The Religion Discussion

[djaggs]

afaik, the 1st muslim (one who accepts with firm belief that there is ONE GOD) was Adam (as) and every single prophet after him till Muhammad (saws) preached the same oneness of God...so id say they were all muslim.

adam did not need faith.. or belief. God was there.. he KNEW God. trying to say islam is as old as adam? no.. dont even try it. there was no islam then.. there was only man and God. the knowledge of good and evil had not yet corrupted their pure minds.. thus there was no seperation of faith, there were no religions, there was no hypocrisy in their innocence. they did not need a book to teach them how to return to innocence they were already there. until the fall.

seriously? u just try to say islam was the first religion adam was a muslim? i mean seriously? is this what they teach in temple?

The God of Abraham and Moses is according to God Himself.....
Genesis 6:2,3
2 God spoke to Moshe; he said to him, "I am ADONAI. 3 I appeared to Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya'akov as El Shaddai, although I did not make myself known to them by my name, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI].

The name God called Himself to Moses , spelled YHVH, these are letters of the Hebrew alphabet, we pronounce YAHWEH, although strictly speaking it is unpronouncable. The Jews considered the name of God as being so Holy it could not be spoken. It translates as "the self existent one"

So if the God of Abraham is YHVH, Yahweh, how does Allah become their God too. Where does the name Allah come from ?

After some research, this is what I found:

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)


"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)


"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)


"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)


"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)


The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)



Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:


"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p.102)



Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:


The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p.31)



Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:

"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god". In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it dererves separate treatment" (Mohammad's Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, "Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)



Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)



According to Middle East scholar E.M.Wherry, whose translation of the Koran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabrück: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p.36).

"In ancient Arabia, the sun-god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah (op.cit., Islam, p.7)
"The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to the other titles that could be given to him.
"Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called 'the daughters of Allah'. These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

"The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities" (Robert Morey, The Islamic Invasion, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers, 1977, pp.50-51).

The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend records:

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Allah" (op.cit., I:61).


It is a well known fact archaeologically speaking that the cresent moon was the symbol of worship of the moon god both in Arabia and throughout the Middle East in pre-Islamic times. Archaeologists have excavated numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on the top of the head of the deity to symbolise the worship of the moon-god. Interestingly, whilst the moon was generally worshipped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.

In Mesopotamia the Sumerian god Nanna, named Sîn by the Akkadians, was worshipped in particular in Ur, where he was the chief god of the city, and also in the city of Harran in Syria, which had close religious links with Ur. The Ugaritic texts have shown that there a moon deity was worshipped under the name yrh. On the monuments the god is represented by the symbol of the crescent moon. At Hazor in Palestine a small Canaanite shrine of the late Bronze Age was discovered which contained a basalt stele depicting two hands lifted as if in prayer to a crescent moon, indicating that the shrine was dedicated to the moon god.

The worship of stellar deities, instead of Yahweh, was always a temptation faced by the Israelites (Dt.4:19; Jer.7:18; Am.5:26; Ac.7:43). But Yahweh is at the zennith of the heavens (Job 22:12).
"The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.
"The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant rôle in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.

"The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god" (op.cit., Morey, p.51).


History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess. We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?

It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed. It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca.

As we have seen, and as is acknowledged amongst all scholars of Middle Eastern religious history, the worship of the moon-god extended far beyond Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in moon-worship. The data falls neatly in place and we are able therefore to understand, in part, the early success Islam had amongst Arab groups that had traditionally worshipped Allak, the moon-god. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa, and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshipped as the moon-god in Mecca.

Educated Muslims understand these facts only too well - better, in fact, than most Christians. Robert Morey recalls a conversation he once had:

"During one trip to Washington DC I got involved in a conversation with a Muslim tax driver from Iran. When I asked him, 'Where did Islam obtain its symbol of the crescent moon?' he responded that it was an ancient pagan symbol used throughout the Middle East and that adopting this symbol had helped Muslims to convert people throughout the Middle East. When I pointed out that the word Allah itself was used by the moon-god cult in pre-Islamic Arabia, he agreed that this was the case. I then pointed out that the religion and the Quran of Muhammad could be explained in terms of pre-Islamic culture, customs, and religious ideas. He agreed with this! He went on to explain that he was a university-educated Muslim who, at this point in his life, was attempting to understand Islam from a scholarly viewpoint. As a result, he had lost his faith in Islam. The significance of the pre-Islamic source of the name Allah cannot be overestimated" (op.cit., pp.52-53).


After these historical facts, how can yu now say that Allah was the God of Abraham and Moses ???

[megadoc1]

Adam b is currently frothing at the mouth stand by for BOT response

[pioneer]

are u Pi?

[trini mk5]

^^

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Moses seems pretty harsh here

Numbers 31:13-18
King James Version (KJV)
13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[DFC]

Adam b is currently frothing at the mouth stand by for BOT response

are u Pi?

[rocknrolla]

ROFL^^

[Sacchetto Boutique]

djaggs, I feel sorry for you. Trying so hard to find information that will show people how bad islam is and you dont even realise that you are spreading hate by doing that. Hate toward muslims and to those who follow islam. I don't know how authentic your findings are because I am well aware that there are countless websites dedicated to spreading lies about islam. I did a google search and saw the websites you pulled information from such as http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-p ... origin.htm‎
You really expect anyone to just blindly believe what they read online without trying to verify the information?
here is a reply to what you posted if you wana reply on information from the internet without verification..
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html

I trust the website from Sheikh Yusuf Estes. He was a pastor who converted to islam and his explainations on many issues have been respected all over the world.

from his website:

Where Does the word "Allah" Come From?
"Allah" comes from the Arabic word "elah" - (Arabic) means 'a god' or something that is worshipped. This word (elah) can be made plural, as in "aleha" and it can be male or female. "Allah" comes from "elaha" but it brings more clarification and understanding.

Allah = Has no gender (not male and not female)
* "He" is used only out of respect and dignity - not for gender
Allah = Always singular - Never plural
* "We" is used only as the "Royal WE" just as in English for royalty
Allah =Means "The Only One to be Worshipped"

Is "Allah" only for Islam and Muslims?
"Allah" is the same word used by Christian and Jewish Arabs in the Bible, before Islam came.

On page one [1] of Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word "Allah" seventeen [17] times.

Check the arabic translation of the bible.

[Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version]
"In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . . "
[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]
"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic Bible]
[John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version]

"For God so loved the world, that . . . "
[John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]
"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "
[John 3:16 - Arabic Bible]
[Luke 1:30 - English Bible - King James Version]

" . . . Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God."
[Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]
" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."
[Luke 1:30 - Arabic Bible]

[Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version]
"the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."
[Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration]
"bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni Allahi."
[Luke 3:38 - Arabic Bible]

[Sacchetto Boutique]

And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. (Qur'an 41:37)

[MG Man]

*living a happy peaceful life, not believing on any of this god sh!t*

[Dizzy28]

*living a happy peaceful life, not believing on any of this god sh!t*

But wha yuh go do wen yuh ded?

[MG Man]

with any luck, stay dead

[rocknrolla]

cease to exist as tho he was never born i suppose. that thought gives him comfort. but not for long.. as one grows older and the will grows weaker in the ego the thoughts of the spirit come forth. one can only avoid thoughts of death for so long. there's no way anyone can defiantly disbelieve even down to as theyre dying. epiphanies usually occur during death. all mistakes become clear etc. i chose to face these thoughts at a young age, realizing that they cannot be avoided so might as well settle it early lol

[MG Man]

lol so you know what's in my head now?

[rocknrolla]

lol so you know what's in my head now?

no just common human psychology generalization on death. everyone's a badass until they undeniably meet what they have doubted for so long. but u right about one thing. if u dont want eternal life.. ur free will allows u to easily grant ur own wish. and if that's what u want who am i to tell u otherwise.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

cease to exist as tho he was never born i suppose. that thought gives him comfort. but not for long.. as one grows older and the will grows weaker in the ego the thoughts of the spirit come forth. one can only avoid thoughts of death for so long. there's no way anyone can defiantly disbelieve even down to as theyre dying. epiphanies usually occur during death. all mistakes become clear etc. i chose to face these thoughts at a young age, realizing that they cannot be avoided so might as well settle it early lol

epiphanies don't make it true though.

People cannot live without water, food, air, but many people live comfortably without prayer.

Where do we go when we die though? perhaps to the same place we were before we were born.

If worship to God is absolutely necessary in order to have eternal life after death, which belief should one adopt to ensure they go to heaven when they die? Just which ever one feels right?

[Chimera]

i'm sure this was posted somewhere in last 490 pages

still funny though


The Situation in Hell
Essays
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different Religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh my God."
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A."

[MG Man]

lol so you know what's in my head now?

no just common human psychology generalization on death. everyone's a badass until they undeniably meet what they have doubted for so long. but u right about one thing. if u dont want eternal life.. ur free will allows u to easily grant ur own wish. and if that's what u want who am i to tell u otherwise.

again sir you are incorrect
Dawkins looked forward to the moment of his passing, and hoped that he would be alert to experience whatever it feels like to die. I can only hope for the same. I do not fear death. There have been two moments in my life when for a moment, certain death seemed imminent. On neither moment was I filled with fear, regret, anxiety, panic etc. On the first occasion, my though twas 'lawd ah wonder who goin an explain to mih mother why dey had tuh scrape me off de highway'
On the second moment, my thought was 'hmm, this gonna be interesting'
Rather than fear death, I've tried to tie up as many loose ends as I can, so that those I leave behind are not stuck with legal bills etc.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

it have no backtracking. u attempted to allude to say adam was a muslim.. to which the ramifications would cite islam as being the first religion.

"so id say they were all muslim" - this statement didnt include adam too although u called his name just before that?

Was it the same God Adam submitted to, that Muhammad submitted too?

read below. Muslims believe that every soul is a Muslim and every baby is born as a Muslim

The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)
Islam is the religion of all Prophets, Adam to Muhammad. Children are not born out of any sin, original, inherited or derived. They are born on the religion of their nature, i.e., Islam.

RECOGNITION OF ALLAH

The question which arises here is, "How can all people be expected to believe in Allah given their varying- backgrounds, societies and cultures? For people to be responsible for worshipping Allah they all have to have access to knowledge of Allah. The final revelation teaches that all mankind have the recognition of Allah imprinted on their souls, a part of their very nature with which they are created.

In Soorah Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not your Lord? To which they all replied, " Yes, we testify to It:'

Allah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He is their creator and only true God worthy of worship. He said, "That was In case you (mankind) should say on the day of Resurrection, "Verily we were unaware of all this." That is to say, we had no idea that You Allah, were our God. No one told us that we were only supposed to worship You alone. Allah went on to explain That it was also In case you should say, "Certainly It was our ancestors who made partners (With Allah) and we are only their descendants; will You then destroy us for what those liars did?" Thus, every child is born with a natural belief in Allah and an inborn inclination to worship Him alone called in Arabic the "Fitrah".

If the child were left alone, he would worship Allah in his own way, but all children are affected by those things around them, seen or unseen.

The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?" (Collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim).
So, just as the child submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, his soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is his Lord and Creator. But, his parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion. (By Abu Ameena Bilal Phillips )

which is also why Muslim don't believe in original sin as Christians do.

[megadoc1]

djaggs, I feel sorry for you. Trying so hard to find information that will show people how bad islam is and you dont even realise that you are spreading hate by doing that. Hate toward muslims and to those who follow islam.

so is not hate when you go spreading misinformation that the bile is corrupted? even though you have no proof of such and in light of the Qur'an saying it is indeed legit? shame on you ,may Allah forgive your blasphemy

I trust the website from Sheikh Yusuf Estes. He was a pastor who converted to islam and his explainations on many issues have been respected all over the world.

lol... let me get this straight, when this man was a pastor you never took him seriously nor give any merit because he was a pastor but now that he converted to islam he is important or he means something and is considered valuable to you because he was a pastor? .....sounds legit!
how can you consider him to be "strong in Christianity" if you claimed "he converted because he had doubts"? that really makes more sense to you?...what about the many muslims that converted to christianity and became pastors? do they still mean anything to you? do you think they were strong Muslims? if this is how you determine truth I am sorry for you

[AdamB]

Megadoc,
AdamB has a life...one that includes the worship of the ONE TRUE GOD, ALLAH, and as SB said it's there in the Arabic Bible. So, is your GOD the father, alsdo the Moon God? Ignorance, I tell you...

Duane,
You forgot to quote from the Bible of Djaggs and Megadoc and Habit7, instructions on how to ABUSE AND RAPE ONE'S SISTER!!
Is this attributable to the "god of the Bible" Habit7?

[AdamB]

These jokers, sorry christians, on this thread don't even know who were the Jews, where and from which person in the bible they originated.

The Quran is clear - "ABRAHAM WAS NEITHER A JEW NOR A CHRISTIAN, HE WAS A MAN WHO JOINED NOT gods with ALLAH (THE ONE TRUE GOD)".

If you look for and desire the truth (with sincerity), with the help of GOD you may find it but if you look for and desire falsehood, then YOU WILL FIND WHAT YOU DESIRE!!

[rocknrolla]

i'm sure this was posted somewhere in last 490 pages

still funny though


The Situation in Hell
Essays
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different Religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh my God."
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A."

roffflll

[rocknrolla]

lol so you know what's in my head now?

no just common human psychology generalization on death. everyone's a badass until they undeniably meet what they have doubted for so long. but u right about one thing. if u dont want eternal life.. ur free will allows u to easily grant ur own wish. and if that's what u want who am i to tell u otherwise.

again sir you are incorrect
Dawkins looked forward to the moment of his passing, and hoped that he would be alert to experience whatever it feels like to die. I can only hope for the same. I do not fear death. There have been two moments in my life when for a moment, certain death seemed imminent. On neither moment was I filled with fear, regret, anxiety, panic etc. On the first occasion, my though twas 'lawd ah wonder who goin an explain to mih mother why dey had tuh scrape me off de highway'
On the second moment, my thought was 'hmm, this gonna be interesting'
Rather than fear death, I've tried to tie up as many loose ends as I can, so that those I leave behind are not stuck with legal bills etc.

i hear u man.. the world is black and white with no shades of grey.

[megadoc1]

Megadoc,
AdamB has a life...one that includes the worship of the ONE TRUE GOD, ALLAH,

Mr obvious? but how you know Allah is the one true God?

and as SB said it's there in the Arabic Bible. So, is your GOD the father, alsdo the Moon God? Ignorance, I tell you...

is this the un tampered one? the one habit has been asking you to produce? or is it for convenience just for you to say there is no perfect way to translate it into english?..lol

Duane,
You forgot to quote from the Bible of Djaggs and Megadoc and Habit7, instructions on how to ABUSE AND RAPE ONE'S SISTER!!
Is this attributable to the "god of the Bible" Habit7?

why not post what it says and while you at it post from the un tampered version so we can compare and adress but in the mean time why not respond to Djaggs?

These jokers, sorry christians, on this thread don't even know who were the Jews, where and from which person in the bible they originated.

what provoked you to conclude such? or is this another attempt to distract so that you don't have to respond to Djaggs?

The Quran is clear - "ABRAHAM WAS NEITHER A JEW NOR A CHRISTIAN, HE WAS A MAN WHO JOINED NOT gods with ALLAH (THE ONE TRUE GOD)".

ok I had a mango tree that spawned apples so doh beat up

[MG Man]

lol so you know what's in my head now?

no just common human psychology generalization on death. everyone's a badass until they undeniably meet what they have doubted for so long. but u right about one thing. if u dont want eternal life.. ur free will allows u to easily grant ur own wish. and if that's what u want who am i to tell u otherwise.

again sir you are incorrect
Dawkins looked forward to the moment of his passing, and hoped that he would be alert to experience whatever it feels like to die. I can only hope for the same. I do not fear death. There have been two moments in my life when for a moment, certain death seemed imminent. On neither moment was I filled with fear, regret, anxiety, panic etc. On the first occasion, my though twas 'lawd ah wonder who goin an explain to mih mother why dey had tuh scrape me off de highway'
On the second moment, my thought was 'hmm, this gonna be interesting'
Rather than fear death, I've tried to tie up as many loose ends as I can, so that those I leave behind are not stuck with legal bills etc.

i hear u man.. the world is black and white with no shades of grey.

lots of grey, but you sir, are Mr Black and White, since you have concluded ALL of us will fear death as we get older yadda yadda yadda

[Sacchetto Boutique]

then do the research urself megadoc, look for the arabic translation of the bible...the word GOD is translated as ALLAH so if anyone believes that Allah is a moon god, then it means they also believe that The God of Abraham is the Moon god ...simple logic

[Chimera]

[rocknrolla]

lol so you know what's in my head now?

no just common human psychology generalization on death. everyone's a badass until they undeniably meet what they have doubted for so long. but u right about one thing. if u dont want eternal life.. ur free will allows u to easily grant ur own wish. and if that's what u want who am i to tell u otherwise.

again sir you are incorrect
Dawkins looked forward to the moment of his passing, and hoped that he would be alert to experience whatever it feels like to die. I can only hope for the same. I do not fear death. There have been two moments in my life when for a moment, certain death seemed imminent. On neither moment was I filled with fear, regret, anxiety, panic etc. On the first occasion, my though twas 'lawd ah wonder who goin an explain to mih mother why dey had tuh scrape me off de highway'
On the second moment, my thought was 'hmm, this gonna be interesting'
Rather than fear death, I've tried to tie up as many loose ends as I can, so that those I leave behind are not stuck with legal bills etc.

i hear u man.. the world is black and white with no shades of grey.

lots of grey, but you sir, are Mr Black and White, since you have concluded ALL of us will fear death as we get older yadda yadda yadda

u still have time.. lol. ppl's views change during the course of their lifetime. im not trying to be right. i already said u can 'do ur do'. does not bother me what u do. or what u believe. but if u believe in a black abyss of non existence after death then u just might have created ur own self fulfilling prophecy. that is if belief systems have anything to do with how the universe works.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

if u believe in a black abyss of non existence after death then u just might have created ur own self fulfilling prophecy. that is if belief systems have anything to do with how the universe works.

what does that even mean?

you are being incoherent with almost every post.