What is the PNM's plan for the economy?

[Redman]

He just need to be seen as doing something.....but if the point was to stop online shopping then ban it.

If you want to reduce it in a relevant manner then tax it 30% 40 or 50%

a 7 % tax is a nuisance tax that we all will shrug off and continue as we were.

So its a revenue mechanism.

The Fact is that the online shoppers are more likely to pay taxes due..and create more employment per unit than the business people that bribing customs to ignore their under invoicing.

Ala the Dog food Chicken scenario.

[drchaos]

let me get this straight, a hospital promised for decades to an area desperate for one with a large catchment area, that was initiated by one Gov't and intended to be completed by another is dumb? Difficult economic times does not mean standstill economic activity, it means the Gov't of the day has to chose which projects to do and where to use it's reduced finances as best as possible. Let's be real the Gov't has stated it will open the children's hospital so not sure what the grouse is there, then lets looks at the location of the CH and it's intent vs the Arima hospital. in terms of service which becomes a priority? Sangre Grande covers the entire east coast and does yeoman service, Mt Hope does the same for Arima to POS/Central, there has been need for this hospital for a long time in an area that has a steadily increasing population. So to the dissenters what do you suggest?

The solution is a simple one, primary care and there are so many models that work around the world that we can adapt. The health center model has fallen flat on its face and has been rubbing its face in the mud for donkey years. Health care in this country does not need anymore big/brand spanking new hospitals. Once primary care is fixed the amount of demand on the tertiary care facilities will drop. Also efficiency, waste and corruption should addressed in the health care system and you will get more value for money, most important in a recession.
This is the most pressing concern and what should be focused on. Terrance mentioned this when they came into power but it will never be done as there are no mega contracts to be given out in fixing and making a system more efficient, therefore less ability for leakage into politicians pockets.

But people like Habbit will continue to fool and be fooled themselves.

[bluesclues]

To be clear, the sales tax to Florida is only for noobs. I've done 3 order past 2 weeks and none were taxed.

[drchaos]

There goes Habit's amazon sales tax argument ...


Order Summary copy and paste from amazon site ...

Items: $81.00
Shipping & handling: $0.00
Total before tax: $81.00
Estimated tax to be collected: $0.00
Order total: $81.00

[eliteauto]

He just need to be seen as doing something.....but if the point was to stop online shopping then ban it.

If you want to reduce it in a relevant manner then tax it 30% 40 or 50%

a 7 % tax is a nuisance tax that we all will shrug off and continue as we were.

So its a revenue mechanism.

The Fact is that the online shoppers are more likely to pay taxes due..and create more employment per unit than the business people that bribing customs to ignore their under invoicing.

Ala the Dog food Chicken scenario.

can you expand on this point a bit, interested to know what you mean

[Pirate]

let me get this straight, a hospital promised for decades to an area desperate for one with a large catchment area, that was initiated by one Gov't and intended to be completed by another is dumb? Difficult economic times does not mean standstill economic activity, it means the Gov't of the day has to chose which projects to do and where to use it's reduced finances as best as possible. Let's be real the Gov't has stated it will open the children's hospital so not sure what the grouse is there, then lets looks at the location of the CH and it's intent vs the Arima hospital. in terms of service which becomes a priority? Sangre Grande covers the entire east coast and does yeoman service, Mt Hope does the same for Arima to POS/Central, there has been need for this hospital for a long time in an area that has a steadily increasing population. So to the dissenters what do you suggest?

A highway was promised over donkey years and when being built Kubs delayed a major connecting section causing a lot of problems. When a structure is being built and material is left dormant to face the weather many times it has to be redone due to water seepage and other issues. The current government has been boldface in the spreading propaganda about the completion % and payments; will it be completed or left abandoned? I guess it was not "dumb" in this case? I am not accepting that the money to be spent to complete is not available as the $1.8billion will be enough if properly managed (as that is what the Rowley administration was preaching before elections). And as you said, difficult times should not result in wastage of an existing project. Additionally it will benefit the entire southern peninsula. I know some commitment has been given for the highway, but the longer it is left idle the more corrective work will have to be done.
Note that I am not against the Arima hospital but I have little confidence in the man who "built" the Scarborough hospital actually completing it...
I will stand corrected if it is completed on time and within budget however this is what we should be expecting from the start.

[Habit7]

There goes Habit's amazon sales tax argument ...


Order Summary copy and paste from amazon site ...

Items: $81.00
Shipping & handling: $0.00
Total before tax: $81.00
Estimated tax to be collected: $0.00
Order total: $81.00

What is the item? Is it subject to sales tax?
Where is being delivered to? Is it being delivered to Florida, site of most skyboxes?

Also for you to say that we do not need new hospitals you obviously never visited POSGH or SFGH. Either that or you have a penchant for British colonial infrastructure. The district health facility model was started by Panday, continued by Manning and Kamla, so to say that it is "rubbing its face in the mud" again is unknown to me. PP built/refurbished 105 health centres so while primary care is being boosted, nothing wrong with boosting secondary and tertiary care facilities . In fact RHA's not hiring many junior house officers because the vacancies are filled but specialists are becoming rare because they don't want to come back to work in the colonial hospitals you love.

If you don't like new hospitals being built then don't go and don't buy stuff online to fund it. Whether UNC or PNM I will enjoy my spent tax money.

[Redman]

He just need to be seen as doing something.....but if the point was to stop online shopping then ban it.

If you want to reduce it in a relevant manner then tax it 30% 40 or 50%

a 7 % tax is a nuisance tax that we all will shrug off and continue as we were.

So its a revenue mechanism.

The Fact is that the online shoppers are more likely to pay taxes due..and create more employment per unit than the business people that bribing customs to ignore their under invoicing.

Ala the Dog food Chicken scenario.

can you expand on this point a bit, interested to know what you mean

Nothing scientific.

I was thinking that the volume of imported goods through 'online shopping' is higher per employee (small business re sellers) than the volume per employee at the commercial importers.

Looking at it now I think Im wrong.


The commercial importers are much more likely to be under invoicing etc than the smaller players.

I buy something-the receipt is in the box. it comes through customs with the actual price I paid.

GORTT is paid in full.I cant influence that.

Containers come in but the importer doctors the invoice,bribes the customs etc

Is it possible that the compliance ratio of the goods purchased is actually higher on the online shopping side than it is on the commercial containerized side?

I dont think the intent is to reduce online shopping-whether I buy a Nike cross trainer ,on Amazon or in a store-the product is imported.

The only difference is that the local purchases concentrates the profits into the merchants hands.


Would it be possible to see which yields more to the country?

1M worth of X imported through online shopping...
or 1M of X purchased locally.

[Pirate]

He just need to be seen as doing something.....but if the point was to stop online shopping then ban it.

If you want to reduce it in a relevant manner then tax it 30% 40 or 50%

a 7 % tax is a nuisance tax that we all will shrug off and continue as we were.

So its a revenue mechanism.

The Fact is that the online shoppers are more likely to pay taxes due..and create more employment per unit than the business people that bribing customs to ignore their under invoicing.

Ala the Dog food Chicken scenario.

can you expand on this point a bit, interested to know what you mean

Nothing scientific.

I was thinking that the volume of imported goods through 'online shopping' is higher per employee (small business re sellers) than the volume per employee at the commercial importers.

Looking at it now I think Im wrong.


The commercial importers are much more likely to be under invoicing etc than the smaller players.

I buy something-the receipt is in the box. it comes through customs with the actual price I paid.

GORTT is paid in full.I cant influence that.

Containers come in but the importer doctors the invoice,bribes the customs etc

Is it possible that the compliance ratio of the goods purchased is actually higher on the online shopping side than it is on the commercial containerized side?

I dont think the intent is to reduce online shopping-whether I buy a Nike cross trainer ,on Amazon or in a store-the product is imported.

The only difference is that the local purchases concentrates the profits into the merchants hands.


Would it be possible to see which yields more to the country?

1M worth of X imported through online shopping...
or 1M of X purchased locally.

On point and it happens daily.
The ugly part is that the big importers charge the highest for the same products too...

[zoom rader]

^^^ Importers are largely PNM financiers and it has nothing to do using your US credit card on the net.

[drchaos]

There goes Habit's amazon sales tax argument ...


Order Summary copy and paste from amazon site ...

Items: $81.00
Shipping & handling: $0.00
Total before tax: $81.00
Estimated tax to be collected: $0.00
Order total: $81.00

What is the item? Is it subject to sales tax?
Where is being delivered to? Is it being delivered to Florida, site of most skyboxes?

Also for you to say that we do not need new hospitals you obviously never visited POSGH or SFGH. Either that or you have a penchant for British colonial infrastructure. The district health facility model was started by Panday, continued by Manning and Kamla, so to say that it is "rubbing its face in the mud" again is unknown to me. PP built/refurbished 105 health centres so while primary care is being boosted, nothing wrong with boosting secondary and tertiary care facilities . In fact RHA's not hiring many junior house officers because the vacancies are filled but specialists are becoming rare because they don't want to come back to work in the colonial hospitals you love.

If you don't like new hospitals being built then don't go and don't buy stuff online to fund it. Whether UNC or PNM I will enjoy my spent tax money.

Just tossed a pair of headphones, a galaxy s6, some wheat grass powder, a laptop, head lights assembly for a car and nil sales tax to Miami ...
It seems their exemption list is quite large in addition to there are ways to avoid the tax altogether.

Visit SFGH? Lol try going there 6 days a week for 4 years. From what you have posted above it seems your "visit" hasn't taught you much about the healthcare system ....
As usually the cretins in society think that problems are tackled by throwing new buildings at it because the builds are "old" and "colonial" are the words you used. How about fixing the broken system first?
Have you ever had a "visit" at the health centers? I'm guessing not since your response is above.

Also the hiring freeze of juniors doctors has nothing to do with "the vacancies are filled". SFGH A&E and CDHF A&E do not have their full compliment of junior doctors. SFGH A&E has operated with anywhere between 40% to 60% of the junior doctors its needs over the last 4 years (its been worse over the last 10 years) and that is just one department.
Its a combination of lack of funds, turmoil on the board and politicians playing politics.

[Habit7]

There goes Habit's amazon sales tax argument ...


Order Summary copy and paste from amazon site ...

Items: $81.00
Shipping & handling: $0.00
Total before tax: $81.00
Estimated tax to be collected: $0.00
Order total: $81.00

What is the item? Is it subject to sales tax?
Where is being delivered to? Is it being delivered to Florida, site of most skyboxes?

Also for you to say that we do not need new hospitals you obviously never visited POSGH or SFGH. Either that or you have a penchant for British colonial infrastructure. The district health facility model was started by Panday, continued by Manning and Kamla, so to say that it is "rubbing its face in the mud" again is unknown to me. PP built/refurbished 105 health centres so while primary care is being boosted, nothing wrong with boosting secondary and tertiary care facilities . In fact RHA's not hiring many junior house officers because the vacancies are filled but specialists are becoming rare because they don't want to come back to work in the colonial hospitals you love.

If you don't like new hospitals being built then don't go and don't buy stuff online to fund it. Whether UNC or PNM I will enjoy my spent tax money.

Just tossed a pair of headphones, a galaxy s6, some wheat grass powder, a laptop, head lights assembly for a car and nil sales tax to Miami ...
It seems their exemption list is quite large in addition to there are ways to avoid the tax altogether.

Visit SFGH? Lol try going there 6 days a week for 4 years. From what you have posted above it seems your "visit" hasn't taught you much about the healthcare system ....
As usually the cretins in society think that problems are tackled by throwing new buildings at it because the builds are "old" and "colonial" are the words you used. How about fixing the broken system first?
Have you ever had a "visit" at the health centers? I'm guessing not since your response is above.

Also the hiring freeze of juniors doctors has nothing to do with "the vacancies are filled". SFGH A&E and CDHF A&E do not have their full compliment of junior doctors. SFGH A&E has operated with anywhere between 40% to 60% of the junior doctors its needs over the last 4 years (its been worse over the last 10 years) and that is just one department.
Its a combination of lack of funds, turmoil on the board and politicians playing politics.

I don't know what phishing site you are on. But on Amazon, a Galaxy S6 to Miami will get taxed.

Again if you want to stay in a hospital where you worried about mosquitoes on the ward, rain wetting the slippery corridor or roving packs of stray dogs walking down the corridors then SFGH was great for you. Doctors who are studying in UK and US are reluctant to return to our conditions. There are other factors but infrastructure is primarily one of them. Nothing is wrong with walking and whistling at the same time.

[drchaos]

Shipping to Pompano Beach.

Real school boy error there boy Habbit ... you pay higher prices and US taxes.
We foreign exchange going down the drain when basic skills like shopping on amazon going over your head.

No wonder the health system is in such a "Great state"! With policy makers thinking like you and formulating ideas for improving the health sector based on a visit to POSGH and SFGH.

Tossing new buildings at a broken system works like this ....
If you take a vagrant off the street and clean him up real good, Italian suit, fancy new shoes, hair cut and a splash of cologne. You then send him back on the streets in weeks time what you think gonna happen to him. He is going to be a smelly, dirty, dysfunctional man in a suit ...

Same thing with happened with the SF teaching hospital, you put a brand spanking new section of a hospital in control of the same system/buffoons.

I have come to conclusion that you like it so boy Habbit ... no more needs to be said.

[Habit7]

Thank God you weren't around in the 80's. We would still be trying to sort out our health sector before we build Mt. Hope and have a med school.

[drchaos]

You still can't manage to get the tax off yet boy Habbit?
Also your price still 31 usd above mine

Try again ...

[De Dragon]

I would say not caring about ppl is rushing to have an opening ceremony for a hospital when you know it is not finish nor has the requisite approvals then locking the doors after the expensive ceremony is finished.

Why would they need revenue streams for the operation costs of 2 hospitals under construction? The online tax will fund one hospital which will soon come online and when the others ready they will get their own revenue generating venture.

The online tax has not been implemented. The idea was put forward for consultation now and will be finally implemented next budget.

There are some that wonder how Venezuela got to be where it is now. A govt that dependent so much on hydrocarbons that took no action in cutting spending and raising revenue because it was unpopular. Trinis want $100 per barrel lifestyle with $45 per barrel money and don't want to make the cuts every oil dependent nation had to make.

Whether it was UNC or PNM it had to be done or we end up like Venezuela.

You duck dat question like facking Neo. Why not open the completed hospital in Couva? Why must the construction of the other 2 hospitals be to the detriment of the completed one? IF as Salty say Couva is a construction zone (Hogwash), then do the easier thing and finish it, staff it and open it. This can surely be done years before Arima and Point Fortin are ready, and it makes you and your cohorts look less like arrogant, imbecilic, spiteful morons.

[eliteauto]

link to where the Gov't said it wasn't opening the Couva hospital?

[Miktay]

The T&T hospital system will never improve if the Medical Cartel of T&T iz allowed 2 operate with impunity.

[De Dragon]

link to where the Gov't said it wasn't opening the Couva hospital?

Never said/implied that it wasn't going to be opened, merely pointed out the inanity of talking about opening hospitals that are 2-3 years away from completion.

[eliteauto]

link to where the Gov't said it wasn't opening the Couva hospital?

Never said/implied that it wasn't going to be opened, merely pointed out the inanity of talking about opening hospitals that are 2-3 years away from completion.

You duck dat question like facking Neo. Why not open the completed hospital in Couva? Why must the construction of the other 2 hospitals be to the detriment of the completed one? IF as Salty say Couva is a construction zone (Hogwash), then do the easier thing and finish it, staff it and open it. This can surely be done years before Arima and Point Fortin are ready, and it makes you and your cohorts look less like arrogant, imbecilic, spiteful morons.

What's inane? Stating that you're gonna compete a project that's already in train which at no time suggests it being done at any cost to another semi-complete project? What's inane? Already stating your plans for the Couva Hospital yet UNCites frothing about it everytime you talk bout another project because they have to oppose for opposing sake? It's funny how that works, PP comes in proceeds to cancel projects and get hailed by the same ppl that now get upset by not cancellations but their apparent vexation at how they think the Gov't should work, it's pretty obvious the Gov't knows how it goes when it comes to detractors the current PM just came off a 5 years smear campaign, I'm sure they'll be less "arrogant, imbecilic, spiteful morons" with legitimate concerns, failing that 2020 isn't too far to voice your displeasure.

[De Dragon]

link to where the Gov't said it wasn't opening the Couva hospital?

Never said/implied that it wasn't going to be opened, merely pointed out the inanity of talking about opening hospitals that are 2-3 years away from completion.

You duck dat question like facking Neo. Why not open the completed hospital in Couva? Why must the construction of the other 2 hospitals be to the detriment of the completed one? IF as Salty say Couva is a construction zone (Hogwash), then do the easier thing and finish it, staff it and open it. This can surely be done years before Arima and Point Fortin are ready, and it makes you and your cohorts look less like arrogant, imbecilic, spiteful morons.

What's inane? Stating that you're gonna compete a project that's already in train which at no time suggests it being done at any cost to another semi-complete project? What's inane? Already stating your plans for the Couva Hospital yet UNCites frothing about it everytime you talk bout another project because they have to oppose for opposing sake? It's funny how that works, PP comes in proceeds to cancel projects and get hailed by the same ppl that now get upset by not cancellations but their apparent vexation at how they think the Gov't should work, it's pretty obvious the Gov't knows how it goes when it comes to detractors the current PM just came off a 5 years smear campaign, I'm sure they'll be less "arrogant, imbecilic, spiteful morons" with legitimate concerns, failing that 2020 isn't too far to voice your displeasure.

Is it at all possible for you, Habit7 etc. to defend the PNM without mentioning the PP/UNC? Does past jackarsery legitimize present jackarsery? Why would the PNM even mention the new hospitals without at least an update on the status of the complete one? Staffing plans? Construction completion plans? Is it that it was never understaffed or a construction site?
The PNM seems to think that they are still on the hustings, when in fact 10 months later we need to see some kind of action on projects that should be politically neutral. Imagine we know more about a 10 year overdue, billions of dollars cost overrun stadium started as a vanity project by the PNM , than the hospital at Couva I'm sorry, but if "we go open it" good enough for you all, it isn't for people of Central who don't have access to a general hospital close by.

[eliteauto]

lolsing at ppl wo don't read the news but comment with authority

[Habit7]

lolsing at ppl wo don't read the news but comment with authority

And when you inform them, correcting their idiocy, they even more vex, ignoring the fact that they were initially vex off of misinformation.

[drchaos]

90% of what Habbit informs people about is PNM propaganda ... The other 10% is where he does make sense.

Being a supporter of the UNC/PNM is this country makes you more or less blind to what is really going on.

[Habit7]

90% of what Habbit informs people about is PNM propaganda ... The other 10% is where he does make sense.

Being a supporter of the UNC/PNM is this country makes you more or less blind to what is really going on.

Well make me a liar. Share a screenshot of a Galaxy S6 going a Florida zip code using the Amazon mobile site. Show how you don't pay sales tax as you claim.

[drchaos]

90% of what Habbit informs people about is PNM propaganda ... The other 10% is where he does make sense.

Being a supporter of the UNC/PNM is this country makes you more or less blind to what is really going on.

Well make me a liar. Share a screenshot of a Galaxy S6 going a Florida zip code using the Amazon mobile site. Show how you don't pay sales tax as you claim.

90% of what Habbit informs people about is PNM propaganda ... The other 10% is where he does make sense.

Being a supporter of the UNC/PNM is this country makes you more or less blind to what is really going on.

Well make me a liar. Share a screenshot of a Galaxy S6 going a Florida zip code using Amazon mobile site. Show how you don't pay sales tax as you claim

Weak boy habbit ... Weak ...

[Habit7]

You just as shifty and deceptive as the politicians you criticise. I gave specific instructions and you keep posting things to deceive.

I can do the very same.

The reality is that Trinis whether you like it or not pays sales tax in Florida with Amazon. Beware of lying tuners who say otherwise

[drchaos]

See you finally got it!

Took you long enough, but some people are just a bit slow ... not your fault might be genetics.

You got the taxes off and found it for a cheaper price!
Good job!

[Pirate]

Not true. Sales tax AFAIK only applies if the seller has a physical presence in the state. So buying from a 3rd party outside is technically exempt.

Also please explain why is paying the tax beneficial to Trinis??? Isn't the objective to reduce forex leakage?

[Habit7]

Not true. Sales tax AFAIK only applies if the seller has a physical presence in the state. So buying from a 3rd party outside is technically exempt.

Also please explain why is paying the tax beneficial to Trinis??? Isn't the objective to reduce forex leakage?

No, whether the seller is in Florida or not, with Amazon you pay sales tax. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/201 ... orida.html
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/money ... a/8806145/

The point I was making was that Amazon shoppers using a Florida skybox didnt beat up for paying 6% sales tax to Uncle Sam, why should they beat up to 7% to La Trinite especially if it is going to run the Couva hospital.