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Dohplaydat wrote:We can have carnival once people vacinate.
Massive parties and fetes happening all summer in the UK and US
Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:We can have carnival once people vacinate.
Massive parties and fetes happening all summer in the UK and US
What the US/UK do with their citizens is their business. We are still in the middle of a pandemic is carnival is not a priority. If we can't reopen fully without covid restrictions and mask wearing is still mandatory then realistically we can't have carnival.
Carnival is a unique experience to us and the region. Can't compare it to US/UK events etc.
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:We can have carnival once people vacinate.
Massive parties and fetes happening all summer in the UK and US
What the US/UK do with their citizens is their business. We are still in the middle of a pandemic is carnival is not a priority. If we can't reopen fully without covid restrictions and mask wearing is still mandatory then realistically we can't have carnival.
Carnival is a unique experience to us and the region. Can't compare it to US/UK events etc.
Indoor fetes happening in the UK right now bruh.
This was last weekend:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSuMTHioa42 ... _copy_link
You can do this once people are vaccinated. It hinges on that, that's all I'm saying.
Not that I support carnival, but you are right.Dohplaydat wrote:I will say this again introverts, carnival, fetes and clubs can reopen once we get vaccinated.Lollapalooza has shown "no evidence" of being a COVID superspreader event, Chicago health official says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid19-no ... on-arwady/
We actually have enough vaccines now to vacinate the whole country by February.
If you antivaxers want to tank the economy further and kill innocent people go right ahead.
timelapse wrote:Not that I support carnival, but you are right.Dohplaydat wrote:I will say this again introverts, carnival, fetes and clubs can reopen once we get vaccinated.Lollapalooza has shown "no evidence" of being a COVID superspreader event, Chicago health official says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid19-no ... on-arwady/
We actually have enough vaccines now to vacinate the whole country by February.
If you antivaxers want to tank the economy further and kill innocent people go right ahead.
The problem is packed streets and venues with intoxicated people jamming up on each other.
Super spreader event doesn't even describe what can happen.
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:We can have carnival once people vacinate.
Massive parties and fetes happening all summer in the UK and US
What the US/UK do with their citizens is their business. We are still in the middle of a pandemic is carnival is not a priority. If we can't reopen fully without covid restrictions and mask wearing is still mandatory then realistically we can't have carnival.
Carnival is a unique experience to us and the region. Can't compare it to US/UK events etc.
Indoor fetes happening in the UK right now bruh.
This was last weekend:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSuMTHioa42 ... _copy_link
You can do this once people are vaccinated. It hinges on that, that's all I'm saying.
Dohplaydat wrote:I will say this again introverts, carnival, fetes and clubs can reopen once we get vaccinated.Lollapalooza has shown "no evidence" of being a COVID superspreader event, Chicago health official says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid19-no ... on-arwady/
We actually have enough vaccines now to vacinate the whole country by February.
If you antivaxers want to tank the economy further and kill innocent people go right ahead.
Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:We can have carnival once people vacinate.
Massive parties and fetes happening all summer in the UK and US
What the US/UK do with their citizens is their business. We are still in the middle of a pandemic is carnival is not a priority. If we can't reopen fully without covid restrictions and mask wearing is still mandatory then realistically we can't have carnival.
Carnival is a unique experience to us and the region. Can't compare it to US/UK events etc.
Indoor fetes happening in the UK right now bruh.
This was last weekend:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSuMTHioa42 ... _copy_link
You can do this once people are vaccinated. It hinges on that, that's all I'm saying.
A couple of things. Vaccines are there so that you can get back to a sense of "normalcy". Normal meaning employment, grocery shopping, school for the children etc. There is nothing "normal" about carnival. At carnival the STD and pregnancy rates go up. That already shows that carnival is a public health case by itself. Mixing it with covid is just stupid.
Vaccines are there to stem the virus spread. This nothing more than an additional protection mechanism that goes along with hand sanitizer, social distancing and mask wearing. Remove anyone of those things and your protection levels decrease and your chance of contracting covid increases. Carnival essentially removes all of those protections. So before we even get to carnival we are going to require very low and possible non existant levels of covid in the population.
You keep referencing places such as the UK and USA. Most people in the developed world considered their response to covid as failures so they are not viewed as success stories. Those countries do not care about the lives of their citizens and consider them expendable. Contrast that with New Zealand's drastic response when they got a single case.
Another thing is carnival is non existant in UK. That indoor fete that you mentioned had a little bit of people. It is no different to the hundreds of illegal raves that take place all over the uk daily. The caribbean population is very small in the UK so caribbean events will never be viewed as "mass" events. So that fete may not have been a big deal anyhow. Our carnival pack thousands of people in confined spaces for weeks upon weeks. A single person with covid would have multiple opportunities to infect hundreds and possibly thousands of people over a couple of weeks. Stop comparing weeks of partying to one off fetes and festivals.
Is it really worth it?
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:We can have carnival once people vacinate.
Massive parties and fetes happening all summer in the UK and US
What the US/UK do with their citizens is their business. We are still in the middle of a pandemic is carnival is not a priority. If we can't reopen fully without covid restrictions and mask wearing is still mandatory then realistically we can't have carnival.
Carnival is a unique experience to us and the region. Can't compare it to US/UK events etc.
Indoor fetes happening in the UK right now bruh.
This was last weekend:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSuMTHioa42 ... _copy_link
You can do this once people are vaccinated. It hinges on that, that's all I'm saying.
A couple of things. Vaccines are there so that you can get back to a sense of "normalcy". Normal meaning employment, grocery shopping, school for the children etc. There is nothing "normal" about carnival. At carnival the STD and pregnancy rates go up. That already shows that carnival is a public health case by itself. Mixing it with covid is just stupid.
Vaccines are there to stem the virus spread. This nothing more than an additional protection mechanism that goes along with hand sanitizer, social distancing and mask wearing. Remove anyone of those things and your protection levels decrease and your chance of contracting covid increases. Carnival essentially removes all of those protections. So before we even get to carnival we are going to require very low and possible non existant levels of covid in the population.
You keep referencing places such as the UK and USA. Most people in the developed world considered their response to covid as failures so they are not viewed as success stories. Those countries do not care about the lives of their citizens and consider them expendable. Contrast that with New Zealand's drastic response when they got a single case.
Another thing is carnival is non existant in UK. That indoor fete that you mentioned had a little bit of people. It is no different to the hundreds of illegal raves that take place all over the uk daily. The caribbean population is very small in the UK so caribbean events will never be viewed as "mass" events. So that fete may not have been a big deal anyhow. Our carnival pack thousands of people in confined spaces for weeks upon weeks. A single person with covid would have multiple opportunities to infect hundreds and possibly thousands of people over a couple of weeks. Stop comparing weeks of partying to one off fetes and festivals.
Is it really worth it?
Yes
Dohplaydat wrote:
Once they're all vaccinated and have negative PCRs duh.
hover11 wrote:The same PCR that highly unreliable and vaccinated where they can still carry the virus ....may God have mercy on our souls if you were our PMDohplaydat wrote:
Once they're all vaccinated and have negative PCRs duh.
Redress10 wrote:The only way carnival could work is if you have those visitors quarantined for 10-14 days before beimg released into the population. You would also have to restrict flights and have a possible cut off date for all flights and close all the borders again. That simply is the only way you can guarantee a "safe" carnival with minimal disease spread.
DPD playing fast and foolish. We just had olympics which was a bio secure environment and vaccinated athletes still got covid and had to be sent home etc.
Redress10 wrote:The only way carnival could work is if you have those visitors quarantined for 10-14 days before beimg released into the population. You would also have to restrict flights and have a possible cut off date for all flights and close all the borders again. That simply is the only way you can guarantee a "safe" carnival with minimal disease spread.
DPD playing fast and foolish. We just had olympics which was a bio secure environment and vaccinated athletes still got covid and had to be sent home etc.
redmanjp wrote:Redress10 wrote:The only way carnival could work is if you have those visitors quarantined for 10-14 days before beimg released into the population. You would also have to restrict flights and have a possible cut off date for all flights and close all the borders again. That simply is the only way you can guarantee a "safe" carnival with minimal disease spread.
DPD playing fast and foolish. We just had olympics which was a bio secure environment and vaccinated athletes still got covid and had to be sent home etc.
and this only addresses imported cases- what about community spread we already have?
the only way is to vax 80% of the population and it eh looking like we will reach there by then. even so u need a few months to plan a carnival. bands have to design and make costume. all now they done already do that and launch.
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:The only way carnival could work is if you have those visitors quarantined for 10-14 days before beimg released into the population. You would also have to restrict flights and have a possible cut off date for all flights and close all the borders again. That simply is the only way you can guarantee a "safe" carnival with minimal disease spread.
DPD playing fast and foolish. We just had olympics which was a bio secure environment and vaccinated athletes still got covid and had to be sent home etc.
Again, why do all this? They're vaccinated, negative PCR, we're vaccinated.
Allyuh don't realize just an average day in a big city is far more of a 'super spreader" event than Carnival.
Ever been on the London tube in rush hour? Ever been on the NY subway and go to all those big restaurants, bars and clubs.
Allyuh people rel fraidy with this now.
Carnival can't even compare to the "super spreader" event that was the Eurocup final in the UK, where every man had house lime, pubs packed and outdoor viewing spots packed. Yet since then freedom day has come and the cases in the UK have been dropping......with everything being open.
And why? Cuz most of their population has been vaccinated.
We need to get there.
Les Bain wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:The only way carnival could work is if you have those visitors quarantined for 10-14 days before beimg released into the population. You would also have to restrict flights and have a possible cut off date for all flights and close all the borders again. That simply is the only way you can guarantee a "safe" carnival with minimal disease spread.
DPD playing fast and foolish. We just had olympics which was a bio secure environment and vaccinated athletes still got covid and had to be sent home etc.
Again, why do all this? They're vaccinated, negative PCR, we're vaccinated.
Allyuh don't realize just an average day in a big city is far more of a 'super spreader" event than Carnival.
Ever been on the London tube in rush hour? Ever been on the NY subway and go to all those big restaurants, bars and clubs.
Allyuh people rel fraidy with this now.
Carnival can't even compare to the "super spreader" event that was the Eurocup final in the UK, where every man had house lime, pubs packed and outdoor viewing spots packed. Yet since then freedom day has come and the cases in the UK have been dropping......with everything being open.
And why? Cuz most of their population has been vaccinated.
We need to get there.
Can't compare them first world countries with their matching healthcare systems and Covid vaccines, IMO.
Even so, they still regularly have mini lockdowns when the spike heads upwards.
Dohplaydat wrote:Les Bain wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:The only way carnival could work is if you have those visitors quarantined for 10-14 days before beimg released into the population. You would also have to restrict flights and have a possible cut off date for all flights and close all the borders again. That simply is the only way you can guarantee a "safe" carnival with minimal disease spread.
DPD playing fast and foolish. We just had olympics which was a bio secure environment and vaccinated athletes still got covid and had to be sent home etc.
Again, why do all this? They're vaccinated, negative PCR, we're vaccinated.
Allyuh don't realize just an average day in a big city is far more of a 'super spreader" event than Carnival.
Ever been on the London tube in rush hour? Ever been on the NY subway and go to all those big restaurants, bars and clubs.
Allyuh people rel fraidy with this now.
Carnival can't even compare to the "super spreader" event that was the Eurocup final in the UK, where every man had house lime, pubs packed and outdoor viewing spots packed. Yet since then freedom day has come and the cases in the UK have been dropping......with everything being open.
And why? Cuz most of their population has been vaccinated.
We need to get there.
Can't compare them first world countries with their matching healthcare systems and Covid vaccines, IMO.
Even so, they still regularly have mini lockdowns when the spike heads upwards.
Not disagreeing but if we're vacinated hospitalisations will be far lower than they are right now.
We do need to consider top up doses around Nov/Dec.
I go vote the red government if a law is made to ban carnival for life.rexsmith wrote:The PM said carnival 2022 may not happen
zoom rader wrote:I go vote the red government if a law is made to ban carnival for life.rexsmith wrote:The PM said carnival 2022 may not happen
It's the downfall of this cont tree
zoom rader wrote:I go vote the red government if a law is made to ban carnival for life.rexsmith wrote:The PM said carnival 2022 may not happen
It's the downfall of this cont tree
zoom rader wrote:I go vote the red government if a law is made to ban carnival for life.rexsmith wrote:The PM said carnival 2022 may not happen
It's the downfall of this cont tree
All this carnival and have a look at the quality of our life. Crime, corruption, rude and nasty people, public servants that dont work.daring dragoon wrote:zoom rader wrote:I go vote the red government if a law is made to ban carnival for life.rexsmith wrote:The PM said carnival 2022 may not happen
It's the downfall of this cont tree
carnival season is a big money maker from copyrite money to selling bottle water in the street. no other season in TT generates that amount of money.
daring dragoon wrote:zoom rader wrote:I go vote the red government if a law is made to ban carnival for life.rexsmith wrote:The PM said carnival 2022 may not happen
It's the downfall of this cont tree
carnival season is a big money maker from copyrite money to selling bottle water in the street. no other season in TT generates that amount of money.
hover11 wrote:The amount of money the government spends on carnival far exceeds that thoughdaring dragoon wrote:zoom rader wrote:I go vote the red government if a law is made to ban carnival for life.rexsmith wrote:The PM said carnival 2022 may not happen
It's the downfall of this cont tree
carnival season is a big money maker from copyrite money to selling bottle water in the street. no other season in TT generates that amount of money.
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