The Religion Discussion

[Kasey]

1 how can a religion be called " good " or "right" or the one eg baptist or obeah or hindu, if one can go to the reliogious leader to kill somebody, make them sick, their daughter go mad etc using " spirits" " kali puja blood sacrifice" to get them to marry you, die so you can get the land, or make them widow widower to marry them ......
Where did you hear this load of crap? This is not possible. The so called religious leaders who do bad are not religious leaders.......
how can a " good" religion do " bad"?it cannot, it does not. People do bad under the guise of religion
i want some ideas and answers please. i not looking for oh muslim do they jihad,,or oh christians and roman catholic with crusade in dark ages.. serious profound answers.. if you can actually justify that..

i cant see somebody jumping up praying kneeling down in their temple mandir mosque church whatever.. and afterwards giving their leader money gifts whatever to do their neighbour spiritual wickedness and want to tell me that their " religion" is the way and right and "good" and come serve allah or krishna or mojo jojo or whoever..

Dont blame the religion dingbat, blame the people who contort it to their own personal desires.

[mamoo_pagal]

1 as far as i understand.... you are supposed to sacrifice the fruit of your labour and desire of your heart... back in the days in the times of bartering your assets were your bull goats calf sheep corn food etc and these were given up... nowadays your asset is money hence offerings are given up.. be real everybody wants money now. whether you want a porsche ferrari boat mclaren f1 mansion, it all comes through money.. so sacrifice nowadays are different and those people who want to slaughter bulls and chicken and goats are a bit misguided.. thats my opinion eh. i do no believe god wants blood sacrifices any more... jesus came and shed his blood for us already... why kill a cow or bull or chicken now? isnt that spinning top in mud and pointless?

2 i think people are missing the point of free will...man is made in god image and likeness.. we were made to have dominion over the earth and rule .. man has power from god... and for your lifetime here you have dozens sometimes hundreds of chances to do good , do right.. and finally be judged according to your actions...so every second every hour your life and destiny and change. someone can be living the wrong life and read this post and give their life and be saved this very minute..even mg man for example.. so your life is like a book with hundreds of endings.. some good some bad..you choose how to live it..

3 i have a religious question and hope i can get some answers and opinions... i am not biased but trying to be open minded.. i grew up in roman catholic religion all my life and have recently had many revelations personally about religion. i have therefore stepped out of the catholic religion in order to get closer to jesus as there are things that i have questioned and wondered about..anyway let me continue with the questions..

how can a religion be called " good " or "right" or the one eg baptist or obeah or hindu, if one can go to the reliogious leader to kill somebody, make them sick, their daughter go mad etc using " spirits" " kali puja blood sacrifice" to get them to marry you, die so you can get the land, or make them widow widower to marry them ......

a clear example of religious ignorance, come out of your small church and learn about other belief systems before you make these assumptions. MegaDoc posted something earlier that all should understand.

how can a " good" religion do " bad"?
i want some ideas and answers please. i not looking for oh muslim do they jihad,,or oh christians and roman catholic with crusade in dark ages.. serious profound answers.. if you can actually justify that..you just answered your own question right here
there is nothing to justify as your questions are based on ignorance, have you ever read the philosophy of different religions or do you listen to "hearsay" and take it as gospel?

i cant see somebody jumping up praying kneeling down in their temple mandir mosque church whatever.. and afterwards giving their leader money gifts whatever to do their neighbour spiritual wickedness and want to tell me that their " religion" is the way and right and "good" and come serve allah or krishna or mojo jojo or jesus orwhoever..

cause ppl choose to do questionable things under the name of religion I guess it make the religion wrong?

[MG Man]

re that kali puja thing, that has nothing to do with hinduism, the same way you may think certain catholic things may not necessarily be christian....
Hindu philosophy is remarkably simple. However in indian culture, the religion is so deeply intertwined with tradition and culture, that the lines are often blurred, and one misrepresents the other.
I paraphrased a passage from the Gita a few pages back, where got states simply: follow whatever religion you desire, and do so with a good and pure heart...do that, and I will strengthen your faith in that path...........pretty open minded when compared to christianity and islam, where if you stray, you go to hell...

[nismotrinidappa]

doesnt the hindu religion have a kali god? you know what a kali puja is? someone please explain what a kali puja is.

you know they have obeah men and women out there? many people dealing in witchcraft and things not of god? maybe even your neighbour on the corner?

kasey you need to know what going on and open your eyes with those "religious leaders" in your own neighbourhood self!! all the rituals and blood sacrifices going on at rivers and creeks etc
thats what the thread is also for... information!!

im not blaming the religion.. some things are part of the religion and if it dont make sense it dont make sense

kasey is either you dont know( which i doubt) or you in denial or dont believe( i think more plausible)

the truth is there is a earthly realm and a spiritual realm and they are intertwined... and you are sadly at a disadvantage if you are in blissful ignorance of this..

what religion do you follow? do you believe in jesus christ as the son of god?

[MG Man]

if you tried to understand what I wrote, you'd realize what you ask is irrelevant
You cannot pray to god to do harm unto others.....
You sound like you are trying to get someone to admit there are evil elements to hinduism, rather than get a clear understanding of the religion itself.
If you want to find out about evil, ask your omnipotent god, who created an evil angel who led a failed revolt, and now plays chess with your god............now that's messed up
Your god KNOWINGLY created your devil / satan / beelzeebub or whatever you wanna call him........what the frick was he thinking?
You clearly struggle to grasp your own religion, but you are seeking clarification of the evils of other religions..........you sir, need help

[mamoo_pagal]

doesnt the hindu religion have a kali god? you know what a kali puja is? someone please explain what a kali puja is.

you know they have obeah men and women out there? many people dealing in witchcraft and things not of god? maybe even your neighbour on the corner?

kasey you need to know what going on and open your eyes with those "religious leaders" in your own neighbourhood self!! all the rituals and blood sacrifices going on at rivers and creeks etc
thats what the thread is also for... information!!

im not blaming the religion.. some things are part of the religion and if it dont make sense it dont make sense

kasey is either you dont know( which i doubt) or you in denial or dont believe( i think more plausible)

the truth is there is a earthly realm and a spiritual realm and they are intertwined... and you are sadly at a disadvantage if you are in blissful ignorance of this..

what religion do you follow? do you believe in jesus christ as the son of god?

do you know that the same practices that you talk about are done by different cultures all over the world under different "gods". Again have you ever studied those religious beliefs or are you going on "what I see with meh own eye" and "wat I hear". I am sure you have never read hindu or islamic philosophy before you make these assertions.........what is obhea, blackmagic?

[MG Man]

doesnt the hindu religion have a kali god? you know what a kali puja is? someone please explain what a kali puja is.

you know they have obeah men and women out there? many people dealing in witchcraft and things not of god? maybe even your neighbour on the corner?
sorry son, but your god created everything......deal with it

kasey you need to know what going on and open your eyes with those "religious leaders" in your own neighbourhood self!! all the rituals and blood sacrifices going on at rivers and creeks etc you need to review your old testament...your god demanded blood sacrifice, laid rules as to where blood should be spilt, at which altar, not to mention incinerated people for accidentally entering his temple because they had a few drinks in their head...pretty nice fella, isn't he...your god pioneered blood sacrifice, genocide and he created all that is evil and occult
thats what the thread is also for... information!!

im not blaming the religion.. some things are part of the religion and if it dont make sense it dont make sense

kasey is either you dont know( which i doubt) or you in denial or dont believe( i think more plausible)

the truth is there is a earthly realm and a spiritual realm and they are intertwined does your religious belief support this view? If so, please state where... and you are sadly at a disadvantage if you are in blissful ignorance of this..

what religion do you follow? do you believe in jesus christ as the son of god?

[Kasey]

LOL at the chain up this guy took............ Seems like a youth. Lay we go easy.

nismotrinidappa, start by READING Mamoo and MG's responses, try to UNDERSTAND them, AND THEN post a well though-out reply..............

[Dizzy28]

doesnt the hindu religion have a kali god? you know what a kali puja is? someone please explain what a kali puja is.

you know they have obeah men and women out there? many people dealing in witchcraft and things not of god? maybe even your neighbour on the corner?

kasey you need to know what going on and open your eyes with those "religious leaders" in your own neighbourhood self!! all the rituals and blood sacrifices going on at rivers and creeks etc
thats what the thread is also for... information!!

im not blaming the religion.. some things are part of the religion and if it dont make sense it dont make sense

kasey is either you dont know( which i doubt) or you in denial or dont believe( i think more plausible)

the truth is there is a earthly realm and a spiritual realm and they are intertwined... and you are sadly at a disadvantage if you are in blissful ignorance of this..

what religion do you follow? do you believe in jesus christ as the son of god?

In Hinduism there is one God (Bhagavan). Kali is one of the representations for a certain characteristic in this case Time and Change. Similarly one may have heard of Brahma (Creator), Vishnu (Preserver) and Shiva (Destroyer).

Men dealing in "witchcraft" are merely ppl seeking to prey on others ppl's weakness for profit or otherwise. Kinda like organized religion in general.

[scotty_buttons]

Not taking sides or anything but what I think Nismotrindappa trying to say is that.. Since Kali is a representation of God.. Regardless of what evil people do under the name of religion.. They still go to Kali to perform evil tasks? Isn't that a bit strange? Or am I wrong in thinking it isn't Kali.. It's actually something else and by extension Hinduism gets blamed?
Secondly. MG man is a Hindu orr? The posts that I read so far are those of you defending Hinduism
You just don't seem as a religious type.

[MG Man]

as I said on many occasions, I was raised by hindu and muslim parents, and got involved in both religions. My wife is christian. I have read the bible and the koran, and various books on hinduism. I am an atheist. However, I respect the hindu philosophy which gives everyone the freedom to choose their own path. It respects other religions, and other peoples beliefs. Your religion certainly does not offer such open-minded accomodation (christian, as inferred from your sig) However this accommodating philosophy makes hinduism an easy target for religious fanatics, especially when hindus simply cannot separate tradition and culture from religious doctrine. I do tend to defend hinduism, simply from that standpoint. All to often, muslims and christians poke holes at hinduism and its many ill-informed followers, in an attempt to prove their religion 'right'. That mentality irritates me. If you have faith in what you believe, then it should stand on its own. Ever notice you always hear about christian fundamentalists and muslim fundamentalists? You will never hear about hindu fundamentalists, simply because that would be a contradiction of terms.
If that kali thing was actually real or effective, I think people would be running rampant and doing it to get what they want, no? In any event, any evil that is springing forth form evil hindu rituals all originated form your christian god...think about it..........

[scotty_buttons]

Mom was Muslim as well and female counterpart for more than 5years is Hindu. And I fully respect Hinduism for their openness as well. Yes I'm Christian but I do question a lot of things about it.
I'd like to think I'm more open minded than most Christians.
So any evil therein sprouts from our God you say? I assume as a result of Lucifer right? Well that's technically true, if you're assuming the right religion is Christianity.. Which also says that despite whatever representations of God you may have.. Once you put your focus on anything else than God himself, is an idol.
I personally don't believe all religions leads to one god. They're toooo many differences and contradictions. So my reason for asking that Kali thing was.. Why would a representation of God be a part of evil? If God himself stands for all that is good, then clearly that Kali cant be of God. Or according to you, technically from God.
I don't know why He'd create Satan knowing the outcome but I'd like to think it was necessary. Something to do with showing us that He's more powerful than Satan, naturally, and thereby draw men (out of free will) toward him instead of Satan? Or to show that good conquers evil (evil/Satan as a former angel, something God created, cannot be compared to Him)
That's my logic behind that. I'm not sure too but angels perhaps had their own free will and could have acted upon it.
So you saying evil comes from our god is like saying your child who lets assume is a rapist (God forbid). Since he came from you, that means you have to have some raper man tendencies.

And why would this Kali business be running rampant? People fear evil. Even those that don't believe in it. Only the select few who brave or want vengeance enough would venture down that road.

[Dizzy28]

Mom was Muslim as well and female counterpart for more than 5years is Hindu. And I fully respect Hinduism for their openness as well. Yes I'm Christian but I do question a lot of things about it.
I'd like to think I'm more open minded than most Christians.
So any evil therein sprouts from our God you say? I assume as a result of Lucifer right? Well that's technically true, if you're assuming the right religion is Christianity.. Which also says that despite whatever representations of God you may have.. Once you put your focus on anything else than God himself, is an idol.
I personally don't believe all religions leads to one god. They're toooo many differences and contradictions. So my reason for asking that Kali thing was.. Why would a representation of God be a part of evil? If God himself stands for all that is good, then clearly that Kali cant be of God. Or according to you, technically from God.
I don't know why He'd create Satan knowing the outcome but I'd like to think it was necessary. Something to do with showing us that He's more powerful than Satan, naturally, and thereby draw men (out of free will) toward him instead of Satan? Or to show that good conquers evil (evil/Satan as a former angel, something God created, cannot be compared to Him)
That's my logic behind that. I'm not sure too but angels perhaps had their own free will and could have acted upon it.
So you saying evil comes from our god is like saying your child who lets assume is a rapist (God forbid). Since he came from you, that means you have to have some raper man tendencies.

And why would this Kali business be running rampant? People fear evil. Even those that don't believe in it. Only the select few who brave or want vengeance enough would venture down that road.

Kali does not represent evil.

[MG Man]

Mom was Muslim as well and female counterpart for more than 5years is Hindu. And I fully respect Hinduism for their openness as well. Yes I'm Christian but I do question a lot of things about it.
I'd like to think I'm more open minded than most Christians.
So any evil therein sprouts from our God you say? I assume as a result of Lucifer right? Well that's technically true, if you're assuming the right religion is Christianity.. Which also says that despite whatever representations of God you may have.. Once you put your focus on anything else than God himself, is an idol. interesting...how then do you reconcile depictions of the crucifixion in churches, statues of mother mary etc? Furthermore, why do you hold so much focus on jesus, rather than god himself? Your own argument is cintradicting your own beliefs
I personally don't believe all religions leads to one god. They're toooo many differences and contradictions. Contradictions you say! Your bible alone contradicts itself. Heck, the old and new testaments are so vastly different in ideologies that your god is more than likely Schizophrenic. So my reason for asking that Kali thing was.. Why would a representation of God be a part of evil? If God himself stands for all that is good, then clearly that Kali cant be of God. Or according to you, technically from God. What makes you think that the Kali incarnation of god is evil? because someone told you that? Why do you believe it? You have formed a conclusion without any information. You have just told me my blow-off valve is defective, without even knowing if my car is boosted or not!
I don't know why He'd create Satan knowing the outcome but I'd like to think it was necessary. Something to do with showing us that He's more powerful than Satan, naturally, and thereby draw men (out of free will) toward him instead of Satan? Or to show that good conquers evil (evil/Satan as a former angel, something God created, cannot be compared to Him) now you speculating about your own religion, and using that ill conceived speculation to question another person's belief! God created satan to show us he is more powerful than satan? Buddy, go read your bible. If you gonna be misguided by poppycock, at least do it righrt
That's my logic behind that. That's not logic I'm not sure too but angels perhaps had their own free will and could have acted upon it.
So you saying evil comes from our god is like saying your child who lets assume is a rapist (God forbid). Since he came from you, that means you have to have some raper man tendencies. Comprehension isn't your forte is it. Read it again sam

And why would this Kali business be running rampant? People fear evil. Even those that don't believe in it. Only the select few who brave or want vengeance enough would venture down that road.There are far more bad boys with guns who fear no man, no god or even death...your numbers are wrong. But that reasoning suits you better simply because you want to believe this kali-evil nonsense, rather than the simple truth is there is nothing to substantiate it, other than hearsay

before trying to understand this kali thing, you really need to try and understand your own religion first. You asking me why my fuel injected engine running rich but you still haven't grasped the concept of a venturi on your carb :p

[nareshseep]

[scotty_buttons]

Mom was Muslim as well and female counterpart for more than 5years is Hindu. And I fully respect Hinduism for their openness as well. Yes I'm Christian but I do question a lot of things about it.
I'd like to think I'm more open minded than most Christians.
So any evil therein sprouts from our God you say? I assume as a result of Lucifer right? Well that's technically true, if you're assuming the right religion is Christianity.. Which also says that despite whatever representations of God you may have.. Once you put your focus on anything else than God himself, is an idol. interesting...how then do you reconcile depictions of the crucifixion in churches, statues of mother mary etc? Furthermore, why do you hold so much focus on jesus, rather than god himself? Your own argument is cintradicting your own beliefs
I personally don't believe all religions leads to one god. They're toooo many differences and contradictions. Contradictions you say! Your bible alone contradicts itself. Heck, the old and new testaments are so vastly different in ideologies that your god is more than likely Schizophrenic. So my reason for asking that Kali thing was.. Why would a representation of God be a part of evil? If God himself stands for all that is good, then clearly that Kali cant be of God. Or according to you, technically from God. What makes you think that the Kali incarnation of god is evil? because someone told you that? Why do you believe it? You have formed a conclusion without any information. You have just told me my blow-off valve is defective, without even knowing if my car is boosted or not!
I don't know why He'd create Satan knowing the outcome but I'd like to think it was necessary. Something to do with showing us that He's more powerful than Satan, naturally, and thereby draw men (out of free will) toward him instead of Satan? Or to show that good conquers evil (evil/Satan as a former angel, something God created, cannot be compared to Him) now you speculating about your own religion, and using that ill conceived speculation to question another person's belief! God created satan to show us he is more powerful than satan? Buddy, go read your bible. If you gonna be misguided by poppycock, at least do it righrt
That's my logic behind that. That's not logic I'm not sure too but angels perhaps had their own free will and could have acted upon it.
So you saying evil comes from our god is like saying your child who lets assume is a rapist (God forbid). Since he came from you, that means you have to have some raper man tendencies. Comprehension isn't your forte is it. Read it again sam

And why would this Kali business be running rampant? People fear evil. Even those that don't believe in it. Only the select few who brave or want vengeance enough would venture down that road.There are far more bad boys with guns who fear no man, no god or even death...your numbers are wrong. But that reasoning suits you better simply because you want to believe this kali-evil nonsense, rather than the simple truth is there is nothing to substantiate it, other than hearsay

before trying to understand this kali thing, you really need to try and understand your own religion first. You asking me why my fuel injected engine running rich but you still haven't grasped the concept of a venturi on your carb :p

1. I don't believe those crucifixion and statues of Mary supposed to be there. I just believe, as you already know, Jesus is the son of God..

2. I never excluded Christianity when i made the statement 'all religions cannot lead to the same god' did I? Remember, I myself question Christianity. I don't believe in religion. More in God and a relationship with Him.

3. It isnt me alone who have this supposingly false preconception bout Kali.. Hindus themselves. So let's say Kali is good. I know what Kali supposed to be but why everything Kali related deemed as evil by most of the general public?

4. What's wrong with my logic? Seems pretty straightforward. I didnt claim it's from the bible though. Christians believe God is sovereign.. and basically He know what He doing.. we doh understand why He does things the way He does it.. yes, it's blind faith; but it works!

5. How can you not understand my comparison. You said 'any evil that is springing forth form evil hindu rituals all originated form your christian god.' yes it came from our christian God but it was through satan; who did his own thing. it isnt accountable to our God.
hence my rapist analogy. And yeah, I know u gonna bring back why God made him in the first place if He knew that was gonna happen but refer to point no. 3

I admit, I'm not anywhere near a theologist but so far my logic seems sound. you, my friend, surprisingly need to open up your mind a little.

[scotty_buttons]

btw. 12000th post ftw

[mamoo_pagal]

Mom was Muslim as well and female counterpart for more than 5years is Hindu. And I fully respect Hinduism for their openness as well. Yes I'm Christian but I do question a lot of things about it.
I'd like to think I'm more open minded than most Christians.
So any evil therein sprouts from our God you say? I assume as a result of Lucifer right? Well that's technically true, if you're assuming the right religion is Christianity.. Which also says that despite whatever representations of God you may have.. Once you put your focus on anything else than God himself, is an idol. interesting...how then do you reconcile depictions of the crucifixion in churches, statues of mother mary etc? Furthermore, why do you hold so much focus on jesus, rather than god himself? Your own argument is cintradicting your own beliefs
I personally don't believe all religions leads to one god. They're toooo many differences and contradictions. Contradictions you say! Your bible alone contradicts itself. Heck, the old and new testaments are so vastly different in ideologies that your god is more than likely Schizophrenic. So my reason for asking that Kali thing was.. Why would a representation of God be a part of evil? If God himself stands for all that is good, then clearly that Kali cant be of God. Or according to you, technically from God. What makes you think that the Kali incarnation of god is evil? because someone told you that? Why do you believe it? You have formed a conclusion without any information. You have just told me my blow-off valve is defective, without even knowing if my car is boosted or not!
I don't know why He'd create Satan knowing the outcome but I'd like to think it was necessary. Something to do with showing us that He's more powerful than Satan, naturally, and thereby draw men (out of free will) toward him instead of Satan? Or to show that good conquers evil (evil/Satan as a former angel, something God created, cannot be compared to Him) now you speculating about your own religion, and using that ill conceived speculation to question another person's belief! God created satan to show us he is more powerful than satan? Buddy, go read your bible. If you gonna be misguided by poppycock, at least do it righrt
That's my logic behind that. That's not logic I'm not sure too but angels perhaps had their own free will and could have acted upon it.
So you saying evil comes from our god is like saying your child who lets assume is a rapist (God forbid). Since he came from you, that means you have to have some raper man tendencies. Comprehension isn't your forte is it. Read it again sam

And why would this Kali business be running rampant? People fear evil. Even those that don't believe in it. Only the select few who brave or want vengeance enough would venture down that road.There are far more bad boys with guns who fear no man, no god or even death...your numbers are wrong. But that reasoning suits you better simply because you want to believe this kali-evil nonsense, rather than the simple truth is there is nothing to substantiate it, other than hearsay

before trying to understand this kali thing, you really need to try and understand your own religion first. You asking me why my fuel injected engine running rich but you still haven't grasped the concept of a venturi on your carb :p

1. I don't believe those crucifixion and statues of Mary supposed to be there. I just believe, as you already know, Jesus is the son of God..

2. I never excluded Christianity when i made the statement 'all religions cannot lead to the same god' did I? Remember, I myself question Christianity. I don't believe in religion. More in God and a relationship with Him.

3. It isnt me alone who have this supposingly false preconception bout Kali.. Hindus themselves. So let's say Kali is good. I know what Kali supposed to be but why everything Kali related deemed as evil by most of the general public?

Ever herd of misinformation and rumors? How much of the general public actually takes the time to understand anything out of their own bubble, according to many posters before in this thread, because there is the loudest noise behind a poster doesn't make it right

4. What's wrong with my logic? Seems pretty straightforward. I didnt claim it's from the bible though. Christians believe God is sovereign.. and basically He know what He doing.. we doh understand why He does things the way He does it.. yes, it's blind faith; but it works!

5. How can you not understand my comparison. You said 'any evil that is springing forth form evil hindu rituals all originated form your christian god.' yes it came from our christian God but it was through satan; who did his own thing. it isnt accountable to our God.
hence my rapist analogy. And yeah, I know u gonna bring back why God made him in the first place if He knew that was gonna happen but refer to point no. 3

I admit, I'm not anywhere near a theologist but so far my logic seems sound. you, my friend, surprisingly need to open up your mind a little.

oh that was not logic

[MG Man]

1. I don't believe those crucifixion and statues of Mary supposed to be there. I just believe, as you already know, Jesus is the son of God.. you stated earlier that anything other than believing in god is tantamount to idol worship...yet you focus on the middleman

2. I never excluded Christianity when i made the statement 'all religions cannot lead to the same god' did I? Remember, I myself question Christianity. I don't believe in religion. More in God and a relationship with Him.
How can you say you don't believe in religion when you put your faith in a christian god?

3. It isnt me alone who have this supposingly false preconception bout Kali.. Hindus themselves. So let's say Kali is good. I know what Kali supposed to be but why everything Kali related deemed as evil by most of the general public? So the general public can't be misinformed? Most hindus have very little accurate knowledge of their own religion. Does that mean their misguided views are an indictment on the religion itself?

4. What's wrong with my logic? Seems pretty straightforward. I didnt claim it's from the bible though. Christians believe God is sovereign.. and basically He know what He doing.. we doh understand why He does things the way He does it.. yes, it's blind faith; but it works! So does blind faith in other religions, no?

5. How can you not understand my comparison. You said 'any evil that is springing forth form evil hindu rituals all originated form your christian god.' yes it came from our christian God but it was through satan; who did his own thing. it isnt accountable to our God.
hence my rapist analogy. And yeah, I know u gonna bring back why God made him in the first place if He knew that was gonna happen but refer to point no. 3
Comparing creation via a god and the child of a human is a horrible way to justify your argument. Behavioral patterns and traits would be genetic, not deliberate. Secondly, you have to factor in environmental stimuli etc. You cannot compare that to building a model from scratch, when you set the parameters, and know the outcomes. Your analogy is flawed, just like your logic

I admit, I'm not anywhere near a theologist but so far my logic seems sound. you, my friend, surprisingly need to open up your mind a little.

pleas explain to me where I demonstrated closed-mindedness?

[RBphoto]

bull goats

Yes, you said that.

[scotty_buttons]

1. I don't believe those crucifixion and statues of Mary supposed to be there. I just believe, as you already know, Jesus is the son of God.. you stated earlier that anything other than believing in god is tantamount to idol worship...yet you focus on the middleman

2. I never excluded Christianity when i made the statement 'all religions cannot lead to the same god' did I? Remember, I myself question Christianity. I don't believe in religion. More in God and a relationship with Him.
How can you say you don't believe in religion when you put your faith in a christian god?

3. It isnt me alone who have this supposingly false preconception bout Kali.. Hindus themselves. So let's say Kali is good. I know what Kali supposed to be but why everything Kali related deemed as evil by most of the general public? So the general public can't be misinformed? Most hindus have very little accurate knowledge of their own religion. Does that mean their misguided views are an indictment on the religion itself?

4. What's wrong with my logic? Seems pretty straightforward. I didnt claim it's from the bible though. Christians believe God is sovereign.. and basically He know what He doing.. we doh understand why He does things the way He does it.. yes, it's blind faith; but it works! So does blind faith in other religions, no?

5. How can you not understand my comparison. You said 'any evil that is springing forth form evil hindu rituals all originated form your christian god.' yes it came from our christian God but it was through satan; who did his own thing. it isnt accountable to our God.
hence my rapist analogy. And yeah, I know u gonna bring back why God made him in the first place if He knew that was gonna happen but refer to point no. 3
Comparing creation via a god and the child of a human is a horrible way to justify your argument. Behavioral patterns and traits would be genetic, not deliberate. Secondly, you have to factor in environmental stimuli etc. You cannot compare that to building a model from scratch, when you set the parameters, and know the outcomes. Your analogy is flawed, just like your logic

I admit, I'm not anywhere near a theologist but so far my logic seems sound. you, my friend, surprisingly need to open up your mind a little.

pleas explain to me where I demonstrated closed-mindedness?

Seriously? I didnt intend to get that detailed into the comparison I made; but yes, with that explanation, my logic is flawed.

Isn't religion a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices? Perhaps it would be more correct to say I don't fully follow the Christianity religion.

[DFC]

Although i'm not Hindu, i have alot of Hindu Exposure, and i'm quite knowledgeable of Hindu Gods and Goddesses.

Firstly, There are 33 million gods/deity in Hinduism.

Each god /deity, is a function of Absolute Brahman.

According to Wikipedia " Brahman (ब्रह्मन् brahman) is the one supreme, universal Spirit that is the origin and support of the phenomenal universe.
Brahman is sometimes referred to as the Absolute or Godhead which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything in and beyond this universe. Brahman is conceived as personal ("with qualities"), impersonal ("without qualities") and/or supreme depending on the philosophical school.

The sages of the Upanishads teach that Brahman is the ultimate essence of material phenomena (including the original identity of the human self) that cannot be seen or heard but whose nature can be known through the development of self-knowledge (atma jnana).According to Advaita, a liberated human being (jivanmukta) has realised Brahman as his or her own true self ."


Brahman transcends all empirically discernable categories, limitations and dualities.



Goddess Kali, is a Function/representation of one aspect of Brahman.

Taken from Wikipedia -"Kālī (Sanskrit: काली, , also known as Kālikā (Sanskrit: कालिका), is the Hindu goddess associated with empowerment, shakti. The name Kali comes from kāla, which means black, time, death, lord of death, Shiva. Since Shiva is called Kāla—the eternal time—Kālī, his consort, also means "Time" or "Death" (as in time has come). Hence, Kāli is the Goddess of Time and Change. Although sometimes presented as dark and violent, her earliest incarnation as a figure of annihilator of evil forces still has some influence.

She is a benevolent Mother Goddess.

The figure of Kāli conveys death, destruction, and the consuming aspects of reality. As such, she is also a "forbidden thing", or even death itself.

The depiction of Kali is Highly Symbolical. Lord Shiva beneath her feet represents matter as Kali is undoubtedly, the primeval energy. The depiction of Kali on Shiva shows that without energy, matter lies "dead".

Kali's fierce form is strewed with awesome symbols. Her black complexion symbolizes her all-embracing and transcendental nature. Says the Mahanirvana Tantra: "Just as all colors disappear in black, so all names and forms disappear in her". Her nudity is primeval, fundamental, and transparent like Nature — the earth, sea, and sky. Kali is free from the illusory covering, for she is beyond the all maya or "false consciousness." Kali's garland of fifty human heads that stands for the fifty letters in the Sanskrit alphabet, symbolizes infinite knowledge.

Her girdle of severed human hands signifies work and liberation from the cycle of karma. Her white teeth show her inner purity, and her red lolling tongue indicates her omnivorous nature — "her indiscriminate enjoyment of all the world's 'flavors'." Her sword is the destroyer of false consciousness and the eight bonds that bind us.

Her three eyes represent past, present, and future, — the three modes of time — an attribute that lies in the very name Kali ('Kala' in Sanskrit means time). The eminent translator of Tantrik texts, Sir John Woodroffe in Garland of Letters, writes, "Kali is so called because She devours Kala (Time) and then resumes Her own dark formlessness."





So before you jump to conclusions, educate yourself.
Google is there, go read !

[MG Man]

pretty awesome..........would mos def kick jesus ass

[scotty_buttons]

Yes I know what she stands for in Hinduism, DFC.
and mamoo, I can assure you they aren't always rumours.. but most of you fellas don't believe in anything supernatural I'm guessing so going down that road would be pointless..

But thanks for the info everyone.

[DFC]

Yes I know what she stands for in Hinduism, DFC.
and mamoo, I can assure you they aren't always rumours.. but most of you fellas don't believe in anything supernatural I'm guessing so going down that road would be pointless..

But thanks for the info everyone.

Whats messed up about the supernatural world is that, there never seems to any tangible evidence of it, ever.

We live in such a technologically advanced age, with wifi and skype, video-calls and god only appearing in toasted bread or pieces of cloth, what nonsense.

[mamoo_pagal]

Yes I know what she stands for in Hinduism, DFC.
and mamoo, I can assure you they aren't always rumours.. but most of you fellas don't believe in anything supernatural I'm guessing so going down that road would be pointless..

But thanks for the info everyone.

LOL slow down partner, I think you meant to say most don't believe in superstition not supernatural. I have no doubt the practices you speak about is done in Trinidad but associating it with one particular group or sect is incorrect. What you speak about I researched many years ago and this is done by many cultures around the world. In trinidad it is often associated with Hindu or Baptiste (can't remember which sect) cause ppl heard/see it practiced there. Where it originated well it's hard to pin point. If you know what the goddess stands for, the people who do those thing in the name of that diety are they just? It is the same way during the witch burning season it was done in the name of Christ, which is absolute rubbish. Now all those rituals they did (for evil) did they have the intended outcome? or was it just hullabullu?

[DFC]

Your Handy Obeah Guide- Kevin Baldeosingh.

10 May 2001,

Obeah is a form of black magic or, as Afrocentrists prefer to say, Black magic. An obeah man or woman is generally approached by people who want to get money, improve their sex lives, or put a curse on someone. Some obeahmen offer a three-in-one special, which often results in marriage.

Curses are the most frequent service obeahmen are asked to provide. Clients may want their enemy to get perpetual diarrhea, be horribly maimed in a car accident, or talk like Mervyn Assam.
The procedure is as follows. First locate an obeah man or woman. Not all obeah practitioners live in old wooden houses in the forest, but most have an office there. When you tell the obeah man what you want, he will tell you his fee and whether he accepts Mastercard. Some obeah people will ask you to supply materials for the curse, such as a black (or Black) chicken, bottles (Vat19, Carib or a good Charbonnet) and a copy of Frank Sinatra's Greatest Hits.
The obeah man gives no guarantee about when the curse will take effect, only that it will. This is why, if you intend to go to an obeah man, a death curse is your best bet.

Love potions are also a major item supplied by obeah practitioners. If you are a man who wishes a woman to fall in love with you, the following spell has proven quite effective: obtain five (5) hairs from the woman's head, one (1) intimate piece of apparel; and one (1) woogy. Put them in a bag, drive up to her house in a BMW, and give her gold bracelets (2), a pearl necklace (1), and a 1(1)-carat diamond ring. This spell has rarely been known to fail.

Healing is another service which obeahmen are often called upon to do. In the Phillippines, people often go to "psychic surgeons", who can remove tumours without using scalpels. Even more miraculously, the tumours always transform to chicken fat or pig livers when extracted.

More popular is healing through manipulating the body's unseen energy field. Scientists have tested both healers and patients for signs of this field and have found no evidence of it. This, of course, demonstrates how ignorant scientists really are.
Most popular of all is "faith healing". Christian cancer patients often try to cure themselves by prayer instead of surgery. The fact that nearly all have died forces us to the logical conclusion that cancer is an engraved invitation from God or that the dead Christians lacked true faith.

Zombies are human beings who have been raised from the dead. They make good servants, requiring neither food nor sleep nor pay, though it can be somewhat embarrassing if their nose falls off while serving the soup. It is for this reason that most employers in Trinidad and Tobago prefer to use live people, although they usually pay them just enough to keep body and soul together, which makes the body really pissed.

Many people do not believe in zombies. However, you may have met a zombie without even realizing it: they have a glassy stare, pained expressions, and frequently drop dead while you are speaking to them. On the other hand, the possibility that you are a terrible bore should not be discounted.
Seances are used to contact the dead, who hardly ever leave a forwarding address. The person who conducts the seance is called a "medium". This is because a well-done seance is quite rare.

A seance usually requires at least four persons, who sit in a circle holding hands but do not sing "Kumbayah". Only one spirit should be called at a time, since calling several ties up the psychic hotline. The room should be lit by candles, which create the proper mood and help conceal any wires or tape recorders the medium may be using to assist her in this difficult task.
As the medium goes into her trance, a breeze may begin to blow, especially if she has had beans for dinner. The table often rises. Spirits seem to enjoy lifting tables, which suggests that the next world offers little in the way of entertainment.

When the spirit does come, he or she usually chooses to speak through the medium. Spirits always speak in a deep voice, not unlike James Earl Jones's. "Luke," she will say, "I am your father, Luke."

The spirit will prove its bona fides by telling whoever called it things only the dearly departed could have known, like whether he really liked that yellow shirt you gave him in '82. This proves beyond all shadow of a doubt that a spirit world not only exists, but dead people have no fashion sense.

Copyright ©2001 Kevin Baldeosingh

[megadoc1]

ched took another turn, oh boy!

[MG Man]

see how nice things run without de extremist?

[megadoc1]

fuh real...wait