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mamoo_pagal wrote: come on bluey lets no go down that road, else ppl will start posting Christians worshiping toast with Jesus face and Muslims chanting Allah's praises while beheading someone. Let your common sense kick in and not mischeviousness...........smh. We already have a nutbag for that in the thread!
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:exactly that, Darwin, like Galileo, had to be very particular about what they say and how they say it since the Church and State were one and the same. Blaspheme or seem to be overly liberal and you get thrown in a dungeon or worst.bluefete wrote:
Darwin was a product of his time and thinking. "Savage people" according to the European definition were not supposed to survive evolution.
There were preconceptions to deal with.
Talking about Savage people: neanderthals didn't survive either.
?????bluefete wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote: come on bluey lets no go down that road, else ppl will start posting Christians worshiping toast with Jesus face and Muslims chanting Allah's praises while beheading someone. Let your common sense kick in and not mischeviousness...........smh. We already have a nutbag for that in the thread!
It's not mischievousness. I am trying to show how people can see variations of God in different things.
I am aware that some Christians see God / Jesus similarly.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ if the entire "church" goes astray for "seasons" at a time and reformation is needed to "be led back to the truth of the Bible", who decides what is the "truth of the Bible"?
Should everything in the bible be taken literally?
Wow Duane...Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:exactly that, Darwin, like Galileo, had to be very particular about what they say and how they say it since the Church and State were one and the same. Blaspheme or seem to be overly liberal and you get thrown in a dungeon or worst.bluefete wrote:
Darwin was a product of his time and thinking. "Savage people" according to the European definition were not supposed to survive evolution.
There were preconceptions to deal with.
djaggs wrote:Geez, I giving you all red apples and you telling me it green. The Bible is not corrupt, corrupt men entered the church because satan is trying to destroy the church.
Satan has agents. The Church is still the redemptive arm of God thats why millions of people are still coming to the Lord every year.
Mathew 16..says
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
Even though Satan is trying to destroy the Church, God said that hell shall not prevail against the Church.
Let me give you another passage with another warning, this tme about the anti Christ, the devil.
1 John 2:18-27
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us--eternal life. 26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
According to God's messenger John, vs 22,23 anyone who says God has no son is the anti christ. The anti christ is trying to destroy the church, he said the antichrist is coming and many have already come. Under Roman rule the Christians were slaughtered by the millions, but the Church continued to grow because God has a priniciple whereby whenever the Church is persecuted he increases its numbers many times over. In Africa today, the African Church is the fastest growing Church in the world and it is also the most persecuted. Militants are attacking and burning Churches in Africa killing Christians yet it is growing phenomenally.
If we heeded the warnings given, satan would not have been able to do the kind damage that he has done.People would not fall for the lies and deceitfulness of the Devil who has inflicted great hardship upon the world because of his lies.
Galatians 1...
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
We are warned that if even an angel comes to someone and preaches another Gospel other than that which was written by the apostles that that that person is accursed and should be avoided.
And again, because apparently some of us didnt read this earlier quote:
Revelations 22:18-20
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
djaggs wrote:With regards to the anti christ, we can look at more recent history, Smyrna, a Christian city also mentioned in the bible here:
Revelations 2:8-10
8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,'These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: 9 I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Smyrna existed up until the 20th Century. It was a bustling thriving Metropolis sometimes called the jewel of the meditterranean. However, the city was burned by the Islamic Ottoman turks and its Christian Armenian inhabitants fled, over 2 million of them. They were pursued by the Turks and systematically raped and slaughtered, Hitler got the idea for the final soloution (the holocaust) from this event. Over 1.5 million Armenian Christians were slaughetered. Hitler started of by using machine guns like the Turks did but later found more efficient means to accomplish his mission. See video below:
Who wrote 2 Corinthians? Was it authorized and approved by GOD?bluefete wrote:AdamB wrote: Yaumul-Qiyaamah means the day of judgment. Literally Qiyaamah means standing, for that day is when we all will be resurrected and will be STANDING before our LORD awaiting judgment.
2 Corinthians 5:10
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
mamoo_pagal wrote:bluefete wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote: come on bluey lets no go down that road, else ppl will start posting Christians worshiping toast with Jesus face and Muslims chanting Allah's praises while beheading someone. Let your common sense kick in and not mischeviousness...........smh. We already have a nutbag for that in the thread!
It's not mischievousness. I am trying to show how people can see variations of God in different things.
I am aware that some Christians see God / Jesus similarly.
Probably you do...........but others don't. There is where the unnecessary comes in.
AdamB wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote:bluefete wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote: come on bluey lets no go down that road, else ppl will start posting Christians worshiping toast with Jesus face and Muslims chanting Allah's praises while beheading someone. Let your common sense kick in and not mischeviousness...........smh. We already have a nutbag for that in the thread!
It's not mischievousness. I am trying to show how people can see variations of God in different things.
I am aware that some Christians see God / Jesus similarly.
Probably you do...........but others don't. There is where the unnecessary comes in.
No one has seen GOD, get over it. And I'm certain HE doesn't look like the inside of a BHAIGAN!!
AdamB wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote:bluefete wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote: come on bluey lets no go down that road, else ppl will start posting Christians worshiping toast with Jesus face and Muslims chanting Allah's praises while beheading someone. Let your common sense kick in and not mischeviousness...........smh. We already have a nutbag for that in the thread!
It's not mischievousness. I am trying to show how people can see variations of God in different things.
I am aware that some Christians see God / Jesus similarly.
Probably you do...........but others don't. There is where the unnecessary comes in.
No one has seen GOD, get over it. And I'm certain HE doesn't look like the inside of a BHAIGAN!!
AdamB wrote:^^^LOL. Man want proof that GOD doesn't look like a bhaigan!!
What happened to the "Burden of Proof" established on this thread? The burden is on the claimant!
mamoo_pagal wrote:AdamB wrote:^^^LOL. Man want proof that GOD doesn't look like a bhaigan!!
What happened to the "Burden of Proof" established on this thread? The burden is on the claimant!
once more comprehension not your strong point, unless you can't regurgitate some rhetoric you can't comment on anything. You said more than than the comment of the bhaigan, read gain what you wrote, but too much for you to understand.........or you can't backup the junk u post!
AdamB wrote:It's interesting to note that you quote from John and Revelation as well as other unauthorized books from the New Testament. Who authored and approved of these books which outline your innovated, corrupt, belief system?
djaggs wrote:AdamB wrote:It's interesting to note that you quote from John and Revelation as well as other unauthorized books from the New Testament. Who authored and approved of these books which outline your innovated, corrupt, belief system?
CERTAINLY NOT JESUS!! It exceeds the limits set by GOD in Commandment #1 (check Exodus 23 in Old Testament).
Jesus chose 12 men who Job it was to establish the foundation of the Church. They lived with Jesus, ate with Him, slept with them. He gave them the authority to represent Him. The authority to speak on His behalf. They were authorised by God. Their writing were also authorised by God...
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Those scriptures were written during the lifetime of the Apostles, John died at the age of 80 on the Isle of Patmos where he wrote the book of Revelations, it has more authority than anything written 700 years later by people who never met Jesus, or spoke with Him, or never performed a single miracle or indication that they were sent by God. If you want to take this further I can.
AdamB wrote:djaggs wrote:AdamB wrote:It's interesting to note that you quote from John and Revelation as well as other unauthorized books from the New Testament. Who authored and approved of these books which outline your innovated, corrupt, belief system?
CERTAINLY NOT JESUS!! It exceeds the limits set by GOD in Commandment #1 (check Exodus 23 in Old Testament).
Jesus chose 12 men who Job it was to establish the foundation of the Church. They lived with Jesus, ate with Him, slept with them. He gave them the authority to represent Him. The authority to speak on His behalf. They were authorised by God. Their writing were also authorised by God...
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Those scriptures were written during the lifetime of the Apostles, John died at the age of 80 on the Isle of Patmos where he wrote the book of Revelations, it has more authority than anything written 700 years later by people who never met Jesus, or spoke with Him, or never performed a single miracle or indication that they were sent by God. If you want to take this further I can.
Well, according to what you quoted, then the Quran was sent by inspiration of GOD and WAS REVEALED FOR CORRECTION OF THE INNOVATED MISGUIDED BIBLE.
The Quran is unequalled when it comes to righteousness.
Habit7 wrote:Who was the first Muslim? Muhammad, Moses or Abraham and Jacob?
djaggs wrote:AdamB wrote:djaggs wrote:AdamB wrote:It's interesting to note that you quote from John and Revelation as well as other unauthorized books from the New Testament. Who authored and approved of these books which outline your innovated, corrupt, belief system?
CERTAINLY NOT JESUS!! It exceeds the limits set by GOD in Commandment #1 (check Exodus 23 in Old Testament).
Jesus chose 12 men who Job it was to establish the foundation of the Church. They lived with Jesus, ate with Him, slept with them. He gave them the authority to represent Him. The authority to speak on His behalf. They were authorised by God. Their writing were also authorised by God...
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Those scriptures were written during the lifetime of the Apostles, John died at the age of 80 on the Isle of Patmos where he wrote the book of Revelations, it has more authority than anything written 700 years later by people who never met Jesus, or spoke with Him, or never performed a single miracle or indication that they were sent by God. If you want to take this further I can.
Well, according to what you quoted, then the Quran was sent by inspiration of GOD and WAS REVEALED FOR CORRECTION OF THE INNOVATED MISGUIDED BIBLE.
The Quran is unequalled when it comes to righteousness.
Well I also quoted:
"22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. "
Does your "prophet " believe in the Son of God ??
AdamB wrote:Habit7 wrote:Who was the first Muslim? Muhammad, Moses or Abraham and Jacob?
Define muslim and I'll answer.
Who was the first Jew and Christian?
Was Abraham a jew or christian?
bluefete wrote:AdamB wrote:Habit7 wrote:Who was the first Muslim? Muhammad, Moses or Abraham and Jacob?
Define muslim and I'll answer.
Who was the first Jew and Christian?
Was Abraham a jew or christian?
Were there Muslims before Muhammed? If yes, where did there belief start.
Abraham was a Jew. He had 2 sons - Ishmael and Isaac.
Ishmael was cast out and founded what we call Islam today.
Isaac continued the Jewish line.
AdamB wrote:djaggs wrote:AdamB wrote:djaggs wrote:AdamB wrote:It's interesting to note that you quote from John and Revelation as well as other unauthorized books from the New Testament. Who authored and approved of these books which outline your innovated, corrupt, belief system?
CERTAINLY NOT JESUS!! It exceeds the limits set by GOD in Commandment #1 (check Exodus 23 in Old Testament).
Jesus chose 12 men who Job it was to establish the foundation of the Church. They lived with Jesus, ate with Him, slept with them. He gave them the authority to represent Him. The authority to speak on His behalf. They were authorised by God. Their writing were also authorised by God...
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Those scriptures were written during the lifetime of the Apostles, John died at the age of 80 on the Isle of Patmos where he wrote the book of Revelations, it has more authority than anything written 700 years later by people who never met Jesus, or spoke with Him, or never performed a single miracle or indication that they were sent by God. If you want to take this further I can.
Well, according to what you quoted, then the Quran was sent by inspiration of GOD and WAS REVEALED FOR CORRECTION OF THE INNOVATED MISGUIDED BIBLE.
The Quran is unequalled when it comes to righteousness.
Well I also quoted:
"22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. "
Does your "prophet " believe in the Son of God ??
Do you mean the "Son-GOD" or the "Sun-GOD"?
My "prophet" is dead, he is in his grave. When he was alive, he believed in GOD. FULL STOP. OUR GOD has no son, no wife, no daughter, no father, no partner (in worship or lordship). These are concepts of old pagan beliefs which have crept into Christianity and other religions.
Tell me, why does your "god" need a son? If HE could have a son, then why not more than one? Why not daughters too?
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