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MG Man wrote:nah I like it better this way..........not sure if adamb know how to handle a scattershot :p
Red Fraction wrote:I have 3 relevant questions to whom so ever it may concern,
1. Why do we go to confession to ask father for forgiveness?
2. Why do we go to church on Sunday "for the critical drones" the 1st and not the 7th day?
3. Why do we always go to revelation without checking genesis?
MG Man wrote:
Red Fraction wrote:Shane is there a y proof that you can hold wind? But you can feel it inhale it live by it yet you can't see it, by not seeing it is one to believe that it does not exist.
d spike wrote:I just find it hard to believe that if there is a perfect, supreme being, that he is such an egotist and allows only those who claim to have a special relationship with him, or claim to know his name, a reward in the afterlife.
Why would a perfect being create life only for the sole purpose of worshipping himself? Is he that lonely? Or bored with the adulation of the angels? That stinks of Pride.Or that you mis-interpret the definition of worship leading to an improper estimation of GOD such as to say that HE is an EGOTIST, imply that HE is UNJUST with HIS Reward, to say that HE is LONELY, BORED and PROUD.
No. There has to be a better reason. A perfect being IS IN NEED OF NOTHING. So why then the need to create?
Clearly there is a higher purpose to creation. It isn't something to be gained... it was then a gift. Giving for the sake of giving is Charity, or Love.
The concept of Love puts the Creation into context, makes sense of it all. The Creator knew we would enjoy life, and thus he created. (By "we" I mean all creatures, not just humans.)
Are you saying that the ONLY purpose of Creation is for us to ENJOY life?
Muslim Perspective:
Our purpose of existence on earth is more meaningful than being slaves to worldly gains. There can be no meaningful life better than that prescribed by our Creator. Every act done according to GOD's way is an act of worship. Man is the beneficiary and GOD is in no need.
GOD has Names and Attributes, all of perfection according to HIS Majesty. Examples of attributes like mercy, forgiveness, accepting repentance, wisdom, justice, giving help, sustenance, etc. WHY CREATE? The Creation allows for the manifestation of GOD's perfect attributes. If we didn't sin and seek forgiveness and repentance, then how would GOD manifest HIS attributes of giving forgiveness and accepting repentance?
Knowing Allaah's Names and Attributes liberates man from worshipping any form of creation because creation is weak and is in need of The Creator. The knowledge about GOD leads man to know that he is created to live according to GOD's way.
This way was revealed to the last Messenger Muhammad (saws) that muslims hold fast to. This Revelation contains a complete code of life. Everything that is beneficial or harmful is established so that man can center his life around this Revelation. If man commits wrong and knows that Allaah is Oft-Forgiving he would turn to Him and to Him alone seeking His forgiveness.
I don't see the point in arguing whether he exists or not. Whether atheist, agnostic or religious, all agree on maintaining a set of morals in order to ensure a better life experience. Why else would we be given the gift of life if not to enjoy it?
(And to the sour holy-rollers who will scramble to condemn such a "hedonistic" remark, all I can say is: if debauchery and errant behaviour is your concept of "enjoying life", then I think you have absolutely no idea of what life is about, and yours was wasted on you.)
Enjoyment of life can be done with obedience to GOD (that which pleases HIM) and disobedience to GOD (that with which HE is not pleased). I am in agreement with you but rather than leave it open to misinterpretation, I prefer to qualify the statement that what GOD WANTS is enjoyment through obedience and not enjoyment through disobedience.
Neither do I see the point of arguing which religion is better, or perfect.
If you believe that God exists, and you are certain of a path to his door, then all power to you. You walk that path, and ensure your life reflects your belief of what is behind the door to which you are heading. There can only be ONE supreme being (otherwise he wouldn't be supreme, now would he?) and as you can't meet him physically and chat, your concept of him is but a mental one, and would obviously differ from that of another person. If each person and group and culture has a differing concept of God, then it should be no surprise to a thinking person that there are different religions - but each pointing the way to the same divine source.
Unless if GOD has sent a message to us that some of us have gone down a path leading to eventual destruction, so HE shows us the way accepted by HIM through HIS messenger.
To conclude, just as we have been given life, we are given many gifts that we are expected to use - I doubt we would have been granted useless gifts. If we were expected to think and rationalize, then we would have received the gifts of intellect and logic... oh, that's right, we have received such gifts - well, most of us, at any rate.
And some of us are very PROUD of that, though none of us KNOWS FOR A FACT that our opinion is the correct one.
Cheers
megadoc1 wrote:adam b the man had a good post going there now look what you go and do now
megadoc1 wrote:shane I have one question for you..here it goes ,do you think that Jesus was a historical figure?
maj. tom wrote:shane1. Gather your thoughts and write them in one ranting post.
Kasey wrote:^^yeah but you obviously DONT KNOW!!! But rather, You believe!!! You defamed a really good post with red, bold, and caps, like ALWAYS. Your opinion is not as well-presented as spikey's.
what about david? the only historical sources for him is in the bible, but isnt he considered to be a historical figure? where as Jesus has more reference to him by historians.you are very wrong to think that the only sources for historical Jesus can be in the bible or christian writings! please look up the writings of Tacitus,Pliny,Lucian,Josephus,Pliny the younger,celsus(he said what Jesus did was sorcery but he never denied his existence),thallus(and another debated the mid day darkness on the day Jesus was killed on weather or not it was an eclipse ) do some research here..wanna bet you would aviod wikki on this one?AdamB wrote:megadoc1 wrote:shane I have one question for you..here it goes ,do you think that Jesus was a historical figure?
While we await Shane's answer, shouldn't historical figures have REAL EVIDENCE from HISTORICAL ARTEFACTS OR OTHERWISE that would prove the existence of such figure?
I am not saying that Jesus did not exist. I am asking if there is real historical evidence to confirm that he did.
From RationalWiki:
Evidence for the historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth (the Christ) as portrayed in the Bible is only found in three places: the Bible itself, other early Christian writings, and references by the various early churches (c. 100CE) to the long dead leader of those churches. There are no contemporaneous sources outside of the early Christian community.
Historians focusing on this era generally accept that there was likely some fellow named Jesus who lived in Palestine roughly two millennia ago, had a very small following of people studying his views, was killed by the government for some such reason, and whose life became pivotal to some of the world's largest religions. Beyond this, however, there is doubt over the accuracy of any of the descriptions of his life, as described in the Bible or as understood by his believers. A handful of authors, past[1] and present[2] believe there is insufficient justification to assume any individual human seed for the stories.
shane1 wrote:jesus as a man maybe.
this is a matter of belief sirshane1 wrote:and his mother wasnt a virgin obviously.
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