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My Views on the Property Tax

Postby RASC » January 5th, 2010, 11:53 am

Great Idea-Poor Marketing-Even worse track record!

The idea of Taxes according to your property value etc is what we have been asking for decades in T&T. It is the first major steps in bringing the country forward:

1. DECENTRALIZATION of the gov't. Giving the regional corp. more power and having them micro manage. The republic is TOO large and cannot be bothered to deal with the niggling issues of each corporation...thus we have a great looking exterior shell but a rotting interior. Giving more power, funds etc to the smaller jurisdictions is just what the country needed. I've been saying this for eons. They need more power. No need to be marching to the Red House every five minutes water gone. The gov't has bigger fish to fry. Deal with it on a local level. Give the corporations the money, and resources to deal with issues QUICKLY!

2. ZONING. As in developed nations depending on the location you live you pay more or less for property taxes. The higher your rates the more likely people who do not have the income nor means to live in your neighborhood won't even dream of setting foot. Keeping your property value at a certain level and of course keeping your mind at ease at night. The less poorer people you have living in close proximity, the less likely will there be any petty theft/break ins/car jackings etc-fact of life. The greater the wealth divide within close proximity the greater the likelihood of some undesirables entering your front yard.

Now those are the desired effects of this tax, however as is usual it was RAMMED down the throats of the public without any kind of foresight or education. No one likes more taxes, so how on earth can you institute this radically different change of tempo without properly educating the masses as to the desired effects.

Second problem...ACCOUNTABILITY. Who is to be incharge to ensure that the funds actually do go towards the betterment of your local corporation/council ??? T&T has an extremely poor track record when it comes to accountability. The gov't should have done everything in such a manner to make the public aware of who is in charge of what, who complaints can be lodged too, etc etc...piss poor marketing campaign.

It's as if Manning just wake up and decide, well yeh tax in the morning, allyuh be ready March 31st...the whole population looking at him like "WTF" who? what? where? how? The gov'ts track record speaks for itself. Squandered Billions and no accountability-how on earth are you to expect everyone to be on board with a foreign idea without some sort of phasing in process-this is ALL too quick for my liking.

Manning digging that grave faster than ever. It's as if they so bold-face with it too..."wham well if you eh like it and doh pay, make ah jail and we seizing yuh house" negative marks on the sensitivity of the public.

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Postby crazybalhead » January 5th, 2010, 11:56 am

Agreed, if we KNEW we would see value for the tax, then it's not a problem!

The education campaign was ridiculous.

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Postby RASC » January 5th, 2010, 11:57 am

crazybalhead wrote:Agreed, if we KNEW we would see value for the tax, then it's not a problem!

The education campaign was ridiculous.


It didn't even exist :roll:

This went from being the BEST idea the gov't has come up with in the past 5 years to probably one of the worst. All it needed was a couple Million, and 6 Months to have a serious P.R. campaign nationwide.

Announce appointees to the various disciplinary/accountability boards. Refresh local systems with computers etc fix up all regional offices, have local round table discussions open to the public in every corporation to address everyone's fears, queries etc etc

Just as they do in the states. If they want to build XYZ in your neighborhood, they have a series of round table discussions with the residents, developers, gov't officials...if they had done it that way-this whole situation may not even be a situation.

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Postby crazybalhead » January 5th, 2010, 12:05 pm

Yeah they sent out a little pamphlet with an "example" of how much yopu will pay, but nothing about taking posession of property if the tax is not paid, nothing about detailed valuation etc.

I saw the valuation debate in parliament, despite EXCELLENT suggestions for changes to the bill by independent Senators, Mariano Brown REFUSED every single suggestion made. Blinders I tell you. Stupidity. Even typos he acknowledged were typos, he refused to change!!!


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Re: My Views on the Property Tax

Postby buzz » January 5th, 2010, 12:09 pm

RASC wrote:Great Idea-Poor Marketing-Even worse track record!

The idea of Taxes according to your property value etc is what we have been asking for decades in T&T. It is the first major steps in bringing the country forward:

1. DECENTRALIZATION of the gov't. Giving the regional corp. more power and having them micro manage. The republic is TOO large and cannot be bothered to deal with the niggling issues of each corporation...thus we have a great looking exterior shell but a rotting interior. Giving more power, funds etc to the smaller jurisdictions is just what the country needed. I've been saying this for eons. They need more power. No need to be marching to the Red House every five minutes water gone. The gov't has bigger fish to fry. Deal with it on a local level. Give the corporations the money, and resources to deal with issues QUICKLY!

2. ZONING. As in developed nations depending on the location you live you pay more or less for property taxes. The higher your rates the more likely people who do not have the income nor means to live in your neighborhood won't even dream of setting foot. Keeping your property value at a certain level and of course keeping your mind at ease at night. The less poorer people you have living in close proximity, the less likely will there be any petty theft/break ins/car jackings etc-fact of life. The greater the wealth divide within close proximity the greater the likelihood of some undesirables entering your front yard.

Now those are the desired effects of this tax, however as is usual it was RAMMED down the throats of the public without any kind of foresight or education. No one likes more taxes, so how on earth can you institute this radically different change of tempo without properly educating the masses as to the desired effects.

Second problem...ACCOUNTABILITY. Who is to be incharge to ensure that the funds actually do go towards the betterment of your local corporation/council ??? T&T has an extremely poor track record when it comes to accountability. The gov't should have done everything in such a manner to make the public aware of who is in charge of what, who complaints can be lodged too, etc etc...piss poor marketing campaign.

It's as if Manning just wake up and decide, well yeh tax in the morning, allyuh be ready March 31st...the whole population looking at him like "WTF" who? what? where? how? The gov'ts track record speaks for itself. Squandered Billions and no accountability-how on earth are you to expect everyone to be on board with a foreign idea without some sort of phasing in process-this is ALL too quick for my liking.

Manning digging that grave faster than ever. It's as if they so bold-face with it too..."wham well if you eh like it and doh pay, make ah jail and we seizing yuh house" negative marks on the sensitivity of the public.


for once


i agree

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Postby Oleander » January 5th, 2010, 12:16 pm

Agreed

I still think it's unnecessary I am from Rio Claro and the state provided not one piece of infrastructure where I live :evil:

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Postby Sky » January 5th, 2010, 12:31 pm

No bhai, dey tief out we money an build stadiam an give dey frens. Now de money done an dey want we one. Dis gavament issa buncha tief!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Re: My Views on the Property Tax

Postby Monk BANzai » January 5th, 2010, 1:19 pm

RASC wrote:Great Idea-Poor Marketing-Even worse track record!

The idea of Taxes according to your property value etc is what we have been asking for decades in T&T. It is the first major steps in bringing the country forward:

1. DECENTRALIZATION of the gov't. Giving the regional corp. more power and having them micro manage. The republic is TOO large and cannot be bothered to deal with the niggling issues of each corporation...thus we have a great looking exterior shell but a rotting interior. Giving more power, funds etc to the smaller jurisdictions is just what the country needed. I've been saying this for eons. They need more power. No need to be marching to the Red House every five minutes water gone. The gov't has bigger fish to fry. Deal with it on a local level. Give the corporations the money, and resources to deal with issues QUICKLY!

2. ZONING. As in developed nations depending on the location you live you pay more or less for property taxes. The higher your rates the more likely people who do not have the income nor means to live in your neighborhood won't even dream of setting foot. Keeping your property value at a certain level and of course keeping your mind at ease at night. The less poorer people you have living in close proximity, the less likely will there be any petty theft/break ins/car jackings etc-fact of life. The greater the wealth divide within close proximity the greater the likelihood of some undesirables entering your front yard.

Now those are the desired effects of this tax, however as is usual it was RAMMED down the throats of the public without any kind of foresight or education. No one likes more taxes, so how on earth can you institute this radically different change of tempo without properly educating the masses as to the desired effects.

Second problem...ACCOUNTABILITY. Who is to be incharge to ensure that the funds actually do go towards the betterment of your local corporation/council ??? T&T has an extremely poor track record when it comes to accountability. The gov't should have done everything in such a manner to make the public aware of who is in charge of what, who complaints can be lodged too, etc etc...piss poor marketing campaign.

It's as if Manning just wake up and decide, well yeh tax in the morning, allyuh be ready March 31st...the whole population looking at him like "WTF" who? what? where? how? The gov'ts track record speaks for itself. Squandered Billions and no accountability-how on earth are you to expect everyone to be on board with a foreign idea without some sort of phasing in process-this is ALL too quick for my liking.

Manning digging that grave faster than ever. It's as if they so bold-face with it too..."wham well if you eh like it and doh pay, make ah jail and we seizing yuh house" negative marks on the sensitivity of the public.


Rene, yu wrote this?

its tooo.....whats the word......pure.

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Postby - Rovin's car audio - » January 5th, 2010, 2:54 pm

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Postby Rooki3 » January 5th, 2010, 9:46 pm

how allyuh expect to pay back china the money for the performing arts

We sending mail for allyuh it should be there by March

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Postby Rooki3 » January 5th, 2010, 10:21 pm

(...Rovin...), you figure out by now dat RASC, is keith rowley?

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Postby sharkman121 » January 5th, 2010, 10:32 pm

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Postby Rooki3 » January 5th, 2010, 11:14 pm

sharkman121 wrote:Rooki3, wdfffff @ avatar :shock: :D


*evil smirk*

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Postby RASC » January 6th, 2010, 11:02 am

:lol:

I think I gotta make a better distinction between when I'm joking and when I'm being serious cause you guys have me slightly twisted.

Manning is ruining the PNM and its legacy slowly each day. This was probably his best chance in recovering lost ground. But as usual squandered a very forward looking plan. Probably the biggest leap to be coming a "developed" nation. The property taxes Americans pay for example is the reason you can go in any suburb in Fairfax Virginia and feel safe.

Undesirables can't afford to even live there...hell they can't even afford the gas in the local gas stations, far worse to shop. Proper zoning is what T&T needs. And a tax representative of property value, income etc would've been perfect for slowly forcing those not in your income bracket OUT of your neighborhood.

All this project needs is some P.R. and some ACCOUNTABILITY.

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Postby toyota2nr » January 6th, 2010, 11:59 am

Thank goodness that is just your opinion dude.

Who says that zoning is a good idea. Just another method of class discrimination. No one here I'm sure wants Beetham people in their neighbourhood but there must be better ways to do things.

And what is the legacy of the PNM? Racism? Corruption? Nepotism? and the list goes on....

How the hell that property tax could be a good idea. In developed nations taxpayers get value for their money. What we get here besides crime?

Steups........go and do something useful nah man.

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Postby Oleander » January 6th, 2010, 12:02 pm

So the question is those monopoly piece houses they built?
How much is the tax on that?

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Postby RASC » January 6th, 2010, 1:02 pm

toyota2nr wrote:Thank goodness that is just your opinion dude.

Who says that zoning is a good idea. Just another method of class discrimination. No one here I'm sure wants Beetham people in their neighbourhood but there must be better ways to do things.

And what is the legacy of the PNM? Racism? Corruption? Nepotism? and the list goes on....

How the hell that property tax could be a good idea. In developed nations taxpayers get value for their money. What we get here besides crime?

Steups........go and do something useful nah man.


Since you're against Property Taxes leading to Zoning, as it is the developed world.
What should be done?

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Postby Sky » January 6th, 2010, 1:08 pm

^^ Where is your understanding? The point of that post wasn't to suggest an alternative method, or make any sense at all. It was to oppose YOUR points. You really expect an answer? :roll:

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Postby RASC » January 6th, 2010, 1:11 pm

Sky wrote:^^ Where is your understanding? The point of that post wasn't to suggest an alternative method, or make any sense at all. It was to oppose YOUR points. You really expect an answer? :roll:


Sometimes, you need some humour to brighten up your day :lol:

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Postby Damien » January 6th, 2010, 1:14 pm

I dont mind paying it but i hope they do something good with the money :|

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Postby toyota2nr » January 6th, 2010, 1:17 pm

Yeah and your prime minister is a joke. The alternative is to make real estate affordable instead of property being so expensive. But then again that is how PNM does do it, the ministers and their families in goodwood park while the poor black man who vote them ketching he nenen in Beetham.

Yeah that was Eric 'Useless' Williams vision for the people. We just trade one plantation for another.

In the last 8 to 9 years what has PNM done of any benefit to this country.

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Postby RASC » January 6th, 2010, 1:21 pm

toyota2nr, Ok so how does the gov't MAKE real estate more affordable?

And please explain how that solves the ZONING issue also. Thanks.

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Postby bluesteel29 » January 6th, 2010, 1:23 pm

how meh granma gonna pay the increase wen she dun livin on pension :|

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Postby RASC » January 6th, 2010, 1:27 pm

bluesteel29 wrote:how meh granma gonna pay the increase wen she dun livin on pension :|


Pensioners are excluded from the tax.

Again, I blame the poor PR campaign.

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Postby evo-STI-k » January 6th, 2010, 1:30 pm

notice there is STILL NO detailed information on WHO and HOW the valuation will be done, and there is no way to Objectivey challenge what your property will be valued at!

I wonder, seeing as woodbrook is One AREA then it should stand that the rental vaule for an apratment in the TOWERS should be subject to the same size sq footage as a surrounding dwelling place!

lets see how this will work!

Now the country will need to pull together and STAND for what the want!

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Postby toyota2nr » January 6th, 2010, 1:31 pm

bluesteel29 wrote:how meh granma gonna pay the increase wen she dun livin on pension :|


Let RASC explain since he thinks is a good idea to burden the citizens with more tax so Patrick Manning and his cronies can keep enjoying the lavish life style that they living.

And RASC by the way is it the PNM that cause the price of real estate in T&T to go up with their so called development program yet up to now farmers can't get a good road . Overheating the economy and construction sector.

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Postby RASC » January 6th, 2010, 1:32 pm

evo-STI-k wrote:notice there is STILL NO detailed information on WHO and HOW the valuation will be done, and there is no way to Objectivey challenge what your property will be valued at!

I wonder, seeing as woodbrook is One AREA then it should stand that the rental vaule for an apratment in the TOWERS should be subject to the same size sq footage as a surrounding dwelling place!

lets see how this will work!

Now the country will need to pull together and STAND for what the want!


Worse yet, Alot of Property valuers in T&T suck...

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Postby wagonrunner » January 6th, 2010, 1:36 pm

evo-STI-k wrote:I wonder, seeing as woodbrook is One AREA then it should stand that the rental vaule for an apratment in the TOWERS should be subject to the same size sq footage as a surrounding dwelling place!

with your profession noted, would it take the same level of infrastructure / effort to supply amenities, for example water (daily usage / emergency) to the towers compound, as it would other two and three story buildings in that area?

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Postby evo-STI-k » January 6th, 2010, 1:41 pm

wagonrunner wrote:
evo-STI-k wrote:I wonder, seeing as woodbrook is One AREA then it should stand that the rental vaule for an apratment in the TOWERS should be subject to the same size sq footage as a surrounding dwelling place!

with your profession noted, would it take the same level of infrastructure / effort to supply amenities, for example water (daily usage / emergency) to the towers compound, as it would other two and three story buildings in that area?


this is why i asked the question about HOW they plan on valuating your property according to AREAS!

I see that there have big advertisements on TV with the dates that your tax valuation should arrive and they go on to say when and where you can pay it and also the deadline date, at NO time during that commercial did they OFFER a HELP contact or a contact for Questioning your vaulation!

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