The Religion Discussion

[megadoc1]

i really dont have the patience to go on with this, because i really kinda drunk now. so i hope what i said made sense.

honestly if you started out with patience we you wont write all that garbage and don't blame it on being drunk! its the same pattern with all your posts unless you are drunk all the time now that would explains your posts! now I just have a few questions for you based on your train of thought

^so in your worldview, everything seems like its gonna get better in the future except religion? why?

Yes megadoc, everything is getting better.

yes but you made that observation by actually ignoring the bad stuff that is happening in the world and only focusing on the good then weighing it against religion by ignoring all the good stuff that happening in religion and only focusing on the bad stuff is that how they teach making observation in science these days?

Compare things from 1900, to now. Technology is making life easier, healthier and better.
We learn through Trial and error.

no one is arguing this! I am also a part of this group I just hope you dont think that one excludes the other

Religion is on trial now,

can you expand on this?

and the errors of it are blatantly obvious.

examples? I hope bold statements is not al you are capable of.

Think about it, All the wars in the world today are caused by.........???...... RELIGION.

all the wars yuh say? so this talk about it being about oil or power is nonsense?

Atheism is on the rise in the world, 1.5 out of every 4 American are Atheist.
Atheism is growing faster than any religious faith.

there was a time whenChristians was considered to be atheists by by the Romans, now they are considered to be just another religious group ...only time can tell ...oh wait atheists has already done started evangelizing ..oh oh

Why? Because Church and Mosque condemns homosexuality, pre-marital sex, contraceptives and abortions.

the church also condemns pedophilia,but at the rate things are going this soon would be the norm in society agree? we have seen this with premarital sex and now homosexuality ....

Because of the infringement of basic human rights.

examples?

Empowerment of Women, Women Rights & Equality, Feminism- are big issues sweeping the modern world and there are laws for it now, EXCEPT in Muslim countries, who treat women worst than dogs.

if you as a man think feminism did anything good for this planet kudos I think that should have a ched by itself

How long do you think that will last?

all what you described is no way near being a treat to religion its the other way around that's why most wants to get rid of religion

The rise of Atheism in the world will-
1) Bring Peace, no religion based wars and segregation. No genocides and ethnic cleansing.

wow most religions have the same hopes lol...

2)Tremendous Scientific Advancement, as humanity's focus will be on technology

what planet are you on? you really think religion hampers the advancement of technology? lol and then they allyuh does say religious people narrow minded lol

These are just some reasons why , in the future, religion will be found in museums only.

those are not reasons thats more like dreams *wheres that john lennon tune*

Marlener talks about Sin and needing God.

Why do people need God in the first place? Its not like he does come down and share money and powermints every sunday.

this supposed to be a joke right? what about that breath you just took? isn't that enough to make him important if he was responsible for it?

Honestly, the great God who has created thousands of millions of galaxies, trillions of earth like planets, katrillions of intelligent life forms, infinite dimensions and etc etc, i dont think he gives a fcuk about a backward, foolish human race,

there are many that think otherwise, how is your opinion greater than anyone else's? that's just your opinion! can you prove that if there really is a God he don't care about us? please! chillax man

in atom sized earth.When you go running through a field, do you even know how much ants you stomped on? Do you feel for them? Thats how God feels like, we're the ants in the field.

or so all of a sudden you know about God ?..lol alyuh is kix wee.. so any belief you have in God is one that he don't care about us? ok I would like to hear more on your beliefs some time

Fundamentalists ignore the fact, how minuscule and insignificant we are.

what are you measuring us against?

Are the inhabitants or the other planets Muslims too?,
Or maybe believe in Jesus Christ?

inhabitants of other planets? were you adopted and probed? you are Hilarius dude ..you serious?

Allyuh fundies are a dying breed eh, allyuh numbers seriously declining.

I must admit that I am beginning to become very afraid ...not of that the fundies are dying but what is attempting take its place! I rather have to put up with ignorant fundamentalists than to deal with ones who have educated themselves to imbecility

More and more people are realizing, that salvation comes from thyself.

lol wait let me get this straight you mean after all man is still in need of salvation? you even know what that is about?

Only you can save yourself, meaning you alone is responsible for your own life and being.

save yourself from what pal?

Existence of God, of Non-Existence of God to me, personally doesnt matter.
I'm here, i exist, i am a human being on planet earth. I live in a family, in a village, in a country, in an obscure blip of a planet, somewhere on the bottom left of the universe. I dont know if heaven or hell exist, there is no quantitative proof. And making life easy and peaceful, for me, and everyone else is all that matters.
Living in equilibrium, harmony, sheit like that.

I appreciate your worldview its very much reasonable

Since the beginning of time, all religions have drilled into our heads, the notions of Sin.
Some Religion do it more than others.

I think most teach about love more than sin I guess its all about how you view it

Other sins, greed, jealousy, stems from an in-equal segregated society (which is caused by Religion)

religion is the cause of the sin, which notions they drilled into our head?

If everyone pretty much have the same amount of everything and everyone exists in a society where there is no racism, or caste-ism or division, then it wont cause a serious problem.

that's exactly what john Lennon tought

yep no doubt this is a drunken post

[nismotrinidappa]

[quote="DFC"]Well yes, Adamb, i see you're back from the airport.

LOL




Religion is on trial now, and the errors of it are blatantly obvious. Think about it, All the wars in the world today are caused by.........???...... RELIGION. not politics?






The rise of Atheism in the world will-
1) Bring Peace, no religion based wars and segregation. No genocides and ethnic cleansing.
2)Tremendous Scientific Advancement, as humanity's focus will be on technology

really? you really think that atheists will have peace and make peace?


Why do people need God in the first place? Its not like he does come down and share money and powermints every sunday. in order to gain repentance

Honestly, the great God who has created thousands of millions of galaxies, trillions of earth like planets, katrillions of intelligent life forms, infinite dimensions and etc etc, i dont think he gives a fcuk about a backward, foolish human race, in atom sized earth.When you go running through a field, do you even know how much ants you stomped on? Do you feel for them? Thats how God feels like, we're the ants in the field.

we were made in gods image and likeness..
do you really see how important that is? the fact that we have free will also.. its what makes us different from the ants in the field

These fundamentalists like Adamb, do not think very much. they will believe 1+1=3 if their book says so. Ignoring the truth punching them in the face. How stupid can one be to live their whole life by the dictates of a contradictory, incomplete book , written thousands of years ago.
Dotish !

god did not personally write the book.. it was inspired by god and written by man who god had chosen

Fundamentalists ignore the fact, how minuscule and insignificant we are.
Are the inhabitants or the other planets Muslims too?, Or maybe believe in Jesus Christ?
Allyuh fundies are a dying breed eh, allyuh numbers seriously declining.

again.. gods image


More and more people are realizing, that salvation comes from thyself.
Only you can save yourself, meaning you alone is responsible for your own life and being.
Existence of God, of Non-Existence of God to me, personally doesnt matter.
I'm here, i exist, i am a human being on planet earth. I live in a family, in a village, in a country, in an obscure blip of a planet, somewhere on the bottom left of the universe. I dont know if heaven or hell exist, there is no quantitative proof. And making life easy and peaceful, for me, and everyone else is all that matters.
Living in equilibrium, harmony, sheit like that.

Since the beginning of time, all religions have drilled into our heads, the notions of Sin.
Some Religion do it more than others.

you are perfect? i doubt it very much...if you did something that is wrong, that you know is wrong, most likely its a sin. so you have sin in your system man!! stealing your sister donut is wrong, yes imagine a litle thing like that!!! open your eyes

[AdamB]

Well yes, Adamb, i see you're back from the airport.
I was not at the airport LOL


Atheism is on the rise in the world, 1.5 out of every 4 American are Atheist.
Atheism is growing faster than any religious faith.
Should we use American society as evidence for anything?

Why? Because Church and Mosque condemns homosexuality, pre-marital sex, contraceptives and abortions. Because of the infringement of basic human rights.

Empowerment of Women, Women Rights & Equality, Feminism- are big issues sweeping the modern world and there are laws for it now, EXCEPT in Muslim countries, who treat women worst than dogs.Lack of correct knowledge as to what the Muslim religion teaches is a hell of a thing. There's a difference between the ideal / correct and cultural practises. Don't judge a religion by what some of it's followers may do.

How long do you think that will last? It has lasted over 1400 years so far.

This topic has been discussed before. When were women given the freedom to vote and own property in YOUR SCIENTIFIC MODERN WESTERN WORLD?


The rise of Atheism in the world will-
1) Bring Peace, no religion based wars and segregation. No genocides and ethnic cleansing.
2)Tremendous Scientific Advancement, as humanity's focus will be on technology
Send this wish list to Santa, he'll have sufficient time to wrap it for you, if you've been a good boy!

Marlener talks about Sin and needing God.
Man is in need of GOD, that's a fact then?

Why do people need God in the first place? Its not like he does come down and share money and powermints every sunday.

Honestly, the great God who has created thousands of millions of galaxies, trillions of earth like planets, katrillions of intelligent life forms, infinite dimensions and etc etc, i dont think he gives a fcuk about a backward, foolish human race, in atom sized earth.
And does GOD give a hoot about your opinion?
When you go running through a field, do you even know how much ants you stomped on? Do you feel for them? Thats how God feels like, we're the ants in the field.And you know how GOD feels too?

These fundamentalists like Adamb, do not think very much. they will believe 1+1=3 if their book says so. Ignoring the truth punching them in the face. How stupid can one be to live their whole life by the dictates of a contradictory, incomplete book , written thousands of years ago.
And are you not a fundamentalist in your ATHEISM OR WHATEVER SYSTEM YOU FOLLOW?

Fundamentalists ignore the fact, how minuscule and insignificant we are. How is that a fact?
Are the inhabitants or the other planets Muslims too?, Or maybe believe in Jesus Christ?
Allyuh fundies are a dying breed eh, allyuh numbers seriously declining.
Doh study it, they worried about the rising rates in Europe tho.

More and more people are realizing, that salvation comes from thyself.
Only you can save yourself, meaning you alone is responsible for your own life and being.
Existence of God, of Non-Existence of God to me, personally doesnt matter. Then don't beat up yourself about it.

I'm here, i exist, i am a human being on planet earth. I live in a family, in a village, in a country, in an obscure blip of a planet, somewhere on the bottom left of the universe. I dont know if heaven or hell exist, there is no quantitative proof. And making life easy and peaceful, for me, and everyone else is all that matters.
Living in equilibrium, harmony, sheit like that.

Since the beginning of time, all religions have drilled into our heads, the notions of Sin.
Some Religion do it more than others.

Marlener, you say in the future, there is still the problem of sin. You must realise that Sin is a relative term, every religion defines sins differently.

Polygamy is a sin in one religion, but a virtue in the next. Eating Pork is a sin in one religion, but its the norm in another.etc, etc.
Murder in Islam is ok, but with conditions.
Killing in war or self-defence IS NOT MURDER. Executing for breaking laws whose punishment is taking of life IS NOT MURDER.


In most religions, Murder is a Sin. I say most religions because i know one religion that says murder of a non-believer is good deed.Please quote the evidence for this and explanation of what situation it is supposed to be applied to. Otherwise, you just taking something out of context.

But we dont need Religion to tell us Murder is a stupid-ass thing to do. Our own conscience can tell us that. "Hey don't kill that guy, its just a jackass thing to do!"

Other sins, greed, jealousy, stems from an in-equal segregated society (which is caused by Religion)Blaming religion? I thought Atheism was making serious inroads!
In-equal you say? GOD has prescribed JUSTICE over EQUALITY.

If everyone pretty much have the same amount of everything and everyone exists in a society where there is no racism, or caste-ism or division, then it wont cause a serious problem.
Advocate for COMMUNISM and wiping out of those who indulge in racism, caste-ism, etc?

i really dont have the patience to go on with this, because i really kinda drunk now. so i hope what i said made sense.

Really kinda sad that this is what a person doing at 7pm on Saturday night! GET A LIFE!!

[AdamB]

Oh to be fair I only read 17 pages of the thread I was directed to be dspike so It possible that something constructive might have been said on page 18 or maybe I am taking the posts at face value when there is some deeper meaning to it,maybe some can enlighten me dspike.Anyone Dfc,Duane,Kasey,AdamB,Megadoc,nareeshsheep,red fraction,or the author himself MG man.

Marlener,
Some of these guys think that a newbie should spend a year or two reading the thread and then return to participate in discussions. You are quite right, FACE VALUE!!

[marlener]

I am really wondering if it makes senses to comment or respond at all to Dfc post,seeing that he claims to be drunk he might blame his statements on that when he sobers up.I will say this if Dfc thinks EVERYTHING is getting better,then he is one of the few individuals in Trinidad that is off that view.Dfc despite what you may think God is much a part of human life even the birds are considered. And to claim to know what how God thinks is quite a claim. Have two questions would you prefer to live in a communist state where religion is suppressed,and why do you feel the need to cloud your mind with alcohol that hinders your rational thinking,if man is to deal with his sin problem himself I think it would require a sober,logical,and rational state of mind.Another thing Dfc you need to remember the questions you ask,if you ask me a question in a Christian context (because you were talking about Christian timeline) then I would respond in context,so you can't talk about muslims hindus etc then. Feel free to ask again when you sober up.Oh by the way God is giving you life this Sunday morning better than money and powermints. Or you prefer the powermint?

[marlener]

@adamB I was glad I read it, learn some other stuff too but it was not in context of the discussion so in due course I will quote it.I sometime spends days reading pass posts to catch up and and not posting anything.

[nismotrinidappa]

so get to know jesus now.. not religion... but a close relationship with jesus

why are you directing me to a middleman?
why not go straight to the source code?

mg i wanted to expand on this.... jesus is the source code...the middleman would be all the religions..

so as i said before get to know jesus? no need to fight over religion man... jesus makes himself available to anyone who truly wants him in their life.

[nismotrinidappa]

a good video
http://www.testimoniesofheavenandhell.c ... of-christ/

[DFC]

i really dont have the patience to go on with this, because i really kinda drunk now. so i hope what i said made sense.

honestly if you started out with patience we you wont write all that garbage and don't blame it on being drunk! its the same pattern with all your posts unless you are drunk all the time now that would explains your posts! now I just have a few questions for you based on your train of thought.

Lol, its easy to call what i say garbage, just as how i call your fables and Bible garbage.

^so in your worldview, everything seems like its gonna get better in the future except religion? why?[

Yes megadoc, everything is getting better.

yes but you made that observation by actually ignoring the bad stuff that is happening in the world and only focusing on the good then weighing it against religion by ignoring all the good stuff that happening in religion and only focusing on the bad stuff is that how they teach making observation in science these days?

There are bad things going on, Diseases, Wars, Genocides, Ethnic Cleansing.
Science is dealing with the diseases, so much cancer breakthroughs have been made, and the top medical facilities in the world are working on a cure for Aids, its just a matter of time before its found.

Religion is on trial now,

can you expand on this?

Religion is being tested, meaning, there are a growing number of people who are just not accepting it blindly anymore. People are abandoning religion now. People not believing in the "Holy Books" like they used to.

Think about it, All the wars in the world today are caused by.........???...... RELIGION.

all the wars yuh say? so this talk about it being about oil or power is nonsense?

Iraq war, Palestine- Israel war, Taliban, Al-Qaida , Ethnic cleansing in Africa, Bosnia, Albania.
War between Pakistan and India, all of these are wars going on right now. And its Religious wars.

And If we go back in history, there are lots more. ( Hitler, Spanish Inquisition, etc)

Why? Because Church and Mosque condemns homosexuality, pre-marital sex, contraceptives and abortions.

the church also condemns pedophilia,but at the rate things are going this soon would be the norm in society agree? we have seen this with premarital sex and now homosexuality ....

Maybe Adamb can enlighten you about pedophilia.
And pedophilia is the norm for Catholic priests and Muslims.

"Egypt sheikh says girls should be married, have children starting at 14-years-old"
http://www.bikyamasr.com/78631/egypt-sheikh-says-girls-should-be-married-have-children-starting-at-14-years-old/

CAIRO: An Egyptian cleric and member of the Constituent Assembly tasked with drafting Egypt’s new constitution has said that girls 14-years-old are permitted to have sexual relations under Islam and has proposed reducing the marriage age limit as a result.

“It is permissible for the girl at the age of 9 or 10 to marry,” Yassir Barhami said in discussing a woman’s sexual reproduction and his interpretation of Islam.




Are you Homophobic megadoc? Homosexuals are normal people. Homosexuality have been around since men started having sex. Infact , in Roman society, if you didnt like men, you were considered weird. Gays and Lesbians should be allowed to marry and adopt too.
I fully support Contraceptives & Abotion.

Empowerment of Women, Women Rights & Equality, Feminism- are big issues sweeping the modern world and there are laws for it now, EXCEPT in Muslim countries, who treat women worst than dogs.

if you as a man think feminism did anything good for this planet kudos I think that should have a ched by itself

Are you against feminism and equal rights for women?
I know your bible say Man was created first. Do you think men are higher and better than women?
If thats the case then go take ah man.

The rise of Atheism in the world will-
1) Bring Peace, no religion based wars and segregation. No genocides and ethnic cleansing.

wow most religions have the same hopes lol...

2)Tremendous Scientific Advancement, as humanity's focus will be on technology

what planet are you on? you really think religion hampers the advancement of technology? lol and then they allyuh does say religious people narrow minded lol

Its ironic, that you call me narrow minded.
YES, religion hampers the advancement of Technology.



Taken from Nobeliefs.com

"The Christian Dark Ages represents the only time in the history of Europe where scientific advancement not only halted but went backwards. The hole left by the Dark Ages bears the imprint of scientific intolerance. Imagine where scientific advancement would stand today if not for the scars left by Christianity.

During the Age of Enlightenment, people began to wake up. Many freethinkers and scientists rejected orthodox religion and replaced it with unitarianism, deism, or non-theistic philosophy. During the 1800s and after, scientists no longer had to fear religious persecution in any form. As never before in the history of mankind, scientists began to reject theocracy entirely. And what happened as a result of the freedom from Christian influence? Science literally exploded with new discoveries! Since the early 1900s, the majority of the world's productive scientists held no theological beliefs, and the percentage of nonbelievers continued to rise every decade.

The idea that Christianity founded modern science and medicine comes from pure arrogant myth. Christianity, by its very biblical nature, represents the antithesis of science."

Marlener talks about Sin and needing God.

Why do people need God in the first place? Its not like he does come down and share money and powermints every sunday.

this supposed to be a joke right? what about that breath you just took? isn't that enough to make him important if he was responsible for it?

So if i hold my breath, God does vex?
What about all the children starving and dying of hunger , they should thank god for the chance to live too right? Why god dont come down and feed them children? Why god have people suffering in the first place?

Honestly, the great God who has created thousands of millions of galaxies, trillions of earth like planets, katrillions of intelligent life forms, infinite dimensions and etc etc, i dont think he gives a fcuk about a backward, foolish human race,

there are many that think otherwise, how is your opinion greater than anyone else's? that's just your opinion! can you prove that if there really is a God he don't care about us? please! chillax man

My opinions on god and existence , i should put in a book.
The bible is a collection of hear-says and fables and distant memories of a Hippie dude.

I think my book will be better and greater.(it will have flying tigers with machine guns and sharks with lasers)

Are the inhabitants or the other planets Muslims too?,
Or maybe believe in Jesus Christ?

inhabitants of other planets? were you adopted and probed? you are Hilarius dude ..you serious?

Just answer yes or no please.

More and more people are realizing, that salvation comes from thyself.

lol wait let me get this straight you mean after all man is still in need of salvation? you even know what that is about?

Salvation yes, but not in the Christian sense. Man needs to realise they responsible for their own actions, and to give in to reason and logic, and science.

Only you can save yourself, meaning you alone is responsible for your own life and being.

save yourself from what pal?

Save yourself from sickness, discrimination and religious prejudice. Knowledge is Power.

Other sins, greed, jealousy, stems from an in-equal segregated society (which is caused by Religion)

religion is the cause of the sin, which notions they drilled into our head?

So where did man get the concept of sin from?

If everyone pretty much have the same amount of everything and everyone exists in a society where there is no racism, or caste-ism or division, then it wont cause a serious problem.

that's exactly what john Lennon tought

yep no doubt this is a drunken post

So if i say i'm drunk on the blood of christ, will that make things clearer for you/
And will that make me a Vampire?

[DFC]

I am really wondering if it makes senses to comment or respond at all to Dfc post,seeing that he claims to be drunk he might blame his statements on that when he sobers up.I will say this if Dfc thinks EVERYTHING is getting better,then he is one of the few individuals in Trinidad that is off that view.Dfc despite what you may think God is much a part of human life even the birds are considered. And to claim to know what how God thinks is quite a claim. Have two questions would you prefer to live in a communist state where religion is suppressed,and why do you feel the need to cloud your mind with alcohol that hinders your rational thinking,if man is to deal with his sin problem himself I think it would require a sober,logical,and rational state of mind.Another thing Dfc you need to remember the questions you ask,if you ask me a question in a Christian context (because you were talking about Christian timeline) then I would respond in context,so you can't talk about muslims hindus etc then. Feel free to ask again when you sober up.Oh by the way God is giving you life this Sunday morning better than money and powermints. Or you prefer the powermint?

First of all, I still stand by my statements. Drunk or sober.No tack back.
And yes, i do see the world getting better, slowly and slowly.

We will be in an utopia in a few hundred years.

Its easy to say God is giving me life this morning.
If that is true, then i hope tommorow he ask me first.


Why god so bias and racial?
He hate African children,and middle east, and indian and china?

Its easy to say thank god when we wake up in the morning, because you comfortable and have alot.

What about the starving kids who haven't eaten for days and every night, who wish they never woke up. What about those people who living in hell like conditions ?, so much extreme poverty in the world, it makes you wonder if God bias and does like to watch people suffer.

Marlener , have you ever been to a really poor country, where the people so poor that they eat dirt?
I've been to a few places like that. It's heartbreaking.

Its disgusting that we are so wealthy and we know what luxury is, and at the same time we thanking god for we good life, there are millions of people crying, and suffering for years.

They are born into suffering and will die suffering.
Why?


Secondly, are you equating Alcohol with Sin?
Don't forget Jesus drink wine too eh.

You mention sober, logical and rational.
Tell me what part of my previous post you disagree on?

[DFC]

And Adamb, when yuh having the Navraatri Puja?
I want to come eat ah Parsad.

[maj. tom]

[maj. tom]

[AdamB]

@DFC,
The navaraWHO pooWHAT??!!

And BTW heterosexual men doh need Parasad to "COME". Lol

[Bizzare]

that must be an islamic joke

[marlener]

I did state what I disagreed with and asked some questions as well,apparently you didn`t read all of my response.I am still fascinate by the fact that you know how God thinks.Listen it`s easy to say that in a few in a few hundred years x and y will happen,why not use the blessing God has given you to help those very ones you see suffering NOW,I never equate alcohol with sin,where did I say that,as yes Jesus drank wine but nowhere you saw him drunk.
@Maj tom religion didn`t shoot anyone a human did a human just like the humans who are capable of making bombs,starting wars or finding a cure for the common cold. There are things that happen both in science and religion that was wrong this week and likewise there are things that are good.
If people would take the time they take to google,copy,paste,argue and use the same zeal to seek God you`d be surprised at the outcome.
Just a question can anyone share how not believing in God not religion has bettered their life?

[megadoc1]

i really dont have the patience to go on with this, because i really kinda drunk now. so i hope what i said made sense.

honestly if you started out with patience we you wont write all that garbage and don't blame it on being drunk! its the same pattern with all your posts unless you are drunk all the time now that would explains your posts! now I just have a few questions for you based on your train of thought.

Lol, its easy to call what i say garbage, just as how i call your fables and Bible garbage.

agreed! at least you admit that what you are saying is just a matter of ole talk..

^so in your worldview, everything seems like its gonna get better in the future except religion? why?

Yes megadoc, everything is getting better.

yes but you made that observation by actually ignoring the bad stuff that is happening in the world and only focusing on the good then weighing it against religion by ignoring all the good stuff that happening in religion and only focusing on the bad stuff is that how they teach making observation in science these days?

There are bad things going on, Diseases, Wars, Genocides, Ethnic Cleansing.
Science is dealing with the diseases, so much cancer breakthroughs have been made, and the top medical facilities in the world are working on a cure for Aids, its just a matter of time before its found.

again! no one is disputing this, what is your argument? is it not your view that religion is somehow excluded from any positive act of advancement in society?

Religion is on trial now,

can you expand on this?

Religion is being tested, meaning, there are a growing number of people who are just not accepting it blindly anymore. People are abandoning religion now. People not believing in the "Holy Books" like they used to.

I agree that people are no longer accepting things blindly they are searching things out but to say that they are abandoning religion is to be ignorant! there are more christians/muslims in the world today than they were 0ver a hundred years ago
the fiqures on wiki says that "The increase in the Christian population was at a slightly higher rate than that of the world population, 1.3 percent per year, when the total world population increased by 1.2 percent per year" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_population_growth

let me see your figures nuh!

Think about it, All the wars in the world today are caused by.........???...... RELIGION.

all the wars yuh say? so this talk about it being about oil or power is nonsense?

Iraq war, Palestine- Israel war, Taliban, Al-Qaida , Ethnic cleansing in Africa, Bosnia, Albania.
War between Pakistan and India, all of these are wars going on right now. And its Religious wars.

And If we go back in history, there are lots more. ( Hitler, Spanish Inquisition, etc)

but can you boldly state that atheism will bring and end to war? America claimed to have separated religion from state and they fight the biggest wars, with the greatest and most advance in technology, according to your logic you don't think religious folks are capable of advancing technology such as these , so you cannot deny that the non religious folks don't fight
worse yet we now have the atheist folks creating weapons for the religious folks to fight? remember you claimed that the the religious are incapable of such technological advancement
so what are you saying man?

Why? Because Church and Mosque condemns homosexuality, pre-marital sex, contraceptives and abortions.

the church also condemns pedophilia,but at the rate things are going this soon would be the norm in society agree? we have seen this with premarital sex and now homosexuality ....

Are you Homophobic megadoc?

no!

Homosexuals are normal people.

where did you get the Idea that I think otherwise?

Homosexuality have been around since men started having sex.with men

duh!

Infact , in Roman society, if you didnt like men, you were considered weird.

thanks for the info!

Gays and Lesbians should be allowed to marry and adopt too.

ok!

I fully support Contraceptives & Abotion.

to bad you are already born..lol

Empowerment of Women, Women Rights & Equality, Feminism- are big issues sweeping the modern world and there are laws for it now, EXCEPT in Muslim countries, who treat women worst than dogs.

if you as a man think feminism did anything good for this planet kudos I think that should have a ched by itself

Are you against feminism and equal rights for women?
I know your bible say Man was created first. Do you think men are higher and better than women?
If thats the case then go take ah man.

I am against feminism but if you think that I am against equal rights for women then you need to do some studies and get back to me ok?
I will tell you this much ,if you see the vid with the bus driver registering an uppercut to a young lady, the feminist will protest because she is a woman and should not hae been subjected to such..lol you see the hypocrisy? what about gender neutrality and equal rights? all of a sudden that goes out the window.

The rise of Atheism in the world will-
1) Bring Peace, no religion based wars and segregation. No genocides and ethnic cleansing.

wow most religions have the same hopes lol...

2)Tremendous Scientific Advancement, as humanity's focus will be on technology

what planet are you on? you really think religion hampers the advancement of technology? lol and then they allyuh does say religious people narrow minded lol

Its ironic, that you call me narrow minded.
YES, religion hampers the advancement of Technology.

ok! but those who advance technology create high tech weapons for the religious to fight wars..lol

Marlener talks about Sin and needing God.

Why do people need God in the first place? Its not like he does come down and share money and powermints every sunday.

this supposed to be a joke right? what about that breath you just took? isn't that enough to make him important if he was responsible for it?

So if i hold my breath, God does vex?

???? never mind !

What about all the children starving and dying of hunger , they should thank god for the chance to live too right? Why god dont come down and feed them children? Why god have people suffering in the first place?

is this an argument or you really wish to learn something?

Honestly, the great God who has created thousands of millions of galaxies, trillions of earth like planets, katrillions of intelligent life forms, infinite dimensions and etc etc, i dont think he gives a fcuk about a backward, foolish human race,

there are many that think otherwise, how is your opinion greater than anyone else's? that's just your opinion! can you prove that if there really is a God he don't care about us? please! chillax man

My opinions on god and existence , i should put in a book.
The bible is a collection of hear-says and fables and distant memories of a Hippie dude.

I think my book will be better and greater.(it will have flying tigers with machine guns and sharks with lasers)

thing is, this isnt even your idea/thought or saying, you just parroting something you read somewhere on the internet ...... oh well

Are the inhabitants or the other planets Muslims too?,
Or maybe believe in Jesus Christ?

inhabitants of other planets? were you adopted and probed? you are Hilarius dude ..you serious?

Just answer yes or no please.

when you find them we would investigate that please don't attempt to waste my time on this ok?

More and more people are realizing, that salvation comes from thyself.

lol wait let me get this straight you mean after all man is still in need of salvation? you even know what that is about?

Salvation yes, but not in the Christian sense. Man needs to realise they responsible for their own actions, and to give in to reason and logic, and science.

then why call it salvation?

Only you can save yourself, meaning you alone is responsible for your own life and being.

save yourself from what pal?

Save yourself from sickness, discrimination and religious prejudice. Knowledge is Power

you are making things up as you go along ..lol "salvation" and "saving" as we speak are religious terms used, why are you using them to mean something else?

Other sins, greed, jealousy, stems from an in-equal segregated society (which is caused by Religion)

religion is the cause of the sin, which notions they drilled into our head?

So where did man get the concept of sin from?

you said religion only drills the notions of sin in our head then you go on to say that religion is the cause of sin..hence my question but evermind!

If everyone pretty much have the same amount of everything and everyone exists in a society where there is no racism, or caste-ism or division, then it wont cause a serious problem.

that's exactly what john Lennon tought
yep no doubt this is a drunken post

So if i say i'm drunk on the blood of christ, will that make things clearer for you

no!

And will that make me a Vampire?

no!


this place is kix wee

[rspann]

DFC,I noticed that you said homosexuals are normal.If so why do you go on to say they should be allowed to adopt?If it was something normal,they should be able to reproduce their own offspring,as do all other species,including man and woman.Just wondering

[megadoc1]

DFC,I noticed that you said homosexuals are normal.If so why do you go on to say they should be allowed to adopt?If it was something normal,they should be able to reproduce their own offspring,as do all other species,including man and woman.Just wondering

I think he meant normal as in people/person but if in fact he thinks putting a penis in another man botom will result in the same thing that happens when a penis is inserted into a woman,regarding reproduction and stuff , then he should be the last one to think he could tell me anything about science...

[rspann]

Megadoc,Just tell them what Psalms 14.1 says.

[nismotrinidappa]

Well yes, Adamb, i see you're back from the airport.

LOL




Religion is on trial now, and the errors of it are blatantly obvious. Think about it, All the wars in the world today are caused by.........???...... RELIGION. not politics?






The rise of Atheism in the world will-
1) Bring Peace, no religion based wars and segregation. No genocides and ethnic cleansing.
2)Tremendous Scientific Advancement, as humanity's focus will be on technology

really? you really think that atheists will have peace and make peace?


Why do people need God in the first place? Its not like he does come down and share money and powermints every sunday. in order to gain repentance

Honestly, the great God who has created thousands of millions of galaxies, trillions of earth like planets, katrillions of intelligent life forms, infinite dimensions and etc etc, i dont think he gives a fcuk about a backward, foolish human race, in atom sized earth.When you go running through a field, do you even know how much ants you stomped on? Do you feel for them? Thats how God feels like, we're the ants in the field.

we were made in gods image and likeness..
do you really see how important that is? the fact that we have free will also.. its what makes us different from the ants in the field

These fundamentalists like Adamb, do not think very much. they will believe 1+1=3 if their book says so. Ignoring the truth punching them in the face. How stupid can one be to live their whole life by the dictates of a contradictory, incomplete book , written thousands of years ago.
Dotish !

god did not personally write the book.. it was inspired by god and written by man who god had chosen

Fundamentalists ignore the fact, how minuscule and insignificant we are.
Are the inhabitants or the other planets Muslims too?, Or maybe believe in Jesus Christ?
Allyuh fundies are a dying breed eh, allyuh numbers seriously declining.

again.. gods image


More and more people are realizing, that salvation comes from thyself.
Only you can save yourself, meaning you alone is responsible for your own life and being.
Existence of God, of Non-Existence of God to me, personally doesnt matter.
I'm here, i exist, i am a human being on planet earth. I live in a family, in a village, in a country, in an obscure blip of a planet, somewhere on the bottom left of the universe. I dont know if heaven or hell exist, there is no quantitative proof. And making life easy and peaceful, for me, and everyone else is all that matters.
Living in equilibrium, harmony, sheit like that.

Since the beginning of time, all religions have drilled into our heads, the notions of Sin.
Some Religion do it more than others.

you are perfect? i doubt it very much...if you did something that is wrong, that you know is wrong, most likely its a sin. so you have sin in your system man!! stealing your sister donut is wrong, yes imagine a litle thing like that!!! open your eyes

dfc you made some statements and questions... i put some ideas forward to you.. do you see how they can be true? i tried to break it down as much and as simple as i could.. do you agree with what i said? have you seen the light? please reply to my post would love to see your response..

[nismotrinidappa]

on another note if anyone who happens to be reading or following or browsing this thread really wants to know jesus and turn their life in the right direction pm me. i will put you onto a man of god, a prophet who can and will speak truth into your life... and please this is for serious people, people who are in pain or hurt or find their life is stuck in a rut. guidance can be given. i am serious no pranks and timewasters please...i know there are jokers on the forum and people have been afflicted even died.

again i say.. serious people who really want help and deliverance

[AdamB]

on another note if anyone who happens to be reading or following or browsing this thread really wants to know jesus and turn their life in the right direction pm me. i will put you onto a man of god, a prophet who can and will speak truth into your life... and please this is for serious people, people who are in pain or hurt or find their life is stuck in a rut. guidance can be given. i am serious no pranks and timewasters please...i know there are jokers on the forum and people have been afflicted even died.

again i say.. serious people who really want help and deliverance

Pal,
Wake up and smell the coffee nah! Are you for real? Any prophet you bring now is a FALSE prophet. Like yuh find the reincarnation of Sai Baba and have him lock up or something?

The sad thing here is that you probably really "believe" in this man (from the way that you speak). Are people really THAT GULLIBLE??

For guidance, refer to the Noble Qur'aan, the Word of GOD himself. As MG said, "NO MIDDLE MAN!"

Forget the storm in the teacup, look at the BIG issue - THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT THE ONE (TRUE) GOD!! FIRST COMMANDMENT OF MOSES NAH!! (EXODUS 23 - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."; "Hear O Israel, The Lord OUR GOD, THE LORD is ONE." Deuteronomy 6:4 & Mark 12:29.

[megadoc1]

adam b take yuh time! you forget you believe that the comforter, who Jesus promised to send to his disciples(which they did receive 40 days later ) is mu- ha -mad the profit who came over 400 hundred years long after they died...are you really that gullible?

[AdamB]

Megadoc,
1. Show me evidence of where the time for the "Comforter" to come is specified at all or the 40 days you are claiming. And also where he promised to send to "his" disciples. This is like how Jesus was sent to the Jews (the lost sheep of Israel) but you CONVENIENTLY won't restrict in this case.
If Jesus "went" and is now time for the Comforter, then why ask of Jesus or call upon him for help or whatever?

2. Tell me that our pardner above is not smoking some sheit or mentally incapacitated from the norm.

[AdamB]

Megadoc said, "mu- ha -mad the profit".

1. You don't know for a FACT that Muhammad was not a TRUE PROPHET (not PROFIT). So why seek to ridicule or insult him? GOD ALONE KNOWS and the TRUTH will one day be made clear.

2. I accept Jesus as a TRUE PROPHET and I WILL NEVER INSULT HIM.

3. You cannot prove that Jesus even existed, only BELIEVE in him (which I do as well).

4. Enemies of the prophets and angels are enemies of GOD also.

5. A disbeliever in any one prophet is a disbeliever in GOD, even if he believes in all of the other prophets.

[Dizzy28]

I did state what I disagreed with and asked some questions as well,apparently you didn`t read all of my response.I am still fascinate by the fact that you know how God thinks.Listen it`s easy to say that in a few in a few hundred years x and y will happen,why not use the blessing God has given you to help those very ones you see suffering NOW,I never equate alcohol with sin,where did I say that,as yes Jesus drank wine but nowhere you saw him drunk.
@Maj tom religion didn`t shoot anyone a human did a human just like the humans who are capable of making bombs,starting wars or finding a cure for the common cold. There are things that happen both in science and religion that was wrong this week and likewise there are things that are good.
If people would take the time they take to google,copy,paste,argue and use the same zeal to seek God you`d be surprised at the outcome.
Just a question can anyone share how not believing in God not religion has bettered their life?

In similar vein, can anyone prove having religion makes their lives any better? There would be no scientific basis just narrative based on coincidences and events.

[Dizzy28]

Megadoc said, "mu- ha -mad the profit".

1. You don't know for a FACT that Muhammad was not a TRUE PROPHET (not PROFIT). So why seek to ridicule or insult him? GOD ALONE KNOWS and the TRUTH will one day be made clear.

2. I accept Jesus as a TRUE PROPHET and I WILL NEVER INSULT HIM.

3. You cannot prove that Jesus even existed, only BELIEVE in him (which I do as well).

.

Oh the irony!!

[AdamB]

Megadoc said, "mu- ha -mad the profit".

1. You don't know for a FACT that Muhammad was not a TRUE PROPHET (not PROFIT). So why seek to ridicule or insult him? GOD ALONE KNOWS and the TRUTH will one day be made clear.

2. I accept Jesus as a TRUE PROPHET and I WILL NEVER INSULT HIM.

3. You cannot prove that Jesus even existed, only BELIEVE in him (which I do as well).

.

Oh the irony!!

What irony?

There is NO PROOF that Jesus existed, that's a FACT and this statement is not an insult or criticism. Belief in the unseen is what FAITH is built upon.

The point is that he wants to insult one whom it can be proven existed and received revelation from GOD BUT IDOLIZES the one whose existence and manner of birth cannot be proven.

Would Megadoc then agree with MajTom's criticism of "ABSTINENCE 99.99% EFFECTIVE"??

That's the irony!!

[megadoc1]

Megadoc,
1. Show me evidence of where the time for the "Comforter" to come is specified at all or the 40 days you are claiming.

oh that's easy
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


aye! adam b, they left Jerusalem ,shouldn't that indicate to you that they Got what the were instructed to wait on?

And also where he promised to send to "his" disciples. This is like how Jesus was sent to the Jews (the lost sheep of Israel) but you CONVENIENTLY won't restrict in this case.

what I highlighted was to indicate to you that iits ridiculous four you to think that what ever Jesus promised those guys came over 400 years after they died..

If Jesus "went" and is now time for the Comforter, then why ask of Jesus or call upon him for help or whatever?

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
and this was said after he promised the comforter let me post the whole thing

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you

yuh notice he said the comforter would abide with us forever?where is mu-ha mad? hes dead yo! 1 pawn

Megadoc said, "mu- ha -mad the profit".

1. You don't know for a FACT that Muhammad was not a TRUE PROPHET (not PROFIT). So why seek to ridicule or insult him? GOD ALONE KNOWS and the TRUTH will one day be made clear.

You don't know for a FACT that Muhammad was a TRUE PROPHET (or PROFIT). So why
beat up?GOD KNOWS and will one day he would defend himself

2. I accept Jesus as a TRUE PROPHET and I WILL NEVER INSULT HIM.

yet one post earlier

2. Tell me that our pardner above is not smoking some sheit or mentally incapacitated from the norm.

3. You cannot prove that Jesus even existed, only BELIEVE in him (which I do as well).

lol Christians throughout the ages never had the task of proving Jesus existed this is not an issue it is a generally accepted fact that he is a historical figure.

4. Enemies of the prophets and angels are enemies of GOD also.

what about profits? or even false prophets? Jesus did say many would come.

5. A disbeliever in any one prophet is a disbeliever in GOD, even if he believes in all of the other prophets.

that's what you state now but its only to say what you want to say ,Ive hardly heard you guys read anything from the former prophets is it not because of unbelief?