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Re: Digicel Mulls Banning VOIP in Jamaica (Coming soon to T&

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » July 8th, 2014, 1:35 am

Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:I am pretty sure video puts more of a strain on mobile services than VoIP. I don't for one second believe apps like viber "clog" up their network or prevent everyone from having decent speeds.

If it really was about clogging of the network they would be going after video streaming.


Yes we all know they are liars and trying to BS the population.

If they were serious about VOIP clogging up their network they would also ban video streaming. The real reason is lost of profits.

The thing is I don't want to see Digicel go bankrupt because of Viber etc so I guess they have to lie to stay in business. Besides if you have friends with smartphones they can just easily switch to skype and digicel won't have a problem with that. Viber makes it too easy to get free calls, no account, no nothing just download and dial as if its a voice watts app

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 8th, 2014, 1:42 am

Yeah but rolling over easy just gives companies more incentives to fcuk customers over in future. No one is saying digicel should take it and go bankrupt but lying to customers to me not much better either. Cuz when their profits drop again what's next on the chopping block? Whatsapp? Netflix? Youtube? Heck email can be considered texting by digi. Can't be giving companies inches when they will take you one step beyond.

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » July 8th, 2014, 1:56 am

^ good point eh

Its very possible they would want to ban video streaming in future if this succeeds. But assuming video streaming I doubt is a problem for them since their data is very expensive and quite limited I think they would be glad if you used up all your data on youtube.

Viber on the other hand its so cheap and no point in using their regular voice network which happens to be their real income. I bet 4G does not even break 20% of their total revenue.

But if that is the case then they should not have a problem with viber I guess. Maybe they just greedy who knows, I have no idea whats their loss right now but I am going to go out on a limb here and say their loss is pretty small but they foresee it being massive soon at the rate of which smartphone is replacing normal phones and they are scared.

Perhaps we could always protest by not supporting them over this? just use WIFI for viber?

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Re: Digicel Mulls Banning VOIP in Jamaica (Coming soon to T&

Postby pete » July 8th, 2014, 7:15 am

One thing tho.. their data rates are pretty great especially with the promotions they have now. I have a mifi hotspot and I use the 5Gig plan which is $150/month. Thing is they give $50 extra when you top up with $100 or more. So I'm getting the plan now for $100/month. On top of that every time you renew a plan you get an extra 1Gb for a week. So 6Gb for $100

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Postby 2WNBoost » July 8th, 2014, 7:31 am

Sit down quiet and take what ever they give you.
Justify it by saying you don't want to harm the company.
But don't be surprised, if in the not too distant future, your service looks like this

A GUIDE TO the OPEN INTERNET: http://www.theopeninter.net/

Interesting read
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/harms-way-dangers-world-without-net-neutrality

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Postby ModMania » July 8th, 2014, 9:37 am

Who inside for a ddos of digicel website?

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 8th, 2014, 9:43 am

ModMania wrote:Who inside for a ddos of digicel website?


For what? They'll just spin it as illegal activity and use it against the true issue.

Corporations just deal in $. Stop subscribing to Digicel if you really want to make a stand.

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Postby ModMania » July 8th, 2014, 9:52 am

Well....if their website is down, they dont make money....no online payments. I dunno just sayin, let them kno they cant firetruck with the interwebs

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » July 8th, 2014, 12:22 pm

^ Its better to just boycott them.

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Postby Swisha » July 8th, 2014, 8:40 pm

And allyuh say TATT was a waste of time...

Hey Facebook Fans. Effective July 09, Digicel is pleased to resume all VoIP based products while TATT is engaged in investigating the negative impact of unlicensed providers and the adverse impact they have on infrastructure based investment in Trinidad and Tobago. Digicel will continue to engage with the Authority and very much welcomes the opportunity that has been provided to communicate its position and concerns.

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Postby hustla_ambition101 » July 8th, 2014, 9:04 pm

They still are, I think public outcry and the potential to lose thousands of customers was the major factor in forcing their hand to retract.

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Postby S_2NR » July 8th, 2014, 9:07 pm

What you have to say now daran? Chupid kant

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 8th, 2014, 9:12 pm

It was the public outcry. Have a look At their fb page. No amount of their canned responses could have swayed the public opinion.

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Postby hustla_ambition101 » July 8th, 2014, 9:26 pm

S_2NR wrote:What you have to say now daran? Chupid kant


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Postby -Roach- » July 9th, 2014, 8:02 am

Just got the text... Effective immediately!... :)

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Postby JF.K » July 9th, 2014, 8:02 am

Just got a message from Digicel:

Valued customer, effective immediately we are pleased to resume VOIP based products now that TATT has agreed to review the negative impact of unlicenced providers

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Re: Digicel Mulls Banning VOIP in Jamaica (Coming soon to T&

Postby UML » July 9th, 2014, 8:12 am

UML wrote:well I hope Aunty Kams takes action ;)


Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:Pretty sure the law makers at the time didn't foresee things like this. Doubt TATT can do anything much less a PM. This is one instance where the people can make a difference though if they don't subscribe to Digicel's services.



maybe the email did work, maybe it didnt :|

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » July 9th, 2014, 9:09 am

The TATT has absolutely nothing to do with this.

They probably did a little research on what the potential for revenue loss was and realized they would lose more money than they would ultimately gain by this move. It could also be that they were expecting Bmobile to follow and they did not, so realized its not a good move at all.

Any event I hope they continue to strive even though I am not a digicel customer. But I love healthy competition is all, always better for the consumer

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Re: Digicel Mulls Banning VOIP in Jamaica (Coming soon to T&

Postby redmanjp » December 5th, 2014, 2:13 pm

not this sheit again

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20141203/business/business1.html


Telecoms triumph in VoIP stand-off
Published: Wednesday | December 3, 2014

The Jamaican Government has signaled that it is preparing to end the free ride for providers of internet calling and data services, known as Voice-Over Internet Protocol (VoIP), some of whom have refused to enter into licensing agreement with telecoms on whose networks their services terminate.

Phillip Paulwell, the Minister of Science Technology Energy and Mining, told a forum in Kingston on Tuesday that regulations for VoIP services were currently being drafted and that the government would be going after tax revenue from service providers.

"The Ministry for Finance and Planning needs to collect revenue," the minister declared.

He said, however, that voice would be singled out for special treatment.

"We are hoping to encourage Jamaican programmers," he said, while noting that a "distinction" will be made regarding "pure voice" services.

The move to police internet calling services appears on the face of it to hand a victory to Digicel and LIME, which have been trying to force services like Viber into contractual arrangements, amid complaints that the service providers are adding traffic their networks without paying for its usage.

Attempts at blocking the unlicensed VoIP providers has not gone well, leading to customer backlash against the telecoms.

Still Digicel Group - which has been the most vocal at lambasting the services, calling them 'parasitic', and has led a Caribbean lobby alongside LIME against VoIPs -appeared cautious on Tuesday about seeing the announcement as a win.

Attributed to Digicel:

"The dynamism of the telecommunications industry requires responsive policymakers. So, while we were not aware of the regulations mentioned by the Minister, we do welcome the proactive response to the issues related to VoIP calls," said Digicel Jamaica via email.

LIME's parent company was more willing to celebrate the development, saying that while it awaits a draft of the regulations to "see how best we can assist in framing it", it also sees the announcement as an important step to align oversight to the service "with the new digital age".

"Cable and Wireless Communications welcomes Minister Paulwell's pronouncement today in relation to permitting charges for making calls using Voice over Internet Protocol," said the London-based telecoms.

"We have long maintained that VoIP operators have been utilising the network of telecoms providers without any commensurate compensation for this service. In doing so, they are also depriving the government of tax revenue."

Jamaican programmers and tech entrepreneurs, as well as some in the academic field, will likely view it as a setback, having argued since mid-year that the VoIP services have opened up communications placed groups in easier reach of target markets.

Digicel has argued in the past that unlicensed services like Viber and Nimbuzz put pressure on its bandwidth. But opponents of the blockade have countered with a net neutrality argument, saying VoIP services ought to be treated as part of the data package paid for by broadband subscribers.

Tech-preneurs also say the blockade on free VoIP providers stifles innovation in a sector where start-ups have limited access to capital.

Paulwell's announcement of a legislative solution follows a review of the telecoms' case in August.

Regarding other updates on developments in the ICT sector, the minister said both mobile and fixed line number portability will be introduced as of May 31, 2015.

"The chief parliamentary counsel has finalised all regulations dealing with portability. We have gazetted all the rules.The companies which are not ready will feel the full brunt of the law," he said.

Paulwell later clarified that the penalty for non-compliance was the revocation of operating licenses.

For all breaches of the law, he said, notice will be given of the need for correction and where there is failure to comply, the telecoms provider's license will be revoked.

Mandatory Use

Meantime, the mandatory use of the local Internet exchange point (IXP) by providers will become mandatory as of January 1. Internet traffic is currently routed through the United States, which Paulwell said was "costly and cumbersome".

The regulations to create a single regulator for ICT, which will assume the elements of communication oversight currently split among the Office of Utilities Regulation, Spectrum Authority, Fair Trading Commission and the Broadcasting Commission, will also be drafted by January.

"Currently, we are completing the drafting instructions for a new ICT law. By the second week in January we will have, therefore, a new set of proposals ready for Cabinet," said the minister.

"There are pockets of resistance, but nothing can stop it in the long run," he said.

Speaking broadly about Internet access, Paulwell said the pricing of the service remained an area of concern for the Government.

He said his ministry would continue to draw on the Universal Access Fund to provide free community access, "until the prices come down".

The fund, which is seeded by a cess on overseas companies for telephone calls terminating in Jamaica, currently stands at $12 billion, he said.

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