The Religion Discussion

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

But there was evidence for Higgs Boson, and there was (looks into the sky) and still is evidence for the moon. But there is no evidence for life outside of Earth, but that would lead us back to your "no faith in science" argument that I defeat a couple pages ago.

that you defeated? LOL

You did not defeat that argument.
I said science does not require faith and that remains a fact regardless of what you want to believe.

I stopped posting in reply to you because you are the guy who believes the earth is 6 thousand years old!

I can only argue with logic - sorry.

In fact astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez has done a massive work to prove to the contrary that life exists outside of Earth due to the highly specific conditions present, and not just the "look! it has water" theory.

Guillermo Gonzalez is a proponent of intelligent design. Science suggests that if it can happen here, then it can happen elsewhere.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Hint: not all religions worship God

examples?

Lol, not going there right now, but many popular religions today worship other 'things' other than God, many worship the religion itself (unknowingly). And throughout human history you would find examples of religions that worshiped, the sun, the moon, animals, some of these which predate present popular religions.

so yes, God and religion are 2 totally different things and one can exist without the other

You don't believe there is a God, religion exists!

Religion exists, is there a God?

"god" is jus a title

there are many gods

so if someone worships the sun, that there is their god

thanks Rooki3, I was just about to post that

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Religion exists, is there a God?

yes, in the same way Zeus exists in Ancient Greek religions

[Habit7]

Well anyone who is willing, could look back will come to their own judgement of how myself and Richard Dawkins disagreed with you.

In fact astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez has done a massive work to prove to the contrary that life exists outside of Earth due to the highly specific conditions present, and not just the "look! it has water" theory.

Guillermo Gonzalez is a proponent of intelligent design. Science suggests that if it can happen here, then it can happen elsewhere.

So because he proposes ID he is wrong? I thought science is about fact? A Ph.D astronomer proposes a hypothesis based on scientific fact and from your behind your keyboard in your ivory tower says he is wrong? Wow you dont have faith, you must have a Ph.D astronomy too?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ All I said was "Guillermo Gonzalez is a proponent of intelligent design.". I never said he was wrong!

you are reading too much into what I am typing. I figured you would, which is why I structured those sentences the way I did. It would explain too why you come to the conclusions you do regarding your beliefs, such as young earth and religion.

So far we have NO empirical evidence of extraterrestrial life in the universe which would result in a conclusion that it therefore does not exist. There is a possibility that earth is the only planet with life in the entire universe, however the evidence that we DO have is that there are alot of suns and planets that may be conducive to life, this greatly increases the possibility - we just have not found them or them us, or they know we are here but not vice versa

there are many hypotheses and concepts surrounding this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

[Habit7]

I never said you said Gonzalez was wrong either

But from what you are saying, do you admit to faith in aliens?

[marlener]

I still find it strange that anyone would make judgement or accusation against God but then if they don`t think he exist no harm no foul right?

[marlener]

Habit7 Adam isn`t the only person that avoids answering question he might be the only one we bash for it but I have already asked that question both on God and easter bunny and tooth fairy.A yes or no is no likely.

[Habit7]

yeah I ask maj.tom and DFC a question too and no response.

[meccalli]

examples?

Buddhism if i'm not mistaken. Unless you count yourself as a deity.

[achillies]

1. God and religion are two completely different things

do you really think so?

can you have one without the other?

I know so

Yes

Hint: not all religions worship God

examples?

Lol, not going there right now, but many popular religions today worship other 'things' other than God, many worship the religion itself (unknowingly). And throughout human history you would find examples of religions that worshiped, the sun, the moon, animals, some of these which predate present popular religions.

so yes, God and religion are 2 totally different things and one can exist without the other

You don't believe there is a God, religion exists!

Religion exists, is there a God?

"god" is jus a title

there are many gods

so if someone worships the sun, that there is their god

It is also fallacy and dogma

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I never said you said Gonzalez was wrong either

In fact astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez has done a massive work to prove to the contrary that life exists outside of Earth due to the highly specific conditions present, and not just the "look! it has water" theory.

Guillermo Gonzalez is a proponent of intelligent design. Science suggests that if it can happen here, then it can happen elsewhere.

So because he proposes ID he is wrong?

so what is this?

But from what you are saying, do you admit to faith in aliens?

faith in aliens? whaaaat? No!

I said there is NO empirical evidence of alien life as yet but that there is evidence that shows a great possibility for their existence i.e. billions and billions of stars and planets - no faith required there!

I've never seen the Beetham dump in person, though I drive by the entrance often, but there is substantial evidence to support a very high possibility that there are flies there (though I've never seen them) - does that mean I have faith in flies?

[achillies]

Religion exists, is there a God?

yes, in the same way Zeus exists in Ancient Greek religions

Has science ever been wrong in the past? from your statements, one would think not

Come quickly and defend your science, in no different way than someone would defend their religion, lol.

[Rooki3]

[DFC]

i still dont Understand why Muslims hate Jews. Well i mean they hate everybody else too, but more so Jews. I'm saying this because they worship the same God right?
In judaism he was called YHVH or yahweh, then Muhammed took 3/4 of the Torah and 1/2 of the Bible and called it the Quran, and renamed YHVH to ALLAH.

So why the hate against Jews Adamb?



Also , Hindu's, Mayans, Egyptians and other ancient religions Worshiped the Sun as God, which makes sense BECAUSE THE SUN ACTUALLY EXISTS.

Their God actually exist which is something Christians, Muslims, Jews cannot say .

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

examples?

Buddhism if i'm not mistaken. Unless you count yourself as a deity.

good example! While Buddhism may not have a deity or call it God, they do believe in the force of the universe in everything, the triple gem which is the highest spiritual potential achievable - again a supernatural level. God is in everything, including you and I.

Buddhism also does not address creation saying questions on the origin of the world are worthless.

[marlener]

Wrong DFC.I am a christian and I can say God exist maybe you cannot but I can.Please don`t speak for the Muslims,Jews or Christian they can speak for themseves.Ask them and they WILL answer your question.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Religion exists, is there a God?

yes, in the same way Zeus exists in Ancient Greek religions

Has science ever been wrong in the past? from your statements, one would think not

Come quickly and defend your science, in no different way than someone would defend their religion, lol.

your logic is worrying

science needs no defence either

scientists are wrong everyday! That's the point of scientific testing!
the difference is that scientists are willing to change their view or conclusion based on the facts they find however religious people do not.

reminds me of this comic

[marlener]

You think Duane? Actually it`s the opposite.The scientists take what they met and try to find out where it came from,while the creationist knows where it came from.

[DFC]

Wrong DFC.I am a christian and I can say God exist maybe you cannot but I can.Please don`t speak for the Muslims,Jews or Christian they can speak for themseves.Ask them and they WILL answer your question.

Well prove it.
That's all.

[Habit7]

That was a question, not a statement.

i.e. billions and billions of stars and planets - no faith required there!

billions and billions of stars and planets proves that there are billions and billions of stars and planets.

anything else is a faith statement.

[nareshseep]

Wrong DFC.I am a christian and I can say God exist maybe you cannot but I can.Please don`t speak for the Muslims,Jews or Christian they can speak for themseves.Ask them and they WILL answer your question.

Well prove it.
That's all.

They can't, its a lost cause.

Everyone needs to be open to the fact that their view may be wrong, If they cannot accept that then discussion cannot take place. They cannot and will not seek to understand differing perspectives. When questioned they will beat around their history books, which they are blindly bound to. With the advancement of the information age, there will be a decline in religion. In the next 100 years there will be more atheist than theists in the world, unless there is a religious war which is highly probable.

Most religious conversion follow the trend below :-

1 Assault on identity
2 Guilt
3 Self-betrayal
4 Breaking point
5 Leniency
6 Compulsion to confess
7 Channeling of guilt
8 Releasing of guilt
9 Progress and harmony
10 Final confession and rebirth

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/i ... shing1.htm

[marlener]

What will me proving the existence of God do ,will it change your belief? If anyone is really interested in knowing God they would.What is the point of me proving his existence to you? What would it accomplish? Because God needs no defending he is quite capable of defending himself.
Naresh it`s unfortunate that me may not be around to see how on target you are.

[Habit7]

With the advancement of the information age, there will be a decline in religion. In the next 100 years there will be more atheist than theists in the world, unless there is a religious war which is highly probable.

I disagree.

"Atheists" (which I dont believe in) stand on the shoulders of religious morality and yet curses religion. Theists have higher reproductive rates and some of the most atheistic countries are ironically being overpopulated by theist immigrants. Countries that have lived in atheistic communists regimes such as China and Cuba, are having greater and increasing interest in religion (China is said to be one of the largest Christian nation by population).

Besides, wrt that laundry list you accuse religions for doing, who is to say it is wrong? That's just your opinion.

[meccalli]

Richard Dawkins went from atheist to agnostic so..you never know.
edit; in regards to there being for more atheists in the future.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

With the advancement of the information age, there will be a decline in religion. In the next 100 years there will be more atheist than theists in the world, unless there is a religious war which is highly probable.

I disagree.

"Atheists" (which I dont believe in) stand on the shoulders of religious morality and yet curses religion. Theists have higher reproductive rates and some of the most atheistic countries are ironically being overpopulated by theist immigrants. Countries that have lived in atheistic communists regimes such as China and Cuba, are having greater and increasing interest in religion (China is said to be one of the largest Christian nation by population).

Besides, wrt that laundry list you accuse religions for doing, who is to say it is wrong? That's just your opinion.

lol

how do atheists stand on the shoulders of religious morality?

Religion in China overall based on different surveys
Folk religions and Taoism (30%)
Buddhism (18%)
Christianity (4%)
Ethnic minorities indigenous religions (including Vajrayana and Theravada) (4%)
Islam (2%)
Agnostic or atheist (42%)

Unless you mean 4% of 1 billion people means they are one of the largest Christian nation by population - which aint much compared to USA, Brazil etc.

[DFC]

What will me proving the existence of God do ,will it change your belief? If anyone is really interested in knowing God they would.What is the point of me proving his existence to you? What would it accomplish? Because God needs no defending he is quite capable of defending himself.
Naresh it`s unfortunate that me may not be around to see how on target you are.

Ok well Tell your God to come in the forum and defend himself.

I'm going out to buy some popcorn and coffee.
Tonight should be interesting.

[Chimera]

What is the point of me proving his existence to you? What would it accomplish? Because God needs no defending he is quite capable of defending himself.

http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/boar ... 478705.png

[Rooki3]

who says god (whichever one) needs defending to begin with?

[marlener]

Dfc just did.