The Religion Discussion

[TonyM]

WRT your first video, it all comes down to the world's biggest "who dunnit." Either we find it out by interpreting thousand to possibly million years old evidence or, we interpret the recorded eyewitness account. Either way we dont get the entire picture and there are several unanswered questions on both sides.

eyewitness to Genesis? Who was the eyewitness when God said "let there be light"? or when he was forming Adam from dirt?

You are doing the same things this crazy Jason Lisle is doing. When scientific facts contradict your religious beliefs you ignore the facts and replace it with scripture that has no factual footing.

But you must have some esteemed academic career to call Dr. Lisle (an accomplished astrophysicist by secular standards) crazy for the views he holds.

A pamphlet about astronomy written by a doctor in astrophysics can’t possibly be wrong, can it?

There are Pastors who are rapists and scientists who are thieves. Him being a doctor of astrophysics don't make him right!

Lisle wrote a book called "Taking Back Astronomy" which unsuccessfully attempts to prove a young earth despite huge amounts of scientific evidence that the earth is billions of years old. Lisle should have called his book "Taking Back Astronomy: To the Year 1611 (or Earlier)"

Lisle is an employee of AiG and collects a paycheque to ensure he holds up their crazy beliefs. In the agreement he singed with AiG he agreed to this: "No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record." If he follows this he cannot be considered as a scientist in any way.

It is hilarious how only crazy people like yourself use the term "worldview". The only view anyone needs to have is that of truth and fact. Anything else is just looney behaviour.

[Habit7]

TonyM I have addressed these issues a couple of pages before, you can reference them.

But when you use pejoratives like "crazy" you undermine your accusations of others as being intolerant.

[maj. tom]

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
finally die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. "
-Max Planck

And that's the reality of this thread TonyM. You are really not going to convince anyone here of anything. Have some kids and live your life happily while you exist; be assured that 10 generations from now won't be as it is today. How was the world in 1713?

[TonyM]

You did not address these issues. What you did was show the worthless reasons that make YOU feel comfortable with your beliefs. You showed no valid evidence for a young earth.

undermine? MORE than you undermine your own poor arguments by avoiding questions and issues?

you and AdamB continue to avoid pertinent questions and facts but instead harp on "pejoratives" and other simple things that are truly irrelevant to the discussion or even your point. I brought up valid points and you steered around them and instead pointed out that I called you "crazy".

You have got to be crazy to agree with this kind of thinking: "No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record."

[DFC]

Whats the deal with Easter, the bunny and eggs?

[Sky]

And yet another philosopher...

Lemme be straight then.
Straight talk here.
I know you will accept the existence of Issac and Ishmael. You call Jesus what? Isa? Yada yada.
They're both thoroughly linked

You accept these fun facts that show up in both books right?
Don't you find it a tad retarded to not think that the christians' guess is as good as islam's?
Both were started by a dude who'd be commited today if he said all the same stuff.

[Chimera]

Whats the deal with Easter, the bunny and eggs?

Interesting read.


The Pagan Origin Of Easter

Easter is a day that is honered by nearly all of contemporary Christianity and is used to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The holiday often involves a church service at sunrise, a feast which includes an "Easter Ham", decorated eggs and stories about rabbits.

Those who love truth learn to ask questions, and many questions must be asked regarding the holiday of Easter.

Is it truly the day when Jesus arose from the dead? Where did all of the strange customs come from, which have nothing to do with the resurrection of our Saviour?

The purpose of this tract is to help answer those questions, and to help those who seek truth to draw their own conclusions.

The first thing we must understand is that professing Christians were not the only ones who celebrated a festival called "Easter."

"Ishtar", which is pronounced "Easter" was a day that commemorated the resurrection of one of their gods that they called "Tammuz", who was believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the sun-god.

In those ancient times, there was a man named Nimrod, who was the grandson of one of Noah's son named Ham.

Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis.Cush and Semiramis then had a son named him "Nimrod."

After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and became a powerful King.

The Bible tells of of this man, Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8-10 as follows: "And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad,and Calneh, in the land of Shinar."

Nimrod became a god-man to the people and Semiramis, his wife and mother, became the powerful Queen of ancient Babylon.

Nimrod was eventually killed by an enemy, and his body was cut in pieces and sent to various parts of his kingdom.

Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for one part that could not be found.

That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called "Baal", the sun god.

Queen Semiramis also proclaimed that Baal would be present on earth in the form of a flame, whether candle or lamp, when used in worship.

Semiramis was creating a mystery religion, and with the help of Satan, she set herself up as a goddess.

Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived.

She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full.

She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River.

This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."

Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive.

The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz.

Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.

The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.

Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.

Ishtar, who was now worshipped as the "Mother of God and Queen of Heaven", continued to build her mystery religion.

The queen told the worshippers that when Tammuz was killed by the wild pig, some of his blood fell on the stump of an evergreen tree, and the stump grew into a full new tree overnight. This made the evergreen tree sacred by the blood of Tammuz.

She also proclaimed a forty day period of time of sorrow each year prior to the anniversary of the death of Tammuz.

During this time, no meat was to be eaten.

Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and Tammuz, and to make the sign of the "T" in front of their hearts as they worshipped.

They also ate sacred cakes with the marking of a "T" or cross on the top.

Every year, on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, a celebration was made.

It was Ishtar's Sunday and was celebrated with rabbits and eggs.

Ishtar also proclaimed that because Tammuz was killed by a pig, that a pig must be eaten on that Sunday.

By now, the readers of this tract should have made the connection that paganism has infiltrated the contemporary "Christian" churches, and further study indicates that this paganism came in by way of the Roman Catholic System.

The truth is that Easter has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Some have wondered why the word "Easter" is in the the King James Bible.

It is because Acts, chapter 12, tells us that it was the evil King Herod, who was planning to celebrate Easter, and not the Christians.

The true Passover and pagan Easter sometimes coincide, but in some years, they are a great distance apart.

So much more could be said, and we have much more information for you, if you are a seeker of the truth.

We know that the Bible tells us in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

The truth is that the forty days of Lent, eggs, rabbits,hot cross buns and the Easter ham have everything to do with the ancient pagan religion of Mystery Babylon.These are all antichrist activities!

Satan is a master deceiver, and has filled the lives of well-meaning, professing Christians with idolatry.

These things bring the wrath of God upon children of disobedience, who try to make pagan customs of Baal worship Christian.

You must answer for your activities and for what you teach your children.

These customs of Easter honor Baal, who is also Satan, and is still worshipped as the "Rising Sun" and his house is the "House of the Rising Sun."

How many churches have "sunrise services" on Ishtar's day and face the rising sun in the East?

How many will use colored eggs and rabbit stories, as they did in ancient Babylon.

These things are no joke, any more than Judgement day is a joke.

I pray to God that this tract will cause you to search for more truth.

We will be glad to help you by providing more information and by praying for you.

These are the last days, and it is time to repent, come out and be separate.

David J. Meyer

[AdamB]

And yet another philosopher...

Lemme be straight then.
Straight talk here.
I know you will accept the existence of Issac and Ishmael. You call Jesus what? Isa? Yada yada.
They're both thoroughly linked

You accept these fun facts that show up in both books right?
Don't you find it a tad retarded to not think that the christians' guess is as good as islam's?
Both were started by a dude who'd be commited today if he said all the same stuff.

Please clarify...what exactly are you asking? I don't accept what "shows up" in the books of the christians simply because of issues of doctoring, changes, additions, corruption of meaning, preservation and authorship. What's the christians' guess in reference to?

Muhammad was head of state, leader in all aspects of life and its situations, and accepted by the whole (or majority) of Arabia, the people to whom he was sent. Jesus, though no less in caliber / importance, was rejected by his people. They sought to kill / crucify him. Is this evidence enough (for you) to say that he was rejected?

Those who witnessed the truth of their actions, divine instructions and miracles would not agree that they would be "committed".

[AdamB]

^^^LOL ABA!!

[Sky]

And yet another philosopher...

Lemme be straight then.
Straight talk here.
I know you will accept the existence of Issac and Ishmael. You call Jesus what? Isa? Yada yada.
They're both thoroughly linked

You accept these fun facts that show up in both books right?
Don't you find it a tad retarded to not think that the christians' guess is as good as islam's?
Both were started by a dude who'd be commited today if he said all the same stuff.

Please clarify...what exactly are you asking? I don't accept what "shows up" in the books of the christians simply because of issues of doctoring, changes, additions, corruption of meaning, preservation and authorship. What's the christians' guess in reference to?

Muhammad was head of state, leader in all aspects of life and its situations, and accepted by the whole (or majority) of Arabia, the people to whom he was sent. Jesus, though no less in caliber / importance, was rejected by his people. They sought to kill / crucify him. Is this evidence enough (for you) to say that he was rejected?

Those who witnessed the truth of their actions, divine instructions and miracles would not agree that they would be "committed".

You just told me that you believe the more successful man.
You also show that while they may have brought a similar message, the head of state got a bigger audience while the son of a carpenter was rejected.
You basically exposed human nature for what it is, actually discrediting both religions.

You called Jesus "no less in caliber". Why? because he was more or less the same as your prophet?
Then the only difference was success.

[Habit7]

If He (Jesus) is "no less in caliber" why the tremendous uproar for misrepresentations of Muhammed but calm disapproval for misrepresentations of Jesus?

Is it that Muhammed is venerated or Jesus is undervalued?

[AdamB]

And yet another philosopher...

Lemme be straight then.
Straight talk here.
I know you will accept the existence of Issac and Ishmael. You call Jesus what? Isa? Yada yada.
They're both thoroughly linked

You accept these fun facts that show up in both books right?
Don't you find it a tad retarded to not think that the christians' guess is as good as islam's?
Both were started by a dude who'd be commited today if he said all the same stuff.

Please clarify...what exactly are you asking? I don't accept what "shows up" in the books of the christians simply because of issues of doctoring, changes, additions, corruption of meaning, preservation and authorship. What's the christians' guess in reference to?

Muhammad was head of state, leader in all aspects of life and its situations, and accepted by the whole (or majority) of Arabia, the people to whom he was sent. Jesus, though no less in caliber / importance, was rejected by his people. They sought to kill / crucify him. Is this evidence enough (for you) to say that he was rejected?

Those who witnessed the truth of their actions, divine instructions and miracles would not agree that they would be "committed".

You just told me that you believe the more successful man.
You also show that while they may have brought a similar message, the head of state got a bigger audience while the son of a carpenter was rejected.
You basically exposed human nature for what it is, actually discrediting both religions.

You called Jesus "no less in caliber". Why? because he was more or less the same as your prophet?
Then the only difference was success.

Was any of the prophets accepted with open arms from their own people? Muhammad was initially rejected as well. You should read up on his life. It is well documented.

All of the prophets are equal for they taught the same message, we don't compare them. Moses was successful also, leading his people out of bondage in Egypt...but years later, when he went up to Mt Sinai, his people made a golden calf (idol) and worshipped it. The point is that success by the prophet himself is him doing what he was commanded to do by GOD, which is calling them to the worship of THE ONE TRUE GOD. What is in the heart of every individual, that's another thing over which no one has control except the individual himself.

I believe in Muhammad as well as Jesus, for they taught the same message of ONENESS OF GOD.

I disbelieve in "exceeding the limits" like worshipping Jesus (a man), associating partners with GOD (Trinity) and "religious" rituals that have no basis that it neither came from GOD nor HIS Prophet (Jesus). Rituals introduced by the whims and fancies of so-called followers of Jesus.

I don't discredit their religion, they do it all by themselves. Maybe they don't see it because GOD has placed a veil on their eyes and ears...

[AdamB]

If He (Jesus) is "no less in caliber" why the tremendous uproar for misrepresentations of Muhammed but calm disapproval for misrepresentations of Jesus?

Is it that Muhammed is venerated or Jesus is undervalued?

Exactly the opposite, Muhammad is not revered, venerated, nor worshipped. Jesus, however, is over-valued in that he is a man, prophet, but his "followers" worship him and have made him their god.

Muslims actually have a law called the Shariah derived from the Quran and Sunnah / hadith of Muhammad. Christians on the other hand live/govern by their whims and fancies.

[Habit7]

But when Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten posted cartoon depictions of Muhammed they received widespread condemnation within Islamist countries, and their cartoonists and other staff live under the daily attempt and threat of terrorist attack. Likewise, last year, a low budget internet movie of Muhammed sparked widespread protest in Islamic countries against USA and it producers.

If Jesus is of no less calibre than Muhammed, can we expect the same out roar when Islamists find out about a little theatrical production called 'Jesus Christ Superstar' ?

[Sky]

And yet another philosopher...

Lemme be straight then.
Straight talk here.
I know you will accept the existence of Issac and Ishmael. You call Jesus what? Isa? Yada yada.
They're both thoroughly linked

You accept these fun facts that show up in both books right?
Don't you find it a tad retarded to not think that the christians' guess is as good as islam's?
Both were started by a dude who'd be commited today if he said all the same stuff.

Please clarify...what exactly are you asking? I don't accept what "shows up" in the books of the christians simply because of issues of doctoring, changes, additions, corruption of meaning, preservation and authorship. What's the christians' guess in reference to?

Muhammad was head of state, leader in all aspects of life and its situations, and accepted by the whole (or majority) of Arabia, the people to whom he was sent. Jesus, though no less in caliber / importance, was rejected by his people. They sought to kill / crucify him. Is this evidence enough (for you) to say that he was rejected?

Those who witnessed the truth of their actions, divine instructions and miracles would not agree that they would be "committed".

You just told me that you believe the more successful man.
You also show that while they may have brought a similar message, the head of state got a bigger audience while the son of a carpenter was rejected.
You basically exposed human nature for what it is, actually discrediting both religions.

You called Jesus "no less in caliber". Why? because he was more or less the same as your prophet?
Then the only difference was success.

Was any of the prophets accepted with open arms from their own people? Muhammad was initially rejected as well. You should read up on his life. It is well documented.

All of the prophets are equal for they taught the same message, we don't compare them. Moses was successful also, leading his people out of bondage in Egypt...but years later, when he went up to Mt Sinai, his people made a golden calf (idol) and worshipped it. The point is that success by the prophet himself is him doing what he was commanded to do by GOD, which is calling them to the worship of THE ONE TRUE GOD. What is in the heart of every individual, that's another thing over which no one has control except the individual himself.

I believe in Muhammad as well as Jesus, for they taught the same message of ONENESS OF GOD.

I disbelieve in "exceeding the limits" like worshipping Jesus (a man), associating partners with GOD (Trinity) and "religious" rituals that have no basis that it neither came from GOD nor HIS Prophet (Jesus). Rituals introduced by the whims and fancies of so-called followers of Jesus.

I don't discredit their religion, they do it all by themselves. Maybe they don't see it because GOD has placed a veil on their eyes and ears...

Ok. So Jesus was just a man and he's overrated. I know muslims believe that. I don't blame 'em.
So what does your book says about respecting Muhammed? Because while christians tolerate and secretly judge when people use jesus in a joke, muslims lose it when people uses muhammed in the wrong context.

[metalgear2095]

If He (Jesus) is "no less in caliber" why the tremendous uproar for misrepresentations of Muhammed but calm disapproval for misrepresentations of Jesus?

Is it that Muhammed is venerated or Jesus is undervalued?

Exactly the opposite, Muhammad is not revered, venerated, nor worshipped. Jesus, however, is over-valued in that he is a man, prophet, but his "followers" worship him and have made him their god.

Muslims actually have a law called the Shariah derived from the Quran and Sunnah / hadith of Muhammad. Christians on the other hand live/govern by their whims and fancies.

Muslims live by different rules in different places. Christians also have a law in the Bible called the 10 commandments. Please stop with this garbage as I'm sure you know better.

[AdamB]

Habit7,
This is a "storm in the teacup" issue. There's a saying from our prophet that if you see a wrong or injustice, then change it with your hands or speak out against it or hate it in your heart, and the last one is the weakest in faith.

Like our gov't is saying, the media plays on us by highlighting some negative issues and ignoring other positive ones. Have any other faith spoken out against criticism of Muhammad?

Salman Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses", they called shots on him BUT HE IS STILL ALIVE AND A MUSLIM TODAY. Is this blown up in the news?

Do you really expect someone else to guard your property? You think muslims insult Jesus by not speaking out against idiotic criticism?

We are more concerned that you "christians" lie on him, saying that he claimed to be the son of GOD!

What's even far worse, is that you insult GOD by saying about HIM lies and that of which you have no knowledge.

[AdamB]

If He (Jesus) is "no less in caliber" why the tremendous uproar for misrepresentations of Muhammed but calm disapproval for misrepresentations of Jesus?

Is it that Muhammed is venerated or Jesus is undervalued?

Exactly the opposite, Muhammad is not revered, venerated, nor worshipped. Jesus, however, is over-valued in that he is a man, prophet, but his "followers" worship him and have made him their god.

Muslims actually have a law called the Shariah derived from the Quran and Sunnah / hadith of Muhammad. Christians on the other hand live/govern by their whims and fancies.

Muslims live by different rules in different places. Christians also have a law in the Bible called the 10 commandments. Please stop with this garbage as I'm sure you know better.

WRONG!!!

The above was given to the Jews and is in the Old Testament, both of which "modern day / worldview" christians reject.

[AdamB]

And yet another philosopher...

Lemme be straight then.
Straight talk here.
I know you will accept the existence of Issac and Ishmael. You call Jesus what? Isa? Yada yada.
They're both thoroughly linked

You accept these fun facts that show up in both books right?
Don't you find it a tad retarded to not think that the christians' guess is as good as islam's?
Both were started by a dude who'd be commited today if he said all the same stuff.

Please clarify...what exactly are you asking? I don't accept what "shows up" in the books of the christians simply because of issues of doctoring, changes, additions, corruption of meaning, preservation and authorship. What's the christians' guess in reference to?

Muhammad was head of state, leader in all aspects of life and its situations, and accepted by the whole (or majority) of Arabia, the people to whom he was sent. Jesus, though no less in caliber / importance, was rejected by his people. They sought to kill / crucify him. Is this evidence enough (for you) to say that he was rejected?

Those who witnessed the truth of their actions, divine instructions and miracles would not agree that they would be "committed".

You just told me that you believe the more successful man.
You also show that while they may have brought a similar message, the head of state got a bigger audience while the son of a carpenter was rejected.
You basically exposed human nature for what it is, actually discrediting both religions.

You called Jesus "no less in caliber". Why? because he was more or less the same as your prophet?
Then the only difference was success.

Was any of the prophets accepted with open arms from their own people? Muhammad was initially rejected as well. You should read up on his life. It is well documented.

All of the prophets are equal for they taught the same message, we don't compare them. Moses was successful also, leading his people out of bondage in Egypt...but years later, when he went up to Mt Sinai, his people made a golden calf (idol) and worshipped it. The point is that success by the prophet himself is him doing what he was commanded to do by GOD, which is calling them to the worship of THE ONE TRUE GOD. What is in the heart of every individual, that's another thing over which no one has control except the individual himself.

I believe in Muhammad as well as Jesus, for they taught the same message of ONENESS OF GOD.

I disbelieve in "exceeding the limits" like worshipping Jesus (a man), associating partners with GOD (Trinity) and "religious" rituals that have no basis that it neither came from GOD nor HIS Prophet (Jesus). Rituals introduced by the whims and fancies of so-called followers of Jesus.

I don't discredit their religion, they do it all by themselves. Maybe they don't see it because GOD has placed a veil on their eyes and ears...

Ok. So Jesus was just a man and he's overrated. I know muslims believe that. I don't blame 'em.
So what does your book says about respecting Muhammed? Because while christians tolerate and secretly judge when people use jesus in a joke, muslims lose it when people uses muhammed in the wrong context.

Sky. Backpedalling?? LOL!!! Check my post / response to Habit7 above.

[AdamB]

And yet another philosopher...

Lemme be straight then.
Straight talk here.
I know you will accept the existence of Issac and Ishmael. You call Jesus what? Isa? Yada yada.
They're both thoroughly linked

You accept these fun facts that show up in both books right?
Don't you find it a tad retarded to not think that the christians' guess is as good as islam's?
Both were started by a dude who'd be commited today if he said all the same stuff.

Please clarify...what exactly are you asking? I don't accept what "shows up" in the books of the christians simply because of issues of doctoring, changes, additions, corruption of meaning, preservation and authorship. What's the christians' guess in reference to?

Muhammad was head of state, leader in all aspects of life and its situations, and accepted by the whole (or majority) of Arabia, the people to whom he was sent. Jesus, though no less in caliber / importance, was rejected by his people. They sought to kill / crucify him. Is this evidence enough (for you) to say that he was rejected?

Those who witnessed the truth of their actions, divine instructions and miracles would not agree that they would be "committed".

You just told me that you believe the more successful man.
You also show that while they may have brought a similar message, the head of state got a bigger audience while the son of a carpenter was rejected.
You basically exposed human nature for what it is, actually discrediting both religions.

You called Jesus "no less in caliber". Why? because he was more or less the same as your prophet?
Then the only difference was success.

Was any of the prophets accepted with open arms from their own people? Muhammad was initially rejected as well. You should read up on his life. It is well documented.

All of the prophets are equal for they taught the same message, we don't compare them. Moses was successful also, leading his people out of bondage in Egypt...but years later, when he went up to Mt Sinai, his people made a golden calf (idol) and worshipped it. The point is that success by the prophet himself is him doing what he was commanded to do by GOD, which is calling them to the worship of THE ONE TRUE GOD. What is in the heart of every individual, that's another thing over which no one has control except the individual himself.

I believe in Muhammad as well as Jesus, for they taught the same message of ONENESS OF GOD.

I disbelieve in "exceeding the limits" like worshipping Jesus (a man), associating partners with GOD (Trinity) and "religious" rituals that have no basis that it neither came from GOD nor HIS Prophet (Jesus). Rituals introduced by the whims and fancies of so-called followers of Jesus.

I don't discredit their religion, they do it all by themselves. Maybe they don't see it because GOD has placed a veil on their eyes and ears...

Ok. So Jesus was just a man and he's overrated. I know muslims believe that. I don't blame 'em.
So what does your book says about respecting Muhammed? Because while christians tolerate and secretly judge when people use jesus in a joke, muslims lose it when people uses muhammed in the wrong context.

Sky. Backpedalling?? LOL!!! Check my post / response to Habit7 above.

[Habit7]

But when Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten posted cartoon depictions of Muhammed they received widespread condemnation within Islamist countries, and their cartoonists and other staff live under the daily attempt and threat of terrorist attack. Likewise, last year, a low budget internet movie of Muhammed sparked widespread protest in Islamic countries against USA and it producers.

If Jesus is of no less calibre than Muhammed, can we expect the same out roar when Islamists find out about a little theatrical production called 'Jesus Christ Superstar' ?

Habit7,
This is a "storm in the teacup" issue. There's a saying from our prophet that if you see a wrong or injustice, then change it with your hands or speak out against it or hate it in your heart, and the last one is the weakest in faith.
Like our gov't is saying, the media plays on us by highlighting some negative issues and ignoring other positive ones. Have any other faith spoken out against criticism of Muhammad?
Salman Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses", they called shots on him BUT HE IS STILL ALIVE AND A MUSLIM TODAY. Is this blown up in the news?
Do you really expect someone else to guard your property? You think muslims insult Jesus by not speaking out against idiotic criticism?
We are more concerned that you "christians" lie on him, saying that he claimed to be the son of GOD!
What's even far worse, is that you insult GOD by saying about HIM lies and that of which you have no knowledge.

All that being said...

I still see no consistency in saying that Jesus is the same calibre as Muhammed. Yet at the very least, Muhammed is esteemed above all other prophets, if not venerated by his followers.

Why wasn't they equal outcry from the Islamic community to Disney's 'Prince of Egypt' as with any fictional depiction of Muhammed? Isn't Moses a prophet in Islam too?

[DFC]

Adamb, can Allah be worshiped without mentioning Muhammed?

I've posted on this before.

[M_2NR]

can Allah be worshiped without mentioning Muhammad?

I've posted on this before.

Yes. Mentioning Muhammad has nothing to do with worshipping God. Muslims don't worship the Prophet. They only worship God.

[Habit7]

^^^well can you answer or direct me to where you have answered, why Muslims reverence Muhammed above other prophets?

[metalgear2095]

If He (Jesus) is "no less in caliber" why the tremendous uproar for misrepresentations of Muhammed but calm disapproval for misrepresentations of Jesus?

Is it that Muhammed is venerated or Jesus is undervalued?

Exactly the opposite, Muhammad is not revered, venerated, nor worshipped. Jesus, however, is over-valued in that he is a man, prophet, but his "followers" worship him and have made him their god.

Muslims actually have a law called the Shariah derived from the Quran and Sunnah / hadith of Muhammad. Christians on the other hand live/govern by their whims and fancies.

Muslims live by different rules in different places. Christians also have a law in the Bible called the 10 commandments. Please stop with this garbage as I'm sure you know better.

WRONG!!!

The above was given to the Jews and is in the Old Testament, both of which "modern day / worldview" christians reject.

You are wrong.
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or The Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
(Matthew 5: 17)
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
(Matthew 5:18)
.... in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
(Romans 1:4).

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments."
(Matthew 22:37-40)
The commandments Still apply in the new testament.

[AdamB]

Adamb, can Allah be worshiped without mentioning Muhammed?

I've posted on this before.

yes

[AdamB]

^^^well can you answer or direct me to where you have answered, why Muslims reverence Muhammed above other prophets?

Yuh beating a dead horse.

We don't worship Muhammad, who is a man, NOT GOD or a god.

We don't worship him, however you worship Jesus, accept it.

There are 3 categories of ONENESS OF GOD:

1. Lordship (Creator, Sustainer, Giver of Life and Death)

2. Divinity (Worship)

3. Names and Attributes.

These belong to GOD only, ascribing any of these to Jesus IS MAKING JESUS A god, when he is just a man. Your worship of him or to him does not reach GOD and will not be accepted.

Your deeds, then, will be like a mirage, like scattered dust, non-existent or of no benefit to you in the hereafter.

[MG Man]

if u guys don;t worship muhammad, why get so anal when cartoonists poke fun at him?

[AdamB]

if u guys don;t worship muhammad, why get so anal when cartoonists poke fun at him?

Ask those who get "so anal".

[noyztoyz]

if u guys don;t worship muhammad, why get so anal when cartoonists poke fun at him?

thats the reason why there is an image associated with jesus and none with muhammad.

When muslims think of Muhammad theres no human face we cud put to it, so theres no human face in our head when we pray and make supplication

may those who do continue to be anal