The Religion Discussion

[achillies]

I am trying to explain to you that I did not make a choice, I read the book and I did not dismiss it nor did I accept it. You on the other hand accepted the Bible over the other books, therefore you need to show why, not me. It's really not that complicated.

Allow me a moment to let this sink in thoroughly, you neither accept it as truth nor believe it to be fairytales, it is just there

You made a claim that the bible alone gives an orderly record of Adam and Noah etc. - when you make a claim you need to back it up with proof. The Qur'an and the Torah also give accounts of Adam and Noah etc, what makes their account any less than that of the Bible? The burden of proof is on the person making the claim i.e. you.

To summarize, in my studies the version in the Bible is much closer to what is written in the Torah (I have not read the Torah as a whole yet), some would say, in certain parts, that it is exactly the same, which would not be surprising given the author, but, now I have realize a mistake I made, you asked to compare 3 books, I admitted to never looking at one of them, then you asked about 2 books, and then I used the word only, so in the use of that word, I was only thinking of the 2 books you asked about, but now you are including the Torah, which was never mentioned before, so it was a mental mistake on my part personally to use the word only but such is life....

There is some work I am doing with this that is inclusive of the Qur'an, the Torah and science, but I can't talk about this now as I am unsure of it, but I am seeking to find out

There is much more I can put here, but you are easily distracted, chew on the above

The tooth fairy argument is to demonstrate to you that accepting a claim without proof, we might as well say the tooth fairy is real since no one has deeply studied the tooth fairy and every other fairy enough to show that it doesn't exist.

No, we might as well not say that, it is a waste of time, what I may consider proof, may not be enough for you, and that is okay, but this can be thrown all about in many facets of life, including science, if I were to ask you or Lawrence Krauss, prove to me that nothing is not nothing, it is something, prove to me that we can get something from nothing, can you, could he, no, they cannot, but that is a claim that they make, so who is the burden of proof on then? But they want us to believe that this is where the universe came from....nothing

But you know what, if after all this simple logic and you still don't get it, I don't think you will. So I'm going to stop repeating myself now. Thank you.

Okay

But iz a good thing I came on the website, you either posted the youtube video in your old post after I already replied or Tapatalk didn't display it

Which is it Duane?

EDIT: I checked, it's my Tapatalk

[MG Man]

[AdamB]

I am trying to explain to you that I did not make a choice, I read the book and I did not dismiss it nor did I accept it. You on the other hand accepted the Bible over the other books, therefore you need to show why, not me. It's really not that complicated.

Allow me a moment to let this sink in thoroughly, you neither accept it as truth nor believe it to be fairytales, it is just there

You made a claim that the bible alone gives an orderly record of Adam and Noah etc. - when you make a claim you need to back it up with proof. The Qur'an and the Torah also give accounts of Adam and Noah etc, what makes their account any less than that of the Bible? The burden of proof is on the person making the claim i.e. you.

To summarize, in my studies the version in the Bible is much closer to what is written in the Torah (I have not read the Torah as a whole yet), some would say, in certain parts, that it is exactly the same, which would not be surprising given the author, but, now I have realize a mistake I made, you asked to compare 3 books, I admitted to never looking at one of them, then you asked about 2 books, and then I used the word only, so in the use of that word, I was only thinking of the 2 books you asked about, but now you are including the Torah, which was never mentioned before, so it was a mental mistake on my part personally to use the word only but such is life....

There is some work I am doing with this that is inclusive of the Qur'an, the Torah and science, but I can't talk about this now as I am unsure of it, but I am seeking to find out

There is much more I can put here, but you are easily distracted, chew on the above

The tooth fairy argument is to demonstrate to you that accepting a claim without proof, we might as well say the tooth fairy is real since no one has deeply studied the tooth fairy and every other fairy enough to show that it doesn't exist.

No, we might as well not say that, it is a waste of time, what I may consider proof, may not be enough for you, and that is okay, but this can be thrown all about in many facets of life, including science, if I were to ask you or Lawrence Krauss, prove to me that nothing is not nothing, it is something, prove to me that we can get something from nothing, can you, could he, no, they cannot, but that is a claim that they make, so who is the burden of proof on then? But they want us to believe that this is where the universe came from....nothing

But you know what, if after all this simple logic and you still don't get it, I don't think you will. So I'm going to stop repeating myself now. Thank you.

Okay

But iz a good thing I came on the website, you either posted the youtube video in your old post after I already replied or Tapatalk didn't display it

Which is it Duane?

EDIT: I checked, it's my Tapatalk

D man backpedalling!!

So he didn't read the Torah, assuming it's maybe the same as the Old Testament which they ignore.

I doubt that he even ventured to understand what was the message of the Quran and the messenger to whom it was sent.

The Quran is the WORD of GOD HIMSELF. In it HE informs about (i) HIMSELF (ii) the Creation including man of course and (iii) Laws from GOD by which man is commanded to live in society.

The messenger explained and showed the way, leading and being the best exemplar for man to follow in all walks of life, husband, father, ruler, judge, leader of army, doer of good deeds, etc.

Then my brother above settled on the Bible, making a noble attempt to study it. But how can you study it? Which sect? Which methodology? How do you choose from them? Unitarians? Trinitarians?

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US!

[Kasey]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

[AdamB]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

At least d man sincere, he has good intention. His knowledge has been corrupted but his sincerity seems to be intact because he what he sees as the truth, he stands firm on it.

This is better than those who delve in scholastic theology. Why? Because they replace the revealed texts from GOD with their intellect.

Those who sincerely seek the guidance from GOD will attain what they desire.

[achillies]

I am trying to explain to you that I did not make a choice, I read the book and I did not dismiss it nor did I accept it. You on the other hand accepted the Bible over the other books, therefore you need to show why, not me. It's really not that complicated.

Allow me a moment to let this sink in thoroughly, you neither accept it as truth nor believe it to be fairytales, it is just there

You made a claim that the bible alone gives an orderly record of Adam and Noah etc. - when you make a claim you need to back it up with proof. The Qur'an and the Torah also give accounts of Adam and Noah etc, what makes their account any less than that of the Bible? The burden of proof is on the person making the claim i.e. you.

To summarize, in my studies the version in the Bible is much closer to what is written in the Torah (I have not read the Torah as a whole yet), some would say, in certain parts, that it is exactly the same, which would not be surprising given the author, but, now I have realize a mistake I made, you asked to compare 3 books, I admitted to never looking at one of them, then you asked about 2 books, and then I used the word only, so in the use of that word, I was only thinking of the 2 books you asked about, but now you are including the Torah, which was never mentioned before, so it was a mental mistake on my part personally to use the word only but such is life....

There is some work I am doing with this that is inclusive of the Qur'an, the Torah and science, but I can't talk about this now as I am unsure of it, but I am seeking to find out

There is much more I can put here, but you are easily distracted, chew on the above

The tooth fairy argument is to demonstrate to you that accepting a claim without proof, we might as well say the tooth fairy is real since no one has deeply studied the tooth fairy and every other fairy enough to show that it doesn't exist.

No, we might as well not say that, it is a waste of time, what I may consider proof, may not be enough for you, and that is okay, but this can be thrown all about in many facets of life, including science, if I were to ask you or Lawrence Krauss, prove to me that nothing is not nothing, it is something, prove to me that we can get something from nothing, can you, could he, no, they cannot, but that is a claim that they make, so who is the burden of proof on then? But they want us to believe that this is where the universe came from....nothing

But you know what, if after all this simple logic and you still don't get it, I don't think you will. So I'm going to stop repeating myself now. Thank you.

Okay

But iz a good thing I came on the website, you either posted the youtube video in your old post after I already replied or Tapatalk didn't display it

Which is it Duane?

EDIT: I checked, it's my Tapatalk

D man backpedalling!!

So he didn't read the Torah, assuming it's maybe the same as the Old Testament which they ignore.

I doubt that he even ventured to understand what was the message of the Quran and the messenger to whom it was sent.

The Quran is the WORD of GOD HIMSELF. In it HE informs about (i) HIMSELF (ii) the Creation including man of course and (iii) Laws from GOD by which man is commanded to live in society.

The messenger explained and showed the way, leading and being the best exemplar for man to follow in all walks of life, husband, father, ruler, judge, leader of army, doer of good deeds, etc.

Then my brother above settled on the Bible, making a noble attempt to study it. But how can you study it? Which sect? Which methodology? How do you choose from them? Unitarians? Trinitarians?

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US!

Back peddling from?

The Torah is written in Hebrew, (that language you said is dead)
The bible has had many translations from Hebrew to English, with many mistranslations existing in it (I never claimed it to be perfect, but harmonious) but we seek to read these books in English, as far as I can tell

There are many words that exist in English that have no translation in Hebrew or Greek, so mistranslations are inevitable, and let's not talk about idioms, this is why the study of those languages become a necessity, key word, study. And if you didn't, then you can never grasp the plan as it is laid out.

I can go into a history of the origins of the bible, and many other bibles, including the Vulgate as you mentioned but I honestly don't want to, I assume the information should be readily accessible on the interwebz, and I doubt that I can find the time to type it all out. So I try to be as short as possible

And AdamB, while I never deeply studied the Qur'an, I also never said that the bible is 'better' or claim any religion as 'better' and I think I made that clear earlier iirc, the plan from the fall of Adam to the restoration of the entire human race, ALL who have ever lived, regardless of religion or belief is laid bare, and I didn't see this plan in the Qur'an and I never attacked you on what I did see in my studies, instead I asked you some questions about innocent non-believers, and you failed to answer.

I have also seen you saying some things that you think I believe, and I ignored, I wrote that off as you looking for friends, but you overdoing it now though, you should cool it.

You and I both believe in the existence of a god, so that's one hurdle, if you have a question, ask, don't assume, just be prepared to answer also.

[achillies]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

At least d man sincere, he has good intention. His knowledge has been corrupted but his sincerity seems to be intact because he what he sees as the truth, he stands firm on it.

This is better than those who delve in scholastic theology. Why? Because they replace the revealed texts from GOD with their intellect.

Those who sincerely seek the guidance from GOD will attain what they desire.

Thank you, I can live with that, for the most part, but I can't understand the sitting on the fence without admitting you're sitting on a fence

[achillies]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

Obviously you have, maybe you can explain it then

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

And AdamB, while I never deeply studied the Qur'an, I also never said that the bible is 'better' or claim any religion as 'better' and I think I made that clear earlier iirc, the plan from the fall of Adam to the restoration of the entire human race, ALL who have ever lived, regardless of religion or belief is laid bare, and I didn't see this plan in the Qur'an and I never attacked you on what I did see in my studies, instead I asked you some questions about innocent non-believers, and you failed to answer.

I have also seen you saying some things that you think I believe, and I ignored, I wrote that off as you looking for friends, but you overdoing it now though, you should cool it.

You and I both believe in the existence of a god, so that's one hurdle, if you have a question, ask, don't assume, just be prepared to answer also.

The bible alone gives an orderly record of Adam and his descendants to the flood, and explanation of why the flood came and what purpose it served in the Divine program, a record of the time immediately following the flood and carries a genealogical line from Adam to Noah to Abraham to the nation of Isreal.T

The messages in the Bible are in harmony from Genesis to Revelation, with 66 books and written by 38 different pens over a period of nearly 2000 years, the writers are in FULL accord, telling the one story.

The very fact that the sins and weaknesses of prophets, Kings and Priests are laid bare in the scriptures, without any animosity or any desire to colour or whiten them indicates fairness and a loyalty to the truth beyond anything, unfavorable truths are not ignored/hidden, Jesus dies between two thieves,, he was betrayed by his own disciples, they all left him and fled, one even denied him with cursing, the humble origins of disciples are stated and it has been innocently declared that when apostles Peter and John spoke, learned hearers could perceive that they were ignorant and un-learned men, they marvelled, and they took knowledge of them.

From the opening statement to the closing one, there is one theme, the divine plan

I will stop here for now, as this is something, because of my studies, I can go on about

so you say in your last post "I also never said that the bible is 'better'", but then above you said "The bible alone gives an orderly record" of those things.

the Qur'an and the Torah give records of those same people and accounts. Granted the Qur'an is not structured in chronological order, it is structured from the longest surah to the shortest.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

At least d man sincere, he has good intention. His knowledge has been corrupted but his sincerity seems to be intact because he what he sees as the truth, he stands firm on it.

he can say the exact same thing of you.

In fact the same could be said of a 5 year old convincing us that Santa Claus dropped presents for him under the tree on Christmas night because that's what Santa does for kids who are good and kind.

This is better than those who delve in scholastic theology. Why? Because they replace the revealed texts from GOD with their intellect.

While I understand your reference is for scholastic theology alone, where would we be if mankind didn't go beyond the teachings of the holy text and use man's intellect to develop modern medicine and technology?

if everyone spent all their time learning nothing more than the holy text, where would technology be today?

[AdamB]

At least d man sincere, he has good intention. His knowledge has been corrupted but his sincerity seems to be intact because he what he sees as the truth, he stands firm on it.

he can say the exact same thing of you.
Yes he could but my concepts have firmer basis derived from scriptures and make sense (or more sense).

In fact the same could be said of a 5 year old convincing us that Santa Claus dropped presents for him under the tree on Christmas night because that's what Santa does for kids who are good and kind.

This is better than those who delve in scholastic theology. Why? Because they replace the revealed texts from GOD with their intellect.

While I understand your reference is for scholastic theology alone, where would we be if mankind didn't go beyond the teachings of the holy text and use man's intellect to develop modern medicine and technology?
Quite right, I was referring to knowledge about GOD and related matters. The prophets were the best of humanity at their respective times. This does not oppose science and technology at all.

Can we say that Bill Gates is a modern day prophet or Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs or the Nobel prize winners?

if everyone spent all their time learning nothing more than the holy text, where would technology be today?

No one said that and true religious teachings do not keep down learning / knowledge / science / technology.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Yes he could but my concepts have firmer basis derived from scriptures and make sense (or more sense).

to you!

Quite right, I was referring to knowledge about GOD and related matters. The prophets were the best of humanity at their respective times. This does not oppose science and technology at all.

Can we say that Bill Gates is a modern day prophet or Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs or the Nobel prize winners?

i never said it opposes it, and no I wouldn't consider them prophets! A prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them, serving as an intermediary - neither of them have claimed that.

if everyone spent all their time learning nothing more than the holy text, where would technology be today?

No one said that and true religious teachings do not keep down learning / knowledge / science / technology.

oh goar, re-read my question

I meant if since the days of the Prophet, if everyone in the world followed Islam and only attended hafiz, aalim courses etc alone and nothing other than Islamic studies. Where would technology be today? And this question goes for all religions.

I know it is not human nature for every single person to do this, but I'm asking "what if?"

[Kasey]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

Obviously you have, maybe you can explain it then

Nope, I am not going to waste valuable time too. Duane had it pretty basic, but you didnt understand. Just like you didnt understand my old Chinese saying, else you would not have bothered to still ask me to explain.

[Kasey]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

At least d man sincere, he has good intentionI dont dispute his intention. His knowledge has been corrupted tihs is your belief, not factbut his sincerity seems to be intact because he what he sees as the truth, he stands firm on it.

This is better than those who delve in scholastic theology. Why? Because they replace the revealed texts from GOD with their intellect.What???? What is this 'replacement'? Pal, Atheists, dont believe in the concept of god, there is nothing to 'replace'

Those who sincerely seek the guidance from GOD will attain what they desireno they will not, according to the FSM.

[achillies]

And AdamB, while I never deeply studied the Qur'an, I also never said that the bible is 'better' or claim any religion as 'better' and I think I made that clear earlier iirc, the plan from the fall of Adam to the restoration of the entire human race, ALL who have ever lived, regardless of religion or belief is laid bare, and I didn't see this plan in the Qur'an and I never attacked you on what I did see in my studies, instead I asked you some questions about innocent non-believers, and you failed to answer.

I have also seen you saying some things that you think I believe, and I ignored, I wrote that off as you looking for friends, but you overdoing it now though, you should cool it.

You and I both believe in the existence of a god, so that's one hurdle, if you have a question, ask, don't assume, just be prepared to answer also.

The bible alone gives an orderly record of Adam and his descendants to the flood, and explanation of why the flood came and what purpose it served in the Divine program, a record of the time immediately following the flood and carries a genealogical line from Adam to Noah to Abraham to the nation of Isreal.T

The messages in the Bible are in harmony from Genesis to Revelation, with 66 books and written by 38 different pens over a period of nearly 2000 years, the writers are in FULL accord, telling the one story.

The very fact that the sins and weaknesses of prophets, Kings and Priests are laid bare in the scriptures, without any animosity or any desire to colour or whiten them indicates fairness and a loyalty to the truth beyond anything, unfavorable truths are not ignored/hidden, Jesus dies between two thieves,, he was betrayed by his own disciples, they all left him and fled, one even denied him with cursing, the humble origins of disciples are stated and it has been innocently declared that when apostles Peter and John spoke, learned hearers could perceive that they were ignorant and un-learned men, they marvelled, and they took knowledge of them.

From the opening statement to the closing one, there is one theme, the divine plan

I will stop here for now, as this is something, because of my studies, I can go on about

so you say in your last post "I also never said that the bible is 'better'", but then above you said "The bible alone gives an orderly record" of those things.

the Qur'an and the Torah give records of those same people and accounts. Granted the Qur'an is not structured in chronological order, it is structured from the longest surah to the shortest.

But you never asked about the Torah, you asked about the Qur'an, the Gita and the bible, I then said, I never read the Gita in any form or fashion, you then removed it from the equation, and you then asked about the Qur'an and the bible.

I haven't read every holy book or every version of every holy book, when I used the word only, it was between the things you compared

It's is quite obvious to anyone who attempted to read the Torah that if it is brought into the equation, that my statement is made false, the OT is considered by many as a badly mistranslated version of the Torah, among other things

[achillies]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

Obviously you have, maybe you can explain it then

Nope, I am not going to waste valuable time too. Duane had it pretty basic, but you didnt understand. Just like you didnt understand my old Chinese saying, else you would not have bothered to still ask me to explain.

Okay, no probs

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

And AdamB, while I never deeply studied the Qur'an, I also never said that the bible is 'better' or claim any religion as 'better' and I think I made that clear earlier iirc, the plan from the fall of Adam to the restoration of the entire human race, ALL who have ever lived, regardless of religion or belief is laid bare, and I didn't see this plan in the Qur'an and I never attacked you on what I did see in my studies, instead I asked you some questions about innocent non-believers, and you failed to answer.

I have also seen you saying some things that you think I believe, and I ignored, I wrote that off as you looking for friends, but you overdoing it now though, you should cool it.

You and I both believe in the existence of a god, so that's one hurdle, if you have a question, ask, don't assume, just be prepared to answer also.

The bible alone gives an orderly record of Adam and his descendants to the flood, and explanation of why the flood came and what purpose it served in the Divine program, a record of the time immediately following the flood and carries a genealogical line from Adam to Noah to Abraham to the nation of Isreal.T

The messages in the Bible are in harmony from Genesis to Revelation, with 66 books and written by 38 different pens over a period of nearly 2000 years, the writers are in FULL accord, telling the one story.

The very fact that the sins and weaknesses of prophets, Kings and Priests are laid bare in the scriptures, without any animosity or any desire to colour or whiten them indicates fairness and a loyalty to the truth beyond anything, unfavorable truths are not ignored/hidden, Jesus dies between two thieves,, he was betrayed by his own disciples, they all left him and fled, one even denied him with cursing, the humble origins of disciples are stated and it has been innocently declared that when apostles Peter and John spoke, learned hearers could perceive that they were ignorant and un-learned men, they marvelled, and they took knowledge of them.

From the opening statement to the closing one, there is one theme, the divine plan

I will stop here for now, as this is something, because of my studies, I can go on about

so you say in your last post "I also never said that the bible is 'better'", but then above you said "The bible alone gives an orderly record" of those things.

the Qur'an and the Torah give records of those same people and accounts. Granted the Qur'an is not structured in chronological order, it is structured from the longest surah to the shortest.

But you never asked about the Torah, you asked about the Qur'an, the Gita and the bible, I then said, I never read the Gita in any form or fashion, you then removed it from the equation, and you then asked about the Qur'an and the bible.

I haven't read every holy book or every version of every holy book, when I used the word only, it was between the things you compared

It's is quite obvious to anyone who attempted to read the Torah that if it is brought into the equation, that my statement is made false, the OT is considered by many as a badly mistranslated version of the Torah, among other things

ok now even I think you are backpedaling.

[Chimera]

[Kasey]

^^ I'll take two please. PM price ASAP.

[nareshseep]

[achillies]

ok now even I think you are backpedaling.

Did you mention the Torah when you asked the question?

[ilikedesifem]

God doesn't exist. get with it, fawkers.

[ilikedesifem]

Just a question:

Why do religious people not step out of modern society? I see plenty of Christians, Muslims and Hindus taking time to lime, look the Bible, Koran and Gita say it's wrong to lime.

I think religious people should essentially be second class citizens. They all believe this life is to be tough, look to the afterlife nah?

[Rooki3]

what, where in those books said u cant be social?

[marlener]

where in the bible,koran or gita says it's wrong to lime?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

ok now even I think you are backpedaling.

Did you mention the Torah when you asked the question?

I mentioned it before but I didnt mention it the other time. What difference does it make if I didnt mention the Torah? The question I asked is what makes the bible right and any other book wrong (some postings I used the Gita, in other's the Qur'an, in others the Torah just to show I had no preference, but wanted to know why you did)

you said "The bible alone gives an orderly record of Adam and his descendants to the flood, and explanation of why the flood came and what purpose it served in the Divine program, a record of the time immediately following the flood and carries a genealogical line from Adam to Noah to Abraham to the nation of Isreal." which showed your bias since all three books talk of Adam, Noah and Abraham etc in the same way.

so me not mentioning the torah the other time changes what?

[AdamB]

Just a question:

Why do religious people not step out of modern society? I see plenty of Christians, Muslims and Hindus taking time to lime, look the Bible, Koran and Gita say it's wrong to lime.

I think religious people should essentially be second class citizens. They all believe this life is to be tough, look to the afterlife nah?

But what de $@#&^%, I was real liming yesterday!! LOL

And where did you get the notion of classifying people in a CLASS STRUCTURE? Did that come from a religion or the animal kingdom?

[AdamB]

Well its obvious achillies is a fundamentalist. He has not understood what Duane is trying to say for the past 6 pages. His retorts are humorous though.

Duane, old Chinese saying go: "One cannot reason with a closed mind". Dont waste your time on achillies.

At least d man sincere, he has good intention. His knowledge has been corrupted but his sincerity seems to be intact because he what he sees as the truth, he stands firm on it.

This is better than those who delve in scholastic theology. Why? Because they replace the revealed texts from GOD with their intellect.

Those who sincerely seek the guidance from GOD will attain what they desire.

Thank you, I can live with that, for the most part, but I can't understand the sitting on the fence without admitting you're sitting on a fence

This last comment could not possibly be addressed to me, maybe Duane who said, "I am trying to explain to you that I did not make a choice, I read the book and I did not dismiss it nor did I accept it."

I believe that's admitting to "sitting on the fence". At least he's not gullible and reasonably minded to dismiss the fairy tales that you RISK your Hereafter by believing in it. (That GOD has a son, or that HE came on Earth in the form of a man/GOD, the son died to save d sins of man, etc).

[AdamB]

And AdamB, while I never deeply studied the Qur'an, I also never said that the bible is 'better' or claim any religion as 'better' and I think I made that clear earlier iirc, the plan from the fall of Adam to the restoration of the entire human race, ALL who have ever lived, regardless of religion or belief is laid bare, and I didn't see this plan in the Qur'an
So you made a mistake here because you looked for something that was in the Bible, not finding it you dismissed the Quran.

The Quran was sent to correct the wrong concepts INTRODUCED in the Bible. You should have looked for the REVISIONS TO THE PLAN.

It's like GOD sending a memo, you don't say it doesn't have something that was contained in the previous one on the same subject matter. Rather you look for the changes and NEW instructions to follow.

and I never attacked you on what I did see in my studies, instead I asked you some questions about innocent non-believers, and you failed to answer.
When I was actively involved in the discussions here, there came along some persons (DFC, RedFraction, etc) with exhaustive lists of questions. I told them that I was permanently employed so could not entertain to answer ALL immediately.

I still haven't decided to re-enter the discussions here fully. Actually, I saw you (or someone else) made a comment about Islam or the Quran, so I sought to correct that only.

I have also seen you saying some things that you think I believe, and I ignored, I wrote that off as you looking for friends, but you overdoing it now though, you should cool it.

You and I both believe in the existence of a god, so that's one hurdle, if you have a question, ask, don't assume, just be prepared to answer also.

If you have one question at a time, I may venture to answer.

[AdamB]

where in the bible,koran or gita says it's wrong to lime?

Well it have good liming and bad liming or beneficial and "waste-ah-time".

The actions of the prophets would have set the precedent, ie who did Jesus hang out with? Did he frequent whore-houses and rum shops and gambling institutions?