What is the PNM's plan for the economy?

[drchaos]

Why you looking for miracles though?

Sorry boy bunny now seeing this.

Well name any successful initiative without bobol that Fraud Pulled off in the Healthcare system while he was in office?

[Habit7]

A specialist will come to Trinidad because he doesn't have to do hard and long exams just for a chance to get a UK or US position. If Maldives can attract them who is we?

A 3 month course in medical English and history taking can help in the Cuban issue. It is not insurmountable as you are making everything out to be.

The Chinese sent 12 specialists to SWRHA including a pathologist who I met and between all the outings they took to turtle watching and Tobago and every other thing they loved in Trinidad, they expressed they would love the opportunity to work here.

Again comprehension is not your forte. I never said crumbling infrastructure is the main reason, I said it is one of the reasons. While salaries are low it could be tackled while improving infrastructure along with all the other shortcomings of the system. We don't need to tackle them one at a time, it can be done simultaneously. For example one of the reasons private makes more money is because of the inefficiencies in the public. If patients can get comparable services in comparable infrastructure, the medical mafia will suffer. But if you want to forever fix an amorphous system that would never reach perfection and only then fix the infrastructure, there would be no hospital for the system to run in.

Finally, even in the UK there are complaints about NHS system and the salaries of doctors. Even recently I saw where an A&E had to close down because there were not enough specialists www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36048653 Everywhere has problems attracting and training specialists. We need to train more specialities and legally bind them to work longer in Trinidad. We have to learn to fix all the problems at the same time.

[zoom rader]

A specialist will come to Trinidad because he doesn't have to do hard and long exams just for a chance to get a UK or US position. If Maldives can attract them who is we?

A 3 month course in medical English and history taking can help in the Cuban issue. It is not insurmountable as you are making everything out to be.

The Chinese sent 12 specialists to SWRHA including a pathologist who I met and between all the outings they took to turtle watching and Tobago and every other thing they loved in Trinidad, they expressed they would love the opportunity to work here.

Again comprehension is not your forte. I never said crumbling infrastructure is the main reason, I said it is one of the reasons. While salaries are low it could be tackled while improving infrastructure along with all the other shortcomings of the system. We don't need to tackle them one at a time, it can be done simultaneously. For example one of the reasons private makes more money is because of the inefficiencies in the public. If patients can get comparable services in comparable infrastructure, the medical mafia will suffer. But if you want to forever fix an amorphous system that would never reach perfection and only then fix the infrastructure, there would be no hospital for the system to run in.

Finally, even in the UK there are complaints about NHS system and the salaries of doctors. Even recently I saw where an A&E had to close down because there were not enough specialists http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36048653 Everywhere has problems attracting and training specialists. We need to train more specialities and legally bind them to work longer in Trinidad. We have to learn to fix all the problems at the same time.

How many times are we going to train good ppl and then put them to work with the bad culture of hospital workers. After a time the good workers become bad workers.

A total change of working culture is needed for new hospitals and not to transfer bad workers with bad cultures.

[pjfred]

The rate PNM going that would not be an issue very soon, bandit will kill everybody. Right now we need morticians and land to bury all the dead.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

The rate PNM going that would not be an issue very soon, bandit will kill everybody. Right now we need morticians and land to bury all the dead.

Actually when you think about it....they can be cremated.

[drchaos]

A specialist will come to Trinidad because he doesn't have to do hard and long exams just for a chance to get a UK or US position. If Maldives can attract them who is we?

A 3 month course in medical English and history taking can help in the Cuban issue. It is not insurmountable as you are making everything out to be.

The Chinese sent 12 specialists to SWRHA including a pathologist who I met and between all the outings they took to turtle watching and Tobago and every other thing they loved in Trinidad, they expressed they would love the opportunity to work here.

Again comprehension is not your forte. I never said crumbling infrastructure is the main reason, I said it is one of the reasons. While salaries are low it could be tackled while improving infrastructure along with all the other shortcomings of the system. We don't need to tackle them one at a time, it can be done simultaneously. For example one of the reasons private makes more money is because of the inefficiencies in the public. If patients can get comparable services in comparable infrastructure, the medical mafia will suffer. But if you want to forever fix an amorphous system that would never reach perfection and only then fix the infrastructure, there would be no hospital for the system to run in.

Finally, even in the UK there are complaints about NHS system and the salaries of doctors. Even recently I saw where an A&E had to close down because there were not enough specialists http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36048653 Everywhere has problems attracting and training specialists. We need to train more specialities and legally bind them to work longer in Trinidad. We have to learn to fix all the problems at the same time.

Habit you not understanding? Let me place it in CAPS for you.
OUR MEDICAL BOARD DOES NOT ACCEPT FOREIGN SPECIALISTS UNLESS THEY HAVE THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE ACCEPTED IN THE US/UK.

Habit the PNM has not attempted to do anything simultaneously to anything. Their plan is to build new infrastructure and nothing else.

Its wonderful to say what they can be doing but the reality is your massa's not doing any of that.

Lastly why haven't the chinese who would have "loved to stay" .... stayed?

[Habit7]

How does anything you put in caps contradict what I said?

You should stay away from using absolutes, because every time you do I prove you wrong, http://wired868.com/2015/11/22/sunity-t ... challenge/
http://wired868.com/2015/11/22/sunity-t ... challenge/

The report is due within the next couple weeks, I would expect big changes going forward. PNM took the unpopular decisions on the economy which is bringing commendations from international observers, health sector shouldn't be harder to deal with.

It was a govt to govt agreement with the Chinese, we can't poach their doctors.

[drchaos]

"A specialist will come to Trinidad because he doesn't have to do hard and long exams just for a chance to get a UK or US position".

I think your understanding of specialists medical training and systems is that of a 4 year old. That's why you not getting it.

For a foreign specialist to come to Trinidad to get registered with the MBTT and work as a specialist they should have an american or american styled/recognized specialty or GMC (UK) registration/equivalent and has to on the specialty medical register.
Your statement above is a fallacy or a blatant lie cause I think you know better.
So they do have to do "have to do hard and long exams"

Your article above shows that Rowley is doing nothing but a fancy audit to the Healthcare system ... The very same thing that your Massa's did during Manning days and the PP as well.
Your party did nothing with their report in the 2000's. This will end in the same way.

From your article
"Six years ago, the Gafoor report had turned up enough information about phantom companies operating in the health sector along with accounting discrepancies to prompt then Prime Minister Patrick Manning to send the findings to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

If anything ever came out of that, it must’ve occurred outside of the public eye.

Since then, the problem has spiralled with taxpayers now paying twice for the same health service."

[Habit7]

Are you aware that there are specialists who did not specialise in the UK or US but in other ACGME institutions around the world that the MBTT recognises?

Are you aware that DPP is an independent office and its actions or inaction is not a responsibility of the govt?

Your answer for everything is to be pessimistic and absolute. I find myself giving you objective responses only to be met with your subjective opinion. I guess a fool convinced against his own will, is of the same opinion still.

[drchaos]

And you do realize that the ACGME is a accreditation for American styled residencies?

Habit you remind me of that quote from Albert on insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result.
You blindly place your faith in the PNM expecting a difference/for them to get it right since 1962.

There is a track record of the PNM and the PP doing nothing for the healthcare system but increasing infrastructure. That is my evidence of their incompetence ... all you have to go on is hope/faith in your party.

[drchaos]

Boy habit I throwing in the towel .. it impossible to try to explain the colour white to a man who refuse to remove is red coloured goggles.

Blind faith is more or less your curse. Good luck with that.

[zoom rader]

Are you aware that there are specialists who did not specialise in the UK or US but in other ACGME institutions around the world that the MBTT recognises?

Are you aware that DPP is an independent office and its actions or inaction is not a responsibility of the govt?

Your answer for everything is to be pessimistic and absolute. I find myself giving you objective responses only to be met with your subjective opinion. I guess a fool convinced against his own will, is of the same opinion still.

The DDP may be an independent office, but the current person occupying that post is influenced by the PNM

[Habit7]

And you do realize that the ACGME is a accreditation for American styled residencies?

Habit you remind me of that quote from Albert on insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result.
You blindly place your faith in the PNM expecting a difference/for them to get it right since 1962.

There is a track record of the PNM and the PP doing nothing for the healthcare system but increasing infrastructure. That is my evidence of their incompetence ... all you have to go on is hope/faith in your party.

So what? Not every specialist is running off to UK and US as you are making it out to be.

Blind faith is when you keep saying this and that cant happen and I show you clear examples contradicting what you said but remain unresolved. Blind faith is saying the strides from 1962 in us going from only getting doctors from England, to only getting them from Jamaica, to us training our own doctors, to us having our own specialist programs and research. We and Cuba are the only countries in region offering free med school, but in your view our healthcare is the same since 1962.

Thank God there are ppl who know better.

[drchaos]

And you do realize that the ACGME is a accreditation for American styled residencies?

Habit you remind me of that quote from Albert on insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result.
You blindly place your faith in the PNM expecting a difference/for them to get it right since 1962.

There is a track record of the PNM and the PP doing nothing for the healthcare system but increasing infrastructure. That is my evidence of their incompetence ... all you have to go on is hope/faith in your party.

So what? Not every specialist is running off to UK and US as you are making it out to be.

Blind faith is when you keep saying this and that cant happen and I show you clear examples contradicting what you said but remain unresolved. Blind faith is saying the strides from 1962 in us going from only getting doctors from England, to only getting them from Jamaica, to us training our own doctors, to us having our own specialist programs and research. We and Cuba are the only countries in region offering free med school, but in your view our healthcare is the same since 1962.

Thank God there are ppl who know better.

Cool bro ...

[Habit7]

No scn

[zoom rader]

Any PNM achievements for this week?

[drchaos]

Habit say wait a few weeks for a audit on the health system.

[drchaos]

Sandals coming to Tobago! What are your opinions?

Most of their earnings will be taken out of the country but should provide some foreign exchange into the system as they have to hire locals and buy TT with US to pay wages. They will probably be importing alot of their consumables.
Local tour operators may also get a cut but Sandals tends to keep a tight noose on the prices.

[zoom rader]

Tuner is amazing, when PP was in power everyday PNM posters like, Habit7, Eliteauto ,rfari, Rasc, shogun would attack the government from every angle they would Post their PNM newspaper articles and nit pick and at anything.

Now we don't even hear from them only to defend the PNM when you expose them.

Rfari and Eliteauto use to constantly label tuners as paid bloggers now we don't even here from rfari.

Just amazing

[eliteauto]

Sandals coming to Tobago! What are your opinions?

Most of their earnings will be taken out of the country but should provide some foreign exchange into the system as they have to hire locals and buy TT with US to pay wages. They will probably be importing alot of their consumables.
Local tour operators may also get a cut but Sandals tends to keep a tight noose on the prices.

Sandals' business model is horrible for Tobago, I hope it doesn't materialise, locals won't get much past menial jobs at the resort. The Sandals model is akin to cruise ships (yet another horrible idea we should not be pursuing) whereby the customer pays for everything beforehand and has no reason to interact with the locals or use their goods and services, Sandals has a large clearing house in Florida so all their consumables come from there so not even local vendors stand to benefit, further based on my information they have requested that 30% of their market be local particularly in the off-season so essentially they're gonna be poaching from other B&Bs small hotels/guesthouses in Tobago, considering Trinis neverseecomeseeness look for IG and FB pics of "we up in de sandals" this can destroy our local accommodation sector. The Gov't still thinks Tobago is all we have to offer re tourism and the THA under the guise of "increased room stock" is lining up for this type of neo-colonialism which contradicts their insular attitude of the last 15 years. BAD IDEA

[Lance]

Sandal's business model is bad for anything but a desolate, remote and uninhabited island.

[drchaos]

If they get alot of business from locals then thats foreign exchange down the drain. They might end up doing more harm than good.

[Dizzy28]

Sandals coming to Tobago! What are your opinions?

Most of their earnings will be taken out of the country but should provide some foreign exchange into the system as they have to hire locals and buy TT with US to pay wages. They will probably be importing alot of their consumables.
Local tour operators may also get a cut but Sandals tends to keep a tight noose on the prices.

Sandals' business model is horrible for Tobago, I hope it doesn't materialise, locals won't get much past menial jobs at the resort. The Sandals model is akin to cruise ships (yet another horrible idea we should not be pursuing) whereby the customer pays for everything beforehand and has no reason to interact with the locals or use their goods and services, Sandals has a large clearing house in Florida so all their consumables come from there so not even local vendors stand to benefit, further based on my information they have requested that 30% of their market be local particularly in the off-season so essentially they're gonna be poaching from other B&Bs small hotels/guesthouses in Tobago, considering Trinis neverseecomeseeness look for IG and FB pics of "we up in de sandals" this can destroy our local accommodation sector. The Gov't still thinks Tobago is all we have to offer re tourism and the THA under the guise of "increased room stock" is lining up for this type of neo-colonialism which contradicts their insular attitude of the last 15 years. BAD IDEA

But given that the GORTT has been trying to source an operator for the old Hilton (Magdalena) through e TecK for the past 5 years and has been unsuccessful so far, would not something (a Sandals) be better than nothing??
Under the Tourism Development Act the exemption on taxes is 7 years so we looking at corporation tax collection from year 8 for a Sandals.

[mrtrini45]

Tuner is amazing, when PP was in power everyday PNM posters like, Habit7, Eliteauto ,rfari, Rasc, shogun would attack the government from every angle they would Post their PNM newspaper articles and nit pick and at anything.

Now we don't even hear from them only to defend the PNM when you expose them.

Rfari and Eliteauto use to constantly label tuners as paid bloggers now we don't even here from rfari.

Just amazing

like both of them were promise by Rowlye to be made ambassador's

[eliteauto]

Dizzy28, nope Sandals has asked for infrastructural work to be done at no cost to them, tax breaks for a much longer period and breaks on the lease, plus as an approved tourism project they get to buy their vehicles with no MVT and only 10% duty, they get a 20% rebate on construction and get to import all fittings and furniture tax free. We won't see any real returns in the foreseeable future, if you offset the tax breaks vs the construction of a break water at Magdalena, we're better off creating a beach at Magdelena and offering more amenities. Plus if they get Buccoo and No Man's Land that's a reversal of THA policy when Angostura tried to develop the area through their Samaan Grove development and were denied. Why give one of your best attractions to foreigners. It's better for the THA if they claim as they did in the PAC meeting in Parliament that they lack room stock to make locals aware of the incentives available and set up a funding bank to have locals build properties

[Dizzy28]

Dizzy28, nope Sandals has asked for infrastructural work to be done at no cost to them, tax breaks for a much longer period and breaks on the lease, plus as an approved tourism project they get to buy their vehicles with no MVT and only 10% duty, they get a 20% rebate on construction and get to import all fittings and furniture tax free. We won't see any real returns in the foreseeable future, if you offset the tax breaks vs the construction of a break water at Magdalena, we're better off creating a beach at Magdelena and offering more amenities. Plus if they get Buccoo and No Man's Land that's a reversal of THA policy when Angostura tried to develop the area through their Samaan Grove development and were denied. Why give one of your best attractions to foreigners. It's better for the THA if they claim as they did in the PAC meeting in Parliament that they lack room stock to make locals aware of the incentives available and set up a funding bank to have locals build properties

Didn't realize Sandal's asked for incentives outside of the Tourism Development Act. Leads me to several questions
1. Does THA approve that or would it have to go to Cabinet?
2. The portion of the Shirvan Estate that wasn't excised for the Samaan Grove that is now now known as Golden Grove currently has EMA and T+C outline approval for the development of the 120 acres into a resort and residential development. This is up for sale for a long time now by Clico and could easily go to foreign ownership anyhow once a buyer is found.

[drchaos]

Wow that much incentives? I wonder what went on at the negotiations ...

[eliteauto]

most of those incentives are available to anyone locally, the infrastructural work and land leases are aren't though along with them wanting 30% local occupancy in the off season, as for the negotiations ask the THA, that's why there's an online petition to get full disclosure

Dizzy I wasn't aware the acreage was available for purchase, is that well known to locals?

[Dizzy28]

most of those incentives are available to anyone locally, the infrastructural work and land leases are aren't though along with them wanting 30% local occupancy in the off season, as for the negotiations ask the THA, that's why there's an online petition to get full disclosure

Dizzy I wasn't aware the acreage was available for purchase, is that well known to locals?

How does one guarantee local occupancy though?

I'm not certain how well Clico through their agents have advertised the Golden Grove Estate? Been making the rounds for a while particularly when Cadiz was Minister of Tourism.

[drchaos]

They would have to work for that by offering local pricing structure and rates.

Unless the Government signed up for all their retreats to be held there