COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker (News and Updates) (Poll added)

[adnj]

^ time will tell. as lawsuits have allowed people to by-pass vaccine restricition:

"However, “mandatory” doesn’t always mean mandatory. In some circumstances, healthcare providers may have to grant exceptions to their “mandatory” vaccination programs. Federal and state discrimination laws require employers to provide reasonable accommodations to employees with disabilities and sincerely-held religious beliefs. Some employees may be medically unable to receive the flu vaccine. Others may have religious objections. Absent undue hardship, healthcare providers will need to create exceptions to their “mandatory” policies for employees as a reasonable accommodation for the employees’ disabilities or religious practices.

Missteps in the accommodation process can open the door to litigation. Last year, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) sued a hospital that declined to grant religious exemptions for six employees who refused the flu vaccine. The case settled for $300,000. Another similar case, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission v. Baystate Medical Center, is still pending in federal court."

https://ogletree.com/insights/mandatory ... -the-shot/

In the US, EEOC vaccination compliance lawsuits do not revolve around a person's desire to not do a thing. EEOC vaccination noncompliance complaints are valid if, and only if, religion, disability or pregnancy are not accommodated.

In my experience, US EEOC compliance was typically met when a dissenting person was granted special dispensation and not required to comply but was given separate accommodations or workspace where the problem of them spreading infection was reasonably mitigated.

The question is complicated but mandated vaccination programs have typically been not uncommon and dependent on the facility.

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The vaccination must be job-related, consistent with business necessity or justified by a direct threat, and no broader or more intrusive than necessary, for the vaccination to comply with, and be permissible under, the ADA. This is why health care providers, schools, nursing homes, and other employers that work in high risk environments or with high risk populations customarily can require mandatory vaccinations while other employers, who may not be able to satisfy this standard, may not. For example, in Hustvet v. Allina Health Sys., 910 F.3d 399 (8th Cir. 2018), the United States Court of Appeals upheld a healthcare system’s requirement that its employees immunize against rubella as a condition of employment.

Beyond this threshold inquiry, an employer implementing a mandatory vaccine policy may be obligated to accommodate (i) an employee’s sincerely held religious belief in accordance with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act (“Title VII”), and (ii) an employee’s disability or medical condition as required by the ADA.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) is responsible for enforcing federal anti-discrimination laws in the employment context. Periodically, the EEOC issues guidance and, historically, the agency has been wary to recommend required vaccinations outside the healthcare industry. The EEOC has yet to issue specific guidance on COVID-19 vaccinations. But, in response to the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic, the EEOC issued guidance stressing that an employer considering a mandatory vaccine policy must comply with Title VII and the ADA. To avoid potentially significant liability, an employer must provide the appropriate carve-outs for covered employees.
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/ca ... t-covid-19

[elec2020]

^ your points are noted and as said before time will tell. the reaction of the populace will dictate whether or not mandatory vaccinations will be implemented. for instance Boris in the UK hinted at the Pfizer vaccine being mandatory and then after strong dissent pulled back on it. but more than likely, governments will implement an "optional" vaccine program for COVID 19 by introducing id vaccination cards which must be carried on person to use let's say public services. those id vaccination cards will eventually be required to use at groceries, restaurants, etc. Hence the inverted commas for optional. Anyway. time will tell on how this is received as in recent years we have seen people more willing to protest than they used to before.

[adnj]

^ your points are noted and as said before time will tell. the reaction of the populace will dictate whether or not mandatory vaccinations will be implemented. for instance Boris in the UK hinted at the Pfizer vaccine being mandatory and then after strong dissent pulled back on it. but more than likely, governments will implement an "optional" vaccine program for COVID 19 by introducing id vaccination cards which must be carried on person to use let's say public services. those id vaccination cards will eventually be required to use at groceries, restaurants, etc. Hence the inverted commas for optional. Anyway. time will tell on how this is received as in recent years we have seen people more willing to protest than they used to before.

The larger point that is being made here:

Mandatory vaccines are legal and can be implemented when the risk of infection can not be mitigated. Public outcry is not the legal litmus.

Employers and facilities operators can, and do, implement restrictions with loss of employment or refusal of service as remedies.

What will happen? I have not expressed an opinion. My crystal ball is not that clear.

[elec2020]

We shall see.

[redmanjp]

^ your points are noted and as said before time will tell. the reaction of the populace will dictate whether or not mandatory vaccinations will be implemented. for instance Boris in the UK hinted at the Pfizer vaccine being mandatory and then after strong dissent pulled back on it. but more than likely, governments will implement an "optional" vaccine program for COVID 19 by introducing id vaccination cards which must be carried on person to use let's say public services. those id vaccination cards will eventually be required to use at groceries, restaurants, etc. Hence the inverted commas for optional. Anyway. time will tell on how this is received as in recent years we have seen people more willing to protest than they used to before.

The larger point that is being made here:

Mandatory vaccines are legal and can be implemented when the risk of infection can not be mitigated. Public outcry is not the legal litmus.

Employers and facilities operators can, and do, implement restrictions with loss of employment or refusal of service as remedies.

What will happen? I have not expressed an opinion. My crystal ball is not that clear.

i understand school & travel, and maybe restaurants- but just going for groceries? or would they allow you to choose between what we are doing now which is wearing a mask and being vaccinated?

[elec2020]

I think it will be all. Governments and the media appear to be using fear mongering to control the populace during these times. Wouldn't be surprised if they continue with the fearmongering tactics (in this case the fear of missing out) to force people to take the vaccine. For instance, in the UK their national health authority has stated that individuals must walk with their vaccination id cards. The health minister or someone high up in their national health authority stated that these cards are just to remind people on when they need their second injection as well as to tell the national health authority what was the details of their first dosage. They did note however that the id card could be used by businesses and employers to refuse entry. I wonder if this is how chinese people feel. Being essentially forced to do something against your free will. Communism here we come

[Dohplaydat]

^ your points are noted and as said before time will tell. the reaction of the populace will dictate whether or not mandatory vaccinations will be implemented. for instance Boris in the UK hinted at the Pfizer vaccine being mandatory and then after strong dissent pulled back on it. but more than likely, governments will implement an "optional" vaccine program for COVID 19 by introducing id vaccination cards which must be carried on person to use let's say public services. those id vaccination cards will eventually be required to use at groceries, restaurants, etc. Hence the inverted commas for optional. Anyway. time will tell on how this is received as in recent years we have seen people more willing to protest than they used to before.

The larger point that is being made here:

Mandatory vaccines are legal and can be implemented when the risk of infection can not be mitigated. Public outcry is not the legal litmus.

Employers and facilities operators can, and do, implement restrictions with loss of employment or refusal of service as remedies.

What will happen? I have not expressed an opinion. My crystal ball is not that clear.

i understand school & travel, and maybe restaurants- but just going for groceries? or would they allow you to choose between what we are doing now which is wearing a mask and being vaccinated?[/quote]

I think this is the best approach for now. But keep in mind, it is very important and many scientists are urging mandatory vaccinations because we don't want Covid-19 to mutate into an infection that can beat vaccine immunity.

I think in the end most or enough people will get vaccinated to reduce the possibility of Covid mutating. It is inconsistent to accept mandatory lockdowns but reject mandatory vaccination, especially when the latter can achieve a much greater good at a much smaller cost.

[elec2020]

redmanjp please take dohplaydat's comments with a pinch of salt. in the link provided i showed that dohplaydat really wants the vaccine just so that he can go back to partying.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=758236&hilit=hypocrite%5C&start=60

"Dohplaydat this morning: "Not condoning what they did, but to think my only reason I want a vaccine is to party (especiially when I was saying Carnival 2021 should be cancelled) is simply just strawman and as hominem arguements that show your intellect."

Dohplaydat yesterday: "We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle."

So basically you a hypocrite. I not even going to waste my time responding to the negatives you said about me bout my qualifications and if i ever wine up and/or kiss a woman. You so petty its not even funny."

[adnj]

FDA Analysis Of Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Finds It Effective And Safe

December 8, 20208:34 AM ET

John Nacion/SOPA Images/LightRocket/Getty Images

The Food and Drug Administration released a detailed analysis Tuesday morning of the COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and its partner BioNTech ahead of a Thursday meeting of a group of independent experts that will advise the agency on whether to grant the vaccine an emergency use authorization.

The agency's analysis finds "no specific safety concerns identified that would preclude issuance of an EUA." Serious reactions were rare. Side effects are common, however, with a majority of study volunteers experiencing reactions at the site of injection, headaches and fatigue.

The analysis also affirms the previously stated vaccine effectiveness of 95%, assessed a week after two doses of vaccine. The vaccine doses are given 21 days apart.

The clinical data also suggest that the vaccine may be able to prevent COVID-19 after the first dose — 82% effective — though the FDA analysis says the available information doesn't allow for a firm conclusion on that potential effect.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... e-and-safe

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Brazilian state of São Paulo makes coronavirus vaccine mandatory for its 46 million residents


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zfHTUuxjHqc

[elec2020]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-braz ... SKBN28704L

[adnj]

Brazil to offer COVID-19 vaccine for all at no cost, says Bolsonaro

Updated 09:53, 08-Dec-2020

CGTN

Brazil's government will offer COVID-19 vaccines to all Brazilians free of charge once health regulator Anvisa gives it scientific and legal approval, President Jair Bolsonaro said on Monday.

In a post on his Twitter account, Bolsonaro also said the economy ministry has assured him that there will be no shortage of resources to administer a vaccine to everyone who wants one.

"Once certified by @anvisa_oficial (scientific guidelines and legal precepts), @govbr will offer the vaccine to all, free of charge and not mandatory," Bolsonaro tweeted.

Bolsonaro's tweet came shortly before the president of Sao Paulo's Butantan Institute biomedical center, Dimas Covas, said all necessary data for the CoronaVac vaccine developed by China's Sinovac Biotech Ltd has been or will soon be sent to health regulator Anvisa.

He expects Anvisa to approve it, regardless of the political storm between Bolsonaro and Sao Paulo Governor Joao Doria over competing vaccines.

"I want to think that no political problem is bigger than people's lives," Covas said in an interview with GloboNews.

Doria said earlier on Monday that the country's most populous state plans to start vaccinating its population against COVID-19 on January 25. The federal government expects to roll out its own immunization plan at least a month later.

Brazil has the world's third highest COVID-19 case count at more than 6.6 million, and the second heaviest death toll of more than 177,000.


https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-12-08/B ... index.html

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The Lancet: Oxford COVID-19 vaccine is safe and protects against disease, first published results from phase 3 trials

THE LANCET

Research News

    

First full results from interim analysis confirm that the Oxford COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222) has an acceptable safety profile and is efficacious against symptomatic COVID-19 disease, with no hospitalisations or severe disease reported in the COVID-19 vaccine group so far

First clinical efficacy results of the vaccine are based on a pre-specified pooled analysis of phase 3 trials in UK and Brazil (11,636 people), alongside safety data from a total of 23,745 participants in 4 trials in the UK, Brazil and South Africa

Interim results of the Oxford COVID-19 vaccine trials find that the vaccine protects against symptomatic disease in 70% of cases - with vaccine efficacy of 62% for those given two full doses, and of 90% in those given a half then a full dose (both trial arms pre-specified in the pooled analysis). The results are the first full peer-reviewed efficacy results to be published for a COVID-19 vaccine, and are published in The Lancet.

The vaccine was found to be safe, with only three out of 23,745 participants over a median of 3.4 months experiencing serious adverse events that were possibly related to a vaccine; one in the vaccine arm, one in the control arm, and one in a participant who remains masked to group allocation. All participants have recovered or are recovering, and remain in the trial.

Study author, Dr Merryn Voysey, University of Oxford, UK, says: "The results presented in this report provide the key findings from our first interim analysis. In future analyses, with more data included as it becomes available, we will investigate differences in key subgroups such as older adults, various ethnicities, doses, timing of booster vaccines, and we will determine which immune responses equate to protection from infection or disease." 

https://eurekalert.org/pub_releases/202 ... 120820.php

[shake d livin wake d dead]

[elec2020]

https://www.wionews.com/world/four-tria ... lsy-348547
4 trial volunteers who got pfizers covid 19 vaccine developed bell's palsy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... llout.html
Warning over UK vaccine rollout as two NHS staff given jab suffer 'anaphylactic reaction': Regulators urge people with history of 'significant' allergies NOT to have Pfizer injection - just 24 hours after Britain's mass inoculation kicked off

[elec2020]

:|

how comes we only finding about this now....

[elec2020]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-say.html

"Oxford scientists say the more effective half-dose regimen of their coronavirus vaccine was not given by 'mistake'.

In a hit back against claims that the team had accidentally given people the wrong doses of the vaccine, the researchers said they had known the doses would be smaller because of a manufacturing issue before they injected them.

A problem with the equipment that measured the strength of doses meant that one batch was 'over-estimated', so they toned it down to avoid giving people too much.

They pressed ahead with the trial, with the blessing of the UK's drug regulator the MHRA, and gave those volunteers – and all other volunteers – full doses for the rest of the study, the team explained as their results were published yesterday.

And later, when those people didn't get side effects that were as strong, the researchers found out exactly how much smaller the doses had been. The study results showed them that the vaccine was 90 per cent effective when given that way, compared to 62 per cent when given in two full doses.

The MHRA now faces a dilemma and must choose whether to give approval for the 90 per cent effective regime to be given to the public, despite a smaller amount of data – it was only given to around 2,000 people. "

So please note that the Oxford 90 per cent effective results was only from 2000 people.

[adnj]

https://www.wionews.com/world/four-trial-volunteers-who-got-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-developed-bells-palsy-348547
4 trial volunteers who got pfizers covid 19 vaccine developed bell's palsy

UK regulator dismisses Bell's palsy fears over Pfizer vaccine after report reveals four cases of face paralysis in 22,000 people in the US – but the condition happens JUST as often in the general population

Four people out of 22,000 in a study got Bell's palsy and all had received the jab

But the same number would be expected to get it in any group that size

Regulators said vaccine would not be approved in UK unless proven to be safe

US health chiefs said cases 'do not represent a frequency above that expected in the general population'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ccine.html

[elec2020]

So they just dismiss it cause it is something that just happens. I wonder if the people who suffered with the illness dismissed it just as easily as the UK.

[aaron17]

Just like previous vaccines...one in a million chance in getting paralysis etc.....they will brush it off.

[adnj]

So they just dismiss it cause it is something that just happens. I wonder if the people who suffered with the illness dismissed it just as easily as the UK.

The reasoning behind the decision is statistical prevalence, i.e., there was no affect due to the vaccine on the occurrence of Bell's Palsey.

A study was done in the USA for the stomach ulcer medication minoxidil. There was a statistical prevalence of increase in male crownal hair growth. A later study was created to test efficacy based on that prevalence. That was the study that was famously submitted to the FDA for the approval of Rogaine.

[Dohplaydat]

So they just dismiss it cause it is something that just happens. I wonder if the people who suffered with the illness dismissed it just as easily as the UK.

Did you not read the part that said it happens at the same rate in the general population, meaning there's no statistical relationship....


Remember your P values breds.

[elec2020]

^ ok hypocrite

http://trinituner.com/v4/forums/viewtop ... C&start=60

[Dohplaydat]

^ ok hypocrite

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=758236&hilit=hypocrite%5C&start=60

Maths is your friend not your enemy elec2020.

Without doing any statistical analysis let's look at this simply.

Four in the vaccine group got Bells Palsy. Bells Palsy is a relatively rare disorder. In the US there are 200,000 cases yearly.

This works out to be about 0.06% chance of getting Bells Palsy normally in a year.

In the trial with 44000 participants I assume 22k got the vaccine so around 0.018% chance of getting it with the Pfizer Covid vaccine during the trial run.

So basically the people on trial had ~3 to 4 times fewer Bells Palsy diagnoses than you would expect in a general population each year.

Howeve, the trial also ran a lot less than a year so it probably evens out those numbers......which means almost no effect of causing Bells Palsy.

In conclusion, getting the vaccine doesn't seem to change your odds of getting Bells Palsy.

[elec2020]

^ ok hypocrite

"Dohplaydat this morning: "Not condoning what they did, but to think my only reason I want a vaccine is to party (especiially when I was saying Carnival 2021 should be cancelled) is simply just strawman and as hominem arguements that show your intellect."

Dohplaydat yesterday: "We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle."

http://trinituner.com/v4/forums/viewtop ... C&start=60

[Devourment]

^ ok hypocrite

"Dohplaydat this morning: "Not condoning what they did, but to think my only reason I want a vaccine is to party (especiially when I was saying Carnival 2021 should be cancelled) is simply just strawman and as hominem arguements that show your intellect."

Dohplaydat yesterday: "We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=758236&hilit=hypocrite%5C&start=60

elec2020 you need to learn how to argue your opponents. You are coming off like a battered intolerant woman. A karen who overlooks all logic because something triggered you.

No one cares that DPD said he wants this pandemic over so he can play mas. Especially as in that very sentence he mentions wanting more normal human interaction and a redress to the economic fallout induced by lockdowns.

And he is certainly right about the occurrence of Bells Palsy not having statistical power to show an increased risk.

As far as I can tell, only pantyman, tin foil haters, or those lacking education and reasoning skills are afraid of this vaccine and deeming it unsafe when the science is pointing otherwise.

You asked for studies and testing, what do you think has been done? Do you also know, all vaccines go through an exactly similar approval process? The difference is that we got to Phase 3 testing in warp speed because of the resources/manpower and all the scientific knowledge research has uncovered that allowed scientists to get to the end goal faster.

[MG Man]

100% of people who got the vaccine farted at least once within 24 hours
www.dumbcuntseverywhere.com

[Dohplaydat]

^ ok hypocrite

"Dohplaydat this morning: "Not condoning what they did, but to think my only reason I want a vaccine is to party (especiially when I was saying Carnival 2021 should be cancelled) is simply just strawman and as hominem arguements that show your intellect."

Dohplaydat yesterday: "We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=758236&hilit=hypocrite%5C&start=60

elec2020 you need to learn how to argue your opponents. You are coming off like a battered intolerant woman. A karen who overlooks all logic because something triggered you.

No one cares that DPD said he wants this pandemic over so he can play mas. Especially as in that very sentence he mentions wanting more normal human interaction and a redress to the economic fallout induced by lockdowns.

And he is certainly right about the occurrence of Bells Palsy not having statistical power to show an increased risk.

As far as I can tell, only pantyman, tin foil haters, or those lacking education and reasoning skills are afraid of this vaccine and deeming it unsafe when the science is pointing otherwise.

You asked for studies and testing, what do you think has been done? Do you also know, all vaccines go through an exactly similar approval process? The difference is that we got to Phase 3 testing in warp speed because of the resources/manpower and all the scientific knowledge research has uncovered that allowed scientists to get to the end goal faster.

Thanks bro. Go easy on elec, he's very sensitive.

And I will defend view on carnival and parties (same for schools and others who's industry has shut down) because these activities and economies are suffering immensely in this Pandemic.

Maybe a guy like elec is happy being alone and introverted and has the safety of his lil OJT job.

But many do not and mental health, education and persons involved in the entertainment industries are suffering and there little to no help.

For many a vaccine, once safe, can't come soon enough.

100% of people who got the vaccine farted at least once within 24 hours
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Damn, can't risk that yes.

[elec2020]

^ ok hypocrite

"Dohplaydat this morning: "Not condoning what they did, but to think my only reason I want a vaccine is to party (especiially when I was saying Carnival 2021 should be cancelled) is simply just strawman and as hominem arguements that show your intellect."

Dohplaydat yesterday: "We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle."

http://trinituner.com/v4/forums/viewtop ... C&start=60

elec2020 you need to learn how to argue your opponents. You are coming off like a battered intolerant woman. A karen who overlooks all logic because something triggered you.

No one cares that DPD said he wants this pandemic over so he can play mas. Especially as in that very sentence he mentions wanting more normal human interaction and a redress to the economic fallout induced by lockdowns.

And he is certainly right about the occurrence of Bells Palsy not having statistical power to show an increased risk.

As far as I can tell, only pantyman, tin foil haters, or those lacking education and reasoning skills are afraid of this vaccine and deeming it unsafe when the science is pointing otherwise.

You asked for studies and testing, what do you think has been done? Do you also know, all vaccines go through an exactly similar approval process? The difference is that we got to Phase 3 testing in warp speed because of the resources/manpower and all the scientific knowledge research has uncovered that allowed scientists to get to the end goal faster.

got it

[elec2020]

^ ok hypocrite

"Dohplaydat this morning: "Not condoning what they did, but to think my only reason I want a vaccine is to party (especiially when I was saying Carnival 2021 should be cancelled) is simply just strawman and as hominem arguements that show your intellect."

Dohplaydat yesterday: "We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle."

http://trinituner.com/v4/forums/viewtop ... C&start=60

elec2020 you need to learn how to argue your opponents. You are coming off like a battered intolerant woman. A karen who overlooks all logic because something triggered you.

No one cares that DPD said he wants this pandemic over so he can play mas. Especially as in that very sentence he mentions wanting more normal human interaction and a redress to the economic fallout induced by lockdowns.

And he is certainly right about the occurrence of Bells Palsy not having statistical power to show an increased risk.

As far as I can tell, only pantyman, tin foil haters, or those lacking education and reasoning skills are afraid of this vaccine and deeming it unsafe when the science is pointing otherwise.

You asked for studies and testing, what do you think has been done? Do you also know, all vaccines go through an exactly similar approval process? The difference is that we got to Phase 3 testing in warp speed because of the resources/manpower and all the scientific knowledge research has uncovered that allowed scientists to get to the end goal faster.

Thanks bro. Go easy on elec, he's very sensitive.

And I will defend view on carnival and parties (same for schools and others who's industry has shut down) because these activities and economies are suffering immensely in this Pandemic.

Maybe a guy like elec is happy being alone and introverted and has the safety of his lil OJT job.

But many do not and mental health, education and persons involved in the entertainment industries are suffering and there little to no help.

For many a vaccine, once safe, can't come soon enough.

100% of people who got the vaccine farted at least once within 24 hours
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Damn, can't risk that yes.

noted