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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby UML » November 26th, 2013, 1:14 pm

Didn't they "ban" us already with the "T&T is not an ATM" comment?!! :roll:

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Postby Crackpot » November 26th, 2013, 1:23 pm

^^Wow look who reach.....I gone wid dah one yes :|

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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby pioneer » November 26th, 2013, 1:31 pm

So many talknahs in here

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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby bluefete » November 26th, 2013, 1:36 pm

Illegal immigrants have been the mainstay of developed world economies for many years. T&T is no different.

But, when these economies start enforcing their immigration laws, the illegals start to beat up.

Every county has the right to refuse entry to visitors if there is enough suspicion that the visit is not for the purposes it seems. Just ask the many Trinbagonians who have been immediately turned back at JFK and Heathrow.

How many of you remember the dotish youthman with the cocaine from T&T who was going to his "sister wedding" in the UK?

The same Jamaicans who are beating up do not even qualify for the US Visa lottery. That says a lot.

At the same time, I think people are really making a mountain out of a molehill.

The problem really arises when countries belong to a Regional Trade Agreement like NAFTA or Caricom or the EU.

The bottoms of the British are quaking right now because come January 1, 2014, the Romanians (gypsies) are going to descend into England, en masse, by virtue of their member ship in the European Union.

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Postby Dizzy28 » November 26th, 2013, 1:44 pm

^ By putting Gypsies in brackets next to Romanians you make it seem that that all Romanians are Gypsies. This is far from the reality. There is also a significant difference between Romanians and Roma people.

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Postby RIPEBREDFRUIT » November 26th, 2013, 2:05 pm

17,000 ILLEGAL jamaicans in trinidad now?

geeze, thats alot of backayards

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Postby bluefete » November 26th, 2013, 2:09 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:^ By putting Gypsies in brackets next to Romanians you make it seem that that all Romanians are Gypsies. This is far from the reality. There is also a significant difference between Romanians and Roma people.


Point taken. The Romas are waiting to enter the UK en masse!!

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Postby bluefete » November 26th, 2013, 2:10 pm

bluefete wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^ By putting Gypsies in brackets next to Romanians you make it seem that that all Romanians are Gypsies. This is far from the reality. There is also a significant difference between Romanians and Roma people.


Point taken. The Romas are waiting to enter the UK en masse!! But they are still Romanians, eh!

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Postby Morpheus » November 26th, 2013, 2:16 pm

Ignorant Ignis wrote:
src1983 wrote:
rfari wrote:
kjaglal76 wrote:
rfari wrote:
kjaglal76 wrote:now our tax paying dollars would have to foot the bill for the birth of their baby leech, the cycle continues

Im sure hes prolly working on getting legal. I doh ask him his business so i cant say for sure. And how much could it cost to have a baby in the public hospitals? I dawt is so much to buss the treasury. And for all u knw the baby may grow up to be the next island scholar


rfari cost add up, lets say 8000 of those make baby, now multiply that, spin it as u may, they're an invasive species, we done catching we cunny for bed space in d hospital, outside wid dem, kudos to the immigration department

I say naturalise them. Take contributions and give them tnt id cards and passports


Why? They would just be taking jobs that locals could have benefited from. And if there aren't jobs available how would they pay such contributions?


no they dont ..... they taking jobs trini's dont want .... and i know this first hand as one of the companies i worked for previously had to import workers from another caricom country to fill it's labour force needs after advertising available positions for over 3 months.

and same goes for those jobs in the fast food business u see in the papers all the time


^^Why hast thou speaketh the truth?

Trinis want to be on the block or in a bar by 10am. Foreigners doing the jobs. BS about foreigners taking Trini jobs. Flicking Trini doh want it cause it too hard :lol::lol::lol:

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Postby Morpheus » November 26th, 2013, 2:18 pm

pioneer wrote:So many talknahs in here


:lol::lol: Yuh know most times you come across as King Talknah right??

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Postby RIPEBREDFRUIT » November 26th, 2013, 2:30 pm

Morpheus wrote:
Ignorant Ignis wrote:
src1983 wrote:
rfari wrote:
kjaglal76 wrote:
rfari wrote:
kjaglal76 wrote:now our tax paying dollars would have to foot the bill for the birth of their baby leech, the cycle continues

Im sure hes prolly working on getting legal. I doh ask him his business so i cant say for sure. And how much could it cost to have a baby in the public hospitals? I dawt is so much to buss the treasury. And for all u knw the baby may grow up to be the next island scholar


rfari cost add up, lets say 8000 of those make baby, now multiply that, spin it as u may, they're an invasive species, we done catching we cunny for bed space in d hospital, outside wid dem, kudos to the immigration department

I say naturalise them. Take contributions and give them tnt id cards and passports


Why? They would just be taking jobs that locals could have benefited from. And if there aren't jobs available how would they pay such contributions?


no they dont ..... they taking jobs trini's dont want .... and i know this first hand as one of the companies i worked for previously had to import workers from another caricom country to fill it's labour force needs after advertising available positions for over 3 months.

and same goes for those jobs in the fast food business u see in the papers all the time


^^Why hast thou speaketh the truth?

Trinis want to be on the block or in a bar by 10am. Foreigners doing the jobs. BS about foreigners taking Trini jobs. Flicking Trini doh want it cause it too hard :lol::lol::lol:



As i have been saying, come 2015- there will be a handful of good tradesmen in this country, Most f the countrys youth are too fkng lazy to learn a trade or start at entry level jobs- they are too proud and feel as if a high paying job is due to them as they leave school.

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Postby Habit7 » November 26th, 2013, 2:43 pm

Allow me to repost this here

Hard-hit employers pitch jobs at foreigners
Cepep, a major competitor
Dixie-Ann Dickson
Published: Thursday, June 7, 2012


Service industry businesses are in sore need of workers. Even though the service sector in particular has been challenged in securing sustainable employment, Mario Sabga-Aboud, chairman of the Pizza Boys Group, said the local labour shortage has worsened. “We are experiencing a severe shortage, so we have no choice but to turn to migrant labour.
In an interview last Friday at the Group’s head office in El Socorro, San Juan, he said his chain of coffee, pizza and chicken and chips companies needs labour so badly, it has no choice but to import. He said the labour shortage is at the entry level, where the annual turnover of employees is 170 per cent. Most employees stay on the job for between four and six weeks. In some instances, they do not even show up for the job. “I plan to establish 20 more Rituals stores and Church’s restaurants in the next two years throughout T&T and I can’t because I do not have the labour.”


Sabga-Aboud said the situation is particularly bad along the East/West Corridor, but more positive in south Trinidad.
He said the group, which has 1,100 workers in its employ, still needs an additional 200 staff for its 100 food outlets, from customer representatives to managers. Service is important in the coffee retail business. Given that the 2012 performance of the Rituals chain of coffee shops, Sabga-Aboud said, is up by 40 per cent compared to 2011. “We are doing well.” He said even though the minimum wage is $12, its employees receive $14.50 at entry level. Supervisors and managers receive between $4,000 and $15,000 a month. Sabga-Aboud said the situation baffles him because citizens’ behaviour regarding their lack of urgency for jobs is not a reflection of an economic slowdown. On May 24, Central Bank governor Ewart Williams said the economy was in a slump with three years of economic decline. Williams attributed this to the slow implementation of government projects and the private sector’s reluctance to invest. Sabga-Aboud said the labour shortage is worsening and is affecting his ability to deliver quality service. He said a typical coffee shop needs between eight and 14 employees to operate two shifts between 6 am and 8 pm. “We do not have that figure at the moment.”


Is foreign labour growing?
In 2011, the group hired seven Jamaicans, who are performing well. The food service group has gone guerrilla in its marketing approach to attracting labour. Signs are posted on its restaurant windows at different locations inviting foreign nationals to apply for work. “We have already conducted 19 interviews two weeks ago and 18 more last week, of which 70 per cent are Jamaicans, while the balance are from Guyana,” Sabga-Aboud said. Norman Sabga-Aboud, Mario’s brother, provided more insight on the importation of labour. He said the approval for obtaining foreign nationals is very long and rigorous. Asked about the criteria for businesses wishing to hire foreign nationals, Norman said foreign applicants must prove they are legitimate by presenting a valid passport with the required stamps and entry documents. Norman said most applicants usually come for vacation and take advantage of available job opportunities. “We would apply for their work permit. If their vacation has ended, they would return to their homeland, and when the permit is approved, they would return to T&T.” He said the foreigner must produce a criminal record and be subjected to background checks. An employer pays the $6,000 annual cost of a work permit. “Each application is evaluated on its own merit,” Norman said. “The system is designed to deter you from engaging in the processes.” In 2011, the group presented about 20 applications to the Ministry of Labour and Small and Micro Enterprise Development in 2011 and only seven Jamaicans were approved, he said. Norman stated an employer must be able to prove to Ministry of Labour that its request for foreign nationals is justified.
Ansylla Payne, human resource manager of the group, said approvals are sent to the Ministry of National Security, then to the Labour Ministry and back to the Ministry of National Security for final approval.


Proof of request:
• Thousands of advertisements
• Publication of job fares
• Flyers/billboards
• Response from locals
Other sectors, especially in the construction industry, have rejected the idea of migrant labour as it is regarded as taking away jobs from locals.


Multi-sectoral labour shortage
The labour shortage is not limited to fast food industry.
Retail stores, pharmacies and hardwares are just as hard hit, Norman said.
This phenomenon is occurring mainly among single-parent women, between the ages of 17 and 23.


Norman said the reasons everyone is struggling to hire and keep staff vary:
• Employees show lack of commitment
• Some workers do not show up for the job
• A decline in such values and principles as honesty
• The work is too hard
• Very little support system at home, no babysitter, etc
• Challenging to work shift hours, despite employers making alternative arrangements
• Some use the position as a stepping stone
Underscoring this view was Christian Mouttet, chairman of Prestige Holdings, which manages the KFC and Subway chains, who said it’s been challenging in the last few years to find labour for the services sector, manufacturing and construction.
“In the case of the manufacturing and construction industry, there are high levels of absenteeism and lack of qualified skilled labour. It’s a reflection of a different labour environment, but we have been using all sorts of mechanisms to keep employees and businesses operating.”
Mouttet said they tried to offer different kinds of incentives and offer career planning, with limited success. “There was an expectation when the economy slowed down, there would be more availability of labour. We have not seen that.”


Major hindrance: Make-work programmes
Mouttet identified employers’ biggest hurdle to attracting labour: “The make-to-work or the government’s social programmes are our biggest competition. “We have more than 2,500 workers employed at our various restaurants, Kentucky Fried Chicken, TGI Friday’s, Pizza Hut and Subway.” The staff turnover, he said, is 75 to 80 per cent on an annual basis, where they stay between three to six weeks. “There is a demand for labour in the market, so I thought there would be a cut in these social programmes.” Instead, the make-work programmes have been growing. On June 2, Adesh Deonarine, chairman of the Community-based Environmental Protection and Enhancement Programme (Cepep), said, “There has been an increase in the number of contracts in the last two years. We need more money because we are increasing the amount of contractors in the programme.”


He said when he took the job, Cepep had just over 100 contracts, but that has since been doubled. The $320 million allocated for the 2012 Cepep programme has been exhausted. During the debate on the Second Report of the Finance Committee of the House of Representatives on proposals for the Supplementation and Variation of the 2012 Appropriation on June 3, it was determined that the government needed an additional $240 million to pay the 10,000-strong Cepep workforce. Mouttet said citizens could join these programmes and do less onerous work for fewer hours. He said they refuse to commit to other jobs because these make-to-work programmes create a culture of diminished work ethic and productivity. He said the Government must be careful that these programmes do not become a career or long-term employment for citizens and a substitution for sustainable employment.

http://m.guardian.co.tt/business-guardi ... foreigners

For those want the cliffs:
We are in dire need for workers for our economy to expand and locals are too lazy and not as service oriented. The CEPEP program which in Opposition the UNC condemned but in govt now loves and is expanding to an unsustainable level, is taking away jobs from the service sector with comparable salaries but less hours of work.

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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby rfari » November 26th, 2013, 2:53 pm

We end up in a worse monkeypants when we have certain ppl in the tnt society that in reality should be collecting bottle at the side of the road but instead chose to influence universities to allow them to graduate without all the requisite coursework completed. Others forging cv and cyar do the wuk. Place gorn thru yes

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Postby src1983 » November 26th, 2013, 2:57 pm

They are being brought for a purpose, just like the US

Not storming the country and freeloading

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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby De Dragon » November 26th, 2013, 4:46 pm

It is utter folly, and overly simplistic to believe that every single job presently held by a foreigner was refused by a Trini. Is it because they are only occupying the less skilled jobs that we're not concerned? What about when even they outgrow those jobs and start to move on to middle class ones? How about when they threaten your job? I have no problem with skilled workers legally here getting jobs, but illegals cannot be allowed to take up residence here, Caricom or not.

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Postby Habit7 » November 26th, 2013, 4:56 pm

A fair minded yardie says it best

Leave Trinidad Alone!



A friend of mine recently accused me of being a political conservative. He went on to point out that such a characterization will undoubtedly cause me to find myself on what he described as the “wrong side of history.” The characterization and accompanying condemnation arose as a result of my defence of Trinidad and Tobago in the ongoing drama surrounding the decision of immigration officials in that country to refuse entry to thirteen (13) Jamaican nationals. Apparently defending the right of a sovereign territory, particularly Trinidad and Tobago, in the exercise of its legitimate right to decide who can and cannot enter its borders is an unforgiveable sin, a politically conservative sin and possibly even an unpatriotic sin. Jamaicans in our righteous anger and pride have condemned Trinidad and Tobago in this matter and many have gone as far as calling for the secession of Jamaica from the Caribbean Community, CARICOM. I take strong exception to this, and wish to share my unpopular thoughts on the issue.

I must first of all express how terribly disappointed I am in my fellow nationals for the irresponsible and sensational manner in which the situation has been dealt with. I am particularly disappointed in the Jamaica Observer for the inflammatory manner in which it crafted the story on the issue. Many, if not all, of us have no understanding of the facts which led to entry being denied to the thirteen (13) individuals who sought admittance to Trinidad. No matter that fact, we have become caught up in the whirlwind media sensationalization and launched an attack on the Caribbean Community, how dare they disrespect our nationals?! What about free movement?! I agree, what about it? You see, I cannot accept that the architects of the concept of free movement envisioned that it should grant automatic and unrestrained access to a foreign national to any country in the region he/she chooses. That would be lunacy. Let us not forget that CARICOM is not a federal state, you are not entitled to anything outside of Jamaica. Our sense of entitlement is appalling. You are a foreigner when you land at a port in Trinidad and Tobago. In my opinion, the “CARICOM passport” functions like any other visa. As far as I understand visas, they authorize you to land at the port; admittance has to be a discretionary matter. It simply has to be. I am defending the right of Trinidad to refuse any person it deems ineligible because I reserve the very same right for Jamaica. I am not at all comfortable with the idea that any foreigner, no matter their nationality, should have automatic access to this country’s borders, I contend that is a right reserved only for a citizen of the country. Why would any reasonable person demand such unrestrained access? We are hypocrites too. When CARICOM member Haiti was struck by that devastating earthquake recently, and many Haitians turned up at our borders, desperate for admittance and “free movement”, we demanded the government send them back. Many of us were angry any money was even spent to accommodate them for the period they were here. Is it that free movement only applies when we want it?

What really troubles me about all this is the nagging feeling that most of us are angry because of our false sense of pride. We have always been a proud and, as one of my colleagues pointed out, reactive people. Trinidad’s exercise of its sovereign authority hurt that pride and so we are now reacting. If we are honest with ourselves, we have always harboured the unhealthy sentiment that Jamaica is the best of the Caribbean, a capital of sorts, and therefore we have behaved accordingly entitled. That is the source of our pride. Many of us are incredulous because we deem Trinidad a “spec in the sea” and “two likkle fi even be a country”, an “insignificant” country should never seek to disrespect Jamaica, right? We took the same stance on Mugabe’s comments on Jamaica. Meanwhile, the United States rejects us in droves every single day and we sit pretty smiling at that, with little more than a peep. In our quest to satisfy our wounded pride, we have gone as far as accusing Trinidad of “badminding” Jamaica for our achievements. I admit myself baffled at that argument, because we have such precious little to ‘badmind’. We are on auto pilot, veering on the edge of a political, economic and social abyss, who would ‘badmind’ that? Pride aside, how about we accept the fact that statistics are not in our favour? Most countries have instituted visa requirements against us because we do not have a good track record for international conduct and behaviour. We have to accept that; the bad mek it worse for the good. It is unfortunate, but true. Let us put our pride aside and accept the realities.

Finally, the calls for Jamaica to secede from CARICOM are misguided at best and stupid at worse. I usually place great store on history and that history tells me such a move would be disastrous. Jamaica was incapable of standing alone in 1961, and we are woefully incapable of doing so in 2013. The secessionists argue that Jamaica has not benefitted from our involvement with the Caribbean Community. What of the University of the West Indies? What of the Caribbean Examinations Council? What of the collaboration between member states on important issues and initiatives ranging from climate change to public health? And what of the Caribbean Court of Justice? We have shunned its appellate jurisdiction but it was still able to dispense justice on behalf of one of our own. These things have to count for something, we must count them as benefits. I concede that there have been serious issues relating to trade, for example. As a result, I cannot in good conscience argue with those who wish to voice their displeasure at unfair trade practices by boycotting Trinidadian goods, that would be an individual choice. However, the answer cannot be that we just jump ship as a country, we tried that before and we paid a terrible price. Instead, let us be clear on the issues and put in place the appropriate mechanisms to resolve the concerns and enforce the relevant decisions and resolutions. We need to demand more from our government, send a clear signal that we expect more advocacy on our behalf. The simple truth is that we are stronger when we stand together than when we stand divided. Let us not be so proud that we repeat our mistakes.

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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby zoom rader » November 26th, 2013, 4:59 pm

Amazing how the pnm tuners finding all sorts feeble excuses as to why to allow these illegal jamaicans in, but on the other hand they don't want guyanese or Suriname ppl in.

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Postby Habit7 » November 26th, 2013, 5:27 pm

zoom rader wrote:Amazing how the pnm tuners finding all sorts feeble excuses as to why to allow these illegal jamaicans in, but on the other hand they don't want guyanese or Suriname ppl in.

Who is making that differentiation? Call names. Be aware with the racial undertone you insinuating, next to T&T, Guyana and Suriname, Jamaica has the next highest indo-caribbean population.

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Postby Morpheus » November 26th, 2013, 5:35 pm

zoom rader wrote:Amazing how the pnm tuners finding all sorts feeble excuses as to why to allow these illegal jamaicans in, but on the other hand they don't want guyanese or Suriname ppl in.


LoL. Wut???

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Postby skylinechild » November 26th, 2013, 5:40 pm

Ignorant Ignis wrote:
TriP wrote:de teacher gyal have a page on facebottomhole

"Jamaican teacher carry on anti trinidad goods"

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lol... they dont even know what companies are trini owned much less what products belong to who

they have crix as jam product
and smj owns juciful and fresh which they have listed as the local alternative to fruta :lol: :lol:


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is it just me or is almost everything on the jamacian side is either a biscuit or salt cracker....trini have holiday foods- nuts and such...and all them hav is crackers....water cracker hannah crackers, special cream crackers....looks like thats the national staple across there... :lol:

my 0.02 cents. If you cannot answer simple immigration questions and cannot provide simple information upon entry- where you going, who picking, u up where you plan on staying, reason for visit etc. and you have no cash, no credit cards, no relatives...then this raises a red flag....to any immigration officer in any country....then the country deserves the right to have you shipped back to your country of origin.

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Postby pugboy » November 26th, 2013, 6:39 pm

There are a lot of female jamaicans workng in upsl too.

The govt needs to pass a law fast to not grant papers to babies born of illegal immigrants

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Postby Crackpot » November 26th, 2013, 6:47 pm

pugboy wrote:There are a lot of female jamaicans workng in upsl too.

The govt needs to pass a law fast to not grant papers to babies born of illegal immigrants


The amer-indians should have passed a law and all of us woulda be in uttarpradesh or nigeria :|

Donkey logic :roll:

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Postby pioneer » November 26th, 2013, 6:54 pm

chunas eatin normel

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Postby kjaglal76 » November 26th, 2013, 7:56 pm

ahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahaha

dis she reply?

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Postby S_2NR » November 26th, 2013, 8:02 pm

pios again :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby xhex » November 26th, 2013, 8:03 pm

one set of attitude because you cyah come here and install yourself into the country. they want to boycott everything from Trinidad; quite placist indeed. boycott everything from the US too nuh.

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Postby spirited721 » November 26th, 2013, 8:46 pm

Tell them boycott coco when they come down. When they reach Trini soil like they does turn rabbit.

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Postby bluefete » November 26th, 2013, 9:57 pm

I DO share your concerns on migration, declares Cameron days after Mail's explosive poll: PM unveils sweeping new restrictions on access to benefits

PM unveils new restrictions on access to benefits for EU migrants
'EU principle of "free movement" for workers has gone too far' he'll say
Emergency package of measures comes days days after a Daily Mail poll
Revealed four in five people don't want unrestricted access to UK

By James Chapman

PUBLISHED: 00:08 GMT, 27 November 2013 | UPDATED: 00:13 GMT, 27 November 2013



David Cameron will today unveil sweeping new restrictions on access to benefits for EU migrants.

The Prime Minister will insist that he shares the public’s ‘concerns’ about a renewed wave of migration from Europe.

Ahead of the lifting of controls on newcomers from Romania and Bulgaria on January 1, he will declare that the founding EU principle of ‘free movement’ for workers has gone too far.

Mr Cameron will say Labour’s record of failure meant many people are ‘deeply concerned’ about what will happen when the transitional restrictions come to an end, adding: ‘I share those concerns.’

He has responded with an emergency package of measures within days of a Daily Mail poll, published last Friday, which revealed more than four in five people do not want unrestricted access to the UK for Romanians and Bulgarians.

This was the trigger for other polls that signalled similar levels of public concern.

‘We need to face the fact that free movement has become a trigger for vast population movements caused by huge disparities in income,’ the Prime Minister will say, proposing a bar on arrivals from EU countries which do not meet a fixed level of average earnings.

By January 1, Mr Cameron will announce EU jobseekers will no longer be paid housing benefit to subsidise accommodation costs.

There will be time limits before out-of-work benefits can be claimed.

Migrants who currently get jobseekers’ allowance after less than a month will have to wait three months before claiming.


Benefits will no longer be paid indefinitely, with payments stopped after six months unless people have a genuine prospect of employment.

Beggars and vagrants from EU countries will be removed and barred from re-entering Britain for 12 months.

Most controversially, the Government is planning a new ‘minimum earnings threshold’ – below which benefits that top up earnings, such as income support, will be cut altogether.

Government sources said the threshold had yet to be set, but would aim to prevent EU workers topping up low incomes with benefits.

Ministers insist they are powerless to prevent a potential influx of workers from the two countries because of EU rules.

Some of the measures can be implemented immediately, but others are expected to require emergency legislation which may not be in place by January 1. It is not known if the plans will face legal challenges from Brussels.

Mr Cameron will accuse Labour of a ‘monumental mistake’ in failing to control immigration from Eastern Europe.

He will say its refusal to impose controls on new EU members in 2004 led to a surge in immigration. One million people from central and Eastern Europe now live in the UK.

‘In 2004, the Labour Government made the decision that the UK should opt out completely of transitional controls on the new EU member states.

They had the right to impose a seven-year ban before new citizens could come and work here, but – almost alone in Europe – Labour refused it. That was a monumental mistake,’ Mr Cameron writes in an article for the Financial Times today.

He will say: ‘That was the moment to address difficult questions about when to allow new entrants full access to each others’ labour markets – but the Labour Government ducked these questions.’

The Immigration Bill, he will add, already seeks to reduce ‘pull factors’ to Britain. He will also unveil four new measures.
He will say its refusal to impose controls on new EU members in 2004 led to a surge in immigration. One million people from central and Eastern Europe now live in the UK

Bulgarians queue outside the British Embassy in Sofia to apply for visas to work in the United Kingdom, in 2006. One million people from central and Eastern Europe now live in the UK

‘We are changing the rules so that no one can come to this country and expect to get out-of-work benefits immediately; we will not pay them for the first three months. If after three months an EU national needs benefits – we will no longer pay these indefinitely.’

He will say: ‘They will only be able to claim for a maximum of six months unless they can prove they have a genuine prospect of employment. We are also toughening up the test which migrants who want to claim benefits must undergo.
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said: 'These are sensible and reasonable reforms to ensure that the right to work does not automatically mean the right to claim'

‘This will include a new minimum earnings threshold. If they don’t pass the test, we’ll cut off access to benefits such as income support.

‘Newly arrived EU jobseekers will not be able to claim housing benefit. If people are not here to work – if they are begging or sleeping rough – they will be removed. They will then be barred from re-entry for 12 months, unless they can prove they have a proper reason to be here.’

Mr Cameron will say free movement is key to his attempts to carve out a looser relationship with Brussels ahead of an in/out referendum on EU membership by 2017.

‘Britain, as part of our plan to reform the EU, will now work with others to return the concept of free movement to a more sensible basis.
‘And we need to do the same with welfare.

For example, free movement shouldn’t be about exporting child benefit – I want to work with our European partners to address this.’

The PM will say he wants to look at various options to stop surges of immigration.

‘One would be to require a new country to reach a certain share of average EU GDP per head before full free movement was allowed.

Individual member states could be freed to impose a cap if their inflow from the EU reached a certain number in a single year.

‘I look forward to working with other countries who also want reform – and to putting the choice about our future in Europe in a referendum.’

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said: ‘These are sensible and reasonable reforms to ensure that the right to work does not automatically mean the right to claim.’



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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby Shifter Kart » November 26th, 2013, 11:44 pm

this whole boycott thing is stupid and pointless. we import far too much to be able to afford to boycott anything.

i got nothin but love for trinidad....its a shame so many of my fellow countrymen are idiots.

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Re: Jamaica starts informal trade war with T&T

Postby pioneer » November 27th, 2013, 12:04 am

We have them here too, we call em beethamites

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