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AdamB wrote:megadoc1 wrote:in the Qur'an we see men lives being destroyed because they reject or opposed the teaching of Muhammad and the quran,this is not done by the followers own doings but it was sanctioned or ordered by the very leader of that faith
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #32)
O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses) if you understand.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #118)
O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) confirming what is (already) with you, before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers . And the Commandment of Allah is always executed.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #47)
AdamB wrote:Did Jesus choose that way all by himself? It was not divinely inspired by GOD? The wisdom in it is that Jesus and his followers would have been obliterated by the Romans if they did otherwise.
Habit7 wrote:That is the message of Gospel, not that we work to attain salvation, but we freely receive the work of Christ applied to our lives so that no one can boast and all glory goes truly to God.
Free will, but not all the time?AdamB wrote:We don't have a choice in it
ok, start reading from about page 70 there you would find all the quotations you are requesting from the quran, most of them I posted among others... or ,you can read the quran yourself ..and don't come in here with that english translation nonense ok?birdykins11 wrote:Could you quote where in the Qu'ran you saw that Muhammad(saw) killed people who rejected islam? The events in the Qu'ran cannot be interpretted as the english language transliterates it to be, also the Qu'ran cannot be interpretted correctly by any Tom, Jo and Harry; only learnt individuals know the true meaning of the verses and its usually correlated to Haadith( sayings or teachings of Muhammad saw)...so reading the english transliteration is not suffice to its correct meaning.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:the point they were making is that a Christian or person of any religion can be drunk and cursing loudly on the street. But they don't do it in the name of their religion as we've seen from these "islamic extremists" who carry out their terrible acts in the name of Islam.Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Islam doesnt teach hate. It is all about peace. If 10, 20, 100 or 1000 muslims kill, torture etc in the name of Allah, then they are mis-guided. Are we going to continue to be silly and say well hear what, I saw a drunk christian cursing loudly on the street yesterday, therefore, all chistians are drunks? no...but once it is a muslim, he will represent ALL muslims.
The world wouldnt have the term "islamic extremists" if they didnt exist in quantity.
These are not just a few people committing heinous acts who happen to be muslim. These are people committing heinous acts and claiming it in the name of Islam. They even seem to find support from other Muslims and support in the Qur'an and Hadith where they find the verses that appear to support their acts (just like the videos of Amjen Choudary that i posted). That is completely different from some wacko just killing people for fun who happens to be of whatever religion or even happens to like football. They don't profile footballers after that do they?
the wider Muslim community needs to actively do something about these terrorists instead of claiming "a few bad apples". There is obviously a problem there that needs immediate attention!
Habit7 wrote:AdamB wrote:Did Jesus choose that way all by himself? It was not divinely inspired by GOD? The wisdom in it is that Jesus and his followers would have been obliterated by the Romans if they did otherwise.
John 18:4-6 So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, “Whom do you seek?” They answered Him, “Jesus the Nazarene.” He *said to them, “I am He.” And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them. So when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
(That "I am" claim there is lost to us in English, but to the contemporary Jew, that is claim to be the God of the Old Testament, but I digress)
John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”
Jesus both claimed to be God and had the ability to decimate any opposition against Him
(Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?).
But Jesus submitted Himself to His Father's foreordained plan to suffer and die for the sins of those who would believe in Him and rise again to give them new life. That is the message of Gospel, not that we work to attain salvation, but we freely receive the work of Christ applied to our lives so that no one can boast and all glory goes truly to God.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what polytheist owned networks are you referring to?
how are they polytheists?noyztoyz wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what polytheist owned networks are you referring to?
all the popular, cnn, bbc, fox,
dont you ever look at news and see bias,
even in non religious things
there are so many things you would see in eastern news channels that never get shown in western
there are many stories that intentionally get left out from news so that the sheep (ie. us people) can continue on without question
Habit7 wrote:That is the message of Gospel, not that we work to attain salvation, but we freely receive the work of Christ applied to our lives so that no one can boast and all glory goes truly to God.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Free will, but not all the time?AdamB wrote:We don't have a choice in it
Habit7 wrote:^^^You need to ask a Jehovah Witness about that only 144000.
The fate of those who have sinned is judgement in Hell, lack of belief in Christ is just one of those sins.
megadoc1 wrote:ok, start reading from about page 70 there you would find all the quotations you are requesting from the quran, most of them I posted among others... or ,you can read the quran yourself ..and don't come in here with that english translation nonense ok?birdykins11 wrote:Could you quote where in the Qu'ran you saw that Muhammad(saw) killed people who rejected islam? The events in the Qu'ran cannot be interpretted as the english language transliterates it to be, also the Qu'ran cannot be interpretted correctly by any Tom, Jo and Harry; only learnt individuals know the true meaning of the verses and its usually correlated to Haadith( sayings or teachings of Muhammad saw)...so reading the english transliteration is not suffice to its correct meaning.
and yeah do some reading muhamed lied,stoled, killed, raped and maimed
Habit7 wrote:^^^You need to ask a Jehovah Witness about that only 144000.
The fate of those who have sinned is judgement in Hell, lack of belief in Christ is just one of those sins.
Habit7 wrote:^^^You need to ask a Jehovah Witness about that only 144000.
The fate of those who have sinned is judgement in Hell, lack of belief in Christ is just one of those sins.
AdamB wrote:Habit7 wrote:^^^You need to ask a Jehovah Witness about that only 144000.
The fate of those who have sinned is judgement in Hell, lack of belief in Christ is just one of those sins.
BRING YOUR EVIDENCE THAT JUDGMENT WILL BE IN HELL!!
noyztoyz wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:the point they were making is that a Christian or person of any religion can be drunk and cursing loudly on the street. But they don't do it in the name of their religion as we've seen from these "islamic extremists" who carry out their terrible acts in the name of Islam.Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Islam doesnt teach hate. It is all about peace. If 10, 20, 100 or 1000 muslims kill, torture etc in the name of Allah, then they are mis-guided. Are we going to continue to be silly and say well hear what, I saw a drunk christian cursing loudly on the street yesterday, therefore, all chistians are drunks? no...but once it is a muslim, he will represent ALL muslims.
The world wouldnt have the term "islamic extremists" if they didnt exist in quantity.
These are not just a few people committing heinous acts who happen to be muslim. These are people committing heinous acts and claiming it in the name of Islam. They even seem to find support from other Muslims and support in the Qur'an and Hadith where they find the verses that appear to support their acts (just like the videos of Amjen Choudary that i posted). That is completely different from some wacko just killing people for fun who happens to be of whatever religion or even happens to like football. They don't profile footballers after that do they?
the wider Muslim community needs to actively do something about these terrorists instead of claiming "a few bad apples". There is obviously a problem there that needs immediate attention!
the problem is the polytheist owned media networks
whose job is the disappearance of monotheism from earth, there sole enemy is islam, what u expect?
a book created 1400 years ago that you could use to calculate the exact age of the universe teaches of a being that exists with enormous power, his job is to prevent people from entering heaven,
in islam there is only one way you cant enter heaven, that is if u engage in shirk - idolatry and polytheism
and thats the method this being uses
among his greatest accomplishments is christianity and hinduism
his tools are polytheists, jinns and great wealth
his final challenge is islam
the challenge of islam can be readily seen any time you put on the news. You could see the tools in use
what the hell is an individual me supposed to do about this? Im just doing what im ordered to do in my allotted limited time on earth as is clearly dictated in that book with its supreme author
and terrorism and killing people is not one
a polytheist will never ever be able to understand this, he is just a tool and has to please his boss - that being
noyztoyz wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what polytheist owned networks are you referring to?
all the popular, cnn, bbc, fox,
dont you ever look at news and see bias,
even in non religious things
there are so many things you would see in eastern news channels that never get shown in western
there are many stories that intentionally get left out from news so that the sheep (ie. us people) can continue on without question
Habit7 wrote:^^^You need to ask a Jehovah Witness about that only 144000.
The fate of those who have sinned is judgement in Hell, lack of belief in Christ is just one of those sins.
mamoo_pagal wrote:noyztoyz wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:the point they were making is that a Christian or person of any religion can be drunk and cursing loudly on the street. But they don't do it in the name of their religion as we've seen from these "islamic extremists" who carry out their terrible acts in the name of Islam.Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Islam doesnt teach hate. It is all about peace. If 10, 20, 100 or 1000 muslims kill, torture etc in the name of Allah, then they are mis-guided. Are we going to continue to be silly and say well hear what, I saw a drunk christian cursing loudly on the street yesterday, therefore, all chistians are drunks? no...but once it is a muslim, he will represent ALL muslims.
The world wouldnt have the term "islamic extremists" if they didnt exist in quantity.
These are not just a few people committing heinous acts who happen to be muslim. These are people committing heinous acts and claiming it in the name of Islam. They even seem to find support from other Muslims and support in the Qur'an and Hadith where they find the verses that appear to support their acts (just like the videos of Amjen Choudary that i posted). That is completely different from some wacko just killing people for fun who happens to be of whatever religion or even happens to like football. They don't profile footballers after that do they?
the wider Muslim community needs to actively do something about these terrorists instead of claiming "a few bad apples". There is obviously a problem there that needs immediate attention!
the problem is the polytheist owned media networks
whose job is the disappearance of monotheism from earth, there sole enemy is islam, what u expect?
a book created 1400 years ago that you could use to calculate the exact age of the universe teaches of a being that exists with enormous power, his job is to prevent people from entering heaven,
in islam there is only one way you cant enter heaven, that is if u engage in shirk - idolatry and polytheismand thats the method this being uses
among his greatest accomplishments is christianity and hinduismhis tools are polytheists, jinns and great wealth
his final challenge is islam
the challenge of islam can be readily seen any time you put on the news. You could see the tools in use
what the hell is an individual me supposed to do about this? Im just doing what im ordered to do in my allotted limited time on earth as is clearly dictated in that book with its supreme author
and terrorism and killing people is not one
a polytheist will never ever be able to understand this, he is just a tool and has to please his boss - that being
wow you really put this in the public forum!!!!!! this is what happens when ppl just don't think for themselves. These superstitious, intentionally selfish beliefs. Pal I am sure you are an adult, please stop this non-sense.
Who is 'this being' u refer too?
Where in the book you follow states that "this being" greatest accomplishment is Christianity and Hinduism?
bluefete wrote:Habit7 wrote:AdamB wrote:Did Jesus choose that way all by himself? It was not divinely inspired by GOD? The wisdom in it is that Jesus and his followers would have been obliterated by the Romans if they did otherwise.
John 18:4-6 So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, “Whom do you seek?” They answered Him, “Jesus the Nazarene.” He *said to them, “I am He.” And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them. So when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
(That "I am" claim there is lost to us in English, but to the contemporary Jew, that is claim to be the God of the Old Testament, but I digress)
John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”
Jesus both claimed to be God and had the ability to decimate any opposition against Him
(Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?).
But Jesus submitted Himself to His Father's foreordained plan to suffer and die for the sins of those who would believe in Him and rise again to give them new life. That is the message of Gospel, not that we work to attain salvation, but we freely receive the work of Christ applied to our lives so that no one can boast and all glory goes truly to God.
Did Jesus reveal His glory to them here and they were so amazed that they all fell to the ground?
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