The Religion Discussion

[AdamB]

You find that Islamic Torah, Psalms and Gospel yet?

he said there is an Arabic version of the bible but the only thing you can get out of that version is the fact that the word God is rendered Allah,other than that it's probably still 'corrupted'

For the ignorant ones...The books of the bible were NOT written in English. The English translations are translated from the latin Vulgate Bible, which is itself a translation.

They were written in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic. The Aramaic was the language used in Jesus' time. It is closer to Arabic than English in pronunciation. So GOD means nothing really or it could mean many things like A god and allows association like god-son (or son-god), god-dess, god-father, god-mother and the like.

ALLAH means THE ONE TRUE GOD. When Arabs use the word ALLAH it is understood that HE has no partner.

Of course, because we speak English, some ignorant ones think that English is IT, superior to all other languages...but they are completely wrong.

[Dizzy28]

You find that Islamic Torah, Psalms and Gospel yet?

he said there is an Arabic version of the bible but the only thing you can get out of that version is the fact that the word God is rendered Allah,other than that it's probably still 'corrupted'

For the ignorant ones...The books of the bible were NOT written in English. The English translations are translated from the latin Vulgate Bible, which is itself a translation.

They were written in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic. The Aramaic was the language used in Jesus' time. It is closer to Arabic than English in pronunciation. So GOD means nothing really or it could mean many things like A god and allows association like god-son (or son-god), god-dess, god-father, god-mother and the like.

ALLAH means THE ONE TRUE GOD. When Arabs use the word ALLAH it is understood that HE has no partner.

Of course, because we speak English, some ignorant ones think that English is IT, superior to all other languages...but they are completely wrong.

Couldn't agree with you more....every one knows Sanskrit is the most superior language ever!!

[metalgear2095]

I will allow you a Muslim, to define what is Muslim. Who better to do it than you?

The linguistic meaning of a muslim is one who submits to the will of GOD. All of the prophets from Adam to Muhammad, did that...so in that light, they were all muslims submitting to God's will.

Islam is the religion, that was perfected by GOD for Muhammad and his followers...and for all of mankind.

Islam comprises 5 pillars -
1. shahaadah (witnessing that there is no true GOD except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah).
2. Prayer
3. Charity (compulsory) on savings (earnings after expenses)
4. Fasting in the month of Ramadhan
5. Pilgrimage to Mecca. (Hajj)

When the term "muslim" is used, it refers to a person who performs the 5 pillars AND who is a believer. A believer comprises:
1. belief in GOD and HIS ONENESS (according to Islamic monotheism which is the same as the true belief of all of the prophets)
2. belief in the Angels
3. belief in the books sent down by GOD
4. belief in Prophets
5. belief in the Day of Judgment (and life after death)
6. belief in the Divine Pre-decree (kinda like predestination BUT not exactly - this is what MGMan rants about due to improper knowledge / understanding...not his fault)

When the terms "muslim" and "believer" are used separately, their meanings converge and include each other.

However when they are used TOGETHER, then their meaning diverge, muslim then refers to the outward actions of the tongue and limbs, believer refers to the inward belief (action) of the heart.

GOD sees the hearts, a believer is higher in rank than a muslim (with diverging meanings as listed above).

By your definition most Muslims are not doing this Islam thing right. Islam is only for those that can afford the trip to mecca then? Don't you think that this is a silly pillar?

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my grandmother was a very religious person. she travelled the world and even did the trip to mecca and did the walk at around 80yrs old. poor thing probably died never knowing even that walk is symbolic. she went hoping for healing of her diabetes related issues. but of course.. it never came. she did die peacefully in her sleep at a ripe old age tho.

Man what your granny have to do with my statement?

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[AdamB]

^^that should be NOT everyone knows because the majority don't know.

My christian brethren are the most unaware, they take their English bible as their "bible" (lol) - meaning standard by which all other things are measured (or yard-stick). But it is only a poorly translated version of the original languages in which it was revealed/written. I say "poor" because once translated, the purity is lost...al translations are inherently poor!

[metalgear2095]

^^that should be NOT everyone knows because the majority don't know.

My christian brethren are the most unaware, they take their English bible as their "bible" (lol) - meaning standard by which all other things are measured (or yard-stick). But it is only a poorly translated version of the original languages in which it was revealed/written. I say "poor" because once translated, the purity is lost...al translations are inherently poor!

Your Koran not in english?

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[metalgear2095]

^^that should be NOT everyone knows because the majority don't know.

My christian brethren are the most unaware, they take their English bible as their "bible" (lol) - meaning standard by which all other things are measured (or yard-stick). But it is only a poorly translated version of the original languages in which it was revealed/written. I say "poor" because once translated, the purity is lost...al translations are inherently poor!

Your Koran not in english?

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[AdamB]

Metalgear,
I think you underestimate your granny. At 80 yrs old, and she had the firm belief in Islam and the healing power of the Quran. May Allah bless her and make her grave spacious and sweet-smelling like the fragrance of Paradise.

She lived in a time that no one else may ever experience again. However, due to lack of proper knowledge at that time, people did things strange to the religion but as I said, persons will not be held accountable for what they did not deliberately intend. May Allah raise her rank and reward her with Paradise. Ameen.

[AdamB]

^^that should be NOT everyone knows because the majority don't know.

My christian brethren are the most unaware, they take their English bible as their "bible" (lol) - meaning standard by which all other things are measured (or yard-stick). But it is only a poorly translated version of the original languages in which it was revealed/written. I say "poor" because once translated, the purity is lost...al translations are inherently poor!

Your Koran not in english?

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Yes we have English translations that we use but we don't say that it is the Quran, rather a translation of the meaning of THE QURAN (which is the arabic quran). There were mistakes, not major ones, in the first english translations but the best one right now is THE NOBLE QURAN by Khan and Hilalee.

It is almost impossible to render the meaning from one language to another. Specifically, conjugation in arabic is specific for:
1. single person, dual person and plural
2. 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person
3. male and female.

There are past and present/future tenses.

We have the original arabic quran, memorized letter for letter from beginning to end, by millions of muslims and the same as it was 1400+ yrs ago. The language still exists and is in usage to this day. GOD promised in the Quran that HE will preserve it.

The meaning of the Quran has been passed down from scholar to scholar from the prophet and his companions to those of the present day. Everything in Islam has it proof / evidences. There is a science / methodology behind the explanation of the verses and also hadith (sayings of the prophet).

[metalgear2095]

^^that should be NOT everyone knows because the majority don't know.

My christian brethren are the most unaware, they take their English bible as their "bible" (lol) - meaning standard by which all other things are measured (or yard-stick). But it is only a poorly translated version of the original languages in which it was revealed/written. I say "poor" because once translated, the purity is lost...al translations are inherently poor!

Your Koran not in english?

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Yes we have English translations that we use but we don't say that it is the Quran, rather a translation of the meaning of THE QURAN (which is the arabic quran). There were mistakes, not major ones, in the first english translations but the best one right now is THE NOBLE QURAN by Khan and Hilalee.

It is almost impossible to render the meaning from one language to another. Specifically, conjugation in arabic is specific for:
1. single person, dual person and plural
2. 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person
3. male and female.

There are past and present/future tenses.

We have the original arabic quran, memorized letter for letter from beginning to end, by millions of muslims and the same as it was 1400+ yrs ago. The language still exists and is in usage to this day. GOD promised in the Quran that HE will preserve it.

The meaning of the Quran has been passed down from scholar to scholar from the prophet and his companions to those of the present day. Everything in Islam has it proof / evidences. There is a science / methodology behind the explanation of the verses and also hadith (sayings of the prophet).

You read it in English?

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[Habit7]

The English translations are translated from the latin Vulgate Bible, which is itself a translation.

That is not true of all English translations, the New American Standard Bible which I regularly quote from is a direct translation from the original languages. Every undergraduate Christian theologian must learn Koine Greek and have a working knowledge of Hebrew. In seminary at the postgrad level, this only improved upon regardless the area of study. Christian educators are well versed in explaining the nuances of the translations and layman resources such are lexicographies are available to independently study the Scriptures.

Christianity is not a religion that wants its believers to speak, dress, or adopt the archaic culture of it first adherents. Neither is it necessary to venture to a certain geographical point in a hope to attain favour from God. The God of the Bible envisions that culture will change, people will migrate to far lands, and that the Church will be universal comprising every tribe, tongue and nation as prophesied by the Apostle John in Revelations 5:9,7:9. The Bible outlines moral principle that can fit every culture and as we can see, the cultures that adopt these principles achieve the best standard of life possible for every citizen.

So Muhammad was successful in his religious warfare and conquest in forcing upon his captures the small language of his tribe on a wide sector of the world. Islamists today take pride in that they handle the burden of learning a language to know Allah. But yes translations do not give an entire picture of a the originally meaning. But after 2,000 years of Christianity across the globe, that meaning that is found in the original languages of the Bible has been understood and transmitted in the teaching of the Bible regardless of language.

[nareshseep]

By that same justification then all anansi stories are true.

[AdamB]

Metalgear,
I think you underestimate your granny. At 80 yrs old, and she had the firm belief in Islam and the healing power of the Quran. May Allah bless her and make her grave spacious and sweet-smelling like the fragrance of Paradise.

She lived in a time that no one else may ever experience again. However, due to lack of proper knowledge at that time, people did things strange to the religion but as I said, persons will not be held accountable for what they did not deliberately intend. May Allah raise her rank and reward her with Paradise. Ameen.

[AdamB]

I read the Quran in Arabic as well as English. There are "tafsirs" or explanation of the verses by scholars that are available.

[Habit7]

May Allah bless her and make her grave spacious and sweet-smelling like the fragrance of Paradise.

[metalgear2095]

I read the Quran in Arabic as well as English. There are "tafsirs" or explanation of the verses by scholars that are available.

My granny? Is your first language Arabic? Did you study Arabic? If not why the hell you reading something you don't understand?

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[AdamB]

^^^What do you think happens to the body and soul of the deceased person? What does the bible say? What did Jesus say?

[metalgear2095]

^^^What do you think happens to the body and soul of the deceased person? What does the bible say? What did Jesus say?

Why does Allah have to make her grave spacious? She dead. She don't need space. She won't feel crowded. You studied arabic or just like to read stuff you don't understand because you have some crazy notion that it brings you closer to allah?

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[Habit7]

Apostle Paul speaking: 2 Corinthians 5:8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Hebrews 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

[Habit7]

May Allah bless her and make her grave spacious and sweet-smelling like the fragrance of Paradise.

[Sacchetto Boutique]

I posed the question of the errors in the bible to Darul Uloom TT and i was told to look for the writings of Ahmad Deedat and Information from Dr Zakir Naik.

The following is a excerpt of what I found on Deedat's writings-

Here I will endeavour to cast just a cursory glance at a “half-a-dozen” or so of those “minor” changes:

1. “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a Virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14 - AV)

The indispensable “Virgin” in the above verse has now been replaced in the RSV with the phrase “a young woman,” which is the correct translation of the Hebrew word Almah. Almah is the word which has occurred all along in the Hebrew text and not bethulah which means Virgin. This correction is only to be found in the English language translation, as the RSV is only published in this tongue. For the African and the Afrikaner, the Arab and the Zulu, in fact, in the 1 500 other languages of the world, Christians are made to continue to swallow the misnomer “Virgin.”

Begotten, not made
“Jesus is the only begotten son of God, begotten not made,” is an adjunct of the orthodox catechism, leaning for support on the following:

2. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only BEGOTTEN son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16 - AV)

No priest worth his cloth would fail to quote “the only Begotten of the Father!” when preaching to a prospective convert. But this fabrication “Begotten” has now been unceremoniously excised by the Bible Revisers, without a word of excuse. They are as silent as church-mice and would not draw the reader’s attention to their furtive excision. This blasphemous word “Begotten” was another of the many such interpolations in the “Holy Bible.” God Almighty condemned this blasphemy in the strongest terms soon after its innovation. He did not wait for 2000 years for Bible scholars to reveal the fraud:

“They say: (God) Most Gracious has begotten a son! Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, That they should invoke a son for (God) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.” (Quran 19:88-92)

The Muslim World should congratulate the “Fifty cooperating denominations” of Christendom and their Brains Trust the “Thirty-two scholars of the highest eminence” for bringing their Holy Bible a degree nearer to the Quranic truth: “He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;” (Quran 112:3)

“Christian mes-a-mathics”
3. “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1st Epistle Of John 5:7 – AV)

This verse is the closest approximation to what the Christians call their Holy Trinity in the encyclopaedia called the Bible. This key-stone of the Christian faith has also been scrapped from the RSV without even a semblance of explanation. It has been a pious fraud all along and well-deservedly has it been expunged in the RSV for the English-speaking people.

But for the 1499 remaining language groups of the world who read the Christian concoctions in their mother tongues, the fraud remains. These people will never know the truth until the Day of Judgement. However, we Muslims must again congratulate the galaxy of D.D.’s who have been honest enough to eliminate another lie from the English (RSV) Bible, thus bringing their Holy Book yet another step closer to the teachings of Islam. For the Holy Quran says:

“Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah”

The ascension
One of the most serious of those “grave defects” which the authors of the RSV had tried to rectify concerned the Ascension of Christ. There have been only two references in the Canonical Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and of John to the most stupendous event in Christianity of Jesus being taken up into heaven. These two references were obtained in every Bible in every language, prior to 1952, when the RSV first appeared. These were:

4a. “So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” (Mark 16:19)

4b. “While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven.” (Luke 24:51)

You will be shocked to note that Mark 16 ends at verse 8, and after an embarrassing expanse of blank space the missing verses appear in “small print” as a footnote at the bottom of the page. If you can lay your hands on a RSV 1952, you will find the last six words of 4b above, i.e. “and was carried up into heaven” replaced by a tiny “a” to tell you to see the footnote if you please, where you will find these missing words. Every honest Christian has to admit that he does not consider any footnote in any Bible as the word of God. Why should the paid servants of Christianity consign the mightiest miracle of their religion to a mere footnote?

From the Chart “The Origin and Growth of the English Bible” appearing below, you will note that all the Biblical “Versions” prior to the Revised Version of 1881 were dependent upon the Ancient copies those dating only five or six hundred years after Jesus. The Revisers of the RSV 1952, were the first Bible scholars who were able to tap the “Most Ancient Copies” fully, dating three and four centuries after Christ.

We agree that the closer to the source the more authentic is the document. Naturally “Most” Ancient deserves credence more than mere “Ancient.” But not finding a word about Jesus being “taken up” or “carried up” into heaven in the Most Ancient manuscripts, the Christian fathers expurgated those references from the RSV 1952.

The donkey circus
The above facts are a staggering confession by Christendom that the “inspired” authors of the Canonical Gospels did not record a single word about the Ascension of Jesus- Yet these “inspired” authors were unanimous in recording that their Lord and Saviour rode a donkey into Jerusalem as his mission drew to a close:

“And they sat him thereon.” (The Donkey). Matt. 21:7
“And he sat upon him.” (The Donkey). Mark 11:7
“And they set Jesus Thereon.” (The Donkey). Luke 19:35
“Jesus ... sat thereon:” (The Donkey). John 12:14


Could God Almighty have been the author of this incongruous situation going out of His Way to see that all the Gospel writers did not miss their footing recording of His “son’s” donkey-ride into the Holy City and yet “inspiring” them to black-out the news about His “son’s” heavenly flight on the wings of angels?

Not for long!
The hot-gospellers and the Bible-thumpers were too slow in catching the Joke. By the time they realised that the corner-stone of their preaching The Ascension Of Jesus had been undermined as a result of Christian Biblical erudition, the publishers of the RSV had already raked in a net profit of 15,000 000 dollars! (Fifteen Million). The propagandists made a big hue and cry, and with the backing of two denominational committees out of the fifty, forced the Publishers to re-incorporate the interpolations into the “Inspired” Word of God in every new publication of the RSV after 1952, the expunged portion was “Restored To The Text.”

It is an old, old game. The Jews and the Christians have been editing their “Book of God” from its very inception. The difference between them and the ancient forgerers is that the ancient forgers did not know the art of writing “prefaces” and “footnotes”, otherwise they too would have told us as clearly as our modern heroes have about their tampering, and their glib excuses for transmuting forged currency into glittering gold.

“many proposals for modification were submitted to the committee by individuals and by two denominational committees all of these were given careful attention by the committee.

“Two passages, the I longer ending of Mark (16:9-20) ... and Luke 24:51 are restored to the text.” (Preface Collins’ Pages Vi And Vii)

“Why ‘restored’”? Because they had been previously expunged! Why had the references to the Ascension expunged in the first place? The most Ancient manuscripts had no references to the Ascension at all. They were interpolations similar to 1 John 5:7 about the Trinity. (Refer to the earlier example 3). Why eliminate one and re-instate the other? Do not be surprised! By the time you lay your hands on a RSV, the “Committee” might also have decided to expunge the whole of their invaluable Preface. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have already eliminated 27 revealing pages of their Foreword to their “New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures,” (this is their way of saying New Testament).

Allah in the Christian Bible
The Rev. C. I. Scofield, D. D. with a team of 8 Consulting Editors, also all D.D.’s in the “Scofield Reference Bible” thought it appropriate to spell the Hebrew word “Elah” (meaning God) alternatively as “Alah” The Christians had thus swallowed the camel they seemed to have accepted at last that the name of God is Allah but were still straining at the gnat by spelling Allah with one “L”!

References were made in public lectures to this fact by the author of this booklet. Believe me, the subsequent “Scofield Reference Bible” has retained word for word the whole commentary of Genesis 1:1, but has, by a clever sleight of hand, blotted out the word “Alah” altogether. There is not even a gap where the word “Alah” once used to be. (See “What Is His Name” for more information on this Biblical omission of the word Allah). This is in the Bible of the orthodox! One is hard pressed to keep up with their Jugglery.



so...anyone has a RSV 1952??? revised standard version of the bible

[Habit7]

Muslims are fascinated by Deedat, but he runs from debating any notable Christian. This just an example of when Deedat is matched up against the truth.

[metalgear2095]

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SK ... ctions.htm
The Koran full of errors. Y'all really believes the stars are lamps created to drive away satans? Do you Muslims actually read this stuff? With all those stars there should be no evil
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[Sacchetto Boutique]

so...anyone has a RSV 1952??? revised standard version of the bible

[rocknrolla]

I will allow you a Muslim, to define what is Muslim. Who better to do it than you?

The linguistic meaning of a muslim is one who submits to the will of GOD. All of the prophets from Adam to Muhammad, did that...so in that light, they were all muslims submitting to God's will.

Islam is the religion, that was perfected by GOD for Muhammad and his followers...and for all of mankind.

Islam comprises 5 pillars -
1. shahaadah (witnessing that there is no true GOD except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah).
2. Prayer
3. Charity (compulsory) on savings (earnings after expenses)
4. Fasting in the month of Ramadhan
5. Pilgrimage to Mecca. (Hajj)

When the term "muslim" is used, it refers to a person who performs the 5 pillars AND who is a believer. A believer comprises:
1. belief in GOD and HIS ONENESS (according to Islamic monotheism which is the same as the true belief of all of the prophets)
2. belief in the Angels
3. belief in the books sent down by GOD
4. belief in Prophets
5. belief in the Day of Judgment (and life after death)
6. belief in the Divine Pre-decree (kinda like predestination BUT not exactly - this is what MGMan rants about due to improper knowledge / understanding...not his fault)

When the terms "muslim" and "believer" are used separately, their meanings converge and include each other.

However when they are used TOGETHER, then their meaning diverge, muslim then refers to the outward actions of the tongue and limbs, believer refers to the inward belief (action) of the heart.

GOD sees the hearts, a believer is higher in rank than a muslim (with diverging meanings as listed above).

By your definition most Muslims are not doing this Islam thing right. Islam is only for those that can afford the trip to mecca then? Don't you think that this is a silly pillar?

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my grandmother was a very religious person. she travelled the world and even did the trip to mecca and did the walk at around 80yrs old. poor thing probably died never knowing even that walk is symbolic. she went hoping for healing of her diabetes related issues. but of course.. it never came. she did die peacefully in her sleep at a ripe old age tho.

Man what your granny have to do with my statement?

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isolate the part "died never knowing that the walk is symbolic',

taking that walk will bring u no closer to God than taking a walk from point fortin to POS.

[rocknrolla]

also.. my granny was a devout Roman Catholic. she sought the kingdom of heaven and the salvation of Jesus, gave to the poor and walked in the footsteps of mother teresa as much as she could. but in the end id have to say she died missing the point. as do pretty much 99% religious ppl of any faith who follow a leader.

[Sacchetto Boutique]

well yes...i read the 1st supposed 'mistake' and laughed bc the writer didnt understand lol... 6days! 2 + 4 = 6days...the explaination of the creation of the heavens is in 41:12 so teh writer added that '2' twice ...and I aint no scholar but i saw that...wouldnt accept anything from that website you posted bc clearly, the writer doesnt know what he is talkign about....thanks for teh laugh btw..made my evening

[maj. tom]

[Habit7]

Wow, you have Bible manuscripts with pictures? Did you find it next to AdamB's Islamic Torah, Psalms and Gospel?

[djaggs]

I am trying to understand what you are saying about "only begotten" and fail to comprehend your point.

The original Greek manuscript uses the word "monogenes", this when literally translated means "only-born", i.e. sole, only child.

There is no error in this translation , it is in the original Greek manuscript. You have no point, the Chistian doctrine of only begotten is correct.

Almost every bible translation has that interpretation because it is in the original manuscript.

I am very sorry if you were offended by some of the scriptures I quoted, but I didnt write them, it is in the bible, it is what God intended us to hear , to warn us and to protect us. The bible is offensive, always has been. The religious folk were so offended by what Jesus said that they killed Him.

1 Peter 2:

6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame." 7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, "The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone," 8 and "A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense." They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
God spoke about changing the scriptures, it is forbidden. All translations come from the same source documents. Different publishers sometimes change the words slightly to make it easier to understand. I use several different translation but I always consult the original Greek and Hebrew language to make my understanding complete.

If the words of your prophet contradicts what is written in the bible, you have to ask yourself why. I leave that up to you.
Your Imams are lying to you, ask yourself why they are obsessed with discrediting the Bible. Why is it that muslims are buring Churches in Africa, why is it that in Iraq, there was an ancient community (the oldest surviving) of Christians who still spoke Aramaic, over 100,000 of them. There are now just a few hundred, if so many. Why is it that in Egypt, Christians are being slaughtered by the followers of the muslim brotherhood, and President Hussein (Obama) is sending weapons to these murderers. In syria, the same thing, under Assad Christians lived in peace, but under the Islamic revolution they are being slaughtered (Assad's govt was secular). Again,president Hussein is sending weapons to these rebels. In Pakistan the same story, Christians are persecuted, the women are raped and they have no recourse by law.

When a muslim country is run by a secular government, there is no persecution of Christians, but when Islamists take over the first thing they do is start killing Christians.
What kind of religion tells you to burn a Church with 200 women and children in it ??


The Bible is very correct in its warnings, Jesus said to us (the Church), Jesus said in
John16:
2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.

If you would like to take comparative look at the Quoran and the Bible, I have no problem I will be happy to do so. I am very confident in my understading of the Bible. But do not get angry if you do not like what you see.

I asked a question that no one has answered, what is the Islamic practice of Abrogation ?? If you dont know google it.

[djaggs]

Is pedophilia permitted in Islam ??? This is what an Islamic scholar says...