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Re: Two cops shot

Postby Racers Edge » February 23rd, 2013, 10:11 pm

Kaylex:

1. Quite clearly the ANALOGY I used is lost on you. The point was consequence for transgression. Don't know how else to say that... I do agree that lack of corporal punishment in schools definitely has had an impact on the surge in crime.

2. I'm frankly sick of the empirical data cop out. The death penalty is on the books of the sovereign nation of TT and it should be enforced. I am not about to argue the concept of whether hangings deter criminals, irrelevant. Your holy than thou attitude will come to a screeching halt the day (god forbid) one of your relatives is murdered.

3. I highly question the veracity of this comment, you are seriously telling me it will cost me more for a one time act vs. 50 years of food, clothes and shelter. I will defintely research this. Not about to take your un-referenced word on this.

4. I agree with you. Time to stop the bullsh!t and act. CCJ and withdraw from ALL human rights bodies.

5. This is irrelevant. They have been found guilty by a jury and sentenced according to the laws of the country. What;s your point?

6. Agreed.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby nemisis » February 23rd, 2013, 10:22 pm

Racers Edge wrote:Kaylex:

1. Quite clearly the ANALOGY I used is lost on you. The point was consequence for transgression. Don't know how else to say that... I do agree that lack of corporal punishment in schools definitely has had an impact on the surge in crime.

2. I'm frankly sick of the empirical data cop out. The death penalty is on the books of the sovereign nation of TT and it should be enforced. I am not about to argue the concept of whether hangings deter criminals, irrelevant. Your holy than thou attitude will come to a screeching halt the day (god forbid) one of your relatives is murdered.

3. I highly question the veracity of this comment, you are seriously telling me it will cost me more for a one time act vs. 50 years of food, clothes and shelter. I will defintely research this. Not about to take your un-referenced word on this.

4. I agree with you. Time to stop the bullsh!t and act. CCJ and withdraw from ALL human rights bodies.

5. This is irrelevant. They have been found guilty by a jury and sentenced according to the laws of the country. What;s your point?

6. Agreed.

so if it was his family murdered he would loose his holy than thou attitude (pt #2)If you son hangs innocently would you loose yours (pt #5)

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby pioneer » February 23rd, 2013, 11:40 pm

So when we withdraw from all human rights bodies and international sanctions are dropped on us, you all will be extremely thrilled?

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby Racers Edge » February 23rd, 2013, 11:50 pm

but pio we under 'sanctions' now:

1. we live in burgular proofed, steel doors, barbed wire fences... guard dogs
2. we don't go out without wishing we had a pair of eyes in the back of heads
3. reaching out and coming back home... at all is relief...

seems like sanctions to me.....

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby rfari » February 24th, 2013, 12:40 am

Not sure if it's carlos alfonso the article mentions but whaeva. Panday and ramesh talk sense

Alfonso: Drastic action has to be taken



Shaliza Hassanali
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Sunday, February 24, 2013

As murder rate soars

Maharaj: No crime plan... T&T a killing field
Former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj feels the country has been transformed into a “killing field” as criminals are no longer afraid of the Government, while law abiding citizens have become prisoners in their homes.



Maharaj expressed similar sentiments to Alfonso that T&T was facing a national crisis and that drastic action is needed to deal with the situation. He said the 33 months the Government has been in office they seem not to have a crime plan.



A successful crime plan would involve detection, which Maharaj said, was way too low. “Any person not being detected is an encouragement for criminals to do what they want.” Maharaj said the Government had neglected improving the capabilities of the police, while there was no aggressive machinery to assist the Director of Public Prosecutions in prosecuting people.



“The Government has been denying the office of the DPP the necessary resources to deal with that problem,” he claimed. Feared by the criminals when he served as AG, Maharaj said he pursued all law breakers in a holistic way. “I instituted measures to catch and prosecute the criminals, and if necessary, to have them executed.”





Maharaj said the disbanding of SAUTT saw many police officers who were trained to detect crime being sent home, while SRPs who have little or no experience were brought into the service. Also the cancellation of the OPVs, which was the machinery to prevent the guns and drug from entering our borders was another error.



Asked if another SoE will allay the fears of citizens, Maharaj replied. “That is the wrong road. That will be an admission of failure.” What is needed, Maharaj said, is willpower, expertise, management, proper leadership and dedication, not rhetoric. “The Prime Minister needs to take full responsibility for the massacre that is happening currently. This is the same Government that told the people that crime will be a thing of the past.”



Maharaj will speak at a press conference on Tuesday to discuss rising crime and the PP’s poor governance.





Panday: We hunted the big fish
Former prime minister Basdeo Panday boasted that when his government was in office, crime was at its lowest with less resources, manpower and finances. He said his government worked with a plan and had the capacity to effectively manage it. “I think this Government lacks both of these things.”



Panday what is needed is a multi-faceted approach to tackle crime. The implementation of jobs, educational and social programmes and eliminating the country’s drug lords were some of the strategies Panday had instituted. “The records will show that we dealt with them (drug barons) in a serious way. We hunted the big fish.”



Panday said the hangings of Dole Chadee and his accomplices and the extradition of Zimmern Beharry, who faced charges arising out of international drug trafficking, stopped the criminals in their tracks.





Subero—It’s hard to regain people’s trust
Keith Subero, former general manager of Crime Stoppers, described the escalating crime rate as “frightening.” While Deputy Commissioner Mervyn Richardson made an appeal to the public to join them in the crime fight, a method which Crime Stopper had initiated years ago, Subero said this required citizens to have a certain amount of confidence in the police service.



Noting that citizens had lost all faith in the service, Subero said it will be hard to regain the people’s trust. Meanwhile, Crime Stoppers general manager Garland Samuel said they received hundreds of calls and on-line tips monthly from anonymous people giving information on criminal activity. In the coming weeks, Samuel said, a number of initiatives will be unveiled.





Ramesar: Police demotivated, not taken seriously
Sgt Anand Ramesar, president of the Police Social and Welfare Association, who said several issues have been affecting the T&T Police Service (TTPS), claimed the most nagging was lack of promotions, which the Police Service Commission has failed to address.



“The police officers from a psychological level are not motivated coming out of the inaction of the challenges faced. What we have is too many short term strategies that cannot measure results and treat with crime holistically. We have a lot of issues with police officers’ techniques and practices.” Ramesar said the officers’ mandate needs to be recalibrated.



“We are not seeing scientific studies, proper planning and strategic actions plans that are backed by proper research.” The TTPS has a total of 8,000 officers. Ramesar said the service lacked synergy and networking. “What we need first and foremost is to deal with the human resource; the policeman himself. The culture change. You have quantity but not quality.”



While admitting the service has been faced with a crime detection problem, Ramesar said unless officers are taken seriously nothing will change.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby kaylex » February 24th, 2013, 7:52 am

[quote="Racers Edge"]Kaylex:



2. I'm frankly sick of the empirical data cop out. The death penalty is on the books of the sovereign nation of TT and it should be enforced. I am not about to argue the concept of whether hangings deter criminals, irrelevant. Your holy than thou attitude will come to a screeching halt the day (god forbid) one of your relatives is murdered.

3. I highly question the veracity of this comment, you are seriously telling me it will cost me more for a one time act vs. 50 years of food, clothes and shelter. I will defintely research this. Not about to take your un-referenced word on this.


Lol... I am saying it normel normel... None of my family will ever be murdered or anything of that sort... rest assured... HOLY! HOLY! MY GOD IS GREAT...

You may not want to agree on what i saying.. But I did some research on most of the things I made mention of... I wont spend time referencing on tuner..

But the legal costs for the state to prosecute one person is indeed higher than feeding them... farming them out is the best option though..
Which by the way I find we should be using prisoners to do.. Put they arse to work.. Agri or something..

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby nemisis » February 24th, 2013, 8:21 am

I'm all for farming prisoners, invest in electronic gps bracelets for work gang and add 15 year to the sentence of anyone who attempt too flee while on slave work detail.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby rmn1 » February 27th, 2013, 7:48 am

And how is it in Asia Singapore,Malaysia,Brunei to specific death to drug traffickers, murders etc... My point is if it is we are debating that execution ASAP style is not a deterrent why does it show to be an effective method in those countries...

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » February 27th, 2013, 6:10 pm

rmn1 wrote:And how is it in Asia Singapore,Malaysia,Brunei to specific death to drug traffickers, murders etc... My point is if it is we are debating that execution ASAP style is not a deterrent why does it show to be an effective method in those countries...


They actually find people who commit crimes though. The number of persons convicted of murder and on death row is way smaller than the number of murders committed here.

You can start back hanging but if you can't catch the killer to hang then what? People just say hanging is a detergent when it really means detection is the true deterrent.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby geodude » February 27th, 2013, 6:34 pm

anyone that thinks killing ppl is an answer for ppl that kill ppl has issues.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby *$kїđž!™ » March 6th, 2013, 12:08 am

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PRO ... 82701.html

PROTECT US
Four charged with killing Sgt Manwaring claim police brutality

By Nikita Braxton nikita.braxton@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Mar 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM ECT
The four men charged with killing Police Sgt Hayden Manwaring are asking for protection, claiming death threats and police brutality.
Charged with murdering Manwaring two Tuesdays ago are Kerron Nicholas-Garcia, 19, of Aldana Street, Princes Town; Anthony Clement, 37, of East Dry River, Port of Spain; Kelvin Wallace, 23, of Flamingo Crescent, Pleasantville; and Kofi Cropper, 40, of Manahambre Road, Ste Madeleine.
As they were led into the San Fernando Magistrates' Court yesterday afternoon, one accused cursed media photographers and threw a bag containing his clothing, as he raged about not wanting to be photographed.
And when taken before Deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington, both police and accused killers claimed death threats, with the accused men asked for special protection in prison.
Manwaring was shot in the abdomen on February 19 at Butler Street, San Fernando, after responding to a report of a robbery at a fast food outlet. His colleague, Police Constable Nicholas Philip was also shot in the arm. Manwaring died at the Intensive Care Unit of the San Fernando General Hospital that night, after undergoing surgery.
Philip is on medical leave, awaiting surgery to remove the bullet still lodged in his arm. The four accused, who were charged by Inspector Seemungal Rampersad, were brought from the Homicide Bureau at around 3.15 p.m. They were led through a crowd of police officers and family members.
Some of their relatives wept.
Manwaring's family members and the accused were allowed into the courtroom for the hearing, as dozens of police officers stood by.
Defence attorney Gideon McMaster appeared for the men, telling the court he was holding for attorney Ravi Rajcoomar.
The four are charged with murdering Manwaring. Garcia is also charged with shooting Constable Phillip with intent to cause grievous bodily harm and with stealing Manwaring's Smith and Wesson service firearm, valued at $4,600, and ammunition valued at $30.
Garcia, Wallace and Cropper are jointly charged with three offences of armed robbery at Mom's Diner, Cipero Street, San Fernando, on the day Manwaring was killed.
All four are charged with the illegal possession of arms and ammunition.
Magistrate Wellington was preparing to remand the men in prison custody when attorney McMaster spoke on behalf of the accused.
He said when Garcia was arrested, he was taken to hospital with a gunshot wound and "beaten severely upon his arrest by police".
The attorney said Garcia was "the recipient of several death threat from persons he believed to be police officers" and "one came to his bedside and removed his chest tube".
Garcia claimed that arrangements were being made for him to be killed at prison.
McMaster said Wallace was claiming death threats, and a beating by police officers. McMaster said Wallace had injuries to his chest, hand, wrist and leg.
Clement alleged that as a result of a police beating, he ended up in hospital, and a catheter had to be inserted. Clement, through his attorney, claimed he had blood in his urine.
Cropper claimed injuries to his neck and head, and death threats.
During the defence attorney's statement, Police Prosecutor Sergeant Cleyon Seedan interrupted the court, stating that Wallace had shown him the "gun finger" sign.
Wallace responded, "I didn't look at you officer. That is allegations you pulling."
McMaster asked that the State disclose the evidence against the men.
Sgt Seedan said a State attorney would be appointed in the case.
McMaster asked that the court "make an order so that arrangements can be made so that the lives of the accused are not at risk given the sensitivity of the matter".
Magistrate Wellington said he would note the concerns.
Seedan said the accused men were medically examined before their court appearance.
Wellington adjourned the case to April 5.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby roadhog » March 6th, 2013, 1:17 pm

^^^^^ bahahahahahhaaaa to hell with them. beat them more. these animals deserve to get all their rights stripped from them. they have no regard for life. why should anyone show compassion for them.


inside or outside prison im sure they are dead men walking.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby *$kїđž!™ » August 27th, 2014, 1:38 am

Death certificate of alleged cop killer given to court
By \\\\\ Nikita Braxton-Benjamin
Story Created: Aug 26, 2014 at 8:11 PM ECT
Story Updated: Aug 26, 2014 at 8:11 PM ECT
THE DEATH certificate for one of the men charged with murdering Sergeant Hayden Manwaring was handed over to the court on Monday.

Kofi Cropper, 41, of Manahambre Road, Ste Madeleine, died last month from meningitis.

Cropper, along with Kerron Nicholas Garcia, 20, of Aldana Street, Princes Town; Anthony Clement, 38, of East Dry River, Port of Spain; and Kelvin Wallace, 24, of Flamingo Crescent, Pleasantville were charged by Inspector Seemungal Rampersad with killing Manwaring on February 19 last year.

The case was called before San Fernando Deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington on Monday.

The original of the death certificate was shown to the court and a copy was placed on file.

Attorney Alvin Pariagsingh represented the men on behalf of attorneys Rekha Ramjit and Marissa Bubb.

Manwaring was shot in the abdomen at Butler Street, San Fernando, after responding to a report of a robbery at a fast food outlet.

That night, he died at the intensive care unit after undergoing surgery at San Fernando General Hospital.

His colleague, PC Nicholas Philip, was shot in the arm.

Garcia also faces the charge of shooting PC Phillip with intent to cause grievous bodily harm and with stealing Manwaring’s Smith and Wesson service firearm, valued at $4,600, and ammunition valued at $30.

Garcia, Wallace and Cropper are jointly charged with three offences of armed robbery at Mom’s Diner, Cipero Street, San Fernando, on February 19, 2013.

All four are charged with the illegal possession of arms and ammunition.

The men will next appear in court on September 22.

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby 88sins » August 27th, 2014, 6:16 am

Sgt. Manwarring, requiescat in pace

esse cum Deus

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Re: Two cops shot

Postby HSA » August 27th, 2014, 8:19 am

Solution to Criminals who have been Convicted of murder is simple...no hangman...no lethal injection,etc.....the solution is if you are guilty of murder, burn to death...then humanitarian ppl would come out against it...i say burn them too...if you take a life you are not considered human so laws do not apply on your favour....it would only take a few to be burned, then at least ppl would think twice about killing....my2cents......

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