The Religion Discussion

[AdamB]

Speaking of evidence, you want to provide that untampered, Islamic Torah, Psalms and Gospel that affirms Islam?

Why don't you examine your bible to see if the Old Testament affirms the New Testament WITHOUT CHANGING the meaning of the Old Testament?

[AdamB]

muslims are delusional and will always be.

they will deny it and hence they are delusional

U does give off real terrorist vibes

look at the post above this one...now you know why!

[rocknrolla]

debating with someone who would insult their own faith to stay 'right'. and deny the truth accepted in their own faith as true because it would make them look wrong is futile.

when adam goes to his imam and ask if God gave iblis supreme ruler of the earth status temporarily (all now). then he will run to temple and beg forgiveness from Allah for his foolishness.

not realising by insulting the belief of another faith which carries the same belief as his own will be his excuse.. because he didnt know! will he come back and admit his wrong, we can only wait and see. but the damage is done. all the insults hurled at christianity now fall back on islam. all his doing and his doing alone.

[Habit7]

Speaking of evidence, you want to provide that untampered, Islamic Torah, Psalms and Gospel that affirms Islam?

Why don't you examine your bible to see if the Old Testament affirms the New Testament WITHOUT CHANGING the meaning of the Old Testament?

Isaiah 52:13-15 and Isaiah 53, Bible scholars call this the 5th Gospel.

but I digress,

Present your untampered Bible, you cannot say something is tampered without presenting the original?

[rocknrolla]

untampered would mean.. unchanged if im correct.

'the satanic verses' which were included by the Prophet Muhammad were later removed from the quran.. suggests changing/tampering to me.

[moti]

muslims are delusional and will always be.

they will deny it and hence they are delusional

Doesn't your wife (a hindu) deny your religion (christianity) and vice versa?

So who's delusional now?

she's not hindu anymore dude

and until you don't answer my question that was posted earlier in the thread, what you have to say really don't count.

[rocknrolla]

muslims are delusional and will always be.

they will deny it and hence they are delusional

Doesn't your wife (a hindu) deny your religion (christianity) and vice versa?

So who's delusional now?

she's not hindu anymore dude

and until you don't answer my question that was posted earlier in the thread, what you have to say really don't count.

his aim was to sow discord between u and ur wife. he cannot comprehend how 2 different religions can find peace within eachother's embrace. it is an envy! nothing less.

i wonder if he even realises how similar the story of creation is in the christian bible to the quran. and that the quran itself recognizes many persons named in the bible.. such as moses and.. Jesus!

heavily lacking and undeserving in knowledge.. yet clinging to the claim of leadership. it is a grab at material power. power over men.. an illusion.

[Habit7]

[Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (the Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. (6:114-1115)



Where is this Torah and Gospel than cannot change that affirms Islam?

[mamoo_pagal]

AdamB's 'Netiquette' was a topic discussed before when Dspike was in the discussion. Using caps, bold, and bright colours makes him feel dominant and hence his uses of it. He cannot argue without the use of them. He is incapable of having a calm discussion with only normal size font, and normal colours.

it is online intimidation, sticking to the "stigma" that is associated with Islamist.......he is just proving the stigma. Notice how he can casually make fun of other belief systems (in particular Christianity) but if anyone pokes fun of his (not that anyone will), well, he will go all "allahu akbar" on us. As I pointed out many moons before there is no room in muslims for humility.

There are many along with you two who don't bring any real substance to this "religion" discussion but you like to stick around and upset the current discussions by poking/jumping in when others are involved in a line of discussion.

Can you see the future, mamoo?

really??? From what I know some of the questions I posed to you never answered. You claimed it is because you don't have time to waste, but as evidence shows you just can't answer them, as well as many others. How about you go back and answer the question concerning the corruption of the bible, mega and myself asked very similar questions and yet to get a response. Atleast be honest with yourself, you spew the same junk over and over, just as you learnt it.

It is an ONLINE discussion, on a PUBLIC forum, where ANYONE can read and have an INPUT. If you want a a discussion where you and whoever can have one on one discussions (uninterrupted), that is where the PM function comes in, please learn to use the forum. Oh please don't delude yourself, we are still waiting for some "real substance" from you, not the call center loop you are stuck in. Some people has been in this thread way longer than you have and see the same rhetoric over and over again........pointless rebuttal of preconceived notions. Again go back to page one of this thread and read what op intended this thread to be............your best contribution was from yasalama, bring her back.

You're free to contribute and have your opinion but quite often, if not always, the intention is not to discuss but just to interject, to upset the discussion.
it upsets your discussion as flaws in your argument are pointed out. Deal with it!!!!!!

GOD intended this world not to be what it has become. That is not HIS fault, it is ours! It's what we choose to do with our free will.
It's what we make it, not just what it was intended to be, just like this thread.
you can't even realize that you contradicted yourself right here do you...

Has not even the name been changed?

[DFC]

Adam b, do you know of Pret Met Mohammed?

Muslim dude on my fb going all jihad over it.

http://pretmetmohammed.wordpress.com/20 ... -religion/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pret-met-Mohammed/

[AdamB]

muslims are delusional and will always be.

they will deny it and hence they are delusional

Doesn't your wife (a hindu) deny your religion (christianity) and vice versa?

So who's delusional now?

she's not hindu anymore dude

and until you don't answer my question that was posted earlier in the thread, what you have to say really don't count.

good to hear that. Is she christian, muslim, atheist or otherwise now?

Oh please repost your question.

[AdamB]

Adam b, do you know of Pret Met Mohammed?

Muslim dude on my fb going all jihad over it.

http://pretmetmohammed.wordpress.com/20 ... -religion/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pret-met-Mohammed/

sorry but no. don't have the time to waste in things that are of no benefit in this life and more importantly the hereafter.

I choose to not allow people full of garbage to dump their load on me.

Cheers.

[AdamB]

Mamoo,

It might SEEM so to you. The problem is not with what I said but with your deficiency in understanding the difference between the Universal and Legislative Will of GOD.

It's a common mistake among Christians in particular, that's why they say the Devil is in control here.

Muslims know better ie GOD is in control of everything. HE permits whatever HE wills to occur but not without wisdom and justice.

Deal with it! LOL.

[rocknrolla]

by God's will and wisdom, he permit the devil to be ruler of the earth. thus according to the quran. Devil is currently assigned ruler of the earth until the time of revelation when the teacher comes.

[AdamB]

[Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (the Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. (6:114-1115)



Where is this Torah and Gospel than cannot change that affirms Islam?

Again, from tafsir ibn Kathir 6:114-117 Let us examine the correct meaning of the verses:

(114. ﴿Say:﴾ "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book, explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.) (115. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.) Allah tells His Prophet to say to these polytheists who worship others besides Allah,

﴿أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِى حَكَماً﴾

(Shall I seek a judge other than Allah...) between you and I,

﴿وَهُوَ الَّذِى أَنَزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَـبَ مُفَصَّلاً﴾

(while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book, explained...) in detail,

﴿وَالَّذِينَ ءَاتَيْنَـهُمُ الْكِتَـبَ﴾

(and those unto whom We gave the Scripture) the Jews and the Christians,

﴿يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ﴾

(know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth.) because the previous Prophets have conveyed the good news of you coming to them. Allah's statement,

﴿فَلاَ تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ﴾

(So be not you of those who doubt.) is similar to His other statement,

﴿فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَـبَ مِن قَبْلِكَ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلاَ تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ ﴾

(So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it).) ﴿10:94﴾ The conditional `if' in this Ayah does not mean that `doubt' will ever occur to the Prophet . Allah said,

﴿وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَةُ رَبِّكَ صِدْقاً وَعَدْلاً﴾

(And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice.) Qatadah commented, "In truth concerning what He stated and in justice concerning what He decided.'' Surely, whatever Allah says is the truth and He is Most Just in what He commands. All of Allah's statements are true, there is no doubt or cause for speculation about this fact, and all His commandments are pure justice, besides which there is no justice. All that He forbade is evil, for He only forbids what brings about evil consequences. Allah said in another Ayah,

﴿يَأْمُرُهُم بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَـهُمْ عَنِ الْمُنْكَرِ﴾

(He commands them with good; and forbids them from evil...) ﴿7:157﴾ until the end of the Ayah.

﴿لاَ مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَـتِهِ﴾

(None can change His Words.) meaning, none can avert Allah's judgment whether in this life or the Hereafter,

﴿وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ﴾

(And He is the All-Hearer,) Hearing, His servants' statements,

﴿الْعَلِيمُ﴾

(The All-Knower.) of their activities and lack of activity, Who awards each according to their deeds.

﴿وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِى الاٌّرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلاَّ الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلاَّ يَخْرُصُونَ - إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ مَن يَضِلُّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ ﴾

(116. And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's path. They follow nothing but conjecture, and they do nothing but lie.) (117. Verily, your Lord! It is He Who knows best who strays from His way, and He knows best the rightly guided.)]


Most People are Misguided

Allah states that most of the people of the earth, are misguided. Allah said in other Ayat,

﴿وَلَقَدْ ضَلَّ قَبْلَهُمْ أَكْثَرُ الاٌّوَّلِينَ ﴾

(And indeed most of the men of old went astray before them.) ﴿37:71﴾ and,

﴿وَمَآ أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ وَلَوْ حَرَصْتَ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ ﴾

(And most of mankind will not believe even if you eagerly desire it.)﴿12:103﴾ They are misguided, yet they have doubts about their way, and they rely on wishful thinking and delusions.

﴿إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلاَّ الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلاَّ يَخْرُصُونَ﴾

(They follow nothing but conjecture, and they do nothing but lie.) Thus, they fulfill Allah's decree and decision concerning them,

﴿هُوَ أَعْلَمُ مَن يَضِلُّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ﴾

(It is He Who knows best who strays from His way.) and facilitates that for him,

﴿وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ﴾

(And He knows best the rightly guided.) He facilitates that for them, all of them are facilitated for what He created them.

[AdamB]

by God's will and wisdom, he permit the devil to be ruler of the earth. thus according to the quran. Devil is currently assigned ruler of the earth until the time of revelation when the teacher comes.

post your proof!! enough with the ole talk and christian misguided concepts...

[mamoo_pagal]

Mamoo,

. The problem is not with what I said but with your deficiency in understanding the difference between the Universal and Legislative Will of GOD.
oh, what is the difference here?

It's a common mistake among Christians in particular, that's why they say the Devil is in control here.

Muslims know better ie GOD is in control of everything. HE permits whatever HE wills to occur but not without wisdom and justice.It might SEEM so to you

Deal with it! LOL.

again respond to what was posted before, yawn, but u never can. There is nothing to deal with, as I said before, junk!

[Habit7]

So...

Where is this Torah, Psalms and Gospel that Muhammad alludes to?

[DFC]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (one of the boston bombers) say that he and his brother were "Defending Islam"

So how come so much muslims all over the world are defending the "Religion of Peace" with bombs?

[AdamB]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (one of the boston bombers) say that he and his brother were "Defending Islam"

So how come so much muslims all over the world are defending the "Religion of Peace" with bombs?

So the US, UN, France, etc are all muslims?

[MG Man]

muslims are delusional and will always be.

they will deny it and hence they are delusional

U does give off real terrorist vibes

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
you really are a moron, you know that?

[AdamB]

muslims are delusional and will always be.

they will deny it and hence they are delusional

U does give off real terrorist vibes

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
you really are a moron, you know that?

MoronMan,
Re-examine the quote...everyone is delusional because everyone will deny that they are delusional...

Nonsense from Moti lacking substance.

[DFC]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (one of the boston bombers) say that he and his brother were "Defending Islam"

So how come so much muslims all over the world are defending the "Religion of Peace" with bombs?

So the US, UN, France, etc are all muslims?

US- 9/11 Osama Bin Laden
UK- 7/7 "On the morning of Thursday, 7 July 2005, four Islamist home-grown terrorists detonated four bombs, three in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square. Fifty-two civilians and the four bombers were killed in the attacks, and over 700 more were injured."

France- The 1995 bombings in France were carried out by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), who were broadening the Algerian Civil War to France. In total, these attacks killed eight and injured more than 100.


Yes, they were all Muslim


Date: Details (#of fatalities)
23 Nov 2006: multiple car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (202)
22 Jan 2007: multiple bombings in Baghdad area, Iraq (101)
3 Feb 2007: truck bombing in market place in Baghdad, Iraq (137)
6 Mar 2007: two bombings and other attacks on pilgrims, Hilla, Iraq (137)
27 Mar 2007: two truck bombings in Tal Afar, Iraq (152)
18 Apr 2007: bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (193)
3-10 Jul 2007: hostage taking and subsequent storming of mosque in Islamabad, Pakistan (102)
7 Jul 2007: bombings in Baghdad and Armili, Iraq (182)
14 Aug 2007: multiple truck bombings in Al-Qataniyah and Al-Adnaniyah, Iraq (520)
18 Oct 2007: bombing of motorcade in Karachi, Pakistan (137)
17 Feb 2008: bombing at dogfighting festival in Kandahar, Afghanistan (105)
26-29 Nov 2008: multiple gun and grenade attacks and hostage takings in Mumbai, India (174)
19 Aug 2009: multiple bombings at government sites in Baghdad, Iraq (102)
25 Oct 2009: two vehicle bombings at government buildings in Baghdad, Iraq (155)
28 Oct 2009: bombing at marketplace in Pakistan (118)
8 Dec 2009: five car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (127)
10 May 2010: multiple bombings in Hilla, Basra, al-Suwayra, and other cities, Iraq (102)

[Sacchetto Boutique]

muslims are delusional and will always be.

they will deny it and hence they are delusional

U does give off real terrorist vibes

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
you really are a moron, you know that?

thats your opinion...Allah is the supreme judge of me and everyone and everything and there is still hope for you yet
...smile..its sunnah!!

[Habit7]

Sacchetto Boutique can we ever be friends?

[metalgear2095]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (one of the boston bombers) say that he and his brother were "Defending Islam"

So how come so much muslims all over the world are defending the "Religion of Peace" with bombs?

So the US, UN, France, etc are all muslims?

US- 9/11 Osama Bin Laden
UK- 7/7 "On the morning of Thursday, 7 July 2005, four Islamist home-grown terrorists detonated four bombs, three in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square. Fifty-two civilians and the four bombers were killed in the attacks, and over 700 more were injured."

France- The 1995 bombings in France were carried out by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), who were broadening the Algerian Civil War to France. In total, these attacks killed eight and injured more than 100.


Yes, they were all Muslim


Date: Details (#of fatalities)
23 Nov 2006: multiple car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (202)
22 Jan 2007: multiple bombings in Baghdad area, Iraq (101)
3 Feb 2007: truck bombing in market place in Baghdad, Iraq (137)
6 Mar 2007: two bombings and other attacks on pilgrims, Hilla, Iraq (137)
27 Mar 2007: two truck bombings in Tal Afar, Iraq (152)
18 Apr 2007: bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (193)
3-10 Jul 2007: hostage taking and subsequent storming of mosque in Islamabad, Pakistan (102)
7 Jul 2007: bombings in Baghdad and Armili, Iraq (182)
14 Aug 2007: multiple truck bombings in Al-Qataniyah and Al-Adnaniyah, Iraq (520)
18 Oct 2007: bombing of motorcade in Karachi, Pakistan (137)
17 Feb 2008: bombing at dogfighting festival in Kandahar, Afghanistan (105)
26-29 Nov 2008: multiple gun and grenade attacks and hostage takings in Mumbai, India (174)
19 Aug 2009: multiple bombings at government sites in Baghdad, Iraq (102)
25 Oct 2009: two vehicle bombings at government buildings in Baghdad, Iraq (155)
28 Oct 2009: bombing at marketplace in Pakistan (118)
8 Dec 2009: five car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (127)
10 May 2010: multiple bombings in Hilla, Basra, al-Suwayra, and other cities, Iraq (102)

Not true. The media with the help of Hollywood made this stuff up.

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[AdamB]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (one of the boston bombers) say that he and his brother were "Defending Islam"

So how come so much muslims all over the world are defending the "Religion of Peace" with bombs?

So the US, UN, France, etc are all muslims?

US- 9/11 Osama Bin Laden
UK- 7/7 "On the morning of Thursday, 7 July 2005, four Islamist home-grown terrorists detonated four bombs, three in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square. Fifty-two civilians and the four bombers were killed in the attacks, and over 700 more were injured."

France- The 1995 bombings in France were carried out by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), who were broadening the Algerian Civil War to France. In total, these attacks killed eight and injured more than 100.


Yes, they were all Muslim


Date: Details (#of fatalities)
23 Nov 2006: multiple car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (202)
22 Jan 2007: multiple bombings in Baghdad area, Iraq (101)
3 Feb 2007: truck bombing in market place in Baghdad, Iraq (137)
6 Mar 2007: two bombings and other attacks on pilgrims, Hilla, Iraq (137)
27 Mar 2007: two truck bombings in Tal Afar, Iraq (152)
18 Apr 2007: bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (193)
3-10 Jul 2007: hostage taking and subsequent storming of mosque in Islamabad, Pakistan (102)
7 Jul 2007: bombings in Baghdad and Armili, Iraq (182)
14 Aug 2007: multiple truck bombings in Al-Qataniyah and Al-Adnaniyah, Iraq (520)
18 Oct 2007: bombing of motorcade in Karachi, Pakistan (137)
17 Feb 2008: bombing at dogfighting festival in Kandahar, Afghanistan (105)
26-29 Nov 2008: multiple gun and grenade attacks and hostage takings in Mumbai, India (174)
19 Aug 2009: multiple bombings at government sites in Baghdad, Iraq (102)
25 Oct 2009: two vehicle bombings at government buildings in Baghdad, Iraq (155)
28 Oct 2009: bombing at marketplace in Pakistan (118)
8 Dec 2009: five car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (127)
10 May 2010: multiple bombings in Hilla, Basra, al-Suwayra, and other cities, Iraq (102)

Why don't you research and advise us on the number of muslims killed by "Allied Forces"?

[AdamB]

R.I.P. to the 2,976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and R.I.P. to the 48,644 Afghan and 1,690,903 Iraqi people that paid the ultimate price for a crime they did not commit. Oh and the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who experience this everyday. Your 9/11 is their 24/7!!

[DFC]

Why dont you go "Defend Islam" at your jihadist gathering today.

[Habit7]

Allied Forces kill innocent enemy non-combatants and that is wrong, they dont kill Muslims.