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Redman wrote:So Dragon,
what would be YOUR ideas for the economy.
I assume that they are not low hanging fruit or intellectually bankrupt
Im looking forward to the solutions that will prove that you know what yuh talking bout.
thx.
Pirate wrote:desifemlove wrote:Pirate wrote:Corruption in public office needs to be made a criminal offence. That way we will have the revolving door syndrome where every 5 yrs another set in office repeating itself over and over while the citizens keep expecting something better...
it already is. you tink fraud, misppropriation iz already legal? issue maybe is detection, and too many PNM AND UNC sycophants looking to cover up any bobol dey "leaders" does do...
Sadly even in instances where funds "disappear" and ppl get found out nothing is done and successive governments fail to properly prosecute and than bam! Government changes and it is ah rinse and repeat with nothing recovered...
Things really sad yes!
drchaos wrote:Habit7 wrote:drchaos wrote:An increase on health surcharge is a know much more steady level of income where as a consumption tax is not as predictable ....
So 302,000 ppl, about half the labour force, earns less than $6000 a month. You propose rather than getting 7% off of your $3000 phone, those <$6000 salary workers should have their health surcharge increase from $33 to $514?
Habbit you have no imagination ... How bout a tiered system?
Tier the blasted income tax as well!
Renegociating the loan still doesn't change the value owed, and cancelling the loan can only be done by what was set out in the contract agreement. If you know on what grounds the loans can be cancelled please share it, otherwise...De Dragon wrote:Once more attempting to and failing to look like you are intellectual and knowing![]()
There are such things as re-negotiating or even cancelling a loan( look it up). HUNDREDS of projects get postponed, delayed or outright cancelled during protracted downturns. Yes there will be fallout, but billion dollar projects that cannot be afforded, or worse yet, borrowing money to finance non-income generating items is not only asinine, but shows a glaring lack of planning or expertise. Yet the PNM seems to think that is the way to go. Maybe they know something that we don't, but when they are not forthcoming with a proper explanation, and yes I did inform myself by reading ImpBert's long winded, self-serving ,smug, arrogant and wholly inappropriate response in Parliament.
It has been widely posited that these oil and gas prices will remain depressed for some time, and what has taken from 2007 to now to accumulate, and which surely will take much longer to re-accumulate, will be frittered away like confetti. Once again, lack of a proper long-term financial plan from a man who is "playing" Minister but who seems intent on driving this country into the ground for the benefit of a very few because when creative solutions are needed, he can only resort to low hanging fruit and intellectually bankrupt ideas and "solutions"
Habit7 wrote:drchaos wrote:Habit7 wrote:drchaos wrote:An increase on health surcharge is a know much more steady level of income where as a consumption tax is not as predictable ....
So 302,000 ppl, about half the labour force, earns less than $6000 a month. You propose rather than getting 7% off of your $3000 phone, those <$6000 salary workers should have their health surcharge increase from $33 to $514?
Habbit you have no imagination ... How bout a tiered system?
Tier the blasted income tax as well!
Imagination you say? You never said a tiered health surcharge, only now that I showed increasing health surcharge to fund Couva would be even more of a burden, you jumped to tier. Even if it is tiered, increase in health surcharge to the <$6000 per month ppl will still be significant on their already small income, especially since govt just increasd income tax avoidance to those $5000-$6000 in an effort to further ease the strain. Likewise it would unfair to increase the surcharge to the >$6000 crew as with a tiered system this would be likely >$1000 a month in health surcharge. Many in this group already pay for personal and group health insurance and eases the burden on the public healthcare service. If ppl's health surcharge costs go up they can't afford to go to private doctors, they will have further clog up the already overburdened health centres. That is my imagination.
7% not going to deter anybody from buying online, just like Florida's 6% sales tax to Amazon doesn't deter anybody. So your imagination runs wild with Imbert and party financiers all other folly, while I am seeing a stated plan to fund the running of an expensive hospital. Time will tell if it works or not.Renegociating the loan still doesn't change the value owed, and cancelling the loan can only be done by what was set out in the contract agreement. If you know on what grounds the loans can be cancelled please share it, otherwise...De Dragon wrote:Once more attempting to and failing to look like you are intellectual and knowing![]()
There are such things as re-negotiating or even cancelling a loan( look it up). HUNDREDS of projects get postponed, delayed or outright cancelled during protracted downturns. Yes there will be fallout, but billion dollar projects that cannot be afforded, or worse yet, borrowing money to finance non-income generating items is not only asinine, but shows a glaring lack of planning or expertise. Yet the PNM seems to think that is the way to go. Maybe they know something that we don't, but when they are not forthcoming with a proper explanation, and yes I did inform myself by reading ImpBert's long winded, self-serving ,smug, arrogant and wholly inappropriate response in Parliament.
It has been widely posited that these oil and gas prices will remain depressed for some time, and what has taken from 2007 to now to accumulate, and which surely will take much longer to re-accumulate, will be frittered away like confetti. Once again, lack of a proper long-term financial plan from a man who is "playing" Minister but who seems intent on driving this country into the ground for the benefit of a very few because when creative solutions are needed, he can only resort to low hanging fruit and intellectually bankrupt ideas and "solutions"
The public hospital might not generate revenue but is infrastructural. What is the use of trying to make money when quality of healthcare decreasing? You so want to criticise PNM you cussing them for completing a project started by the PP, which I commended them for.
I can't believe that politics making allyuh men reject a hospital. Especially you De Dragon who said nothing while PP was constructing it but now that PNM in power suddenly you realise it wrong.
Men acting like improved healthcare infrastructure is a rapid rail yes...
Habit7 wrote:drchaos wrote:Habit7 wrote:drchaos wrote:An increase on health surcharge is a know much more steady level of income where as a consumption tax is not as predictable ....
So 302,000 ppl, about half the labour force, earns less than $6000 a month. You propose rather than getting 7% off of your $3000 phone, those <$6000 salary workers should have their health surcharge increase from $33 to $514?
Habbit you have no imagination ... How bout a tiered system?
Tier the blasted income tax as well!
Imagination you say? You never said a tiered health surcharge, only now that I showed increasing health surcharge to fund Couva would be even more of a burden, you jumped to tier. Even if it is tiered, increase in health surcharge to the <$6000 per month ppl will still be significant on their already small income, especially since govt just increasd income tax avoidance to those $5000-$6000 in an effort to further ease the strain. Likewise it would unfair to increase the surcharge to the >$6000 crew as with a tiered system this would be likely >$1000 a month in health surcharge. Many in this group already pay for personal and group health insurance and eases the burden on the public healthcare service. If ppl's health surcharge costs go up they can't afford to go to private doctors, they will have further clog up the already overburdened health centres. That is my imagination.
7% not going to deter anybody from buying online, just like Florida's 6% sales tax to Amazon doesn't deter anybody. So your imagination runs wild with Imbert and party financiers all other folly, while I am seeing a stated plan to fund the running of an expensive hospital. Time will tell if it works or not.Renegociating the loan still doesn't change the value owed, and cancelling the loan can only be done by what was set out in the contract agreement. If you know on what grounds the loans can be cancelled please share it, otherwise...De Dragon wrote:Once more attempting to and failing to look like you are intellectual and knowing![]()
There are such things as re-negotiating or even cancelling a loan( look it up). HUNDREDS of projects get postponed, delayed or outright cancelled during protracted downturns. Yes there will be fallout, but billion dollar projects that cannot be afforded, or worse yet, borrowing money to finance non-income generating items is not only asinine, but shows a glaring lack of planning or expertise. Yet the PNM seems to think that is the way to go. Maybe they know something that we don't, but when they are not forthcoming with a proper explanation, and yes I did inform myself by reading ImpBert's long winded, self-serving ,smug, arrogant and wholly inappropriate response in Parliament.
It has been widely posited that these oil and gas prices will remain depressed for some time, and what has taken from 2007 to now to accumulate, and which surely will take much longer to re-accumulate, will be frittered away like confetti. Once again, lack of a proper long-term financial plan from a man who is "playing" Minister but who seems intent on driving this country into the ground for the benefit of a very few because when creative solutions are needed, he can only resort to low hanging fruit and intellectually bankrupt ideas and "solutions"
The public hospital might not generate revenue but is infrastructural. What is the use of trying to make money when quality of healthcare decreasing? You so want to criticise PNM you cussing them for completing a project started by the PP, which I commended them for.
I can't believe that politics making allyuh men reject a hospital. Especially you De Dragon who said nothing while PP was constructing it but now that PNM in power suddenly you realise it wrong.
Men acting like improved healthcare infrastructure is a rapid rail yes...
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:Redman wrote:So Dragon,
what would be YOUR ideas for the economy.
I assume that they are not low hanging fruit or intellectually bankrupt
Im looking forward to the solutions that will prove that you know what yuh talking bout.
thx.
Good luck. Last time I asked him he said he didn't know the details. When given some details he started to beat up. He claimed its for technocrats to come up with the stuff. Problem is if a technocrat doesn't put forward views that he likes he labels the technocrat a pnm.
De Dragon wrote:Nice job of trying to pick out from what I said when I plainly stated that not 1 but 2 new hospitals are foolhardy when you cannot even "complete" and "staff" one. I never stated that I was against any hospital, merely that if all that fuss about funding/staffing for a completed hospital, why rush to build 2 more when the economy clearly will not rebound by the time they are to be finished.
drchaos wrote:The fact that they gave this gov and the last more or less positive reviews show that they don't have our best interest at heart.
Didn't Rowley warn you about getting in bed with the IMF and here you go using them to justify this and the last government's position.
Habit7 wrote:......Are you informed that there already are Arima and Portin Fortin Hospitals that are staffed and funded, .........
16 cycles wrote:Habit7 wrote:......Are you informed that there already are Arima and Portin Fortin Hospitals that are staffed and funded, .........
http://www.health.gov.tt/moh-healthfaci ... aspx?id=24
was this upgraded to a hospital??
asking out of ignorance...
drchaos wrote:Dem Yellow and Mellow supporters can rail against what they like cause they are as mindless as your Red and Ready club ... But my point is sort out and staff the Couva hospital (which should have been done within 4 months of taking the office) before handing out more mega contracts for hospitals they claim they can't staff or afford to run. The A&E, Out patient clinic's and radiology services are ready. The plan was to move the Couva DHF A&E/ radiology services as they are overwhelmed where they are atm.
Habit7 wrote:Are you informed that there already are Arima and Portin Fortin Hospitals that are staffed and funded, unlike the brand new Couva hospital? Therefore, at an initial level, all that is needed is to transfer of staff and operations to the new buildings and eventually scale it up to match its potential as additional staff and operations are funded. The same thing happened with EWMSC complex in the 1980's in the midst of a worst recession. It took PP 2.5yrs to finish the 80% complete Scarborough hospital even with an already existing staff. The Couva Hospital will open, no one in govt has said otherwise.
Habit7 wrote:De Dragon wrote:Nice job of trying to pick out from what I said when I plainly stated that not 1 but 2 new hospitals are foolhardy when you cannot even "complete" and "staff" one. I never stated that I was against any hospital, merely that if all that fuss about funding/staffing for a completed hospital, why rush to build 2 more when the economy clearly will not rebound by the time they are to be finished.
Are you informed that there already are Arima and Portin Fortin Hospitals that are staffed and funded, unlike the brand new Couva hospital? Therefore, at an initial level, all that is needed is to transfer of staff and operations to the new buildings and eventually scale it up to match its potential as additional staff and operations are funded. The same thing happened with EWMSC complex in the 1980's in the midst of a worst recession. It took PP 2.5yrs to finish the 80% complete Scarborough hospital even with an already existing staff. The Couva Hospital will open, no one in govt has said otherwise.
I know I just rebutted the crux of your argument so I await the next position you will jump to.
Habit7 wrote:drchaos wrote:The fact that they gave this gov and the last more or less positive reviews show that they don't have our best interest at heart.
Didn't Rowley warn you about getting in bed with the IMF and here you go using them to justify this and the last government's position.
The IMF didn't give the PP good reviews, at least not recently, http://m.guardian.co.tt/news/2014-07-10 ... n-policies they warned them to do the policies they are commending the PNM for doing
The IMF does surveillance, technical assistance and lending. We are not getting in bed with them to borrow. However no matter your opinion of the IMF, their surveillance reports are important to international investors.
De Dragon wrote:Habit7 wrote:De Dragon wrote:Nice job of trying to pick out from what I said when I plainly stated that not 1 but 2 new hospitals are foolhardy when you cannot even "complete" and "staff" one. I never stated that I was against any hospital, merely that if all that fuss about funding/staffing for a completed hospital, why rush to build 2 more when the economy clearly will not rebound by the time they are to be finished.
Are you informed that there already are Arima and Portin Fortin Hospitals that are staffed and funded, unlike the brand new Couva hospital? Therefore, at an initial level, all that is needed is to transfer of staff and operations to the new buildings and eventually scale it up to match its potential as additional staff and operations are funded. The same thing happened with EWMSC complex in the 1980's in the midst of a worst recession. It took PP 2.5yrs to finish the 80% complete Scarborough hospital even with an already existing staff. The Couva Hospital will open, no one in govt has said otherwise.
I know I just rebutted the crux of your argument so I await the next position you will jump to.![]()
Once again failure to look like you know what the fack you are talking about!
Are you "informed" that Couva has a DHF? Are you aware that it is the most used DHF in Trinidad and Tobago? Are you aware that PCS Nitrogen recently funded a USD $4.0 million dollar lab adjacent to that DHF? Maybe the reason the Scarborough Hospital took so long was the materials for its completion were siphoned off to someone's private housing development, which is still incomplete BTW.
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