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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby MaxPower » January 8th, 2025, 6:20 pm

Rowley looking good

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Postby matr1x » January 8th, 2025, 6:23 pm

Rowley is a complete waste and drinking completes his useless image

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Postby paid_influencer » January 8th, 2025, 6:46 pm

calling this now...

this whole episode is a play...

young not becoming PM and rowley not retiring...

the disloyal being flushed out... reckoning coming for them disloyal ones soon...

hail yuh new indian leader if you know what good for yuh. when rowley say to drink the kool aid, is to drink quickly and tell others to drink theirs too

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » January 8th, 2025, 6:53 pm

anybody take een any radio talk shows today? real beans for the new indian leader

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Postby paid_influencer » January 8th, 2025, 7:04 pm

paid_influencer wrote:hail yuh new indian leader if you know what good for yuh. when rowley say to drink the kool aid, is to drink quickly and tell others to drink theirs too

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » January 8th, 2025, 7:19 pm

People trying to get people excited thinking the pnm going to mash up. The pnm will remain stable, nobody will break ranks.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby alfa » January 8th, 2025, 7:33 pm

paid_influencer wrote:anybody take een any radio talk shows today? real beans for the new indian leader

From UNC people? Cuz I watching Rhonda Bharat page and is real wood for she with the insider info she claim to have about people being forced to sign a document agreeing to the new leader

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » January 8th, 2025, 7:35 pm

alfa wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:anybody take een any radio talk shows today? real beans for the new indian leader

From UNC people? Cuz I watching Rhonda Bharat page and is real wood for she with the insider info she claim to have about people being forced to sign a document agreeing to the new leader


fb easy to manipulate with multiple accounts etc

radio harder because is the same callers and you know who is who
chaos reigning right now

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby PariaMan » January 8th, 2025, 9:38 pm

I like how the constitution says the decision is taken when a vacancy arises

This prevents what's happening now where the existing PM is manipulating the process to appoint who he wants since even though he did not vote, he can still remove any minister or MP who he does not like.

I say let Rowley resign and let the President do her job at that point in time without Rowleys intervention .

The PM general council need to grow a pair in the meantime and also do what they want without Rowley doing what he wants and them asking them to ratify

If this does not happen, we will be in for a tough time as there will be disgruntled people within and without the PNM who will be feeling that their voices are not being heard

This will manifest itself as a very unsettled country

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby hover11 » January 9th, 2025, 12:49 am

The Party has NO SAY in the Appointment of a PM - Constitution. section76.
The PNM-produced (not very democratic) Constitution now biting them in the ass

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby PariaMan » January 9th, 2025, 5:39 am

Actually, sections A and B are the places where party is mentioned

Rowley remaining as leader of the political party means
will not be an undisputed leader of the party.

The president will then have to use section b

I agree with Ferdi that the party must meet first and decide a way forward .

Rowley needs to resign as both PM and political leader for a smooth transition
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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby PariaMan » January 9th, 2025, 5:47 am

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THE People's National Movement's (PNM) General Council has the power to speak out and put pressure on the decision by Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley to use a straw poll to select this country's prime minister, says PNM stalwart Ferdie Ferreira.

'That General Council meeting is very important, in that it gives the party the opportunity to ensure that the constitutional process which has precedence is followed. The time has come for country before party, party before leader,' he said in an interview with the Express yesterday.

The PNM's General Council is set to meet this Saturday at Balisier House.

Ferreira praised former labour minister Jennifer Baptiste-Primus for being courageous to speak out against the process.

'That is what the party needs, for people to get up and say, 'Look, chief, this is wrong!'' he said.

'The onus now is on the General Council, that is the supreme body outside of the annual convention, to ensure their own anthem, 'Great is the PNM', is upheld. This is the opportunity to ensure that 'Great is the PNM and it shall prevail', Prime Minister or no Prime Minister,' he said.

He said former prime ministers Dr Eric Williams, George Chambers and Patrick Manning have all gone, and so too will Rowley, but the PNM will remain.

1973 precedent

Ferreira also rubbished claims that Chambers was appointed prime minister without the purview of the PNM party.

He said before Chambers was appointed as prime minister, that matter was first taken to the PNM, then chaired by Francis Prevatt.

'No president is going to be that stupid to appoint somebody who doesn't enjoy the confidence of the party,' he said.

Ferreira said there is also precedent where in September 24, 1973, Williams came to the party's convention and announced he was retiring from public life.

'The convention met on the following Saturday morning and took the decision requesting him to reconsider. On October 1, he wrote to the party's former chairman, Boysie Prevatt, and he said he is not available and proceed to select a new leader,' he said.

He said in 2011, former Jamaican prime minister Bruce Golding resigned and, in the process of tendering his resignation, he recommended Andrew Holness at the parliamentary caucus.

He said they approved it and then he went to the executive council of the Jamaica Labour Party to get its approval.

'And this is what should have been done,' he said.

He said after Holness became prime minister and they went to the general election, the Jamaican Labour Party lost.

He said there will be a quandary with Young as prime minister not having full support.

'I think the first problem of the Prime Minister is how is he going to deal with nine members of the parliamentary caucus, including Cabinet members, who knew what he wanted and voted against it,' he said.

He said such a decision should not have been made unless there was full support of the parliamentary council.

He noted the comments of Senior Counsel Martin Daly, who said that Young has been placed in a vulnerable position.

'You have a very good product, but if you don't market it properly, it becomes a disaster,' he said.

Dual leadership

Ferreira said he has no problem with Young, but the process must be followed.

He noted Rowley has been saying since 2020 that he does not intend to continue in electoral political life.

'Dr Rowley had five years to initiate the process to avoid all of this,' he said.

He said the course of action being taken is likely to result in dual leadership where there is a PNM leader and prime minister, which is 'unacceptable and unworkable'.

He said Williams said he was going in 1973, before the general election in 1976, and, therefore, he would have ensured the party had time to select a new leader.

Ferreira said what is happening now is neither good for the country or the party.

Political analyst Mukesh Basdeo said yesterday that Young is in a vulnerable position because if he is appointed prime minister without 21 signatures, he will therefore be a leader with a minority in the Parliament, given that the Opposition has 19 seats.

He said if the Opposition were to file a no-confidence motion in Young and the nine members voted in favour of it, the PNM Government will collapse

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby MaxPower » January 9th, 2025, 6:32 am

Good Morning T&T

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby hover11 » January 9th, 2025, 6:35 am

Stuart in Limbo. MPs now REFUSING to endorse letter for his appointment as PM ...Seems the PNM is cracking

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » January 9th, 2025, 7:35 am

hover11 wrote:Stuart in Limbo. MPs now REFUSING to endorse letter for his appointment as PM ...Seems the PNM is cracking

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that undated letter they are asked to sign is a loyalty test

who are the MPs loyal to -- ROWLEY or the General Council?

when Rowley knows who signed and who waited on the council. Rowley is still political leader and Prime Minister. there will be consequences for disloyalty.

ah say drink allyuh kool-aid quickly and tell yuh fellow 'mites to drink their kool-aid too. :lol:

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby zoom rader » January 9th, 2025, 7:43 am

Who cares who PNM put ?

Its the same output

Forex for 1% and hardship and jail for black man

All yuh is some kants yes

Meanwhile mero and max watching Rowlee bareback, but Eliteauto beat all yuh out as he goes home by Rowlee for visits

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby death365 » January 9th, 2025, 7:51 am

how very UNC-ish of the PNM. airing dirty laundry in public


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hover11 wrote:Stuart in Limbo. MPs now REFUSING to endorse letter for his appointment as PM ...Seems the PNM is cracking

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that undated letter they are asked to sign is a loyalty test

who are the MPs loyal to -- ROWLEY or the General Council?

when Rowley knows who signed and who waited on the council. Rowley is still political leader and Prime Minister. there will be consequences for disloyalty.

ah say drink allyuh kool-aid quickly and tell yuh fellow 'mites to drink their kool-aid too. :lol:

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby MaxPower » January 9th, 2025, 8:14 am

Is it that the PNM does not want a non-black as PM?

Oh gosh someone just say that is the case na.

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Postby pugboy » January 9th, 2025, 8:15 am

rowley go buss they throat after he see who kicking a fuss

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby pugboy » January 9th, 2025, 8:16 am

at the end of the day the puppet masters will have a say

MaxPower wrote:Is it that the PNM does not want a non-black as PM?

Oh gosh someone just say that is the case na.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby mero » January 9th, 2025, 8:23 am

MaxPower wrote:Is it that the PNM does not want a non-black as PM?

Oh gosh someone just say that is the case na.
Powerful profile pic as usual max

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby MaxPower » January 9th, 2025, 8:32 am

mero wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Is it that the PNM does not want a non-black as PM?

Oh gosh someone just say that is the case na.
Powerful profile pic as usual max


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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby PariaMan » January 9th, 2025, 8:33 am

This is nothing to do with that. I think the PNM membership wants to have a voice on who the next political leader and PM will be.

Rowley created one man, one vote for that, and now he wants Stuart to be selected without going thru the process


In the interim if Rowley is going to resign as PM in March let him also resign as political leader and have a Special Council meeting to select an interim Political leader from the current MPs until internal elections are held which must be before the next election. This will give people like Avery Brown a chance

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby zoom rader » January 9th, 2025, 8:52 am

MaxPower wrote:
mero wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Is it that the PNM does not want a non-black as PM?

Oh gosh someone just say that is the case na.
Powerful profile pic as usual max


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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby hover11 » January 9th, 2025, 9:17 am

mero wrote:
MaxPower wrote:Is it that the PNM does not want a non-black as PM?

Oh gosh someone just say that is the case na.
Powerful profile pic as usual max
Coming from the guy who watching men and find they look good

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Postby The_Honourable » January 9th, 2025, 9:43 am

PariaMan wrote:Anna Ramdass

anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com

THE People's National Movement's (PNM) General Council has the power to speak out and put pressure on the decision by Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley to use a straw poll to select this country's prime minister, says PNM stalwart Ferdie Ferreira.

'That General Council meeting is very important, in that it gives the party the opportunity to ensure that the constitutional process which has precedence is followed. The time has come for country before party, party before leader,' he said in an interview with the Express yesterday.

The PNM's General Council is set to meet this Saturday at Balisier House.

Ferreira praised former labour minister Jennifer Baptiste-Primus for being courageous to speak out against the process.

'That is what the party needs, for people to get up and say, 'Look, chief, this is wrong!'' he said.

'The onus now is on the General Council, that is the supreme body outside of the annual convention, to ensure their own anthem, 'Great is the PNM', is upheld. This is the opportunity to ensure that 'Great is the PNM and it shall prevail', Prime Minister or no Prime Minister,' he said.

He said former prime ministers Dr Eric Williams, George Chambers and Patrick Manning have all gone, and so too will Rowley, but the PNM will remain.

1973 precedent

Ferreira also rubbished claims that Chambers was appointed prime minister without the purview of the PNM party.

He said before Chambers was appointed as prime minister, that matter was first taken to the PNM, then chaired by Francis Prevatt.

'No president is going to be that stupid to appoint somebody who doesn't enjoy the confidence of the party,' he said.

Ferreira said there is also precedent where in September 24, 1973, Williams came to the party's convention and announced he was retiring from public life.

'The convention met on the following Saturday morning and took the decision requesting him to reconsider. On October 1, he wrote to the party's former chairman, Boysie Prevatt, and he said he is not available and proceed to select a new leader,' he said.

He said in 2011, former Jamaican prime minister Bruce Golding resigned and, in the process of tendering his resignation, he recommended Andrew Holness at the parliamentary caucus.

He said they approved it and then he went to the executive council of the Jamaica Labour Party to get its approval.

'And this is what should have been done,' he said.

He said after Holness became prime minister and they went to the general election, the Jamaican Labour Party lost.

He said there will be a quandary with Young as prime minister not having full support.

'I think the first problem of the Prime Minister is how is he going to deal with nine members of the parliamentary caucus, including Cabinet members, who knew what he wanted and voted against it,' he said.

He said such a decision should not have been made unless there was full support of the parliamentary council.

He noted the comments of Senior Counsel Martin Daly, who said that Young has been placed in a vulnerable position.

'You have a very good product, but if you don't market it properly, it becomes a disaster,' he said.

Dual leadership

Ferreira said he has no problem with Young, but the process must be followed.

He noted Rowley has been saying since 2020 that he does not intend to continue in electoral political life.

'Dr Rowley had five years to initiate the process to avoid all of this,' he said.

He said the course of action being taken is likely to result in dual leadership where there is a PNM leader and prime minister, which is 'unacceptable and unworkable'.

He said Williams said he was going in 1973, before the general election in 1976, and, therefore, he would have ensured the party had time to select a new leader.

Ferreira said what is happening now is neither good for the country or the party.

Political analyst Mukesh Basdeo said yesterday that Young is in a vulnerable position because if he is appointed prime minister without 21 signatures, he will therefore be a leader with a minority in the Parliament, given that the Opposition has 19 seats.

He said if the Opposition were to file a no-confidence motion in Young and the nine members voted in favour of it, the PNM Government will collapse


Well explained by Ferdie

The question is, will the general council have the gall to tell keith no to stuart? If they do, it confirms divisions in the pnm and the risk of further party embarrassment publicly which gives opposition forces political material on the campaign trial.

If after all this brouhaha, the council bends the knee and agrees to stuart, those who made noise will look like fools and would be dealt with when the dust settles.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Alpha_2nr » January 9th, 2025, 10:35 am

PariaMan wrote:I like how the constitution says the decision is taken when a vacancy arises

This prevents what's happening now where the existing PM is manipulating the process to appoint who he wants since even though he did not vote, he can still remove any minister or MP who he does not like.

I say let Rowley resign and let the President do her job at that point in time without Rowleys intervention .

The PM general council need to grow a pair in the meantime and also do what they want without Rowley doing what he wants and them asking them to ratify

If this does not happen, we will be in for a tough time as there will be disgruntled people within and without the PNM who will be feeling that their voices are not being heard

This will manifest itself as a very unsettled country


Highly unlikely the President will appoint a PM that wasn't agreed to by the outgoing PM.

Unlikely, but not impossible.

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Political analyst Mukesh Basdeo said yesterday that Young is in a vulnerable position because if he is appointed prime minister without 21 signatures, he will therefore be a leader with a minority in the Parliament, given that the Opposition has 19 seats.

He said if the Opposition were to file a no-confidence motion in Young and the nine members voted in favour of it, the PNM Government will collapse


Correct, but also highly unlikely the Opposition will file a no-confidence motion.

The Opposition seems intent on staying IN opposition, with no semblance of strategy or tactical thinking, other than rum-shop politics.

So no, I don't expect them to.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby hover11 » January 9th, 2025, 10:47 am

They will fall in line ,when Sabga crack the whip.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby VexXx Dogg » January 9th, 2025, 10:48 am

A man tell me how one half-Indian leading the pnm for 10 mins and the crab-in-barrel syndrome start

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Cantmis » January 9th, 2025, 11:15 am

We are a mixed society, let him lead !

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