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foss wrote:why RIP in the heading
must he rest in piece?
zoom rader wrote:Let hope its a fake Osama...
... but Osama was ALWAYS a fake and a FRAUD! zoom rader wrote:Down with the US !...
But I thought I saw you lining up for a US Visa on Marly Street?... 
Sanctifier wrote:zoom rader wrote:Let hope its a fake Osama...zoom rader wrote:Down with the US !...
zoom rader wrote:Sanctifier wrote:zoom rader wrote:Let hope its a fake Osama...zoom rader wrote:Down with the US !...
If u read any of my post you understand that I am anti-US. and for you infor I dont need a visa to visti the US
Sanctifier wrote:^ ^ ^ That doesn't change the price of coco...you are entitled to your political beliefs.
But if you sanction mass murder for any reason... especially for religious beliefs...
Then you SHOULD migrate... to ANYWHERE ELSE! T&T will really benefit from not having to put up with an idiot.
rossi wrote:zoom rader wrote:Sanctifier wrote:zoom rader wrote:Let hope its a fake Osama...zoom rader wrote:Down with the US !...
If u read any of my post you understand that I am anti-US. and for you infor I dont need a visa to visti the US
Link ah scene for me nah.
pioneer wrote:
hahahahahaha to early for this sheit!! hahahahahaha AllTrac wrote:pioneer wrote:
ROFLLLL
AllTrac wrote:well done USA! is cause of this idiot its hard to get a visa to get into the US, cause of this idiot all indians regardless of religion are seen as terrorist and cause of this idiot i does always have to take orf meh forking shoes and belt etc about 5 forking times when entering de US
zoom rader wrote:rossi wrote:zoom rader wrote:Sanctifier wrote:zoom rader wrote:Let hope its a fake Osama...zoom rader wrote:Down with the US !...
If u read any of my post you understand that I am anti-US. and for you infor I dont need a visa to visti the US
Link ah scene for me nah.
Scene is this, I dont need a Visa to visti because I have no intention to ever visit the US. There are far better places in the world for me to visit and spend my money.
AllTrac wrote:pioneer wrote:
ROFLLLL
crazybalhead wrote:AllTrac wrote:pioneer wrote:
ROFLLLL
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Need to check if today is Friday!!!
WHOGARRRRD!!!
AllTrac wrote:well done USA! is cause of this idiot its hard to get a visa to get into the US, cause of this idiot all indians regardless of religion are seen as terrorist and cause of this idiot i does always have to take orf meh forking shoes and belt etc about 5 forking times when entering de US
doc123 wrote:crazybalhead wrote:AllTrac wrote:pioneer wrote:
ROFLLLL
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Need to check if today is Friday!!!
WHOGARRRRD!!!
Pioneer make me spill meh morning coffee yes...
RIPEBREDFRUIT wrote:AllTrac wrote:pioneer wrote:
ROFLLLL
thank you, pic was saved and emailed to the express and guardian new room with the author/endorser of the pic along with additional information.
The "Jalalabad Video" Released December 13, 2001: The first and most famous of the "Osama bin Laden confession video tapes" was released by the Pentagon on December 13, 2001. It had purportedly been made on November 9, 2001, after which it was allegedly found by US forces in a private home in Jalalabad, Afghanistan. In this video, an Osama bin Laden figure is seen talking about the 9/11 attacks with a visiting sheikh. During the course of the conversation, the bin Laden figure boasts about the success of the attacks, saying that he had planned them.23 Both US and British officials claimed that this tape left no doubt about bin Laden's guilt.24
This skepticism about the authenticity of this "Jalalabad video" was based on sound reasons. For one thing, this video's bin Laden figure appeared too heavy and healthy, compared with the bin Laden who made the last of the undoubtedly authentic bin Laden videos, which was made sometime in 2001 between November 16 (on which occurred an event mentioned on the tape) and December 27 (the date on which the tape was released). In this post-November 16 video, bin Laden's beard was white, he had a "gaunt, frail appearance," and his "left arm hung limply by his side while he gesticulated with his right."29 This immobile left arm, Dr. Sanjay Gupta observed on CNN, suggested that bin Laden had suffered a stroke, adding that this plus a "frosting of the appearance" suggested that bin Laden was in the final stages of kidney failure.30
But in the "Jalalabad video," which was reportedly made at about the same time (being dated November 9 and released December 13), the bin Laden figure was heavier and also darker, in both skin and beard color; his nose had a different shape;31 and his hands were shorter and heavier than those of Osama bin Laden as seen in undoubtedly authentic videos.32
Still another problem is that, whereas bin Laden was left-handed, the man in the "Jalalabad video" wrote with his right hand. Although it might be thought that this was because his left arm was immobile, the bin Laden figure in this video was easily able to lift his left arm above his head.33
If this video was made on November 9, as claimed, then it would have been made at most only a few weeks before the post-November 16 video. It is very hard to believe that the heavy, dark-skinned, healthy-looking man with a dark beard could have, within two or three weeks, turned into the pale, gaunt, white-bearded, man seen in the post-November 16 video.
If one accepts the Jalalabad video as authentic, one not only has to accept these radical changes in bin Laden's physical appearance; one must also accept a complete change in his statements about 9/11. In the previous weeks, he had repeatedly - on September 12, 16, 17, and 28 - stated that he had had nothing to do with the attacks.34 In the September 28 statement, he had even declared:
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. . . . [W]e are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.35
The "October Surprise Video of 2004: The other most famous of the "bin Laden confession tapes" is the video tape that was released on October 29, 2004, just before the presidential election between George W. Bush and John Kerry, leading to its being called "the October Surprise video." In this one, for the first time, a bin Laden figure directly addressed the American people. The Associated Press, focusing on the most important aspect of the speaker's message, entitled its story: "Bin Laden, in Statement to U.S. People, Says He Ordered Sept. 11 Attacks."41 However, although the AP accepted the authenticity of the tape, there are serious reasons to doubt it.
A reason to be at least suspicious is the very fact that it appeared just four days before the presidential election and seemed designed to help Bush's reelection - an assessment that was made even by CIA analysts.42 The video, moreover, evidently did help: Bush's lead over Kerry in national polls increased right after it appeared,43 and both Bush and Kerry said that this tape was significantly responsible for Bush's victory.44 Given the fact that this video would quite predictably help Bush win reelection, it would seem to have been issued by his friends, not his enemies.
There are also substantive reasons to doubt this tape's authenticity, one of which is the speaker's language. The clearly authentic bin Laden messages were filled with religious language. A bin Laden video released October 7, 2001, for example, began thus:
Praise be to God and we beseech Him for help and forgiveness. We seek refuge with the Lord of our bad and evildoing. He whom God guides is rightly guided . . . . I witness that there is no God but God and Mohammed is His slave and Prophet.45
Even though this talk as a whole had only 725 words, bin Laden referred to God (Allah) 20 times and to the prophet Mohammed 3 times. Likewise, his message of November 3, 2001, which contained 2,333 words, referred to God 35 times and to the prophet Mohammed 8 times.46 By contrast, the 2004 October Surprise video, which had almost the same number of words as the November 3 video, referred to God only 12 times. The only "Mohammad" mentioned, moreover, was Mohamed Atta.
Another substantive difference involved the type of causal analysis provided. Bin Laden's clearly authentic messages had portrayed historical events as occurring only because they were caused, or at least allowed, by God. In his message of October 7, 2001, for example, he said: "God Almighty hit the United States. . . . He destroyed its greatest buildings." Human agents were involved, to be sure, but they were successful only because "Almighty God . . . allowed them to destroy the United States."47 In his message of November 3, likewise, bin Laden said that, if people are helped or harmed, it is always by "something that God has already preordained for [them]."48
The message on the 2004 confession video, however, reflected a worldview in which events can be understood through a causal analysis based on secular rationalism. "One of the most important things rational people do when calamities occur," the lecturer asserted, "is to look for their causes so as to avoid them." He himself, in analyzing "the [Iraq] war, its causes and consequences," provided a causal analysis involving purely human actors: Bush, al-Qaeda, and the American people. Far from suggesting that everything is finally in the hands of God, he said to the American people: "Your security is in your own hands" - a statement that a devout Wahabi Muslim such as Osama bin Laden would surely have considered blasphemous.
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