The Religion Discussion

[DFC]

DFC,
If you're willing to pay my salary of $20,000 per month, I may be willing to take up your job offer of resolving the absurd objections you have and possibly continue to raise.

Yes i will pay it. Thats pocket change for me.

Pm me your details, and lets make the arrangement.

I really want to hear your rebuttal, if you have one.

[AdamB]

DFC,
If you're willing to pay my salary of $20,000 per month, I may be willing to take up your job offer of resolving the absurd objections you have and possibly continue to raise.

Yes i will pay it. Thats pocket change for me.

Pm me your details, and lets make the arrangement.

I really want to hear your rebuttal, if you have one.

Pm me your job offer And bear in mind I have to give my present employer 1 month's notice. They may make a counter offer tho, so can't promise anything.

[DFC]

DFC,
If you're willing to pay my salary of $20,000 per month, I may be willing to take up your job offer of resolving the absurd objections you have and possibly continue to raise.

Yes i will pay it. Thats pocket change for me.

Pm me your details, and lets make the arrangement.

I really want to hear your rebuttal, if you have one.

Pm me your job offer And bear in mind I have to give my present employer 1 month's notice. They may make a counter offer tho, so can't promise anything.

LIES and more lies, its a honorable thing to say you dont know.
And i will accept that, because it would be honest,

You really dont know, because you blindly believe in an incomplete book that doesn't provide all the answers.

Here are some things for you to think on.

Quran is meaningless if the message was already given to Moses?
If the dead were raised in past, why not now?
Was Allah sitting idle before creation?
If Allah is in every direction, why Muslims face only Mecca?
Out of nothing, nothing can come
Were there no places sacred before Kaaba?
Does Allah ride a camel?

[Chimera]

AdamB...you post here that you making 20,000 a month

i assume you would have no problem with one of us posting your real name and your real salary?

[DFC]

AdamB...you post here that you making 20,000 a month

i assume you would have no problem with one of us posting your real name and your real salary?

He's lying about his salary.
To make that kind of money you've got to be really educated and intelligent.

Unfortunately for this Fundamentalist....He's very lacking in the brain department.

[AdamB]

Well I am highly educated, far more than 1/3 of Crossdrilled's education and I do think that Allah has blessed me with intelligence and wit (ALL praise is due to ALLAH for that). However, ABA Trading is proof that you can make big money with little education and minimal intelligence. He should thank Allah for his favours. (And WE know who you are as well...)

[Chimera]

of course everyone knows who i am...
my name and phone number is posted all over this website, my websites, my pages, its even on my building.

but are you hiding behind your screen name?

is it a problem if i post your real name and real salary?

[DFC]

Well I am highly educated, far more than 1/3 of Crossdrilled's education and I do think that Allah has blessed me with intelligence and wit (ALL praise is due to ALLAH for that). However, ABA Trading is proof that you can make big money with little education and minimal intelligence. He should thank Allah for his favours. (And WE know who you are as well...)

Who WE? You and WHO? ....LOL

So what if you know me too, whats next?

[AdamB]

Well I am highly educated, far more than 1/3 of Crossdrilled's education and I do think that Allah has blessed me with intelligence and wit (ALL praise is due to ALLAH for that). However, ABA Trading is proof that you can make big money with little education and minimal intelligence. He should thank Allah for his favours. (And WE know who you are as well...)

Who WE? You and WHO? ....LOL

So what if you know me too, whats next?

Ask ABA. What would my name and salary add to this discussion?
I don't consider $20k a lot.

ABA,
Business success / money cannot buy education, intelligence, freedom, security and PEACE OF MIND. For that, you need ISLAM!!

[Chimera]

LOLLL LOLL LOLL @ ISLAM...getting you..freedom..peace of mind...intelligence....


!!! this should be posted in stalest joke thread


if i post your name and REAL salary,it will prove you to be a fraud and would explain to the great people of tuner why you post what you post.

[Chimera]

(And WE know who you are as well...)

i assume the "WE" are your split personalities? York and the other user you created to post in this thread.

[DFC]

ABA he already proved he is a fraud.

Well I am highly educated, far more than 1/3 of Crossdrilled's education and I do think that Allah has blessed me with intelligence and wit (ALL praise is due to ALLAH for that). However, ABA Trading is proof that you can make big money with little education and minimal intelligence. He should thank Allah for his favours. (And WE know who you are as well...)

What you "think" of yourself is real delusion.

Nobody thinks the same of you in this forum, nobody thinks your opinion matters, or even takes you seriously.

This is YOUR opinion.
The opinion of a person who:
uses words of which he is clueless about the meanings;
attempts to take part in a public discussion about religion, yet thinks theological statements are poetry;
takes a stand on concepts about which he clearly shows no comprehension...

hmmmm... does this person's opinion carry much weight?

DISPASSIONATE is what AdamB is. Hiding behind his quotes and not answering questions put to him. He thinks he can strike doubt within people with his lame "analytics"
It became quite boring because it's not a discussion it's an attack or rather failed attempts.

And i can quote more if you like...

[AdamB]

DFC and ABA,
The Truth, Islam and Muslims are so much of a threat to you? LOL

[Kasey]

just one question york, did the koran really say those things that TonyM wrote?

Get a copy and read one. Better yet check it online.

this is a fools response. And why did you answer? This was posted to York.
AdamB, in Allah's name, are you York?

[ocularis]

has anyone here mentioned anything from christopher hitchens books/debates/speeches??

[megadoc1]

yep give user mg man a calll

[Chimera]

DFC and ABA,
The Truth, Islam and Muslims are so much of a threat to you? LOL

muslims like yourself are a threat to the world.

[AdamB]

DFC and ABA,
The Truth, Islam and Muslims are so much of a threat to you? LOL

muslims like yourself are a threat to the world.

You are a threat to yourself but you don't realize it. Soon you will come to know.

[AdamB]

DISPASSIONATE is what AdamB is. Hiding behind his quotes and not answering questions put to him. He thinks he can strike doubt within people with his lame "analytics"
It became quite boring because it's not a discussion it's an attack or rather failed attempts.

In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #10)

And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire. And We have fixed their number (19) only as a trial for the disbelievers, in order that the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) may arrive at a certainty [that this Qur'an is the truth as it agrees with their Books regarding the number (19) which is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] and that the believers may increase in Faith (as this Qur'an is the truth), and that no doubt may be left for the people of the Scripture and the believers, and that [b]those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy) and the disbelievers may say: "What Allah intends by this (curious) example ?" Thus Allah leads astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills[/b]. And none can know the hosts of your Lord but He. And this (Hell) is nothing else than a (warning) reminder to mankind.
( سورة المدثر , Al-Muddathir, Chapter #74, Verse #31)

[Kasey]

was starting to like the koran when smash was in this discuccion alone, was actually considering looking into reading some of it. NOT NOW!!!! If the koran can breed things like AdamB, I will have nothing to do with it.

Good thing I stayed in this thread and now see the light. Thank you AdamB!!

[d spike]

was starting to like the koran when smash was in this discuccion alone, was actually considering looking into reading some of it. NOT NOW!!!! If the koran can breed things like AdamB, I will have nothing to do with it.

Good thing I stayed in this thread and now see the light. Thank you AdamB!!

That's not quite fair, Kasey. By that same argument, one could say that the Bible bred the kind of nonsense one saw in the inquisitions that the Reformers held, the Crusades, even the slavers who seriously believed theirs was a sacred duty! Even the modern-day Klu Klux Klan base their ideals on the Bible.

No, Kasey. My grandfather used to say that an educated jackass is still a jackass. A hateful, spiteful, insecure, paranoid person who becomes religious, is most likely going to be a hateful, spiteful, insecure, paranoid, religious person.

Maturity... ah, that's what is needed for our mutual friend to acquire.

[DFC]

When the truth comes to them, will they be able to recognize it?

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Buddha.

Adamb, have you read any other religious texts beside the Quran?

[Chimera]

i doubt Adam has read anything at all except the koran

[DFC]

i doubt Adam has read anything at all except the koran

And i doubt he ever read out the whole Quran.

Are you an Arab , Adamb?

Quran [43:3] says- “We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand”.
This verse indicates that Allah sent down Quran for those, who understand Arabic. So, when Allah himself says that this book is for Arabs, then Adamb, sorry but your seat in the "hot place" is booked.

[AdamB]

O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought.
 (  سورة الحج  , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #73)

[AdamB]

DFC,
Are you Dspike's alter ego?? Lol

[AdamB]

i doubt Adam has read anything at all except the koran

And i doubt he ever read out the whole Quran.

Are you an Arab , Adamb?

Quran [43:3] says- “We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand”.
This verse indicates that Allah sent down Quran for those, who understand Arabic. So, when Allah himself says that this book is for Arabs, then Adamb, sorry but your seat in the "hot place" is booked.

Are you a MUFASSIR? That is one who is QUALIFIED to explain the MEANING OF THE QUR'AAN?

And all the garbage that you have come here with, what is your source that uses meaning INCONSISTENT with established ENGLISH TRANSLATED TEXT AND MEANING?

YOU ARE ONLY MISGUIDING YOURSELF!!

[Chimera]

i am a Mufassir.

this is one who muff dives right?

[DFC]

i doubt Adam has read anything at all except the koran

And i doubt he ever read out the whole Quran.

Are you an Arab , Adamb?

Quran [43:3] says- “We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand”.
This verse indicates that Allah sent down Quran for those, who understand Arabic. So, when Allah himself says that this book is for Arabs, then Adamb, sorry but your seat in the "hot place" is booked.

Are you a MUFASSIR? That is one who is QUALIFIED to explain the MEANING OF THE QUR'AAN?

And all the garbage that you have come here with, what is your source that uses meaning INCONSISTENT with established ENGLISH TRANSLATED TEXT AND MEANING?

YOU ARE ONLY MISGUIDING YOURSELF!!

I am not Mufasa.
I feel very honored to be compared to dSpike, although i am nowhere the level of wit he has.

I have a copy of the Quran with me. It's my father's copy that he got directly from Mecca.
Its very old, and i can even provide pics of it.
(Proof-something that you dont have)
The passages i have quoted are the exact translations that are in the book.
And yes i can read and understand very well.

Everything passage have quoted, came directly from the Quran. C'mon Adamb don't call it garbage, its blasphemy. I am glad you admit that the Quran is inconsistent.

Tell me, is my copy wrong? how can it be wrong? Quran is supposed to be perfect and faultless right?
So how can you say i'm misguided, its not my fault if your book is inconsistent.



You are giving us your Interpretation of the Quran and frankly you're not qualified. And non-qualified persons giving interpretations of the Quran is a direct violation of teaching of the Quran and the qualifications of a Mufassir and therefore, HELL.

You are no Mufassir !!


I can go on and on , rebutting everything you say and quote, its easy but i won't

It is a waste of time for anyone to debate you in this thread.


What is debate? Can Muslims debate?
Debate is a process of exchanging thoughts between two or more ideologies in order to reach closer to the truth in friendly manner. A truth seeker remains always in a state of debate within. Debate is nothing but to challenge an old ideology with new thoughts and if found necessary, the old stand is modified in order to face new challenges/questions that will further lead to rectification of our thoughts. And this process goes on and on. This is the basis of science and philosophy. Prerequisite of debate is nothing but to accept that I will modify my stand if needed. In other words, it is to accept that my current belief may not be perfect and I am ready to refine it.

But is this possible in Islam? No, because Islam is defined as the complete belief in Allah, Muhammad, heaven, hell, angels, judgment day, Quran etc. As soon as you question/disbelief/agree to accept that there may be imperfection in the concept of any of the above, you are no more a Muslim.
And unfortunately, any Muslim, if labeled as Non Muslim, propagates his new belief, is to be put to death!

So when it is proven that any Muslim (as per the definition of Quran) does not fulfill the prerequisite of debate, how can there be debate with him? Moreover, if someone ensures that he does not believe in killing of apostates, he automatically becomes apostate because of disbelief in Quran and Sunna duo. So in one case Jihadis can’t fulfill the condition for debate and in other case they no longer remain Muslims even before starting the debate.
There is no third case unluckily

Anyways...
Muslims believe that non believers will be in hell. They invite non-muslims to Islam saying that Quran is perfect and each of its word is to be believed as final truth in order to remain safe from hell. Now this claim of Muslims/Islam brings a responsibility on them and that is to PROVE EACH WORD OF QURAN AS FINAL TRUTH.So now can Muslims prove each word of Quran as final truth? If no, they have no right to curse me to hell or restrict me as per stupid unverifiable Shariyat.

You cannot prove every word of the Quran,since no Muslim can ever understand complete Quran .There are many verses in Quran that no one can understand, for example 2:1, 13:1, 29:1 etc.


Adamb, tell me your name and send me a picture. i'll come look for you down under.
It aint gonna be so bad down there, Muhammed himself said Hell is filled with mostly women.

We'll have a good time then.

[AdamB]

i doubt

[And i doubt.

AdamB can strike doubt within people.

Qur'aan Ch2:
21 O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allah), Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious - See V.2:2).

22 Who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do not set up rivals unto Allah (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).
23 And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'an) to Our slave (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful.

24 But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

(This is) the truth from your Lord. So be you not one of those who doubt.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #147)