Sedition Act Prevails: Sat loss: Duke's case dismissed

[toyota2nr]

This is nothing more than an attempt To silence criticism and opposition to this useless corrupt government

Thereby establishing a NEW line of criticism as heavy handed,

by using a law that expressly defines POLITICAL criticism as NOT Sedition,

all for someone that is not a real threat.

You clearly don’t understand the definition of sedition under our law. Promoting disaffection for the government is considered as sedition. In other words if you criticize the government it is seditious.

[bluefete]

So you think Duke is hamstrung by another charge, besides a rape charge,under a law that expressly states that he can continue to make political statements without it being seditious?

If the ttps was so politically controlled and Duke such a threat the rape charge would be enough.

Just read the act.
It creates the space for political criticism.

You need to get the balisier beam out of your eyes and understand what that act says.

It does NOT create any space for political criticism.

[bluefete]

This is nothing more than an attempt To silence criticism and opposition to this useless corrupt government

Thereby establishing a NEW line of criticism as heavy handed,

by using a law that expressly defines POLITICAL criticism as NOT Sedition,

all for someone that is not a real threat.

You clearly don’t understand the definition of sedition under our law. Promoting disaffection for the government is considered as sedition. In other words if you criticize the government it is seditious.

Very well said.

[bluefete]

A bunch of panty men in the PNM.

Manning, Panday, Robinson, Chambers, Williams and Persad-Bissessar had more balls than Keith Rowley.

[Redman]

This is nothing more than an attempt To silence criticism and opposition to this useless corrupt government

Thereby establishing a NEW line of criticism as heavy handed,

by using a law that expressly defines POLITICAL criticism as NOT Sedition,

all for someone that is not a real threat.

You clearly don’t understand the definition of sedition under our law. Promoting disaffection for the government is considered as sedition. In other words if you criticize the government it is seditious.

You clearly didn't read the act.
It expressly states political criticism etc is NOT Sedition.

[Redman]

So you think Duke is hamstrung by another charge, besides a rape charge,under a law that expressly states that he can continue to make political statements without it being seditious?

If the ttps was so politically controlled and Duke such a threat the rape charge would be enough.

Just read the act.
It creates the space for political criticism.

You need to get the balisier beam out of your eyes and understand what that act says.

It does NOT create any space for political criticism.

Really? Seems pretty clear.

It seem to me that it's unlikely that they will have any result before elections, in an action is unlikely to succeed, and is viewed as heavy handed...
It is the best thing to happen to Watson Dukes campaign though


(2) But an act, speech, statement or publication is not seditious by reason only that it intends to show that the Government has been misled or mistaken in its measures, or to point out errors or defects in the Government or Constitution as by law established, with a view to their reformation, or to excite persons
to attempt by lawful means the alteration of any matter in the
State by law established, or to point out, with a view to their removal by lawful means, matters which are producing, or have a tendency to produce-
(a) feelings of ill-will, hostility or contempt between dif- ferent sections of the community; or
(b) feelings of ill-will, hostility or contempt between dif- ferent classes of the inhabitants of Trinidad and Tobago distinguished by race, colour, religion, pro- fession, calling or employment.

[K74T]

[RBphoto]

Sedition is a BS charge.

[K74T]

[zoom rader]

Pnm don't think so

Sedition is a BS charge.

[hydroep]

Man say he going and sharpen he cutlass, de Balisier getting too big...

[K_J_R]

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charged but never convicted

express headline seems quite biased to me to discredit duke.

[Redman]

It is the best thing to happen to Watson Dukes campaign though

[K_J_R]

It is the best thing to happen to Watson Dukes campaign though

i think it may hurt his chances now. which seems to be the idea behind the sedition charge.

dredge up all the old charges and show how bad he is.

[Redman]

It's a stretch to convict...therefore the State and in many minds the PNM will be viewed as heavy handed and oppressive...as they already are.

Unlikely to finish before elections...so Duke will be innocent....see the PMs reference to India parliament.

Duke will milk both....laid at his feet by the Sedition Charge.


He getting press coverage that money can't buy.

[maj. tom]

oh yes, he should be grateful for what the PNM is doing. Oh gawd massa we is grateful!!!

[adnj]

........

[The_Honourable]

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charged but never convicted

express headline seems quite biased to me to discredit duke.

Agreed!!!

[MaxPower]

Hahahahaha

[adnj]

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charged but never convicted

express headline seems quite biased to me to discredit duke.

Agreed!!!

Charged and out on bail awaiting trial for the offenses.

[MaxPower]

I pray for the day stoning these rapists becomes legal.....nasty mc

He will reach no where in life....this pest believes he has the support of the people.....but he is a laughing stock.

[hydroep]

[UPDATED] PM digs in on Sedition Act
Sean Douglas

THE Prime Minister said the Sedition Act must be retained to keep peace among groups in TT and did not think its curb on free speech needed to be repealed at yesterday’s post-Cabinet briefing at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s.

The act bans incitement of hate towards any group in society but also bans utterances that can “raise discontent or disaffection.”

Seemingly referring to the recent charging of THA minority leader Watson Duke, he flatly denied the case was linked to the upcoming local and general elections.

He scoffed, “What folly!”.

Saying his Government feared nothing the Opposition had to say, he said, if someone got into trouble under the act, that was a matter solely for that person, the police and the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Rowley said TT has full media freedom, as he asked how many journalists had been charged for sedition. Saying 800,000 people died in the Rwandan genocide and many countries have anti-hate laws, he said TT is diverse.

He said if the clauses on raising discontent were repealed they must be replaced with laws to curb individuals who want to destroy TT’s social fabric.

He added that statements made by certain public commentators implying that the Government might be using the police and DPP to silence or intimidate its political opponents were completely untrue.

Newsday asked if his remark that laws are amended all the time meant he was open to calls to review the act.

He replied, “I’m always open because I’m the Prime Minister. If there is a case to be made, let’s make it in a civil way. You don’t have to lie about it.”

Asked if he’d debate sedition in Parliament, he replied, “The Government is prepared to defend itself from accusations which are not true.”

He said the Law Reform Commission could review the act, given the ongoing public debate, or if the Government thought it needed urgent action, the Attorney General’s Office could look at it.

“There’s a pathway by which law goes to Parliament.”

Rowley said, “We are busy defending ourselves from the misrepresentation that the Government is using the Sedition Act politically in TT.

“As I stand here now I know of nothing in the pipeline directed at the Sedition Act. All I’m saying is we could approach this in a civil way without all this pseudo-intellectual misrepresentation and without the mischief, lies and accusations.”

Newsday asked what he meant by a civil debate.

Rowley said, “Not fabricating lies on the Government’s actions. The Government is not involved in persecuting or prosecuting anybody under the Sedition Act or any other act.”

Newsday asked if he was non-committal towards such debate.

“As we talk about amending or repealing it we should not lose sight of the fact that there is a basis upon which this law is there.”

Newsday said the act had serious implications for media freedom and free speech. He retorted that such fear was contrived, saying a certain newspaper was operating probably unlawfully but without hindrance.

“This is a free country. We have freedom of speech.

“I ask you: This ‘dangerous’ law to be abused by politicians, how many press persons have been subject to it?”

Newsday asked why bad laws were on the books even if unenforced?

The PM replied, “There are points of views. Some people believe the law on capital punishment is bad law. So the fact you are saying it is bad law does not mean it should be taken off the books.”

Media Association (MATT) president Dr Sheila Rampersad yesterday told TV6 she supported NATUC's court action to get a ruling on whether the act breaches free speech under the TT Constitution.

This story has been adjusted to include additional details. See original post below.

THE Prime Minister said the Sedition Act must be retained to keep peace among groups in TT, and did not think its restrictions on free speech needed to be repealed. Dr Keith Rowley shared his views at today’s post-Cabinet briefing at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s.

The Act bans incitement of hate towards any group in society but also bans utterances that can create discontent, even as the Opposition has vowed to try to repeal it in Parliament.

In his speech, he seemingly referred to THA minority leader Watson Duke being charged under the act (without naming him), but flatly denied the act had any relevance to the upcoming local and general elections. “What folly!” he scoffed.

Saying his Government had absolutely no fear of anything the Opposition had to say, he said if someone got into trouble under the act that was a matter for that person, the police and DPP.

Rowley said TT had full media freedom, as he asked how many journalists had been charged for sedition.

Citing the deaths of 800,000 in the Rwandan genocide and saying many countries have anti-hate laws, he said TT uniquely has much diversity.

Asked if the free-speech clauses should be repealed, he said critics wanted the whole act replaced, but if that happened it must be replaced with something to curb the conduct of those who would destroy TT’s social fabric.

Rowley was non-committal as to whether the Sedition Act would ever be debated for revision. He said laws were amended all the time, then said he knew of nothing in the pipeline for reviewing the act and then said any such discussion must occur in a civil way. Rowley said fears over the act had been contrived when, in fact, TT has freedom of speech and freedom of media.

Asked if it was okay to have bad laws remain on the statute books even if not enforced, he said it is subjective as to what is a bad law, such as people have differing views on the death penalty law.

https://newsday.co.tt/2019/09/05/pm-digs-in-on-sedition-act/

[rspann]

I love how my boy does drop it! " what folly!"

[maj. tom]

So he doesn't even consider that Parliament should review the Act for modern times and technology?
Most of our constitution is copied from archaic British law which stinks of colonialism and a short-sighted development of the nation, and really needs to be revised and updated.

Hence Constitutional Reform.

[zoom rader]

[UPDATED] PM digs in on Sedition Act
Sean Douglas

THE Prime Minister said the Sedition Act must be retained to keep peace among groups in TT and did not think its curb on free speech needed to be repealed at yesterday’s post-Cabinet briefing at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s.

The act bans incitement of hate towards any group in society but also bans utterances that can “raise discontent or disaffection.”

Seemingly referring to the recent charging of THA minority leader Watson Duke, he flatly denied the case was linked to the upcoming local and general elections.

He scoffed, “What folly!”.

Saying his Government feared nothing the Opposition had to say, he said, if someone got into trouble under the act, that was a matter solely for that person, the police and the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Rowley said TT has full media freedom, as he asked how many journalists had been charged for sedition. Saying 800,000 people died in the Rwandan genocide and many countries have anti-hate laws, he said TT is diverse.

He said if the clauses on raising discontent were repealed they must be replaced with laws to curb individuals who want to destroy TT’s social fabric.

He added that statements made by certain public commentators implying that the Government might be using the police and DPP to silence or intimidate its political opponents were completely untrue.

Newsday asked if his remark that laws are amended all the time meant he was open to calls to review the act.

He replied, “I’m always open because I’m the Prime Minister. If there is a case to be made, let’s make it in a civil way. You don’t have to lie about it.”

Asked if he’d debate sedition in Parliament, he replied, “The Government is prepared to defend itself from accusations which are not true.”

He said the Law Reform Commission could review the act, given the ongoing public debate, or if the Government thought it needed urgent action, the Attorney General’s Office could look at it.

“There’s a pathway by which law goes to Parliament.”

Rowley said, “We are busy defending ourselves from the misrepresentation that the Government is using the Sedition Act politically in TT.

“As I stand here now I know of nothing in the pipeline directed at the Sedition Act. All I’m saying is we could approach this in a civil way without all this pseudo-intellectual misrepresentation and without the mischief, lies and accusations.”

Newsday asked what he meant by a civil debate.

Rowley said, “Not fabricating lies on the Government’s actions. The Government is not involved in persecuting or prosecuting anybody under the Sedition Act or any other act.”

Newsday asked if he was non-committal towards such debate.

“As we talk about amending or repealing it we should not lose sight of the fact that there is a basis upon which this law is there.”

Newsday said the act had serious implications for media freedom and free speech. He retorted that such fear was contrived, saying a certain newspaper was operating probably unlawfully but without hindrance.

“This is a free country. We have freedom of speech.

“I ask you: This ‘dangerous’ law to be abused by politicians, how many press persons have been subject to it?”

Newsday asked why bad laws were on the books even if unenforced?

The PM replied, “There are points of views. Some people believe the law on capital punishment is bad law. So the fact you are saying it is bad law does not mean it should be taken off the books.”

Media Association (MATT) president Dr Sheila Rampersad yesterday told TV6 she supported NATUC's court action to get a ruling on whether the act breaches free speech under the TT Constitution.

This story has been adjusted to include additional details. See original post below.

THE Prime Minister said the Sedition Act must be retained to keep peace among groups in TT, and did not think its restrictions on free speech needed to be repealed. Dr Keith Rowley shared his views at today’s post-Cabinet briefing at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s.

The Act bans incitement of hate towards any group in society but also bans utterances that can create discontent, even as the Opposition has vowed to try to repeal it in Parliament.

In his speech, he seemingly referred to THA minority leader Watson Duke being charged under the act (without naming him), but flatly denied the act had any relevance to the upcoming local and general elections. “What folly!” he scoffed.

Saying his Government had absolutely no fear of anything the Opposition had to say, he said if someone got into trouble under the act that was a matter for that person, the police and DPP.

Rowley said TT had full media freedom, as he asked how many journalists had been charged for sedition.

Citing the deaths of 800,000 in the Rwandan genocide and saying many countries have anti-hate laws, he said TT uniquely has much diversity.

Asked if the free-speech clauses should be repealed, he said critics wanted the whole act replaced, but if that happened it must be replaced with something to curb the conduct of those who would destroy TT’s social fabric.

Rowley was non-committal as to whether the Sedition Act would ever be debated for revision. He said laws were amended all the time, then said he knew of nothing in the pipeline for reviewing the act and then said any such discussion must occur in a civil way. Rowley said fears over the act had been contrived when, in fact, TT has freedom of speech and freedom of media.

Asked if it was okay to have bad laws remain on the statute books even if not enforced, he said it is subjective as to what is a bad law, such as people have differing views on the death penalty law.

https://newsday.co.tt/2019/09/05/pm-digs-in-on-sedition-act/

This says a man that has his mob of PNM ppl dressed as an ape depicting a virtual rape of an east Indian woman in a yellow sari. All this while his mob of child muddas all cheer.

[zoom rader]

I love how my boy does drop it! " what folly!"

Yeah but he allows his people to be dressed as an ape while they act out a virtual rape of an east Indian woman.

[De Dragon]

I love how my boy does drop it! " what folly!"

Yeah but he allows his people to be dressed as an ape while they act out a virtual rape of an east Indian woman.

JUHN Scarfy has no interest in taking this country out of colonial era laws and times. How else would he keep his flock of servile sheep like Red Plastic Bag, Tokesy, one eye, Zitty and eliecorolla in bondage? Dummy actually comparing sedition with genocide Bad laws need amendment is all. Making homosexuality illegal is one old law I'm sure he's all too glad got deemed unconstitutional

[zoom rader]

I love how my boy does drop it! " what folly!"

Yeah but he allows his people to be dressed as an ape while they act out a virtual rape of an east Indian woman.

JUHN Scarfy has no interest in taking this country out of colonial era laws and times. How else would he keep his flock of servile sheep like Red Plastic Bag, Tokesy, one eye, Zitty and eliecorolla in bondage? Dummy actually comparing sedition with genocide Bad laws need amendment is all. Making homosexuality illegal is one old law I'm sure he's all too glad got deemed unconstitutional

A virtual rape of an east Indian woman while all them PNM ppl applauded.

This was just ape behaviour.

[De Dragon]

I love how my boy does drop it! " what folly!"

Yeah but he allows his people to be dressed as an ape while they act out a virtual rape of an east Indian woman.

JUHN Scarfy has no interest in taking this country out of colonial era laws and times. How else would he keep his flock of servile sheep like Red Plastic Bag, Tokesy, one eye, Zitty and eliecorolla in bondage? Dummy actually comparing sedition with genocide Bad laws need amendment is all. Making homosexuality illegal is one old law I'm sure he's all too glad got deemed unconstitutional

A virtual rape of an east Indian woman while all them PNM ppl applauded.

This was just ape behaviour. KnVUlPGpWb.jpg.cf.jpeg

Only thing more sickening was this response from "Rape is OK" Rowley and lap dog Goebbels Young

However, speaking with reporters following a Housing Distribution Ceremony in Arima on Tuesday, Rowley rubbished the claim, describing it as ‘foolishness.’

The Prime Minister's comments come one day after Communications Minister Stuart Young said the skit was only a ‘bit of fun,’ and that equality is valued in the PNM.

Rape as fun? Calling the herdies like Tokesy, Red Plastic Bag, elitecorolla,Zitty, wing and one eye for a response, just in case ollour didn't know about this nah

[Redman]