at the cookie jar , and let who ever fight up.



I kinda want pnm to solidify their reputation ...


on the wone hand, we have Keith and his 2 term proven track record
on the other hand, we have a dry up ole tantie whose delusions of grandeur have her leading the same barrel of never-see, come-see crabs
We lose either way

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Postby sMASH » November 13th, 2024, 12:57 pm

MG Man wrote:
sMASH wrote:
MG Man wrote:
zoom rader wrote:History has shown than non PNM governments pulled this country of the shiťhole that PNM put us in.

NAR, UNC and PP all brought Trinidad back

they pull us out with hard choices, the population gets pissed, and votes PNM back in because 'dem bring hard times on we'
it's a cycle
PNM not chuppid...why you think Patos call a snap election at the peak of his unpopularity? That was a very smart move. Hand over the shitstorm to the opposition, and come back in 5 years
Smart move is to drop the ball for the next election and let pnm take a hat trick and prove once and for all is them that mash it up.

But, kams might want the last chance at the cookie jar , and let who ever fight up.



I kinda want pnm to solidify their reputation ...


on the wone hand, we have Keith and his 2 term proven track record
on the other hand, we have a dry up ole tantie whose delusions of grandeur have her leading the same barrel of never-see, come-see crabs
We lose either way
I will vote for a sock on a stick if it had good policies ... And this time , unc promised it!

Stsnd ur ground legislation and more FUL's

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby hover11 » November 13th, 2024, 1:45 pm

MG Man wrote:
sMASH wrote:
MG Man wrote:
zoom rader wrote:History has shown than non PNM governments pulled this country of the shiťhole that PNM put us in.

NAR, UNC and PP all brought Trinidad back

they pull us out with hard choices, the population gets pissed, and votes PNM back in because 'dem bring hard times on we'
it's a cycle
PNM not chuppid...why you think Patos call a snap election at the peak of his unpopularity? That was a very smart move. Hand over the shitstorm to the opposition, and come back in 5 years
Smart move is to drop the ball for the next election and let pnm take a hat trick and prove once and for all is them that mash it up.

But, kams might want the last chance at the cookie jar , and let who ever fight up.



I kinda want pnm to solidify their reputation ...


on the wone hand, we have Keith and his 2 term proven track record
on the other hand, we have a dry up ole tantie whose delusions of grandeur have her leading the same barrel of never-see, come-see crabs
We lose either way
When u say proven track record, you using that term loosely because surely you jest...

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby MG Man » November 13th, 2024, 3:56 pm

hover11 wrote:
MG Man wrote:
sMASH wrote:
MG Man wrote:
zoom rader wrote:History has shown than non PNM governments pulled this country of the shiťhole that PNM put us in.

NAR, UNC and PP all brought Trinidad back

they pull us out with hard choices, the population gets pissed, and votes PNM back in because 'dem bring hard times on we'
it's a cycle
PNM not chuppid...why you think Patos call a snap election at the peak of his unpopularity? That was a very smart move. Hand over the shitstorm to the opposition, and come back in 5 years
Smart move is to drop the ball for the next election and let pnm take a hat trick and prove once and for all is them that mash it up.

But, kams might want the last chance at the cookie jar , and let who ever fight up.



I kinda want pnm to solidify their reputation ...


on the wone hand, we have Keith and his 2 term proven track record
on the other hand, we have a dry up ole tantie whose delusions of grandeur have her leading the same barrel of never-see, come-see crabs
We lose either way
When u say proven track record, you using that term loosely because surely you jest...


sacrasm broski
Proven track record in ruination...

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby shaneelal » November 20th, 2024, 6:36 am

US recognises opposition leader Gonzalez Urrutia as Venezuela's president-elect
Issued on: 20/11/2024 - 01:17 Modified: 20/11/2024 - 01:21

The US officially recognised opposition candidate Edmundo Gonzalez Urrutia as Venezuela's president-elect Tuesday, four months after disputed elections. Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s statement rejecting Nicolas Maduro's claimed victory drew sharp criticism from Caracas, which dismissed the move as "ridiculous".

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20 ... dent-elect

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby sMASH » November 20th, 2024, 11:34 am

I wonder if stewie willing to reassure if we still good with ofac to do dragon gas ....

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby hover11 » November 24th, 2024, 12:29 pm

Government has been engaged with both the Democrats and the Republicans in its attempts to secure T&T’s Dragon Gas deal with Venezuela, declared Stuart Young, Minister of Energy and Energy Industries when he addressed the Chaguanas Chamber of Industry and Commerce (CCIC) on Saturday.

Read more:
https://www.cnc3.co.tt/tt-govt-in-talk- ... -gas-deal/

Trump hasn't even been sworn in, what is Stuart pretending to do?

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby paid_influencer » November 24th, 2024, 1:18 pm

neither the democrats nor republicans control policy tho. it is the financiers, lobbyists and special interests that do that. i can assure you those much bigger players are playing both sides too and have much deeper pockets that stiewie

dragon gas was never coming hth

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby pugboy » November 24th, 2024, 1:24 pm

stuey trying to bs us as usual, man sound like he counting chicken before eggs even laid

the true puppet masters in washington don’t go about boasting what they doing
they would have their lobbyists working quietly in the background to make sure their chickens hatch

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Re: Dragon gas deal with Venezuela

Postby wing » November 24th, 2024, 1:32 pm

hover11 wrote:Government has been engaged with both the Democrats and the Republicans in its attempts to secure T&T’s Dragon Gas deal with Venezuela, declared Stuart Young, Minister of Energy and Energy Industries when he addressed the Chaguanas Chamber of Industry and Commerce (CCIC) on Saturday.

Read more:
https://www.cnc3.co.tt/tt-govt-in-talk- ... -gas-deal/

Trump hasn't even been sworn in, what is Stuart pretending to do?
When Kamla wins and asks for sanctions against Maduro, we won't need dragon gas. But don't worry, she'll make the wells produce more and cause prices to increase. Why worry? Also the refinery will restart with the massive increase in crude production from the jubilee field. Our future is secure.

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